| Subject: |
Pythiagram |
| From: |
Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:01:22 +0000 |
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Savete!
I have returned with my family, safe and sound, from Northern Ireland. I
just want to share something with you all. On Saturday, at 3;10 pm,
exactly one week after the terrible explosion in Omagh, every village
and town in Eire and Northern Ireland stopped to remember those who died
and were injured. In all the years I have been going there, I have never
been so touched. We gathered at the cross in the center of Hillsborough,
which is the war memorial in the center. Clergy from both the Protestant
churches and the Catholic priest said a few words and they read off the
names, and ages, as the bells rang. So many were children. Everyone was
dabbing their eyes, and it struck me that no one who wasn't there will
know about this part of the Irish experiance...because the cameras don't
roll at this sort of thing.
There was a definate feeling that everyone is uniting against this
violence, and even more committed now to a political solution.
I know this is off topic on Nova Roma, but I really wanted to share this
with you. I am thankful to all those who remembered my family, and I
would ask you all to pray for Pax in Ireland.
Pythia
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| Subject: |
Re: McCullough |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:54:18 EDT |
|
In a message dated 98-08-22 17:20:34 EDT, you write:
<< No, amice, I didn't aim that at anyone actually. It's just a way of
saying
that I'm ready for any differences in "research" or plain differences of
opinion.
I would like to hear other people' thoughts on the topic. >>
Ah...I see...well, that's good 'cause I didn't feel an apologetic tone was
necessary...and coming from you...ha ha ha!
I have seen numerous sources state that homosexual encounters were common and
numerous and others that state not so much in the Roman world as opposed to
the Greek. My take on the matter is that it probably was common and
acceptable so long as it (or any love for that matter) didn't interfere with
one's role as a citizen or public servant.
Perhaps I am romanticizing it, but hey...a girl can dream, eh?
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Pythiagram |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:59:09 EDT |
|
Pythia,
I don't think it's off-topic...if it's of interest to one Nova Roman, it's of
interest to all.
PAX IN IRELAND AND THE WORLD!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Pythiagram |
| From: |
Ricci razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:51:15 -0700 |
|
pythia wrote:
>
> From: pythia kingan@--------
>
> Savete!
>
> I have returned with my family, safe and sound, from Northern Ireland. I
> just want to share something with you all. On Saturday, at 3;10 pm,
> exactly one week after the terrible explosion in Omagh, every village
> and town in Eire and Northern Ireland stopped to remember those who died
> and were injured. In all the years I have been going there, I have never
> been so touched. We gathered at the cross in the center of Hillsborough,
> which is the war memorial in the center. Clergy from both the Protestant
> churches and the Catholic priest said a few words and they read off the
> names, and ages, as the bells rang. So many were children. Everyone was
> dabbing their eyes, and it struck me that no one who wasn't there will
> know about this part of the Irish experiance...because the cameras don't
> roll at this sort of thing.
>
> There was a definate feeling that everyone is uniting against this
> violence, and even more committed now to a political solution.
>
> I know this is off topic on Nova Roma, but I really wanted to share this
> with you. I am thankful to all those who remembered my family, and I
> would ask you all to pray for Pax in Ireland.
>
> Pythia
>
Thank you for telling me about this, Pythia.
Ericius
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| Subject: |
Re: August 24 |
| From: |
Oplontian@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:48:25 EDT |
|
Salvete,
Does anyone remember the dire events that have happened on this day in the
past ?
It was on August 24 that Mount Vesuvius erupted in 832 A.U.C. (79 ce), causing
widespread devastation. It was on August 24 in 1163 A.U.C. (410 ce) that a
Gothic army captured the city of Rome, subjecting it to three days of pillage,
rape, and arson. I am not trying to depress anyone by dredging up the tragic
events of the past, but neither should those events be forgotten. Some day,
many years from now, if the pontifs decide to add any new holy days to the
sacred calendar, today would be a good candidate for some sort of official
observance. Just a thought.
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
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| Subject: |
Re: McCullough |
| From: |
Ricci razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:17:23 -0700 |
|
Dexippus@-------- wrote:>
>
> I have seen numerous sources state that homosexual encounters were common and
> numerous and others that state not so much in the Roman world as opposed to
> the Greek. My take on the matter is that it probably was common and
> acceptable so long as it (or any love for that matter) didn't interfere with
> one's role as a citizen or public servant.
>
> Perhaps I am romanticizing it, but hey...a girl can dream, eh?
>
> --Dexippus
>
Total agreement on "so long as it (or any love for that matter)
didn't interfere with one's role as a citizen or public servant."
