Subject:	Re: NEW CENSOR APPOINTMENT! :)
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:40:09 -0400 (EDT)

Salvete Omnes! I just wanted to thank everyone for wishing me well as I
take up the position of Censor. Be assured that I will faithfully serve
our Republic to the utmost of my ability.

Valete!


Decius Iunius Palladius

Censor

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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca


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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: Flyers
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Tue, 22 Sep 1998 04:00:13 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete, omnes...

Just some thoughts on what Drusus had to say on the subject:

It's OK for the flyer to be a little more informative. Most people
I've seen don't really try to read flyers or brochures while passing to
class, rushing to the bus stop, etc.; they pick up a flyer because
something about it catches their attention, but they actually settle
down to read it later in the day when they can go over it at some
leisure and really digest the contents. (In study hall, say, or after
catching the bus.) So there needs to be some meat for the reader to
justify his having carried it around for a good portion of the day.

Second, the main concern I have heard voiced by people to whom I have
explained Nova Roma (either verbally or in writing) is not about
religion at all, it's about us proclaiming ourselves a nation! The #1
comment I get is, "This isn't one of those Republic of Texas-type
deals, is it?"--whereupon I explain our position on sovereignty,
territory (or lack thereof), and abiding by the laws of whatever land
we find ourselves in. Maybe it's my location that accounts for this,
but more people are worried about us maybe being a lunatic fringe than
about our religious leanings. I mention this so we don't get
blindsided by the issue if/when it comes up.

Finally, I wonder if we are working on any more-in-depth materials for
the non-Web-capable. Yes, that means printing!! Expensive business, I
know; I used to be a printer. If I still had access to an offset
press, I'd offer to print any handbooks, paper forms, envelopes, etc.
that the community comes up with. I don't, so I can't. But the need
for comprehensive, hard-copy material on Nova Roma still exists and is
the way that *most* people will eventually be reached. Perhaps we can
do like with the flyers: put something on the site that can be
downloaded, printed out and then copied 'til the cows come home.
Anything like that in the works?

Yours under the Eagles,
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aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends

Subject:	Re: Flyers
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Tue, 22 Sep 1998 05:34:09 -0400 (EDT)

Drusus wrote:

>The main concern I have heard voiced by people to whom I have
>explained Nova Roma (either verbally or in writing) is not about
>religion at all, it's about us proclaiming ourselves a nation! The #1
>comment I get is, "This isn't one of those Republic of Texas-type
>deals, is it?"

I think one thing we could put on a flyer is a digested version of the FAQ
at our Web site (<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/faq.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/faq.html</a>). It includes the
immortal question "How serious are you about the sovereignty thing?"

>Finally, I wonder if we are working on any more-in-depth materials for
>the non-Web-capable. Yes, that means printing!! Expensive business, I
>know...

One of the cool things about Germanicus' design for the Web site is that
the background is light enough to be ignored by most printers. So if we
have need of more materials - say, if one of us has a table at a college
Multifaith Night or whatever - anybody with a printer can make some
handouts with very little effort.

Patricia Cassia

Subject:	Re: New flyer.
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:52:25 +0100

Salvete omnes!

Answering most noble citizen Dexippus...

>I agree that we should concentrate our marketing efforts on college and
>university campuses. I, myself, have plastered my Alma Mater with flyers.
>But I don't believe we should downplay our position of restoring the
Religio
>Romana and adapting it to modern practice. Doing so will only create
distrust
>among new citizens who may feel they've been led into a cult without prior
>knowledge of the importance the Religio plays in Nova Roma.
I don't think it will create distruss... Moreover, I don't think we want to
be a 'cult'. I think that Nova Roma is much more than that. We want to be
the center of research and restoration of Roman culture, values and
religion. Many people who admire and study Roman civilization today are not
pagans (we live (unfourtunately =)) in a christian world), but they are
extremely valuable in the objective of research and we need their support.
By not marking heavily our position of restoring the Religio Romana in the
flyers, I don't think we are deceiving people. We are protecting their
feelings as non-pagan admires of Roman culture, and I'm sure there are
plenty of people willing to collaborate in a religion-free basis.

>And while the Religio certainly is not the only purpose of Nova Roma or
even
>the most important by any means, it does play a prominent role along with
the
>revival of Roman Virtues, Roman Government, and Roman Living. To downplay
one
>over the other for the sake of becoming "more attractive" is cutting off
our
>nose to spite our face.
>I could not accurately deduce from your post if you were suggesting we
>downplay the Religio but I wanted to clarify my stand if that was the
>direction you were taking.
Dexippus, I'm a follower of the Religio Romana as you are, and Religious
Institutions in Nova Roma are certainly of MAJOR IMPORTANCE. Nevertheless,
you can have your religion without bothering those who don't have it but
still want to give their contribution to the research effort. If you go out
saying "this is a pagan thing. We want to restore the Religio Romana", I'm
sorry to deceive you but most of the people will say you're not ok, as they
don't feel the same as you do. Many serious people will not regard Nova Roma
as a serious institution, and there may be people whose support is
essential. We have short and long term objectives. Remember that.

