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Afranius Syagrius - more info |
| From: |
"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@-------- |
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Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:41:28 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes!
>>From: Oplonti--------...
>>In 486 the army of Syagrius
>>was defeated by a Frankish force led by Clovis. Syagrius escaped to
Toulouse,
>>but was imprisoned and executed soon afterward.
In 486 Galia was divided in three parts: Visigothic territory under Alaric
II (south until the Loire), Galo-Roman territory under Syagrius (between the
Loire and the Seine) and Frank territory under Clovis (north of the Seine).
After being defeated near Soissons, Syagrius escaped to the reign of Alaric
II (possibly Toulouse, the capital (?)) with some retainers. In order to
prove his friendship towards Clovis, Alaric II delivered Syagrius to Clovis,
who afterwards ordered his execution.
There were more people with the name Afranius Syagrius, not to be confused
with the Galo-Roman patrician:
Flavius Afranius Syagrius - Roman Consul (381?) of Galo-Roman origin. A
document contemporary of his proconsulship can be seen in
<a href="http://odyssey.lib.duke.edu/papyrus/records/9.html" target="_top" >http://odyssey.lib.duke.edu/papyrus/records/9.html</a> (sale of a donkey)
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| Subject: |
Re: Latin 101 |
| From: |
Robin Harwood phlrrh@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:39:16 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete omnes
Wheelock's may be O.K., but the Oxford Latin Course is the best thing
available up to now. An intelligent adult can work through it with
external guidance. It includes plenty of practice, and plenty of
information about Rome and Roman life.
Try it.
R. H.
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| Subject: |
Re: Latin 101 |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:58:36 -0400 (EDT) |
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For those who prefer a lighter touch, I like Alexander and Nicholas Humez'
"Latin for People." It gives you the basics of the language - enough to
hold a small conversation or understand a casually encountered Latin tag in
a book - in an entertaining way. (Many of the translation exercises turn
out to be shaggy-dog stories: "A bear walked into a bar ...")
(Full disclosure: I'm friends with Nick Humez, a strange but literate
individual. But I wouldn't recommend his book unless I liked it.)
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: Latin 101 |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:49:52 EDT |
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In a message dated 98-09-17 19:39:44 EDT, you write:
<< "A bear walked into a bar ... >>
Then what happened?
Q Fabius
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| Subject: |
Book, Another! |
| From: |
Ricci razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:13:00 -0700 |
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Salvete!
I checked Amazon today and saw that they have the new edition of Lord
MacAuley's _Lays of Ancient Rome_. It is $7.96 in paperback.
This is the Victorian poetry that we have probably all heard parts of at
some time or other. I think it is a good addition to the NR booklist
(NR could get a cut --Right?) I'm just not sure if I'll be able to wait
until it getws added to our list.
Vale
Ericius
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| Subject: |
New Flyer??? |
| From: |
Ricci razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:13:09 -0700 |
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Salvete!
I've seen several people in taverna say that we need a new NR flyer. I
agree. I've always had reservations about the current one, even though
I've spread a bunch of them around the province.
How do we go about getting a new flyer drafted and approved? Is it up
to the Senate? Will it have to be voted on by the Centuries, the
Tribes, the entire citizenship?
Maybe some of the verbally creative Quirites could post a draft to the
list so all we silly Roman geese can vent our opinions. With luck we
might come out of the process with a short, enticing flyer that will
bring in more like minded folk.
This off-the-top-of-the-head thought is my responsibility and no one
should be held responsible for it unless they want to take the rap.
Valete
Ericius
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| Subject: |
Re: New Flyer??? |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:28:37 EDT |
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In a message dated 98-09-17 21:52:49 EDT, you write:
<< Maybe some of the verbally creative Quirites could post a draft to the
list so all we silly Roman geese can vent our opinions. With luck we
might come out of the process with a short, enticing flyer that will
bring in more like minded folk. >>
Salve.
