Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	"michael cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:06:51 PDT

>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Vinegar.......
>
>From: Mega--------bin--------amgunn@--------
>
>Salus et Fortuna Gnaeus Marius, Salve!
>
<snip>
>
>Hope this helps, from an anecdotal standpoint at least.
>
>Benedictus
>
>Venator
>
>
>>
Ave, Venator!

I wish my Latin were better--thank you so
much............................
OUTSTANDING!!!

Vale,

Gnaeus Marius Asiaticus
>>
>
>

Subject:	Vespasian troops saved by Mithraitic (?) rite.
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:12:48 +0100

Salvete!

In Peter Connolly, 'The Roman Army', we can read the following (translated
from the portuguese edition):

"(...) But the indisciplined soldiers of Vitelius, although fatiged by the
long march, and without commander, still managed to attack. The battle
lasted all night. The Moon was behind the troops of Primus, giving him the
advantage of attacking in the shadow. The control of the battle changed from
side to side. At dawn, one of the oriental legions rose a cry of salute to
the Sun, as was its habit. The vitelians, thinking that Mucianus had
arrived, broke their ranks and ran away to Cremona, crowding inside the camp
(...)"

Was that "cry of salute to the Sun" mithraitic? Is there any evidence of
more practices like the one described? Someone has an idea of what the
sources of Peter Connolly are?

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Subject:	Bug in Nova Roma Home Page
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:18:03 +0100

Salve!

I just get an error when I click the statue of Octavius. The link becomes
erroneously www.novaroma.org.index.html. When I change to
www.novarome.org/index.html it gives the error that this page does not
exist.

Vale!

Subject:	Re: Bug in Nova Roma Home Page
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:21:14 EDT

Hooray! This means that the Nova Roma site has finally switched over to the
new server. You might want to dump your cache files in your computer, and hit
"reload" to bring up the page in it's new form.

I've just tried loading the new page and it's come up fine. Patricia has had
to change the page format somewhat... the black front page with Octavius is
gone, and there is no scrolling banner on the main page. Still, all the links
I've tried are working. This is a GREAT thing, since we've been unable to
recieve applications from new citizens for over a week while the old server
was going through the transferral process.

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul



In a message dated 98-09-15 05:15:26 EDT, you write:

<<
From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------

Salve!

I just get an error when I click the statue of Octavius. The link becomes
erroneously www.novaroma.org.index.html. When I change to
www.novarome.org/index.html it gives the error that this page does not
exist. >>

Subject:	Latin Phrases (Was Re: Vinegar)
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:37:07 -0700

Salus et Fortuna Gnaeus Marius, Salve!

is simply

Health and Luck Michael, Hello!

> From: "mic-------- cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
>
> >Subject: [novaroma] Re: Vinegar.......
> >
> >From: Mega--------bin--------amgunn@--------
> >
> >Salus et Fortuna Gnaeus Marius, Salve!
> >
> <snip>
> >
> >Hope this helps, from an anecdotal standpoint at least.
> >
> >Benedictus
> >
> >Venator
> >
> >
> >>
> Ave, Venator!
>
> I wish my Latin were better--thank you so
> much............................
> OUTSTANDING!!!
>
> Vale,
>
> Gnaeus Marius Asiaticus

Benedictus or Blessing

Venator (Hunter, my Cognomen, from my profession of being a Technical
sales specialist in a Hunting and Non-Hunting Shooting Sports Department
for a large Sports Store. Also I am a Hunters' Safety Instructor, as
well as a Hunter and Active Conservationist.)

My full Roman Name is: Stephanus Ullerius Venator

Stephanus (the Praenomen analog of the name my parents gave me, Steven)
Ullerius (My Gens, named after the Nordic-Germanic God Uller, who,
amongst other things, is the Patron of Hunting, Archery, Cross-Country
Skiing and the Witnessing of Oaths.)
Venator (As above)

I'm sure that the Latin will come to you as it has for me, slow little
useful bits, guided by the Latin dictionary by my computer.

And as I am one of Nova Roma's resident Northern Religion adherents,

Mikal, Fara Med Godanum!

Michael, May You Fare Well with the Gods!

Benedictus

Venator

Subject:	Sources of the Roman rites...
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:32:03 +0100

Salvete omnes!

Although we have a page with several ancient Roman formulas and ceremonies,
I think it lacks the documental source references.

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Subject:	Re: Sources of the Roman rites...
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:33:27 +0100

Sorry!

I've now seen the references below the title.

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio M. R. C. Grilo <amg>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 2:29 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Sources of the Roman rites...


>From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>
>Salvete omnes!
>
>Although we have a page with several ancient Roman formulas and ceremonies,
>I think it lacks the documental source references.
>
>Vale!
>
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
>
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Subject:	Nova Roma Page Problem
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:30:32 EDT

Salvete, Omnes,

The Nova Roma page IS currently down. There's obviously something that isn't
set right on the new server. The problem will be fixed this afternoon. I was
able to load the new Nova Roma page this morning, but can't now.

