Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:	michael marconi mdm8@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:42:54 -0400

Ira Adams wrote:

> From: Ira Adams iadams@--------
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > HOLD the bust!!!! Are we daydreaming or am I going insane? The
> >idea
> >of creating a bust can wait till Nova Roma is more established. We are
> >placing
> >the cart before the horse. First, lets get a homeland, to build this
> >micronation,
> >and then worry about the BUST.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >Lucius Marconius Romanus
>
> Actually, you seem a bit confused about what is going on here. (I have no
> idea whether you are insane or not. :-) ) Nobody is looking for a
> "homeland," whatever that might be. This micronation exists in
> "cyberspace"

Maybe, you read the fourth paragraph from 'Declaratio Nova Roma' wrong.
The concept of a micronation is more than setting in front of a computer and
living in "cyberspace." Obtaining land for a micronation is a fact!! Well,
I see no need to throw stones at each other--for both of us are probably doing
our best -as all citizens should.
Fortuna fortibus favet.
Vale
L. Marconius Romanus

> as a community of like-minded (to _some_ extent, anyway)
> individuals, and it is that community that we need to be building. Part
> of the matter of any nation or community is its history. Thus it is
> perfectly appropriate for us to begin an archive of those who have served
> Nova Roma. This is an essential part of building our Mos Maiorum.
>
> I agree with Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus, that we should have a "hall" of
> photos of current magistrates. After all, the vast majority of citizens
> never meet face-to-face, and it would be nice to have a visual notion of
> the people we are talking, debating, and discussing with.
>
> There should also be an archive of photos of previous magistrates, by
> year. It wouldn't be hard to put the pictures of all the magistrates for
> the year into one composite picture, like a page from a yearbook, so that
> clicking on the year would pull up that composite image.
>
> For this year, it would be a pretty small image. In future years, as more
> offices are filled, we might need to separate it out into more than one
> composite.
>
> Vale,
>
> L. Sergius Aust.
>
> certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
>
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Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:	michael marconi mdm8@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:48:17 -0400

Ira Adams wrote:

> From: Ira Adams iadams@--------
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > HOLD the bust!!!! Are we daydreaming or am I going
> insane? The
> >idea
> >of creating a bust can wait till Nova Roma is more established. We
> are
> >placing
> >the cart before the horse. First, lets get a homeland, to build this
> >micronation,
> >and then worry about the BUST.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >Lucius Marconius Romanus
>
> Actually, you seem a bit confused about what is going on here. (I have
> no
> idea whether you are insane or not. :-) ) Nobody is looking for a
> "homeland," whatever that might be. This micronation exists in
> "cyberspace"

Maybe, you read the fourth paragraph from 'Declaratio Nova Roma'
wrong. The concept of a micronation is more than setting in front of a
computer and living in "cyberspace." Obtaining land for a micronation
is a fact!! Well, I see no need to throw stones at each other--for
both of us are probably doing our best -as all citizens should.
Fortuna fortibus favet.
Vale
L. Marconius Romanus

> as a community of like-minded (to _some_ extent, anyway)
> individuals, and it is that community that we need to be building.
> Part
> of the matter of any nation or community is its history. Thus it is
> perfectly appropriate for us to begin an archive of those who have
> served
> Nova Roma. This is an essential part of building our Mos Maiorum.
>
> I agree with Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus, that we should have a "hall" of
>
> photos of current magistrates. After all, the vast majority of
> citizens
> never meet face-to-face, and it would be nice to have a visual notion
> of
> the people we are talking, debating, and discussing with.
>
> There should also be an archive of photos of previous magistrates, by
> year. It wouldn't be hard to put the pictures of all the magistrates
> for
> the year into one composite picture, like a page from a yearbook, so
> that
> clicking on the year would pull up that composite image.
>
> For this year, it would be a pretty small image. In future years, as
> more
> offices are filled, we might need to separate it out into more than
> one
> composite.
>
> Vale,
>
> L. Sergius Aust.
>
> certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
>
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Subject:	Re: Roman Army
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 02:15:07 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete, omnes...

...and bouncing our good Valerius Secundus' ideas around as requested!

>1. I feel that despite the potential problems you cannot hide the
>religious angle from re-enactors - you must be honest and lay your
>cards on the table in any such relationship.

