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Re: In Dreamland? |
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Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:20:57 EDT |
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Something that has worked on an educational level that we might want to
consider would be similar to Williamsburg. It could incorporate intellectual
entertainment by having a theater where plays and opera are done.
A good microbrewery with as close to authentic ales could be made and Roman
food served. The ales could also be bottled and sold outside of our nation : )
Allowing the public to view our religious ceremonies, while a touchy subject,
has precedent in the Native American pueblos. Certain restrictions are placed
on the public, such as no picture taking.
As I work this idea out more it sounds like a 60's commune or an Israeli
kibbutz, with the added twist of an historical tourist attraction.
Tertia Libertania Regina
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| Subject: |
Modern Roman Fiction |
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TLRegina@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:06:55 EDT |
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Salve!
Of the current authors who write Historical Roman fiction (McCullough, Saylor,
Lindsey Davis, among others) who is the anyone's favorite?
Have you read any that you found totally unbelievable based on your knowledge
of Ancient Rome or some you find dead on?
I have both Saylor and McCullogh "on tap" - and read Davis (which I don't
recommend).
Tertia Libertania Regina
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Re: In Dreamland? |
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Dexippus@-------- |
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Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:14:52 EDT |
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In a message dated 98-08-20 13:22:13 EDT, you write:
<< A good microbrewery with as close to authentic ales could be made and Roman
food served. >>
Did the Romans drink ale? I don't know which is why I am asking. I thought
Wine was the only fermented drink known to the early Mediterraneans....
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: McCullough |
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TLRegina@-------- |
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Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:16:38 EDT |
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In a message dated 8/16/98 12:18:05 PM, you wrote:
<<
But take it as you find it: McCullough is obstinate on the fact that
Gaius Julius was *never* involved with guys. It was all a
misunderstanding and/or vicious Senate gossip, she says. >>
I find it hard to believe that Gaius Julius was not involved with guys
because according to "A History of Sexuality, Vol. 1-3 by Michel Foucault" it
was a very common thing to be involved with "boys". It was considered
perfectly fine for an older man to take a young "boy" under wind for tutelage
and love them.
The hitch to this whole thing was that the man was always supposed to
dominate and not submit. And the "boys" lost honor if they submitted. Now,
Gaius Julius may not have submitted - but chances are, IMHO, he "tutored" a
young "boy".
Tertia Libertania Regina
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| Subject: |
Re: Davis & Saylor |
| From: |
TLRegina@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:22:51 EDT |
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In a message dated 8/16/98 1:08:11 PM, you wrote:
<< Aside from this there is something that
makes me feel, and I mean "feel", that Falco is more true to his period
than Gordianus is to his--something of attitude, the smell of the
culture.>>
I have to say I do not like the Davis series because Falco comes off as a
cheap imitation of Raymond Chandler's Phillip Marlowe. Chandler wrote in the
1940's Noir style, much like Dashiell Hammett's "The Maltese Falcon".
Tertia Libertania Regina
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| Subject: |
Re: In Dreamland? |
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Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:21:54 EDT |
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In a message dated 98-08-20 14:17:32 EDT, you write:
<< Did the Romans drink ale? I don't know which is why I am asking. I
thought
Wine was the only fermented drink known to the early Mediterraneans....
>>
As far as I'm aware the Romans KNEW about ale... they just tended to think it
was crude and repulsive in comparison with wine. Of course, these brewing
places have facilities for wine-making just as they do ales!
Vale,
Cassius
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| Subject: |
In Dreamland? |
| From: |
TLRegina@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:07:47 EDT |
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In a message dated 8/20/98 12:23:16 PM, Cassius wrote:
<<As far as I'm aware the Romans KNEW about ale... they just tended to think
it
was crude and repulsive in comparison with wine. Of course, these brewing
places have facilities for wine-making just as they do ales!
>>
This is something I would have to look further into, I may be mixing cultures
again. I thought ales tended to be a morning drink, but it's mostly Celtic,
British. I just got back from touring Microbreweries on vacation and it was
the first thing that popped into my sleep deprived head.