Thanks for your patience during the transition!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

Subject:	Re: Bug in Nova Roma Home Page
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:47:14 -0400 (EDT)

It will take about a week for all the domain name servers on the Internet
to realize that www.novaroma.org has changed servers. Cassius, for example,
can see the "new" page from home, but my own server doesn't have it yet.

Please be patient during the next week or so as the Internet figures out
we've moved.

thanks,
P. Cassia

Subject:	Re: Vespasian troops saved by Mithraitic (?) rite.
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:31:23 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-15 05:10:16 EDT, you write:

<< Was that "cry of salute to the Sun" mithraitic? Is there any evidence of
more practices like the one described? Someone has an idea of what the
sources of Peter Connolly are? >>

It's taken from Tacitus. You are talking about the battle of 2nd Cremona.
The legio in questian was III Cyrenaica. They were helios worshippers.
They worshipped the god Heliogabalus, who like the Egyptian Aten was
personified by the sun. Sunrise was always greeted with loud cheers.
These cheers were overheard by the Vitellian faction, These german/gaulic
legiones believed the Flavian faction had received reenforcements to their
their army and now outnumbered the Vitellians. They retreated, leaving the
field and the victory to the Flavians.

A good book about that battle and all of 69 AD is "The Long Year, AD 69."
By Wellesley. It's published by Paul Elek Limited, London 1975.

Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus
Roman Historian.

Subject:	Re: Vespasian troops saved by Mithraitic (?) rite.
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:39:12 +0100

Salve!

Thank you Fabius Maximus!
Anything about battlefield relief?

Vale!


-----Original Message-----
From: SFP55@-------- SFP55@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 6:33 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Vespasian troops saved by Mithraitic (?) rite.


>From: SFP55@--------
>
>In a message dated 98-09-15 05:10:16 EDT, you write:
>
><< Was that "cry of salute to the Sun" mithraitic? Is there any evidence of
> more practices like the one described? Someone has an idea of what the
> sources of Peter Connolly are? >>
>
>It's taken from Tacitus. You are talking about the battle of 2nd Cremona.
>The legio in questian was III Cyrenaica. They were helios worshippers.
>They worshipped the god Heliogabalus, who like the Egyptian Aten was
>personified by the sun. Sunrise was always greeted with loud cheers.
>These cheers were overheard by the Vitellian faction, These german/gaulic
>legiones believed the Flavian faction had received reenforcements to their
>their army and now outnumbered the Vitellians. They retreated, leaving the
>field and the victory to the Flavians.
>
>A good book about that battle and all of 69 AD is "The Long Year, AD 69."
>By Wellesley. It's published by Paul Elek Limited, London 1975.
>
>Vale
>Q. Fabius Maximus
>Roman Historian.
>
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Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:52:26 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-14 20:41:15 EDT, you write:

<< there is a great persian Vinegar drink that I make for the sca that always
strikes me as a roman drink.
If you like I will post my recipe! >>

Please do!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Vespasian troops saved by Mithraitic (?) rite.
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:47:47 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-15 13:37:13 EDT, you write:

<< Anything about battlefield relief? >>
I'm working on the diagrams.

Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus

Subject:	Latin 101
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:16:28 -0500 (CDT)

Maybe others would be interested in learning
a few real basic Latin words and phrases that could be posted if anyone
would want to help out like-

Good morning

Good afternoon

Good evening/night- and then singuar or plural- talking to let's say
a group in the chatroom.

What about the verb to be and going in the standard format as follows

I am we are
you are-familiar
you are-formal they are

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:37:00 -0500 (CDT)

See, right there we could have the start of a brewing/vinting guild
or college if there was any interest in people recreating ancient brews
that the Romans enjoyed. Could be quite a lot of fun in a section
somewhere in a future Nova Roma event. As I know absolutely nothing
about making wine I should say I wouldn't mind learning. Learning in
itself as I see it is primarily a tool in which to help people live or
to enjoy life a little more and this might be a good place to start
enjoying it a little more-lol.
I do wonder though exactly what kind of wines as we would define them
were available to the Romans? Did they actually have a lot of variety
in types of wines? I always assumed they drank something similar to a
burgandy wine and used it extremely often very watered down as it was
useful in killing parasites and somewhat purifying the water even in
small amounts,
I also imagine that even a touch of wine in our drinking water would
be useful in killing off any potential crypto-sporidium parasites.