No one is talking about *hiding* the religious angle or anything else.
What I am saying is that we mustn't *push* it in the faces of people
who, by and large, do not come to Nova Roma looking to change their
belief systems. We do lay our cards on the table: The flyers and the
Web site say all about NR's religious leanings that really needs to be
said to a newcomer. Anyone who wants to explore that aspect of the
cultural revival will have the means at hand to do so. Anyone who does
not should not be confronted with it around every corner. In-your-face
Paganism can be just as obnoxious as in-your-face Christianity; that
the former is more rare does not make it any more pleasant or any less
an invasion of one's spiritual and intellectual 'space'.

On to lighter stuff!
>Fancy walking through the Forum Romanum with a full century of
>authentic legionaries, friends?

Ooo, yes! But I am immediately brought up short by the fact that the
ancients themselves never let an armed Legion inside the City, a
tradition only violated by Civil War-lords, Dictator wannabees, and the
(generally resented) Praetorian Guard. Rather, the victorius army was
encamped om the Campus Martius (at least one reason why the area was so
named) until they had undergone a lustrum or purification ritual to
cleanse them of the destruction they'd caused, and basically revert
them (in a sacred sense) from being soldiers to being Citizens again.
Only then would they be allowed back inside the pomoerium for the
triumph, clad in tunics (no armor or weapons) and carrying long poles
bedecked with garlands to sub in for their spears.

>3. Legions should be approached directly by the Praetors for their
>area or country; this personal and up-front approach should be
>supported by a decent quality hard copy information pack giving full
>details of Nova Roma and the benefits to affiliates and individual
>members. This will be far more effective than simply asking
>re-enactors to examine the web site which, though excellent, will be
>available to a minority of re-enactors.

I couldn't agree more on this one. I was in fact approached by my
Praetor before anyone else, which was as it should be; but since
gaining the Citizenship I have had to grab my information from wherever
I can. Granted that Nova Roma only just got off the ground this year,
so a lot of detail work needs to be done on intro packets and such (I
still need to sample the Eagle before rendering a final opinion), but
we have *got* to regularize the communication process so that anyone
who does not have 'Net access--or who is even away from the computer
for a week or two--will not feel and be so hopelessly out-of-it! I
would feel better about doing a huge recruitment effort if I knew Nova
Roma could take care of the people we've got.

>Incidentally, being able to 'be' a legionary - even to be on guard
>duty - on the walls of a recreated Roman fort (on the site of the
>original fort!) is a remarkable experience.

And one that I'd give my eyeteeth for. Valerius Secundus and other
European reenactors are a very lucky bunch of guys. The opportunity to
do things at original Roman sites is not something we Yanks get very
often, as you might imagine! We make do as best we can, and
sometimes...just sometimes...we surrender to the role and get that same
little shiver. I call it "mainlining the ancestor-spirits", and I live
for it. Don't know how many others feel the same...it is more common,
I think, among SCAdians and live-action roleplayers than among living
historians.

And that is probably enough of me for today!
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<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!

aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends

Subject:	Re: Summer Sojourn
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:27:29 -0400 (EDT)

>it's good to be back! I'm the lady who presented
>the "Roman Wisdom" series. Not much wisdom right now,
>but maybe later. :-)

Welcome back, Leonina Beatrix! Right now we're in a state of flux -
Germanicus resigned abruptly last week, leaving us minus one of our
founders and consuls. However, it's made a lot of us realize that Nova Roma
meant something to us, and Cassius has been able to find many people to
help him hold the organization together.

Patricia Cassia

Subject:	Re: Summer Sojourn
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:15:26 -0400

>
>Hello Fellow Romans,
>
>I've been offline much of the summer--a combination of
>holidays, a computer crash, and acquiring slowly a new
>computer system.
>If so, it's good to be back! I'm the lady who presented
>the "Roman Wisdom" series. Not much wisdom right now,
>but maybe later. :-)
>
>Regards,
>--Leonina Beatrix


Salve
Welcome Back! The chat room is fairly busy almost every night these
days, drop by and meet some of the new cives.
Vale L Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus

Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:00:20 -0400

Salvete Quirites

>I like the idea of a "hall" on the site with pictures of the consuls - but
why
>limit this to consuls?

