| Subject: |
Re: Website Census of the Roman Republic, et coetera |
| From: |
"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:13:13 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes,
Indeed, amici, you found many difficult problems in my proposal. I just was
wondering wether it is really traditional to have censors aprove all
citizenships.
My question is the following: What was a Roman governor? What were its roles
besides collecting taxes and diplomacy? Who gave citizenship to a person in
the Provincia? Did that person have to appeal to the censors in Roma? That
would take a lot of time. Ok I agree. We are in the 20th century and have
the Internet. Centralization in Nova Roma is more practical. Nevertheless,
as a governor, I'd like to be informed on the current status of Nova Roman
population in my Provincia. I'd like to permanently know who my citizens
are, and eventually contact them in order to organize events, etc.
So, lets look at things in another way: if it is difficult to have governors
approve citizenships, then I thing that the censors should at least notify
the respective governor every time a citizenship is approved for that
Provincia.
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
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To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 12:48 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Website Census of the Roman Republic, et coetera
>From: C--------us622@--------
>
>In a message dated 9/28/98 6:42:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
amg@--------
>writes:
>
><< I was wondering if it would not be useful to have a page with the Census
of
> Nova Roma, id est information on the number of citizens for each Nova
Roman
> provincia.
>
>We do have a list of Gentes up on the site, and a tally of the number of
>Citizens. Adding the number of Citizens in each Provincia is a fine idea -
but
>would create a good deal more work in maintaining and updating the Nova
Roma
>site. I'm honestly not certain that the information would be worth the
trouble
>it would take to consistantly update and check it just now. Keeping one
>central list and getting accurate information from it is difficult enough.
I
>don't want to even imagine this list being split up among the provinces,
and
>trying to compile information from THAT.
>
> >I was also wondering if citizenship should not be approved by Roman
> governors for each province, rather than directly by the Censors of Nova
> Roma.
>
>I'm afraid that this idea just isn't practical. First of all, the Censors
>would be the people historically responsible for such a task, rather than
>Provincial Governors. Secondly, there has to be a central overseeing of the
>creation of Gentes, the solving of problems, and the maintaining of
>information. The Praetors simply would not be able to do this. We'd get
>information from some Provinces but not others, and we'd never have a
complete
>and accurate list of what was going on overall. Not to mention the fact
that
>this would make the Citizenship application process much more complex. At
the
>very least the site would have to be reconfigured to send mail to a dozen
>different people at once. We'd have to know immediately every city and
every
>town in each province so the computer could do this forwarding...
>
>> I propose that there be a Web page for each provincia built (or filled)
by
> each governor. It should obey a template and have citizenship request
forms
> directed to the governor. The governor would then notify the Senate.
> The provincia Web page should include:
> - Info on the current governor.
> - Digitized map of the provincia,
> - Info on the provincia,
> - Census information,
> - Other info: religious sites, stationed re-enactment military units, et
> coetera.
>
>Each Provincia IS invited to create a website with this information! We've
>already begun doing this, although not everyone has had a lot of Provincial
>information to put up as yet. I believe a few Provincia sites are already
>linked to within the Nova Roma site. Also, any Provincia page out there
should
>have a link to the main Nova Roma site, but be indexed with the internet
>search engines on it's own. That would increase the chances of people
finding
>Nova Roma while "surfing" greatly. I do feel that the Provincia pages
should
>have a tally of Citizens on them... but the Praetors will need to obtain
this
>info from Nova Roma itself, rather than the other way around.
>
> >I know this administrative reform has many issues, but I'd like to hear
from
> the magistrates.
>
>Well, this is more raising some ideas than a full administrative reform...
but
>it is good to see that folks are thinking about this sort of thing. I'm
hoping
>to set up a Message board this week for the Praetors, so that this sort of
>thing can be discussed more easily.
>
>> P.S. I feedback is positive I will try to design a template and present
it
> to the magistracy.
>
>Sounds good! I know that some of the Praetors are not skilled in Web
design,
>myself included. Making it easy to produce separate Provincia pages is a
fine
>idea.
