Subject:	Flyer
From:	michael marconi mdm8@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:07:06 -0400

Salvete-- ALL

It is just over a week since I became a citizen of Nova Roma. During
this time I thought of various ways of bringing in new citizens to Nova
Roma. To my surprise I found a flyer via. Nova Roma web page. It (flyer)
told , in summery, what Nova Roma is and what her long term goals
are--QUITE impressive-- and ready for distribution. All that needs to be
done to obtain this flyer is go to Nova Roma web page and click on
literature for distribution and there it is. In one weeks time I was
able to print , copy and pass out 60+ flyers with relative ease. Most of
these went to my local University's history and classic departments.

If all of us would just pass out 10+ flyers a week; at the end of
this year we could double our citizenship. Hey, it is worth a try!
Spending hours of speaking latin in the chat is fine, for it does have a
purpose, but this not a good way to increase our citizenship. Give it a
try-for your God, family and Nova Roma.

FORTUNA FORIBUS FAVET
Vale
Lucius Marconius Romanus

Subject:	questions?
From:	michael marconi mdm8@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:01:44 -0400

Salve ALL


Can a new citizen of Nova Roma be both a priest and a soldier ? My
interest are in with both professions. It is hard for me to choose just
one, but if I must choose only one - I will choose to be a priest.

I see a need for a strong centralized religion, in Nova Roma.
Religion unifies people and drives in them a strong desire to behave
accordingly to their God(s) beliefs. I would do my best as a priest,
serving Ianus, if given a chance.

The more I study , as a student majoring in classical
civilizations, the greater my desire to build a society based on the
virtues of ancient Rome and of Nova Roma. As a new citizen I 'm not sure
how and when individuals are elected . Can anyone lend me some useful
advice?


Fortuna Fortibus Favet.

Vale

Lucius Marconius Romanus

Subject:	Re: New Senatorial Appointment! :)
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:02:17 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-10 23:53:34 EDT, you write:

<< Thanks Dexippus. Too bad you never come to the chat room. Maybe you
should try again sometime, it is much more interesting than earlier, there
are more citizens now. >>

Yes...as of late, mundane concerns have been keeping me away from Market Days
and when I do sign on, I usually have just enough time to check e-mail (all 85
messages!). But alas, you will all be hearing more from me...see ya in the
chat room!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Roman Army
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:52:25 +0100

Salvete omnes!

Well, the unification of roman units looks difficult. Nevertheless, we could
make some concessions. For example we could allow each unit to choose its
patron deity. If some choose Mithras, why not letting others choose the
Nazarene and use the XPI anagram in the shields?
It would not be unlike the situation that was lived at the time of the
Constantine Emperors (of course except the army organization that had
already been changed by Diocletian)...

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)


-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Troy dean6886@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 11:09 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Roman Army


From: dean6886@-------- (Dean Troy)

Salve,

Well, it seems to me that you have some very valid points
as far as the difficulty in bringing various reenactor groups into the
fold.
Obviously some Christian members or what have you may have an objection
with joining Nova Roma for endorsing paganism or just people enjoying
their independence and going about their business as usual.
We should make every effort to make the initial invitation to them,
as you are also correct in saying most of them probably don't have a
clue that we exist. If not an entire reenacter group, there are to be
certain individuals somewhere within those groups that would probably
really enjoy participating in Nova Roma.
I also think that maybe we should list ourselves with more search
engines and get on banner exchange programs whenever feasible. Many of
us are here just because we were lucky enough to punch the right word
into the right search engine looking for something else initially where
we also saw a link with Nova Roma and got sidetracked.. As in business
location is everything (even more so for the web).
Then there are also so many pagan websights with generic ads from
all walks of life. If we used exactly the same wording and format as our
flyers, that may be good places to advertise what we are in a
nonobtrusive manner. I think though everything we do should be
preapproved- what is advertised on the web and where.- Sounds like a job
for a Censor. This would keep some of our more industrious citizens from
advertising potentially on websights that Nova Roma as a whole may not
wish to be connected with- such as a controvertial political websight.
I'm sure there are countless people who would love to belong and
interact with the rest of us, if they only knew we existed.
Anyone reading this have any thoughts?

Gaius Drusus Domitianus


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Subject:	Chat tonight
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:10:07 -0400 (EDT)

Just a reminder, the next Market Day chat is tonight (Friday, Sept. 11).
Alas, Cassius and I won't be there till late if at all- we'd previously
committed to attend a ritual.