As Nove Roma expands and the years go by this could be a bit much if we
have a picture of every Magistrate who ever served.


For Nova Roma, I suggest this:
>1. A page or two on the website showing current officials, and important
>past officials, with a little bit of relevant data about each.

Yes, this is good. I think that the consuls for each year is
important because this is how the years were named in Republican times." The
year when so and so was consul..."


>2. A printed version at the end of the year, showing the officials of the
past
>year.

This could be included in the year end Aquila (the eagle).

>This could be done without having to be expensive. This is probably not a
>high priority project, but I think it should be considered. It might also
be
>a useful guide to tracking people's progress through the Cursus Honorum
>through the years.
>Valete, Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus


These are good suggestions, I agree. Anyone else?
Valete L Equitius Cincinnatus

Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:31:56 -0400

Salvete Cives

>I think it would be good to have pictures of all Nova Roma officials in a
>virtual 'hall'; however, I would extend this principle further and suggest
>the creation of a 'Hall of Citizens' also, where low resolution pictures of
>all Nova Roma citizens could be placed, and from these pictures could be
>made links to personal web sites with family trees if they have them.
>
Ah! this is a nice Idea! Especially the Family tree.

>This way, all would be known to all, and a greater bond between citizens
>created. If there is insufficient space on the Nova Roma site, such a
>'Hall' could be created on an extension of the site placed on free web
space
>such as that provided by Xoom. I would be prepared to volunteer to create
>such a 'Hall of the Citizens' if my help in this wise would be welcomed, as
>I have some small expertise in this area.
>
OH! I like this even more, a volunteer!

>The onus would be on the individual citizens to provide scans of no larger
>than 320x240 of their head and shoulders, ideally in jpeg format.
>
>Marcus Valerius Secundus
>Prospective Citizen

So what is the hold up? Submit your application already!

>Legio XIIII GMV Domitores Britannorum
>Near Letocetum, Britannia


Vale ac Valete L Equitius Cincinnatus Praetor Urbanus

Subject:	First Delphic Hymn
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:52:11 +0100

Salvete!


This hymn to Apollo, god both of the Delphic Oracle and of music, was found
inscribed on a stone at Delphi. The text is marked with a form of music
notation which makes it one of the earliest pieces of music to have survived
in the western world. We have no way of determining exactly how the piece
would have been performed, but recordings have been made which may convey
something of the sound of the work. One version is available on the album
"Music of Ancient Greece," Orata ORANGM 2013 (track 3), and another on
"Musique de la Grhce Antique" Harmonia Mundi (France) HMA 1901015 (track 3).


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Oh, come now, Muses, (1)
and go to the craggy sacred place
upon the far-seen, twin-peaked Parnassus, (2)
celebrated and dear to us, Pierian maidens. (3)
Repose on the snow-clad mountain top;
celebrate the Pythian Lord (4)
with the goldensword, Phoebus,
whom Latona bore unassisted (5)
on the Delian rock (6) surrounded by silvery olives,
the luxuriant plant
which the Goddess Pallas (7)
long ago brought forth.
Translated by Richard Hooker



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(1) The muses were the goddesses of the arts, the word "music" comes from
their name.
(2) Mount Parnassus was the site of the temple of the Oracle of Apollo at
Delphi, the most sacred spot in Greece.

(3) The muses were also associated with a place called Pieria near Mount
Olympus; but another explanation of the reference is that they were said to
be the nine daughters of one Pierus.

(4) Apollo. His priestess was called the Pythia, after a legendary snake
that Apollo had killed in laying claim to the shrine.

(5) There are many different accounts of how Apollo's mother wandered the
earth looking for a safe place in which to bear her child.

(6) The island of Delos.

(7) Athena. Note how the Athenian poet, even while praising the chief god of
Delphi manages to bring in by a loose association the chief goddess of
Athens.


Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Subject:	Lucius Apuleius (c. 155 AD) prays to Isis
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:55:07 +0100

Salvete again!

You can find this prayer at
<a href="http://eserver.org/books/apuleius/bookes/eleven.html" target="_top" >http://eserver.org/books/apuleius/bookes/eleven.html</a>

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Subject:	Locus Paganus Mirabilis
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:44:49 +0100

Salvete!