But they did fall in love. All those tombstones speaking of
"loving..." spouse for umpteen years, etc. One author says that
this might just have been formulaic. So? The inscribtions didn't
say anything about "profitable business partner", they talked about
loving partner. I've been insanely, stupid-headed, in love [ain't it
wunnerful Dex?],
and I wasn't good for damn much else. The ideal of the sober, restrained
Roman
citizen is itself somethng that leads us astray from the reality of
the humans. That Ideal would not get so ga-ga over a superstar
gladiator or charioteer. The Ideal would not get deeply in debt from
gambling on the games and races. Edepol! The Ideal shouldn't get into
debt at all over frivilous things. But we know that our Roman
forebears did these things, and more. Catullus did fall insanely
in love with his Lesbia. Clodia, that Lesbia, spread her favors around
far more than was called for by a calculating seductress and political
intriguer. (She liked doing it, a lot.) Caesar might actually have
loved Cleopatra.
That golden statue in the temple of Venus Genetrix was not necessary for
his schemes. (And an old man being fawned over by an eighteen year old
darling was probably as susceptible to Cupid then as now.)
Cleopatra did not have any reason to have M. Antonius brought to
her after Octavian won Alexandria. And why did she ask that they be
buried together?
Sounds like love to me. Antonius? If he wasn't in love with that woman,
then I'm a tatooed Arapaho wearing a Campbell kilt!!!
Gee. Looking at the length of this someone might think I like
writing about people in love.
Valete
C. Aelius Ericius
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| Subject: |
Re: August 24 |
| From: |
Ricci razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:26:43 -0700 |
|
Oplonti--------... wrote:
>
> From: Oplonti--------...
>
> Salvete,
> Does anyone remember the dire events that have happened on this day in the
> past ?
> It was on August 24 that Mount Vesuvius erupted in 832 A.U.C. (79 ce), causing
> widespread devastation. It was on August 24 in 1163 A.U.C. (410 ce) that a
> Gothic army captured the city of Rome, subjecting it to three days of pillage,
> rape, and arson. I am not trying to depress anyone by dredging up the tragic
> events of the past, but neither should those events be forgotten. Some day,
> many years from now, if the pontifs decide to add any new holy days to the
> sacred calendar, today would be a good candidate for some sort of official
> observance. Just a thought.
> Valete,
> Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
>
On this day nineteen years ago I hosted a barbarian Hibernian style
wake to honor these events, and the ouster of Romulus Augustulus.
And IX Kal. Sept. [24 August] is also one of the days when the
Mundus was opened.
More soberly, Poppaeus Sabinus, I was think along the lines of someday
this day being noted by Nova Roma.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
(who is also a Pontiff)
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| Subject: |
Re: August 24 |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:41:57 -0400 |
|
>Some day,
>many years from now, if the pontifs decide to add any new holy days to the
>sacred calendar, today would be a good candidate for some sort of official
>observance. Just a thought.
>Valete,Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
Salvete
Perhaps, not too many years from now, we (NovaRoma) should offer
sacrifice on this date. The college pontificis will need to research this,
as to which dieties and what would be acceptable. This is one reason for
Nova Roma the return of Pax Deorum.
Valete L Equitius Cincinnatus
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| Subject: |
Re: Pythiagram |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:50:16 -0400 |
|
Salvete et Ave Pythia familiaque
>
>I have returned with my family, safe and sound, from Northern Ireland. I
>just want to share something with you all.
Glad you made it back.
>...because the cameras don't roll at this sort of thing.
>
And that is too bad because if people saw the suffering they might want to
see something done about terrorist.
>There was a definate feeling that everyone is uniting against this
>violence, and even more committed now to a political solution.
>
Good, Let us pray for peace.
>I know this is off topic on Nova Roma, but I really wanted to share this
>with you. I am thankful to all those who remembered my family, and I
>would ask you all to pray for Pax in Ireland.
>Pythia
>
Not off topic at all. This is what we are working for the return of Pax
Deorum.
Valete L Equitius Cincinnatus
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| Subject: |
Collegium Pontificum Delay |
| From: |
"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" germanicus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:04:26 -0400 |
|
Salve!
I just wanted to let those of you who have been appointed to the Collegium
Pontificum, and those of you who have matters pending before it, know that
there is a delay in setting up the Pontifices' message board. I think the
service we use is just swamped with requests. As soon as it's up and
running, the Pontifices can get started with the business at hand. I'm
expecting that to be sometime this week. Apologies for the delay.
Vale,
Flavius Vedius Germanicus
"The Roman Republic is Reborn!"
Nova Roma
Post Office Box 1688
Morristown, NJ 07962
www.novaroma.org
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| Subject: |
Re: McCullough |
| From: |
"Patrick Dunn" saevvs@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:14:15 PDT |
|
>I have seen numerous sources state that homosexual encounters were
common and
>numerous and others that state not so much in the Roman world as
opposed to
>the Greek. My take on the matter is that it probably was common and
>acceptable so long as it (or any love for that matter) didn't interfere
with
>one's role as a citizen or public servant.
>
>Perhaps I am romanticizing it, but hey...a girl can dream, eh?
>
>--Dexippus
I'm baaaack! Sorry about that drop off the face of the planet there;
moving to a new university and the email's been hellish. But I'm up and
running now, more or less.