Patricia Cassia

Subject:	Re: web site
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:10:12 -0400 (EDT)

>When I first joined, I downloaded the calendar and split it into separate
>months -- making it much more convenient to use. You might consider
>putting each month on a separate page so that one doesn't have to wait
>for the entire year to load just to look at some particular month.

Brilliant, L. Sergius! I had already intended to do just that. Thanks!

P. Cassia

Subject:	Books about the roman army...
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:37:42 +0100

Please, tell me something about the following books. I'm trying to find
books that are centered on battlefield tactics of the late Republic and
Imperial Roman Army (early and late):

-The Roman Imperial Army : Of the First and Second Centuries A.D. : 3rd
Edition, Graham Webster, Hugh Elton (Introduction) / Paperback / Published
1998

- The Late Roman Army, Pat Southern, Karen Ramsey Dixon / Hardcover /
Published 1996

- The Making of the Roman Army : From Republic to Empire ~ Ships in 2-3
days, Lawrence Keppie, Lawrence Keepie / Paperback / Published 1998

- Others...

Anyone know something about the late roman anonymous book:
"De rebus militaris"?

Subject:	Re: Books about the roman army...
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:55:12 +0100

Salve!

Wrong... Not "De rebus militaris", but "De rebus bellicis".

Anyone know about any edition of the "Notitia Dignitatum"?

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

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From: Antonio M. R. C. Grilo <amg>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 1:35 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Books about the roman army...


>From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>
>Please, tell me something about the following books. I'm trying to find
>books that are centered on battlefield tactics of the late Republic and
>Imperial Roman Army (early and late):
>
>-The Roman Imperial Army : Of the First and Second Centuries A.D. : 3rd
>Edition, Graham Webster, Hugh Elton (Introduction) / Paperback / Published
>1998
>
>- The Late Roman Army, Pat Southern, Karen Ramsey Dixon / Hardcover /
>Published 1996
>
>- The Making of the Roman Army : From Republic to Empire ~ Ships in 2-3
>days, Lawrence Keppie, Lawrence Keepie / Paperback / Published 1998
>
>- Others...
>
>Anyone know something about the late roman anonymous book:
>"De rebus militaris"?
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:01:40 -0400

>
>> > >Salvete omnes!
>> >
>> > >Would it be a good idea to keep a bust of every Consul of Nova Roma
>>>>in the Website?
>> >
>>>It would be a shame if his many contributions to Nova Roma were
>>>forgotten as everything progresses.
>> >Valete, Marcus Cassius Julianus,Consul
>>
>> .Salvete
>> Yes, I agree completely. As well, all Consuls should have thier
>> Picture, Name and Dates of office.
>> Valete L Equitius Cincinnatus
>>
>Sounds like a corporate annual report. Are we going to deify them, too?
>We could use a couple of neat temples.....
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
>
Salvete et ave
So, aside from the sarcasm do you disagree with the idea of having a
"hall" on the site? Since we don't have anywhere to put statues, let alone
temples, I like this idea.
Vale Cincinnatus

Subject:	Web coding and site work
From:	"Manius Viaus Greco" greco@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:04:16 -0700

Salvete, cives.

I would be willing to contribute what I can for the web
site, both in design and possible maintenance. Let me know
what areas you need help in.

My main focus is on development for Internet Explorer (it's
got the best support of the document object model and CSS
right now) and don't do a lot of cross-platform work, but if
you're willing to do without some of the more flashy DHTML
and style effects that shouldn't be a problem. Everything
that I code I run through the w3c's validator service to
insure adherence to standards.

If you'd like to see a portfolio of my work to date (my
personal sites and my first client's one) please contact me
privately. I design primarily for counterculture groups and
some of the content may end up being offensive to the list
at large. Hence I will not give the links here.

Valete,
Manius Viaus Greco
greco@--------

[ business ]

Stygian Blacksmith Studios
stygian@--------

P.S.: Please note that I will be out of town and unable to
access my email until Monday night.
&#137;

Subject:	Re: Books about the roman army...
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:54:19 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-11 08:53:06 EDT, you write:

<< Anyone know about any edition of the "Notitia Dignitatum"? >>
To Antonius Gryllus Graecus Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam
Salve
There is an attempt to get it reprinted, but the cost is going to be 120.00 US
I've been told.
The first 20 rows of shield designs, with color info are availiable in
Osprey's Men at Arms series
"Romano-Byzantine Armies 4-9th Cent."
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus
Roman military historian

Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:57:52 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-11 11:02:25 EDT, you write:

<< Salvete et ave
So, aside from the sarcasm do you disagree with the idea of having a
"hall" on the site? Since we don't have anywhere to put statues, let alone
temples, I like this idea.
Vale Cincinnatus >>
Salve

Perhaps 3d rendering would be the way to go here.
There are programs to draw in 3d availiable to the public.
Vale
QFM

Subject:	Re: New Senatorial Appointment! :)
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:13:47 -0400

>From: R-------- razenna@--------
>
>Ave Senator!
>
>And again I'll offer you my congratulations.
>I have a feeling I'll be congratulating you for a number of things in
>the future.
>
>Caius Aelius Ericius


Salve et Salvete cives
G Aelius,Thank you for the kind sentiments. This has been an
interesting week to say the least. With the new school year starting
everyone's schedule is effected. Things will come back to normal, they
always do! The changes within Nova Roma will be felt for a time, but we all
are going to work together and continue to expand the republic.
"They are able because they think they are able." Vergil
I hope to "see" more cives in the Forum tonight and every Market Day.
Valete L Equitius Cincinnatus

Subject:	Re: questions?
From:	NovaRomaNH@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:40:26 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-11 12:28:51 EDT, Lucius Marconius Romanus writes:

> Can a new citizen of Nova Roma be both a priest and a soldier ? My
interest are in with both professions. It is hard for me to choose just
one, but if I must choose only one - I will choose to be a priest.

There's no reason whatever that you can't be active with the reenactor
legions, and also hold a priesthood within Nova Roma if you're qualified.
We're certainly not going to limit the areas a person can have an interest in!
Please also remember that Priesthood is not the only way to be involved in
Religio Romana. Not everyone was a priest or priestess in ancient times
either! ;)

> I see a need for a strong centralized religion, in Nova Roma.
Religion unifies people and drives in them a strong desire to behave
accordingly to their God(s) beliefs. I would do my best as a priest,
serving Ianus, if given a chance.

Nova Roma certainly is committed to the practice and restoration of Religio
Romana. In addition to that, as always, our goal is also the preservation of
Classical history, knowledge, and culture.

> The more I study , as a student majoring in classical
civilizations, the greater my desire to build a society based on the
virtues of ancient Rome and of Nova Roma. As a new citizen I 'm not sure
how and when individuals are elected . Can anyone lend me some useful
advice?

The Pontificial College is responsible for creating Priesthoods within Nova
Roma, so you would need to apply directly to them. This can be done by Email
through the website... go to the "Religio Romana" section, and then click on
"Priesthoods". You may have to send your application to each of the Pontiffs
individually - I couldn't get the "group email" function to work. (That will
be corrected once the site has been moved onto the new server!)

The Pontificial College is still in it's own organizational process, so all
priesthood applications will take some time. Please do be patient!

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul


Fortuna Fortibus Favet.

Vale

Subject:	Re: Books about the roman army...
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:39:23 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-11 08:35:24 EDT, you write:

<< From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------

>>Please, tell me something about the following books. I'm trying to find
books that are centered on battlefield tactics of the late Republic and
Imperial Roman Army (early and late):

-The Roman Imperial Army : Of the First and Second Centuries A.D. : 3rd
Edition, Graham Webster, Hugh Elton (Introduction) / Paperback / Published
1998<<
I have the hardback but I presume nothing has changed
Webster covers the officer class, and grunts in the Roman Imperial Army.
Recruitment, training, daily life, religion, society, retirement.
But not very good for Battlefield tactics and Roman Strategy.

>>- The Late Roman Army, Pat Southern, Karen Ramsey ,
Dixon / Hardcover / Published 1996<<
This is more of a primer on the Late Roman Army using the latest findings
from
digs, and coin interpetation. There is short section on the history of the
late army, mostly lifted from Jones, and several discussions on Roman armor
construction. Its the "cutting edge" on the latest arch. finds that deal with
the Late army.

>>- The Making of the Roman Army : From Republic to Empire ~ Ships in 2-3
days, Lawrence Keppie, Lawrence Keepie / Paperback / Published 1998
>>
Keppie traces the the development of the Legio from Servian to Octavian,
trying to use the latest research to back up his findings. Sometimes dry, and
sometimes misleading.

Books you missed.
"Training Roman Cavalry Excerpts from Arrian's Ars Tactica."
Ann Hyland,
Grange Books, London 1993.
Olympian Equesteran Hyland analyses all the Roman cavalry manoueveres in
detail, charging, changing formation, skirmishing based on Arrian's writing,
then attempts to recreate them, using the German historian Delbruck's
approach, I.E. do it today with modern horse and riders. The conclusions she
arrives at are most enlightening.