I'm a scriptwriter. I could take a stab at it if the August body wishes it.
Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: Latin 101 |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:49:28 -0400 (EDT) |
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><< "A bear walked into a bar ... >>
>Then what happened?
OK, you asked for it! English version below for those who aren't up for a
challenge:
Ursus in tabernam introiit et cerevisiam imperavit. Tabernarius ex taberna
ad dominum cucurrum dicens, "O domine! O domine! Ursus in taberna est et
cerevisiam desiderat!" Dominus tabernario respondit, "Stulte, utrum
cerevisiam an mala vendimus in taberna? Urso cerevisiam venders potes et,
quia ursi stulti sunt, dicere potes etiam: 'Pretium sestertium.'"
Tabernarius rediit in taberna et ursum dedit cerevisiam dicens, "Pretium
sestertium." Ursus non respondit, sed cerevisiam recepit. Dixit
tabernarius, fabulans in modo tabernariorum, "Nonne ursi rarae aves in
taberna?" "Vero," respondit ursus, "rari sumus cere propter cerevisia
caritatem immoderatam."
----
A bear went into a bar and ordered a beer. The bartender ran from the bar
to his employer, saying, "Boss! Boss! There's a bear in the bar and he
wants a beer!" The owner answered the bartender, "Dummy, do we sell beer or
do we sell apples in the bar? You can sell the bear a beer, and because
bears are stupid animals, you can then tell him, 'The price is a
sestertium.'"
The bartender went back in the bar and gave the bear a beer, saying "The
price is a sestertium." The bear didn't answer, but took the beer. The
bartender, speaking in the way bartenders do, said, "You don't see too many
bears in a bar, do you?" "That's right," answered the bear. "You don't,
undoubtedly because of the outrageous price of the beer."
Don't say I didn't warn you ...
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Nova Roman calendar: Researchers needed |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:59:46 -0400 (EDT) |
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One project we still need to work on is the completion of the calendar of
Roman holidays at our Web site. Germanicus had done the work through
Quinctilis (July), but the months of Sextilis (August) through Decembrus
still need someone to look up the holidays and write brief descriptions of
each.
To keep this manageable, I'm seeking five volunteers, one for each month.
The holidays themselves are already listed; all you have to do is go look
them up.
Act now before your favorite month is gone!
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: Latin 101 |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:35:15 -0400 |
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>Salvete omnes
>Wheelock's may be O.K., but the Oxford Latin Course is the best thing
>available up to now. An intelligent adult can work through it with
>external guidance. It includes plenty of practice, and plenty of
>information about Rome and Roman life.
>Try it.
>R. H.
Salvete
I have both and I vote Wheelock's hands down.
Valete L Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roman calendar: Researchers needed |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:29:16 -0400 |
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pjane wrote:
>
> From: p-------- p--------@--------
>
> One project we still need to work on is the completion of the calendar of
> Roman holidays at our Web site. Germanicus had done the work through
> Quinctilis (July), but the months of Sextilis (August) through Decembrus
> still need someone to look up the holidays and write brief descriptions of
> each.
>
> To keep this manageable, I'm seeking five volunteers, one for each month.
> The holidays themselves are already listed; all you have to do is go look
> them up.
>
> Act now before your favorite month is gone!
>
does this mean I no longer have to do this in the Eagle?
-- F.C.
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| Subject: |
Re: Latin 101 |
| From: |
Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:40:21 -0700 (PDT) |
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---Na-------- Hicks moman@-------- wro--------br>
> I recommend Claudia Aprica's
> chatting guide to those desiring a just few phrases
> without any knowledge of the grammatical rules involved.
Rusticus - thanks for the recommendation!
For anyone who doesn't know about my chatting guide, it's on the
gens Claudia Lucentia home-page (URL in my sig file). Either follow
the link from the front page, or go straight there by adding
"/latin.html" to the address below.
Hope it's of some help to people!
Vale,
Aprica.
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