Anyway, about this -- I was reading Catallus last night (love the dude)
and there was more than one poem about homosexuality. Some ridiculed it
-- most did, in fact, but then, he was a satirist. But it existed, and
was real.
--M. Gladius Saevus
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| Subject: |
Re: August 24 |
| From: |
"StormBorn" stormborn@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:23:21 -0700 |
|
Quintus wrote:
>Does anyone remember the dire events that have happened on this day in the
>past ?
>It was on August 24 that Mount Vesuvius erupted in 832 A.U.C. (79
>ce), causing
>widespread devastation. It was on August 24 in 1163 A.U.C. (410 ce) that a
>Gothic army captured the city of Rome, subjecting it to three days
>of pillage,
>rape, and arson.
OK, this is probably way OT, but it's a case of weird synchronicity . . .
I'm involved in Forever Knight fandom, and it's customary to write a fanfic
story or poem on August 24th in tribute to the character Lucien LaCroix--a
vampire who was "brought across" on August 24, 79 CE. Most of what's
dropped to our fiction list so far has been humorous, but I wanted to write
something different. I didn't know that Rome was sacked by the Goths on
this day in 410 CE, so now I have an idea brewing . . .
No fire without ash, they say.
Valete,
Honoria Lucia
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| Subject: |
Re: Pythiagram |
| From: |
"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:20:04 -0700 (PDT) |
|
This is to you really Pythia.
I watched the ceremony, well being in Britain it's big news.
I just wanted to say, I know exactly what you mean by the cameras not
being able to capture the tears and the atmosphere.
I live very near to Manchester, in fact a couple of people from
Manchester were at the ceremony in Ireland, and I remember the
atmosphere and feeling.
The biggest thing that came out of the disaster was that it brought
everyone together. That is still evident today, 2yrs and 2months later.
Here in Manchester we still have the not-giving-up feeling. We're
still re-building our city and I think we shall be for a long time to
come!
I hope that the people of Omagh, both Catholic and Protestant can come
together to help each other as we did and call for an end of terrorism.
Peace for Ireland is in my prayers as it has been allways!
Augustina Iulia Caesaria
---pythia kingan@-------- wrot--------r>
>
> From: pythia kingan@--------
>
> Savete!
>
> I have returned with my family, safe and sound, from Northern
Ireland. I
> just want to share something with you all. On Saturday, at 3;10 pm,
> exactly one week after the terrible explosion in Omagh, every village
> and town in Eire and Northern Ireland stopped to remember those who
died
> and were injured. In all the years I have been going there, I have
never
> been so touched. We gathered at the cross in the center of
Hillsborough,
> which is the war memorial in the center. Clergy from both the
Protestant
> churches and the Catholic priest said a few words and they read off
the
> names, and ages, as the bells rang. So many were children. Everyone
was
> dabbing their eyes, and it struck me that no one who wasn't there will
> know about this part of the Irish experiance...because the cameras
don't
> roll at this sort of thing.
>
> There was a definate feeling that everyone is uniting against this
> violence, and even more committed now to a political solution.
>
> I know this is off topic on Nova Roma, but I really wanted to share
this
> with you. I am thankful to all those who remembered my family, and I
> would ask you all to pray for Pax in Ireland.
>
> Pythia
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
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| Subject: |
Re: Pythiagram |
| From: |
"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:46:27 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Pythia, this is really for you.
I watched the ceremony, well being in Britain it's main news.
I know what you mean about the tears and the cameras not catching the
atmosphere. I live very close to Manchester, in fact a couple of
people from Manchester were at the ceremony in Ireland.
I remeber the atmosphere of the place. But also, the great
togetherness it brought. This sense of not giving up and of pulling
together is still evident 2yrs, 2months later!
Lots of the business and commercial rivals helped each other immensley
and some companies/stores are still occupying parts of other
companies/stores premises.
I think that although this was a great disaster, it has helped to pull
the community toghether and I hope it will in Omagh.
Augustina Iulia Caesaria
---pythia kingan@-------- wrot--------r>
>
> From: pythia kingan@--------
>
> Savete!
>
> I have returned with my family, safe and sound, from Northern
Ireland. I
> just want to share something with you all. On Saturday, at 3;10 pm,
> exactly one week after the terrible explosion in Omagh, every village
> and town in Eire and Northern Ireland stopped to remember those who
died
> and were injured. In all the years I have been going there, I have
never
> been so touched. We gathered at the cross in the center of
Hillsborough,
> which is the war memorial in the center. Clergy from both the
Protestant
> churches and the Catholic priest said a few words and they read off
the
> names, and ages, as the bells rang. So many were children. Everyone
was
> dabbing their eyes, and it struck me that no one who wasn't there will
> know about this part of the Irish experiance...because the cameras
don't
> roll at this sort of thing.
>
> There was a definate feeling that everyone is uniting against this
> violence, and even more committed now to a political solution.
>
> I know this is off topic on Nova Roma, but I really wanted to share
this
> with you. I am thankful to all those who remembered my family, and I
> would ask you all to pray for Pax in Ireland.
>
> Pythia
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
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