So, we could have a vineyard and winery, too!
Tertia Libertania Regina
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| Subject: |
Re: In Dreamland? |
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"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:12:55 -0400 |
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> This is something I would have to look further into, I may be
> mixing cultures
> again. I thought ales tended to be a morning drink, but it's
> mostly Celtic,
> British. I just got back from touring Microbreweries on
> vacation and it was
> the first thing that popped into my sleep deprived head.
> So, we could have a vineyard and winery, too!
>
> Tertia Libertania Regina
Don't forget, the Egyptians had beer for thousands of years. It was
certainly known throughout the mediterranean world...
Germanicus
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| Subject: |
Re: In Dreamland? |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:30:03 -0400 |
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> From: TLRegin--------..
>
> Something that has worked on an educational level that
> we might want to
> consider would be similar to Williamsburg. It could
> incorporate intellectual
> entertainment by having a theater where plays and opera are done.
Personally, I really like the idea of a 'living history' facility based on
ancient Rome. I'd like to see it combined with an Institute of some sort,
maybe offering summer internships for classics/archaeology/history students.
I think that it'd be important not only to be a popular attraction, but to
also provide valuable to the world of academia.
> A good microbrewery with as close to authentic ales
> could be made and Roman
> food served. The ales could also be bottled and sold outside
> of our nation : )
Yeah, but is there a market for garum at Shoprite? ; )
> Allowing the public to view our religious ceremonies,
> while a touchy subject,
> has precedent in the Native American pueblos. Certain
> restrictions are placed
> on the public, such as no picture taking.
I think that's a splendid idea. I know we're going to be able to do some
"dry runs" at various reenactor events. To the viewing public, it's just a
reenacted religious ceremony.
> As I work this idea out more it sounds like a 60's
> commune or an Israeli
> kibbutz, with the added twist of an historical tourist attraction.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus
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| Subject: |
Re: The Akashic Record Site |
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Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:09:06 EDT |
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In a message dated 98-08-20 18:19:06 EDT, you write:
<<
Please feel free to repost this message to any other list
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Greetings,
Please pardon this if you see it on several lists.
I have maintained a link of pagan and occult resources on the net for a
while called "The Akashic Record" at <a href="http://www.hermetic.com/akashic.html" target="_top" >http://www.hermetic.com/akashic.html</a>.
This site has been somewhat out of date due to a lack of time to update the
pages constantly and the tedious nature of the process.
Recently, I set up <a href="http://www.neopagan.org" target="_top" >http://www.neopagan.org</a> and I decided it was time to
redesign and rebuild the Akashic Record. The first stages of that were
finished this morning. I have a new site up at
<a href="http://www.neopagan.org/akashic/" target="_top" >http://www.neopagan.org/akashic/</a>. Most of the links are still untransferred
to the new site but the new site allows users to submit links to it.
I would like to encourge people to go to the site and add any links that
they think are appropriate in the appropriate category or sub-category. I
want this to be a useful site for pagans and occultists.
If you think I'm missing a whole category (and I know I am), please e-mail
me and I will add it if it makes sense. This will allow the Akashic Record
to be a lot more dynamic and up to date. Please e-mail me with any other
suggestions as well.
LVX,
Al Billings
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| Subject: |
Re: In Dreamland? |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
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Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:35:17 -0700 |
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Salus et Fortuna Dexippus, Salve!
(Major snip, just to the words, mond you ;{0 )
> Wine was the only fermented drink known to the early Mediterraneans....
>
> --Dexippus
Pyment is an ancient Greek fermented beverage made of Grapes and Honey,
aka a form of Mead, which is the oldest form of fermented drink known to
man (by my research anyway). Man hunted for honey long before barley or
grapes were cultivated. The Nectar or Amrosia of the Gods is said to
have been a form of Mead, as was the Vedic era Indian sacral drink Soma.
That's my two sesterces worth.