If you want to deal with secondary sources about the battefield tactics of the
Roman Army "Warfare in the Ancient World". (Hackett,) and "Warfare in the
Classical World" (Warry) are essentual.
I cordially disagree with their concept of battlefield relief, but the many
diagrams are helpful.
Connelly's "Greece & Rome" while dated, has his great artwork.
I presume you have the older secondary works on the Roman Army:
Addcock, Parker, Jones, Luttwak, et al?
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus
Roman military historian.

Subject:	Re: questions?
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:12:59 -0400

Salve ALL Use Salvete when talking to more than one (plural imperative)

Can a new citizen of Nova Roma be both a priest and a soldier ?

I am trying to do both myself. I don't see any reason why not.

My interest are in with both professions. It is hard for me to choose just one, but if I must choose only one - I will choose to be a priest.

. Can anyone lend me some useful advice?

Read the constitution and see for yourself what is possible. I don't mean to be sarcastic, but it seems to me that we have had instances where people joined Nova Roma and then quit because they did not seem to understand what we stand for. I advise everyone to read the entire website and do some reading (books, check the bookstore in the Macellum for different subjects, also I have sent a list of books to the Aquila [eagle] for publication).


Vale use Valete when addressing more than one person.

Lucius Marconius Romanus

Valete et vale Lucius

Cincinnatus

Subject:	Re: Books about the roman army...
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:28:52 +0100

Salve Fabius Maximus!

Well, I've Arrian's Taktika.

>Roman Army "Warfare in the Ancient World". (Hackett,) and "Warfare in the
>Classical World" (Warry) are essentual.
>I cordially disagree with their concept of battlefield relief, but the many
>diagrams are helpful.

Well, could you tell me what is their concept (and yours) of battlefield
relief?

Vale!


-----Original Message-----
From: SFP55@-------- SFP55@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 5:47 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Books about the roman army...


>From: SFP55@--------
>
>In a message dated 98-09-11 08:35:24 EDT, you write:
>
><< From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>
> >>Please, tell me something about the following books. I'm trying to find
> books that are centered on battlefield tactics of the late Republic and
> Imperial Roman Army (early and late):
>
>-The Roman Imperial Army : Of the First and Second Centuries A.D. : 3rd
> Edition, Graham Webster, Hugh Elton (Introduction) / Paperback / Published
> 1998<<
>I have the hardback but I presume nothing has changed
>Webster covers the officer class, and grunts in the Roman Imperial Army.
>Recruitment, training, daily life, religion, society, retirement.
>But not very good for Battlefield tactics and Roman Strategy.
>
>>>- The Late Roman Army, Pat Southern, Karen Ramsey ,
>Dixon / Hardcover / Published 1996<<
> This is more of a primer on the Late Roman Army using the latest findings
>from
>digs, and coin interpetation. There is short section on the history of the
>late army, mostly lifted from Jones, and several discussions on Roman armor
>construction. Its the "cutting edge" on the latest arch. finds that deal
with
>the Late army.
>
> >>- The Making of the Roman Army : From Republic to Empire ~ Ships in 2-3
> days, Lawrence Keppie, Lawrence Keepie / Paperback / Published 1998
> >>
>Keppie traces the the development of the Legio from Servian to Octavian,
>trying to use the latest research to back up his findings. Sometimes dry,
and
>sometimes misleading.
>
>Books you missed.
>"Training Roman Cavalry Excerpts from Arrian's Ars Tactica."
>Ann Hyland,
>Grange Books, London 1993.
>Olympian Equesteran Hyland analyses all the Roman cavalry manoueveres in
>detail, charging, changing formation, skirmishing based on Arrian's
writing,
>then attempts to recreate them, using the German historian Delbruck's
>approach, I.E. do it today with modern horse and riders. The conclusions
she
>arrives at are most enlightening.
>
>If you want to deal with secondary sources about the battefield tactics of
the
>Roman Army "Warfare in the Ancient World". (Hackett,) and "Warfare in the
>Classical World" (Warry) are essentual.
>I cordially disagree with their concept of battlefield relief, but the many
>diagrams are helpful.
>Connelly's "Greece & Rome" while dated, has his great artwork.
>I presume you have the older secondary works on the Roman Army:
>Addcock, Parker, Jones, Luttwak, et al?
>Vale
>Q. Fabius Maximus
>Roman military historian.
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:26:56 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 Nov------------------------ wrote:

> From: Nov------------------------
>
> In a message dated 98-09-10 05:55:52 EDT, Antonius Gryllus Graecus writes:
>
> >Salvete omnes!
>
> >Would it be a good idea to keep a bust of every Consul of Nova Roma in the
> Website?
>
>
> While I'd hate to reduce the overall artistic quality of the site with yet
> another photo of me, I *am* hoping that we'll be able to add a tasteful
> tribute to Germanicus once the site has been transferred completely. It would
> be a shame if his many contributions to Nova Roma were forgotten as everything
> progresses.


Well said Marcus Cassius! I think such a tribute would be quite fitting.
Nova Roma would not have been possible without him and we should recognize
this fact. He is sorely missed but he will not be forgotten.


Decius Iunius Palladius

Senator, Praetor Urbanus

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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca


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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: questions?
From:	"Jack Porter" poeticfiend@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:34:33 PDT

If you ever find out please notify me I have also been interested in
Janus.


Gauis Triumphius Cicero

Subject:	Re: Roman Army
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:45:03 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete, omnes...

I feel strongly that the best way to approach the religious angle with
the reenactors is *not* to approach it at all. Invite them to join;
offer the commander of the unit a military tribunate, devoid of any
religious functions; let these prospective members, like any others,
make a thorough exploration of the Web site and other documents and
make up their own minds.

In answering queries, stress the individual's right to practice
privately whatever faith he or she has attached him/herself to. Yes,
Nova Roma is a pagan-revivalist organization, but not *only* that. It
is, above all, a *cultural* revival we are seeking, and the Religio
Romana is part of that. We don't want to lose the rest of it because
of an undue emphasis on religious differences--an ever-present danger
for us, judging by some of the mail-list wars I have already witnessed.

I say this because many, if not most, reenactors I've corresponded with
do not take their Legion activity quite so nearly to heart as we Nova
Romans take our Citizenships. They take it seriously, yes; they strive
for authenticity; there is much discussion of minute details of armor,
weaponry, and other equipment, not to mention drill maneuvers and the
timing of the pilum throw in the midst of the charge. But there is not
that gut-level, kindred-spirit *connection* with Rome as an experience.
The object of the thing is to show the audiences how a Legion was
supposed to look and function. They are not trying to *be* Romans in
any cognitive sense, nor are they trying to make Romans out of anyone
else.

Most groups' presentations maintain a third-person approach: "Hi,
we're the members of Legion So-and-So, we're dressed as Roman soldiers
of the mid-1st Century AD, and back then they used to..." This sort of
detachment is a far cry from the deep spiritual connection felt by Nova
Romans to the City, its ancient inhabitants and their way of life. (By
way of comparison, my/Lucius' patter usually goes more like this:
"Ave! It is I, Lucius Marius Fimbria, First Century, Third Maniple,
Fourth Cohort of the Sixth Legion Victrix! Myself and my tentmates
have been detached to this Province so that we may demonstrate the
might of Rome and the discipline of Her Legions to all the inhabitants
of this pleasant land. Surely this isn't all of you...?" [wry grin,
as he wonders why Rome didn't take this puny hamlet a long time ago!])

There may be many members of Legions who *are* looking for a little
more, who don't just want to 'look bitchen' (as one fellow put it), who
want not just to seem, but to BE. We may be able to pick up such of
these as may be found. It's worth a shot. But it's important to keep
in mind that the corporate culture (so to speak) of the reenactor
community owes a lot more to wargamers and history buffs than to
seekers and mystics.

The expressed, active desire to connect meaningfully with my Roman
heritage is a lot of what drew me to Nova Roma. I was not getting it
anywhere else. That should tell you something.
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Märia Villarroel legion6@--------
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!

aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends

Post scriptum: On places to advertise (this inspired by the suggestion
about search engines)...Besides Pagan movements and the reenactor
Legions, other possible recruiting-pools might include educational
people and organizations such as Latin teachers and their classes,
classics associations and the like (as well as any Web sites belonging
to same). I first heard of Nova Roma on the Latin-L and ROMARCH
mailing-lists!

Subject:	Re: Roman Army
From:
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:29:08 -0400

>Salvete, omnes...
>
>I feel strongly that the best way to approach the religious angle with
>the reenactors is *not* to approach it at all.
>make a thorough exploration of the Web site and other documents and
>make up their own minds.
>
>In answering queries, stress the individual's right to practice
>privately whatever faith he or she has attached him/herself to. .
>
This seems to be often misunderstood!