With the enthusiasm I forgot to tell the site:
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2938/basrit.html" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2938/basrit.html</a>

Vale!

Subject:	Mirabilis Locus Paganus
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:42:16 +0100

Salvete omnes!!

I've found a VERY interesting Near-Eastern pagan site on the Web. All from
the Phoenician/Carthaginian Baal to Aphrodite and Hekate. Worth reading. And
it even describes the rites and equipment.

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Subject:	About Olympian Gods, with some (greek) prayers
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:24:30 +0100

<a href="http://198.248.56.50/~jjackson/oly.html" target="_top" >http://198.248.56.50/~jjackson/oly.html</a>

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus

Subject:	Mithraism sites....
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:28:56 +0100

<a href="http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/" target="_top" >http://members.aol.com/Cassius622/</a>
<a href="http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/tarsus.htm" target="_top" >http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/tarsus.htm</a>

These are great:
<a href="http://www.bioch.ox.ac.uk/~payam/mithra/" target="_top" >http://www.bioch.ox.ac.uk/~payam/mithra/</a>
<a href="http://www.well.com/user/davidu/mithras.html" target="_top" >http://www.well.com/user/davidu/mithras.html</a>

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Subject:	Re: The means and the ends.
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:29:22 -0400

Salvete omnes!

I must agree with Lucius Sulla. The idea of phisical existence for Nova Roma - and above all the reborn of the Religio Romana - is somewhat long term.
Vale!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

These are long term goals to be sure, but there is no better time than the presant than to start realizing these goals.


Ok everyone, lets just calm down a bit. THe long term objective of Nova Roma is to actually exist physically. However, that is a long term objective, and not one that will happen anytime soon. Becuase, we will never be able to reach any substantial goal without financial contributions.

This is why we should support the vendors in the Macellum! As a small start to be sure, But the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Lets not concentrate on the ends, yet. But on the means to the ends. We dont want to upset any citizen on issues that at this time are completly irrelevant.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla, Quaestor
What came first the Chicken or the Egg? The Egg of Course!

No, these are not irreletant issues if citizens want to discuss them, However; some of these become somewhat personal and then should be conducted via personal email.

Ira Adams wrote: Hello,
>
> HOLD the bust!!!! Are we daydreaming or >am I going insane? The idea of creating a bust can wait till Nova Roma is more established.
> Thanks
>Lucius Marconius Romanus

from 'Declaratio Nova Roma' wrong. Obtaining land for a micronation is a fact Fortuna fortibus favet.
Vale
L. Marconius Romanus
Part of the matter of any nation or community is its history. Thus it is
perfectly appropriate for us to begin an archive of those who have served
Nova Roma. This is an essential part of building our Mos Maiorum.
I agree with Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus, that we should have a "hall" of
photos of current magistrates <snip>of previous magistrates, by year. L. Sergius Aust.

Yes, quite so!

Valete L Equitius

Subject:	In memory of Hypatia of Alexandria, a martir of the Religio Romana
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:34:05 +0100

<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ma/signoftheharp/list.html" target="_top" >http://www.angelfire.com/ma/signoftheharp/list.html</a>

She is surely standing by Apollo in the Parnasus. Glory to her name.


Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:36:04 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Lucius wrote:

> From: "Lucius" v--------l@--------
>
> Salvete Quirites

> For Nova Roma, I suggest this:
> >1. A page or two on the website showing current officials, and important
> >past officials, with a little bit of relevant data about each.
>
> Yes, this is good. I think that the consuls for each year is
> important because this is how the years were named in Republican times." The
> year when so and so was consul..."

Actually, I believe this tradition was kept up under the empire. The
Consul didn't have much power anymore but it was still an honor to hold
the position because of the naming factor.


Palladius


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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca


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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: In memory of Hypatia of Alexandria, a martir of the Religio Romana
From:	pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:13:18 -0400

Antonio M. R. C. Grilo wrote:

> From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>
> <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ma/signoftheharp/list.html" target="_top" >http://www.angelfire.com/ma/signoftheharp/list.html</a>
>
> She is surely standing by Apollo in the Parnasus. Glory to her name.
>
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> (Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Thank-you, Graecus, for sending everyone a link to my site! Did you know
that I am a citizen of Nova Roma?