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)


-----Original Message-----
From: Dexippus@-------- Dexippus@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Saturday, September 19, 1998 2:09 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: New flyer.


>From: Dexippus@--------
>
>In a message dated 98-09-18 06:04:23 EDT, you write:
>
><< As such, I've put more weight on 'research of pagan roman rites'
> than its 'modern use'. With this, I expect the following: >>
>
>I agree that we should concentrate our marketing efforts on college and
>university campuses. I, myself, have plastered my Alma Mater with flyers.
>But I don't believe we should downplay our position of restoring the
Religio
>Romana and adapting it to modern practice. Doing so will only create
distrust
>among new citizens who may feel they've been led into a cult without prior
>knowledge of the importance the Religio plays in Nova Roma.
>
>And while the Religio certainly is not the only purpose of Nova Roma or
even
>the most important by any means, it does play a prominent role along with
the
>revival of Roman Virtues, Roman Government, and Roman Living. To downplay
one
>over the other for the sake of becoming "more attractive" is cutting off
our
>nose to spite our face.
>
>I could not accurately deduce from your post if you were suggesting we
>downplay the Religio but I wanted to clarify my stand if that was the
>direction you were taking.
>
>--Dexippus
>(sorry if this post sounds aggressive...it's 7:30am and I'm in a hot
kitchen
>preparing food for a Pot-luck for Mabon)
>
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Subject:	Re: New flyer.
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:17:17 -0500

Salvete

Back in my "fitting in days" as a Mennonite, I designed for them a
pamphlet. It was 8 1/2 X 11, printing on both sides and I was able to
cram a great deal of information in it (people know about as much about
the Mennonite church as they do about Nova Roma it seems). The comments
I got on it were encouraging. Most people read it at their leisure. The
problem was in the pacifism of the church. Ours is not a gentile world.
But we got *some* people. The MB church still isn't as big as, say the
Amish Mennonite church, but they are getting there. Actually, I was
happy we stayed as small as we were.

Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@--------

Subject:	Re: New flyer.
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:44:20 EDT

In a message dated 98-09-22 07:49:40 EDT, you write:

<< Dexippus, I'm a follower of the Religio Romana as you are, and Religious
Institutions in Nova Roma are certainly of MAJOR IMPORTANCE. Nevertheless,
you can have your religion without bothering those who don't have it but
still want to give their contribution to the research effort. >>

Absolutely! And I do not mean to imply that we come across as saying "Hey,
this is a pagan organization...like it or not!". I am just saying, don't hide
the fact that most of our citizens are Pagan and the organization is involved
with the goal of restoring the ancient Pagan rites. This isn't proselytizing,
it's just being open about who we are and what our goals are.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: New flyer.
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:54:53 EDT

Ok...I've done some work on the flyer. I kept some of Germanicus' wording
because I thought it definately portrayed the right message, but I organized
it so it can be digested relatively quickly. I've also toned down the "goals"
to portray them more as varied interests among the citizens of Nova Roma.

For instance, instead of saying "Nova Roma is dedicated to the restoration of
Ancient Roman Paganism" (or something to that affect), I've rewarded it to say
"Nova Roma seeks to strengthen its community by cultivating the many Roman-era
interests of its diverse citizens: Roman government and politics, Ancient
Roman Pagan Religions,"...etc., etc.

I'd like to present the altered flyer for review but would prefer to send it
to a governing body (Senate? Consuls? Pontiffs?). Not to limit feedback,
but I would rather avoid the "too many cooks in the kitchen" syndrome that can
often prolong the completion and advancement of a project.

So, let me know who needs to see this and I will send it forth for the first
wave of revisions.

Thanks,

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: New flyer.
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:18:08 -0700

Salve, Dexippus.

Dexippus@-------- wrote:

This part sounds okay by me.
> Ok...I've done some work on the flyer. I kept some of Germanicus' wording
> because I thought it definately portrayed the right message, but I organized
> it so it can be digested relatively quickly. I've also toned down the "goals"
> to portray them more as varied interests among the citizens of Nova Roma.
>
> For instance, instead of saying "Nova Roma is dedicated to the restoration of
> Ancient Roman Paganism" (or something to that affect), I've rewarded it to say
> "Nova Roma seeks to strengthen its community by cultivating the many Roman-era
> interests of its diverse citizens: Roman government and politics, Ancient
> Roman Pagan Religions,"...etc., etc.

Now on to this part.
> I'd like to present the altered flyer for review but would prefer to send it
> to a governing body (Senate? Consuls? Pontiffs?).

My thought is that you submit it to the Senate. I do not see this as a
matter for the College of Pontiffs, it is more in the realm of "foreign
relations". Also, the Senate has been up and running while the College
of Pontiffs is still sitting on the ground.

>Not to limit feedback,
> but I would rather avoid the "too many cooks in the kitchen" syndrome that can
> often prolong the completion and advancement of a project.
So you have noticed this phenomenon too! ;-)
>
> So, let me know who needs to see this and I will send it forth for the first
> wave of revisions.

Bona Fortuna!

Ericius