>I say this because many, if not most, reenactors I've corresponded with
>do not take their Legion activity quite so nearly to heart as we Nova
>Romans take our Citizenships. They are not trying to *be* Romans in
>any cognitive sense, nor are they trying to make Romans out of anyone
>else.


Well, I don't want to Make anyone Roman if they aren't one already inside.

>There may be many members of Legions who *are* looking for a little
>more, who don't just want to 'look bitchen' (as one fellow put it), who
>want not just to seem, but to BE.

This is where we need to get exposure.

>aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
>
>Post scriptum: On places to advertise other possible recruiting-pools
>might include educational
>people and organizations such as Latin teachers and their classes,
>classics associations and the like (as well as any Web sites belonging
>to same). I first heard of Nova Roma on the Latin-L and ROMARCH
>mailing-lists!


Salvete
This is a great proposal. I agree with L Maria Fimbra there is
alot to digest, let us go forward 'Festina Lente'.
Valete L Equitius

Subject:	Re: Chat tonight
From:
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:20:22 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-11 06:44:48 EDT, you write:

<< Just a reminder, the next Market Day chat is tonight (Friday, Sept. 11). >>

I may be there...or I may be at the Italian Festival handing out Nova Roma
flyers.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: questions?
From:	Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:17:47 -0700

michael marconi wrote:

> So please, stop throwing stones at me, I'm doing my best, we all make
> mistakes--- even the best Romans.

Dear Marconius,

I don't think Cicinnatus meant to be short with you. Its been a rough
week here in Nova Roma, and there have been some unneccesary
misunderstandings in the past. So hang in there, we're really a very
personable bunch.

Best,
Pythia

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Subject:	Re: Roman Army
From:	"Stuart Willia--------swillia--------...
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:35:33 +0100

Salvete, Omnes!

Again, a few of my opinions - take on board or discard them as you will!

1. I feel that despite the potential problems you cannot hide the religious
angle from re-enactors - you must be honest and lay your cards on the table
in any such relationship. However, it should be shown as simply one aspect
of the work of Nova Roma - albeit an important part. And there will be
those who find the Religio Romana attractive if the option is available.

2. Offering the group leaders a tribunate and cross-publicity is not likely
to be seen as a major incentive, at least in the early days of Nova Roma.
You must have some solid incentives set up, and make sure they are available
in all countries where you are hoping to recruit legions.

The incentives might include making directly available items relevant to the
Religio Romana (ie decent statuary etc) at good discounts, as these things
are often hard to find, and whether the re-enactors are believers or not,
they often need to prtray this aspect of Roman life (indeed, this becomes
especially relevant to groups such as my own Legio XIIII GMV in Britannia,
which has a ladies group portraying Roman domestic life, culture and
religion).

Writing and making available booklets on the authentic religious practices
of ancient Rome, with practical rituals, might also be of interest to those
seeking to re-enact such things authentically as part of their 'living
history' work. This might help spread the Religio Romana within groups by
'osmosis' of course...

Enabling Praetors to organise public events in which legions might
participate - on a profit-sharing basis - would also be met with some
interest, I believe, and would build relationships and influence - apart
from pulling groups together. Dare I suggest that even small-scale
financial sponsorship of legions might be considered if funds could be
raised - after all, the legions always looked first to Rome when they were
paid well... :-) Indeed, perhaps you could get the Rome tourist board to
sponsor a gathering there for Roman re-enactment groups, with Nova Roma as
joint organisers. Fancy walking through the Forum Romanum with a full
century of authentic legionaries, friends?

3. Legions should be approached directly by the Praetors for their area or
country; this personal and up-front approach should be supported by a decent
quality hard copy information pack giving full details of Nova Roma and the
benefits to affiliates and individual members. This will be far more
effective than simply asking re-enactors to examine the web site which,
though excellent, will be available to a minority of re-enactors.

4. On the pagan front - you need to become more well-known and integrated
with the international pagan community. Get together with groups such as
the Pagan Federation in Britannia, a group that actively seeks to promote
all pagan paths of good-will. They are seen as broadly representing the
pagan community here, and have a professional magazine - Pagan Dawn - which
welcomes articles on all aspects of paganism and is distributed in 'new age'
and similar shops nationwide. An ideal forum for promoting a revival in the
Religio Romana. You will find the PF at: <a href="http://www.paganfed.demon.co.uk/" target="_top" >http://www.paganfed.demon.co.uk/</a>
Even as I write they have included a new article on Hellenic Paganism on
their web site!