All the best, Pythia

--
_______________________________________________________________________
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Subject:	Re: In memory of Hypatia of Alexandria, a martir of the Religio Romana
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:31:05 +0100

Salve Pythia!

I didn't know you were a citizen.
You're site is great! You really deserve to be called a Roman.

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)




-----Original Message-----
From: pythia kingan@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 6:01 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: In memory of Hypatia of Alexandria, a martir of the
Religio Romana


>From: pythia kingan@--------
>
>
>
>Antonio M. R. C. Grilo wrote:
>
>> From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>>
>> <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ma/signoftheharp/list.html" target="_top" >http://www.angelfire.com/ma/signoftheharp/list.html</a>
>>
>> She is surely standing by Apollo in the Parnasus. Glory to her name.
>>
>> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>> (Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
>
>Thank-you, Graecus, for sending everyone a link to my site! Did you know
>that I am a citizen of Nova Roma?
>
>All the best, Pythia
>
>--
>_______________________________________________________________________
>the Studio at the Sign Of The Harp:
>
>Beautuful and Unique Jewelry inspired by the Ancient World.
><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ma/signoftheharp/jewelry.html" target="_top" >http://www.angelfire.com/ma/signoftheharp/jewelry.html</a>
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>
>
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Subject:	Re: Busts of Nova Roman Consuls.
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:09:50 -0400

.


>From: "D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Lucius wrote:
>> From: "Lucius" v--------l@--------
>> Salvete Quirites
>> For Nova Roma, I suggest this:
>> >1. A page or two on the website showing current officials, and important
>> >past officials, with a little bit of relevant data about each.
>>
>> Yes, this is good. I think that the consuls for each year is
>> important because this is how the years were named in Republican times."
The
>> year when so and so was consul..."
>
>Actually, I believe this tradition was kept up under the empire. The
>Consul didn't have much power anymore but it was still an honor to hold
>the position because of the naming factor.
>Palladius

I got this from various sources including the Oxford Classical Dictionary.
CIncinnatus

Subject:	Vinegar.......
From:	"michael cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:54:47 PDT

Salve, omnes!

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I remember a
reference, from years ago, stating that the Legion's added vinegar to
their water supplies. I have since lost the reference, but, does anyone
know of the purposes, aside from 'purification', and what amounts of
vinegar were added to water?

Vale,

Gnaeus Marius Asiaticus

Subject:	Fowarded Warning for Parents
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:12:50 -0500

I received this from my Pagan Parenting list and it sparked enough
interest in me to forward it to you all. It is off the usual NR
path....sorry.

Vale!!!!! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@--------
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Merry Meet!

The following is a forward that the Cauldron has received concerning a
possible child predator in the online pagan community. Parents, and all
Wiccans/Pagans, please be aware of this, and pass this on to anyone you
believe might be interested!!

Bright Blessings,

Shakti

--------------------

This is a warning to all of you out there, especially young girls and/or
their
parents. There is a person named Faelan (or you may have heard him
posting as
his parents, Sarah and Jonathan) posting to Wicca, New Age and related
sites.
He claims to be an eleven year old child with "open-minded parents". He
is
running a "sweetheart contest" in which the "winner" (an approximately
eleven
year old girl) gets to go on a trip around the world in the year 2000. He
also
posts as his parents on pagan parenting sites, saying "Our son is a young
romantic, and we give our children the freedom to enter into all positive
human relationships for which they are ready. All parents with eligible
daughters are encouraged to look at this site." This is fishy enough, but
Akasha Ap Emrys from the Celtic Connection did a little background check
and
found that there have been no Aragorns in the entire
Portland area for the past five years. (Faelan claims that his last name
is
Aragorn, and that he lives in Aragorn.)
A look up of the PO Box and it's zip code revealed that it is in a
hole-in-
the-wall, un-manned sub-station, in a rather interesting Mall, located in
an
area called Eastport, in Portland, Oregon. Akasha's father, who is on
staff at
the Oregon Health Sciences University, in Portland, and who has worked as
a
school psychologist in both Portland, Oregon and western Washington,
where
this child was supposedly born, says he recalls no clinical psychologist
in
either state with the last name of Aragorn, or the man who is in the
picture
at their site. Akasha is reporting this person to the Post Master, at the
central Post Office in Portland, with our concerns of a predator
situation. I
am sure he is not aware of the motive of the use of PO Box, and I would
rather
doubt that he is as "open-minded" as this party would like.
You don't need to take action such as recording the site to be used as
evidence later, or reporting this to the police. All I ask is that you
post
this wherever you know this person could be lurking especially to pagan
sites.
This is the down-side of having an open-minded, accepting community.
Undesireables can shake everything up. However, being as close-knit as we
are,
we can help to nip this thing in the bud.
PLEASE FORWARD OR PARAPHRASE THIS AND SEND IT OUT TO AS MANY CHAT ROOMS,
BBS'S
FORUMS, ETC. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE NEED TO GET RID OF THIS INFLUENCE