Fare Well with the Holy Ones,
S. Ullerius
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| Subject: |
Re: trouble with novaroma.org? |
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Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:24:47 -0700 |
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Salus et Fortuna L. Sergius, Salve:
Same here, a few tries over two hours (tha last try a feww minutes ago).
I have the bulletin board book-marked and access there is okay.
The joys of the Internet Super-Highway, super potholes crop up
sometimes.
They don't build 'em like the Appian anymore.
Vale,
S. Ullerius
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| Subject: |
Re: Modern Roman Fiction |
| From: |
Asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:46:26 EDT |
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In a message dated 98-08-20 14:07:20 EDT, you write:
<< I have both Saylor and McCullogh "on tap" - and read Davis (which I don't
recommend).
>>
Salve!!
Taste do vary. I find Saylor and McCullogh to be dry and not very "human" I
feel Davis has better command of the basic human condition. We know that the
Ancients had slang and base sence of humor on very day matters. But to each
their own
Primia Anncina Olivia
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| Subject: |
Re: trouble with novaroma.org? |
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Ricci razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:59:14 -0700 |
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Yes. I was on it a bit. I saw msgs going on from me. But it was very
wierd. No marble background. No nothing.
Ericius
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| Subject: |
Re: McCullough |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:11:57 EDT |
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In a message dated 98-08-20 14:20:15 EDT, you write:
<< I find it hard to believe that Gaius Julius was not involved with guys
because according to "A History of Sexuality, Vol. 1-3 by Michel Foucault" it
was a very common thing to be involved with "boys". It was considered
perfectly fine for an older man to take a young "boy" under wind for tutelage
and love them. >>
There was a good episode on one of the History Channels on Sexuality in the
Ancient World. They clearly defined the social acceptance of homosexuality in
the Greco-Roman culture. In Greece, young boys were assigned to older men
from whom they would learn etiquette, culture, and other teachings. Part of
the teachings were sexual and how to perform sexually. This teaching was
taught to the young men, not by written word or verbal expression, but
"between the thighs" (draw your own conclusions). It was even a practice that
on a young man's wedding night (to a woman), the bride would first enter the
bed wearing a man's tunic and sandals. The man would then snuff the lamp and
climb into the dark bed with his new wife. This helped ease the man into his
"heterosexuality". There were some men who decided never to marry but instead
to continue as mentors to new young men. They were never ostericized for
doing so...it was just part of the culture and perfectly normal and
acceptable.
--Dexippus
<<time for a cold shower>>
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| Subject: |
Re: Modern Roman Fiction |
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Oplontian@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:14:44 EDT |
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Salvete,
The novels by Lindsey Davis are my favorites - fun and exciting, with a very
good (for the most part) historical background. Saylor's books are good also.
His "A Murder on the Appian Way" is a masterpiece. I haven't read McCullogh -
had the impression that her books fell into the "romance novel" genre.
Re the web site: I can't get in either.
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
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| Subject: |
Re: Modern Roman Fiction |
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"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:41:11 -0400 |
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-->Salvete,
>The novels by Lindsey Davis are my favorites - fun and exciting, with a
very
>good (for the most part) historical background. Saylor's books are good
also.
>His "A Murder on the Appian Way" is a masterpiece. I haven't read
McCullogh -
>had the impression that her books fell into the "romance novel" genre.
>Re the web site: I can't get in either.
>Valete,
>Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
>
Salvete
I too had a problem getting into the website but now it is working fine.
It did do something to our browser temporally (my wife is the wizard of the
'puter).
I have read all three series completely. Yes, Davis' books are more
"earthy", but Saylor's seem to be more interested in the "history".
McCullough's books are, to me, epic in feeling, as well as length :-) I
can't wait for her next one "October Horse" or something like that.
I enjoyed all three series and do recommend then all. BTW if any one is
interested you can order Davis' books that are not yet available in the US
from <a href="http://www.bookshop.co.uk" target="_top" >http://www.bookshop.co.uk</a> , I found this by surfing from our own Nova
Roma website!
Valete L Equitius Cincinnatus
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