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	MurrellB@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:42:49 EDT

Gaius Drusus Domitianus noted:
<<the Romans? Did they actually have a lot of variety
in types of wines? I always assumed they drank something similar to a
burgandy wine and used it extremely often very watered down as it was
useful in killing parasites>>

No expert on this, but I remember once reading that
Roman wines--in general--tasted terrible and that's
why they always cut such with water. So it must have
been the "effect" rather than to the tastebuds that
appealed. :-)

-Leonina Beatrix

Subject:	Out of curiousity
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:02:58 -0500 (CDT)

I was just kind of wondering what our pontiffs have been up to and
kind of what they're working on as I'm certain others here would like to
know too. No specifics necessary, just kind of what's new/ anything
exciting happening.

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:11:22 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-15 19:37:43 EDT, you write:

<< See, right there we could have the start of a brewing/vinting guild
or college if there was any interest in people recreating ancient brews
that the Romans enjoyed. >>

I would be very interested in learning this. I have had an interest in
brewing ever since I became involved in the SCA. I've been planning to buy
some equipment...I have developed an addiction to Mead. : )

--Dexippus
<<cover me with honey and call me Metheglyn>>

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:40:37 -0500

I'm pretty sure this is a stupid question, but as a *notorious* drunk
(recovering now for 8 1/2 years, and planning to keep it that way) I
really *must* ask: Is there any way to make a *non*-alcoholic drink out
of all this mess?

Just trying to keep out of trouble. I don't know about the rest of ya,
but if *I* drink, I'm quite likely to wind up dead -- if I'm lucky. :-/

Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@--------

Subject:	Re: Out of curiousity
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:58:33 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-15 20:03:54 EDT, you write:

<< I was just kind of wondering what our pontiffs have been up to and
kind of what they're working on as I'm certain others here would like to
know too. No specifics necessary, just kind of what's new/ anything
exciting happening.
>>

Salve,

So far nothing at all has happened within the Pontificial College. Several
applications for priesthood have been made to date. However, the call for
priests went out before the College was even created, so no procedures for
choosing priests has been established. We're trying to work that process out
now. I'm hopeful that we will be set soon... two of our Pontiffs have been
extremely busy with the current school semester, so we're waiting for their
schedules to be freed up to allow more discussion.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:38:47 -0700

Health and Luck Vinnie - Salus et Fortuna Dexippus!

Hope your A.H.A. sponsorships amounted to more than your quota!

I posted a message on the Forum Message Board.

I volunteer to (at least) get a Brewing and Vinting S.I.G. going at this
time. Once I get some health concerns addressed, I shall be happy to
help (READ THAT TWICE!), that is HELP, set up a Collegia dedicated to
the drowning of little yeast beasts in sugar water and drinking the
wonderful results of their collective sacrifice. When I was a Brewing
and Vinting judge in the SCA, I had some wonderfully documented,
accurately made decoctions which were perfectly Period, and dreadful to
drink. I prefer to use the "Creative" part and make consumeables for
the modern palette.

Laxarum - Nil Vexarum - Habere Coquerum Domus

S. Ullerius Venator (Auctor Vinum et Cerevisia et Mead)

Postscriptum: I prefer my spices in the Metheglin, but I'll share that!
My latest batchof Mead is a potent Pyment (a brew of Honey and Grape
juice, close I think to the Nectar ehich the Gods of Olympus imbibed),
17% Alkie, nicely semi-sweet and dark ruby in color, yummy!

Subject:	Re: Vinegar.......
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:01:51 -0700

Salus et Fortuna Amythystia Iunia, Salve!

Amethyst C Light wrote:
>
> From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethyst C Light)
>
> I'm pretty sure this is a stupid question, but as a *notorious* drunk
> (recovering now for 8 1/2 years, and planning to keep it that way) I
> really *must* ask: Is there any way to make a *non*-alcoholic drink out
> of all this mess?
>
> Just trying to keep out of trouble. I don't know about the rest of ya,
> but if *I* drink, I'm quite likely to wind up dead -- if I'm lucky. :-/
>
> Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
> amethystcrystallight@--------
>

In my rarely humble opinion, their is no such thing as a stupid
question.
Stupidity lies in militantly remaining ignorant.

I recall, in my large library on brewing, some recipies for lo-alcohol
all and beer. I'll look into it and post my results, or better yet, an
occassional column to, hummm, perhaps, "The Eagle?" Seriously, one can
brew light, non-intoxicating "quick meads" and other drinks. Unlike the
modern process of using a reverse osmosis or heating system to remove
alcohol from regular beer and wine to create the lo-alcohol versions.

In Service, Vale!

Venator

Subject:	Re: Latin Phrases (Was Re: Vinegar)
From:	"michael cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:45:30 PDT

>Subject: [novaroma] Latin Phrases (Was Re: Vinegar)
>
>From: Mega--------bin--------amgunn@--------
>
>Salus et Fortuna Gnaeus Marius, Salve!
>
<much cool stuff snipped>
>
>Benedictus
>
>Venator
>
>
>>
Salus, S. Ullerius!

Thank you knidly for the lesson...I'll pick it up, as I go along.

Fortuna!!

G.Marius
>>
>
>