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:59:32 -0400

michael cessna wrote:
>
> From: "mic-------- cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
>
> Salve, omnes!
>
> I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I remember a
> reference, from years ago, stating that the Legion's added vinegar to
> their water supplies. I have since lost the reference, but, does anyone
> know of the purposes, aside from 'purification', and what amounts of
> vinegar were added to water?
>
I don't know the proportions, but vinegar is a stimulant. It can restore
mental and physical alertness. Sort of like a mild smelling salts.

An interesting sidenote is that crucified victims were often offered a
sponge soaked in vinegar to keep them from dying too quickly.

Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Summer Sojourn
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:16:22 -0700

Welcome back, Beatrix. You'll find out a few other things have changed,
but Nova Roma is still here and the chats are wtill in the taverna at
6:00 California time. I am sure that I am not the only one who has
missed you. To repeat myself, Welcome back.

Vale.

C. Aelius Ericius
Praetor ad Californiam Provinciam

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	Asseri@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:39:08 EDT

Salve
Ohh I can answere this one. The vineger of ancient time was more like wine
than it is today. The grapes and the art of vinting was far less a sure thing
than today. So common wine tended to be a lot more like wine vinegar than we
would ever consider.
Vinegar is a good source of vitamin C and trace minerals and salts. It acts a
little like "gater-aid" when added to water.It also keep that water from
seeming stale.
there is a great persian Vinegar drink that I make for the sca that always
strikes me as a roman drink.
If you like I will post my recipe!

A. Olivia

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:47:51 -0700

Post it! Please.

Ericius (drinker of vinegar)

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:55:05 -0400

>
>Salve
>Ohh I can answere this one. The vineger of ancient time was more like wine
>than it is today. >Vinegar is a good source of vitamin C and trace minerals
and salts. It acts a
>little like "gater-aid" when added to water.It also keep that water from
>seeming stale.
>there is a great persian Vinegar drink that I make for the sca that always
>strikes me as a roman drink.
>If you like I will post my recipe!
>A. Olivia


Yes please post it by all means!
L Equitius

Subject:	Re: Fowarded Warning for Parents
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:48:33 -0400 (EDT)

>I received this from my Pagan Parenting list and it sparked enough
>interest in me to forward it to you all. It is off the usual NR
>path....sorry.

It is my understanding that this is not a genuine problem, but an attempt
to smear someone. Of course all standard cautions apply when dealing with
ANYONE you don't know well.

P. Cassia

"It is thy duty to leave another man's wrongful act there where it is." -
M. Aurelius Antoninus

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:50:48 -0700

Salus et Fortuna Gnaeus Marius, Salve!

michael cessna wrote:
>
> From: "mic-------- cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
>
> Salve, omnes!
>
> I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I remember a
> reference, from years ago, stating that the Legion's added vinegar to
> their water supplies. I have since lost the reference, but, does anyone
> know of the purposes, aside from 'purification', and what amounts of
> vinegar were added to water?
>
> Vale,
>
> Gnaeus Marius Asiaticus
>
>
An article I read, many years age, suggested 1 tablespoon each of cider
vinegar and honey per quart of water in hot weather as adding to the
refreshment and replenishment value of the water alone. Natural
vinegars do have some trace elements, as opposed to distilled white
vinegar. I have always preferred the tase of cider to wine vinegars
(another sign of my Nordic-Germanic-Celtic background ;{] ). The
sweet-sour bite seems to add to the satisfaction, evidence a nice glass
of lemonade.