Incidentally, being able to 'be' a legionary - even to be on guard duty - on
the walls of a recreated Roman fort (on the site of the original fort!) is a
remarkable experience. As the sky turns a dark blue and a hush begins to
cover the land, you look towards the setting sun and see smoke rising on the
horizon... Is that a factory or house in the distance? No, it's the
barbarians torching another village just over the horizon. And you are all
that is between the Empire and a dark age of anarchy. I tell you, it sends
shivers down your spine - and it makes you proud to be a Roman!

Valete!

Marcus Valerius Secundus
Legio XIIII GMV
Vexillatio near Letocetum
Britannia

Subject:	Re: Roman Army
From:	dean6886@-------- (Dean Troy)
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:24:16 -0500 (CDT)

After reading the last post by Marcus Valerius Secundus, it
occurred to me that a lot of citizens here are coming up with some very
good ideas, but for one reason or another the idea is infeasible, can't
be implemented at this time, or something else is going on where Nova
Roma gets sidetracked, along with any other possibilities.
Though this is going to happen, maybe it would be a good idea to
keep new ideas stored away in some sort of filing system that could
periodically be reviewed by members of the Senate. A sort of backlog. In
this way as circumstances change, this would aid the Senate in the
choices made based upon current Nova Roma resources and needs.
Once a suggestion is put out there and killed by the rejection of
silence it becomes increasingly unlikely that the citizen will wish to
throw out the same idea onto the floor even in a more opportune time.
such a file could be considered a Nova Roma national resource since what
is more valuable than the expression of constructively creative ideas
from its citizens.
Now would someone in the Senate like to endorse this idea? Would
this fall under the administrative duties of a Quaestor?
One more thing, I hope that at least some of Marcus Valerius'
suggestions are considered.


Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: Roman Army
From:
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:52:09 -0400

Salvete Omnes


From: dean6886@-------- (Dean Troy)
Though this is going to happen, maybe it would be a good idea to
keep new ideas stored away in some sort of filing system that could
periodically be reviewed by members of the Senate. A sort of backlog.

I have been keeping a file of interesting emails in a binder for some time.

Once a suggestion is put out there and killed by the rejection of
silence it becomes increasingly unlikely that the citizen will wish to
throw out the same idea onto the floor even in a more opportune time.


True enough.

Now would someone in the Senate like to endorse this idea?

Sure, I do keep ideas in mind and in my binder. Keep in mind your other
words, some things are not feasible. At this time we are working on othe
things like finding a new Consul, getting the College Pontificis going and
getting the website transfered. Plus, some of us have families and jobs.
'Festina Lente'.

One more thing, I hope that at least some of Marcus Valerius'
suggestions are considered.

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Valete L Equitius

Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:08:12 EDT

Salvete,
I like the idea of a "hall" on the site with pictures of the consuls - but why
limit this to consuls ? We don't have that many officials - it ought to be
possible to have an illustration (photo or drawing) of each of our fearless
leaders on site. The leaders and officials of ancient Rome were not afraid to
show themselves to the people - just look at all those Roman portrait statues
and busts that litter the European landscape from Britain to Egypt. If such a
"hall" is established on the website then I think that it should also be
published in hard copy form at the end of the year. If this sounds like a
corporate annual report, just remember that such reports are very useful in
defining the focus and identity of an organization. For Nova Roma, I suggest
this:
1. A page or two on the website showing current officials, and important past
officials, with a little bit of relevant data about each.
2. A printed version at the end of the year, showing the officials of the past
year.
This could be done without having to be expensive. This is probably not a
high priority project, but I think it should be considered. It might also be
a useful guide to tracking people's progress through the Cursus Honorum
through the years.
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus

Subject:	Re: Roman Army
From:	R-------- razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:00:44 -0700

legion6@-------- wrote:
> ---
> __________ _<~) __________
> <-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Märia Villarroel legion6@--------
> <-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
> <-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
> o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
> ///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
>
> aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
>
>< Post scriptum: On places to advertise (this inspired by the suggestion
>< about search engines)...Besides Pagan movements and the reenactor
>< Legions, other possible recruiting-pools might include educational
>< people and organizations such as Latin teachers and their classes,
>< classics associations and the like (as well as any Web sites belonging
>< to same). I first heard of Nova Roma on the Latin-L and ROMARCH
>< mailing-lists!