As far as historical reference, I have none. Just the empiracal
evidence of using this concoction during hot weather.

Hope this helps, from an anecdotal standpoint at least.

Benedictus

Venator

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From:	pallasathene@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:08:03 -0400 (EDT)

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Subject:	Fw: Fowarded Warning for Parents
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:31:36 -0500

>I'd be happy to read it....but my hotmail won't open the attched file.
>Can you send it inline (as a part of the email post) instead???

I sent it to my Nova Roma bunch....acording to one member it is only an
attempt to smear someone.....

Vale!!!!! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@--------

--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: amethystcrystallight@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:12:50 -0500
Subject: Fowarded Warning for Parents
Message-ID: 19980914.181254.-431795.1.amethystcrystallight@--------

I received this from my Pagan Parenting list and it sparked enough
interest in me to forward it to you all. It is off the usual NR
path....sorry.

Vale!!!!! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@--------
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Merry Meet!

The following is a forward that the Cauldron has received concerning a
possible child predator in the online pagan community. Parents, and all
Wiccans/Pagans, please be aware of this, and pass this on to anyone you
believe might be interested!!

Bright Blessings,

Shakti

--------------------

This is a warning to all of you out there, especially young girls and/or
their
parents. There is a person named Faelan (or you may have heard him
posting as
his parents, Sarah and Jonathan) posting to Wicca, New Age and related
sites.
He claims to be an eleven year old child with "open-minded parents". He
is
running a "sweetheart contest" in which the "winner" (an approximately
eleven
year old girl) gets to go on a trip around the world in the year 2000. He
also
posts as his parents on pagan parenting sites, saying "Our son is a young
romantic, and we give our children the freedom to enter into all positive
human relationships for which they are ready. All parents with eligible
daughters are encouraged to look at this site." This is fishy enough, but
Akasha Ap Emrys from the Celtic Connection did a little background check
and
found that there have been no Aragorns in the entire
Portland area for the past five years. (Faelan claims that his last name
is
Aragorn, and that he lives in Aragorn.)
A look up of the PO Box and it's zip code revealed that it is in a
hole-in-
the-wall, un-manned sub-station, in a rather interesting Mall, located in
an
area called Eastport, in Portland, Oregon. Akasha's father, who is on
staff at
the Oregon Health Sciences University, in Portland, and who has worked as
a
school psychologist in both Portland, Oregon and western Washington,
where
this child was supposedly born, says he recalls no clinical psychologist
in
either state with the last name of Aragorn, or the man who is in the
picture
at their site. Akasha is reporting this person to the Post Master, at the
central Post Office in Portland, with our concerns of a predator
situation. I
am sure he is not aware of the motive of the use of PO Box, and I would
rather
doubt that he is as "open-minded" as this party would like.
You don't need to take action such as recording the site to be used as
evidence later, or reporting this to the police. All I ask is that you
post
this wherever you know this person could be lurking especially to pagan
sites.
This is the down-side of having an open-minded, accepting community.
Undesireables can shake everything up. However, being as close-knit as we
are,
we can help to nip this thing in the bud.
PLEASE FORWARD OR PARAPHRASE THIS AND SEND IT OUT TO AS MANY CHAT ROOMS,
BBS'S
FORUMS, ETC. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE NEED TO GET RID OF THIS INFLUENCE

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	"michael cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:46:23 PDT

>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Vinegar.......
>
>From: Asseri@--------
>
>
>Salve
>Ohh I can answere this one. The vineger of ancient time was more like
wine
>than it is today. The grapes and the art of vinting was far less a sure
thing
>than today. So common wine tended to be a lot more like wine vinegar
than we
>would ever consider.
>Vinegar is a good source of vitamin C and trace minerals and salts. It
acts a
>little like "gater-aid" when added to water.It also keep that water
from
>seeming stale.
>there is a great persian Vinegar drink that I make for the sca that
always
>strikes me as a roman drink.
>If you like I will post my recipe!
>
>A. Olivia
>
>
>>
Salve, amica!

Oh, definately! Please do.......

Vale,

G. Marius