I did a mailing for Nova Roma a little while ago. It started with a
llist of
"New Age" bbokstores that Consul Germanicus sent me. I Expanded it with
local
Bookstores that I knew got the right "sort" of clentele, and might be
willing
to put up the flyers. I then Looked up my almamater on the web, they
have a
* Classical Students Association * that starts its web page with
"Salve".
I sent them some flyers. If I ever make it out to the campus I might
see if one
is still allowed to put flyers on bulletin boards. I started to search
other
campuses on the web looking for prospective targets. These more
thoughts of
places to try. The down side is that there does not seem to have been
anyone
who has come in as a result of my hitting just under 70 places. The
other day I saw a red blimp and strated to wonder...

Vale
Ericius

Subject:	Re: web site
From:	"Mar-------- Santux" santux@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:56:21 -0300

Magnus H. Santux, Salvete.

I have some web skills.

Valete.

-----Mensagem original-----
De: p-------- p--------@--------
Para: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Data: Quinta-feira, 10 de Setembro de 1998 17:09
Assunto: [novaroma] web site


>From: p-------- p--------@--------
>
>As some of you may know, Germanicus appointed me keeper of the Nova Roma
>web site upon his resignation. I'm qualified for the job in some ways - I'm
>a professional Web developer in my "other" life - but my knowledge of
>ancient Rome is somewhat rudimentary as yet. (Hanging around Cassius has
>greatly improved it!)
>
>Of course I cannot do this alone, and in the coming weeks I'll be actively
>soliciting volunteers to help with various aspects of the site. If you have
>a special area of knowledge (such as Lucius Marius Fimbrius' knowledge of
>Roman re-enactment groups), please consider lending a little of your time
>to help get good information out to others. If you have Web skills, I also
>want to hear from you.
>
>Also, if anyone is interested in learning Web work, there are some areas of
>the site that need a small overhaul - not to rip up Germanicus' work, but
>to hone it and adjust to new circumstances. I would happily do some
>tutoring in exchange for getting some of the grunt-work done!
>
>Among other things, we're moving the site from a server with FrontPage
>extensions to one without them. (Cassius has generously offered to pay for
>this, although this shouldn't stop you from donating toward this if you
>feel so inclined.) The move should be complete within a couple of days,
>and you'll notice a few slight revisions on the main page, aimed at making
>the most popular areas of the site more easily accessible.
>
>Of course I'll be relying heavily on the ideas and suggestions of this most
>excellent group! Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:	m--------oon@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:27:20 -0400

Lucius wrote:
>

> >>
> >Sounds like a corporate annual report. Are we going to deify them, too?
> >We could use a couple of neat temples.....
> >
> >-- Flavia Claudia
> >
> Salvete et ave
> So, aside from the sarcasm do you disagree with the idea of having a
> "hall" on the site? Since we don't have anywhere to put statues, let alone
> temples, I like this idea.
> Vale Cincinnatus

Oh....okay. But I think my way was more spectacular.

Claudia

Subject:	Re: Books about the roman army...
From:	"mic-------- cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:47:21 PDT

>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Books about the roman army...
>
>From: SFP55@--------
>
>In a message dated 98-09-11 08:35:24 EDT, you write:
>
<muhc good stuff snipped>
>
>Books you missed.
>"Training Roman Cavalry Excerpts from Arrian's Ars Tactica."
>Ann Hyland,
>Grange Books, London 1993.
>Olympian Equesteran Hyland analyses all the Roman cavalry manoueveres
>in detail, charging, changing formation, skirmishing based on >Arrian's
writing, then attempts to recreate them, using the German >historian
Delbruck's approach, I.E. do it today with modern horse and >riders.
The conclusions she arrives at are most enlightening.
>
>>
You wouldn't happen to know where an actual copy of 'Ars Tactica'
could be had, would you? I can't seem to locate one, for love or
money.....

G. Marius Asiaticus
>>
>
>
>Vale
>Q. Fabius Maximus
>Roman military historian.
>
>

Subject:	Re: Books about the roman army...
From:	"mic-------- cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
Date:	Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:57:04 PDT

>From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Books about the roman army...
>
>From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>
>Salve Fabius Maximus!
>
>Well, I've Arrian's Taktika.
>
>
>>
Salve, amicus!

<pantitng and drooling, trying to contain myself> Where did you get
your copy? If it's out of print, can you make a copy for me? I'm sure we
could agree on a price.......

Vale,

G. Marius Asiaticus
>>
>
>