>
>Vale,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>Consul, Censor
>
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| Subject: |
Fwd: [novaroma] Re: Website Census of the Roman Republic, et coetera |
| From: |
Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:03:54 -0700 (PDT) |
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---"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@-------- wrote:
> I think that the censors should at least notify
> the respective governor every time a citizenship is approved for that
> Provincia.
>
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> (Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
Germanicus did briefly try to start up a system of notifying
governors when people joined up from their province, but it seemed to
fall apart pretty quickly - I think he just didn't have the time to do
it. Still, if the censors could ressurect the system, I for one would
be very grateful. Right now, I _think_ I know who all the people in my
province are, but there could be some I've missed...
All it would take is a standard e-mail, kept in a 'Draft' folder,
into which the name (and e-mail?) of the person joining could be
added. Sending this out each time should then only take a minute.
Vale,
Aprica
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| Subject: |
Re: Website Census of the Roman Republic, et coetera |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:56:30 EDT |
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In a message dated 9/29/98 5:10:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, amg@--------
writes:
<< Salvete omnes,
> Indeed, amici, you found many difficult problems in my proposal. I just was
wondering wether it is really traditional to have censors aprove all
citizenships.
I believe it was traditional for the Censors to approve the Citizenships. Both
Citizenship and position were well kept track of in ancient Rome. There were
not only Citizen rolls, but also rolls for the Tribes, Senators, Knights,
Patricians, and Plebians, and Freedmen.
The biggest reason we've continued this Censorial tradition is that there has
to be a central way to coordinate everything. The list of active Gens has to
be kept up so that we don't get duplications, for instance. We need a central
list so that we can contact folks if we have to. New Citizens also often need
help in choosing a Roman name, or correcting an idea for one they already
have. The only "approval" that is being done is to make sure that there aren't
major inaccuracies, or that nobody registers with a joke name, like "Nautius
Maximus" or something.
> My question is the following: What was a Roman governor? What were its roles
besides collecting taxes and diplomacy? Who gave citizenship to a person in
the Provincia? Did that person have to appeal to the censors in Roma? That
would take a lot of time. Ok I agree. We are in the 20th century and have
the Internet. Centralization in Nova Roma is more practical. Nevertheless,
as a governor, I'd like to be informed on the current status of Nova Roman
population in my Provincia. I'd like to permanently know who my citizens
are, and eventually contact them in order to organize events, etc.
If you're interested in the historical duties of the Provincial Governors, I'd
recommend several books including "The Oxford Classical Dictionary", "As the
Romans Did" by Adkins, and a host of other books on the Roman world. The
ancient governmental positions are fairly clearly laid out.
Obviously, while we're keeping positions as intact as possible, there have to
be modern adaptations. I don't imagine that you're interested in organizing
the Grain Supply coming to Rome from your Provincia, for example! ;) The
Praetors actually have a great deal of freedom regarding how they work within
their Provincia. The one thing we're definitely interested in is that they
make Nova Roma available at a local level... getting information out there.
Aside from that you can organize local events, start non-religious Sodalicium
within your Provincia, work to build an Ordo Equester presence within your
province, organize and host festivals, raise Reenactor Legions, etc. If you
can Email me directly I can probably give you more specific answers to
questions.
We're also working on setting up a Message Board for the various Praetors -
that would be a much better forum for such discussion than the internet list.
> So, lets look at things in another way: if it is difficult to have governors
approve citizenships, then I thing that the censors should at least notify
the respective governor every time a citizenship is approved for that
Provincia.
Absolutely! We've done this in the past, and fully intend to continue with
this policy. We've been having a fair amount of difficulty with the Citizen
list during the transition, which is why you don't have an updated Citizen
List sitting in your lap right now. It was left to us in a form we couldn't
read. Even though we have it up and running now there is still updating to be
done.
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Website Census of the Roman Republic, et coetera |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:25:12 -0500 (CDT) |
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I think getting the Praetors and their new Citizens in touch with each
other could be more easily handled from the other end of the
transaction...that is, instead of sending governors the addresses of
their Citizens, we could simply add to the welcome letter (that every
Citizen gets anyway) a line to the effect that "BTW, you are in the ...
Province; the Praetor for your Province is ...; contact this person for
more info about Nova Roman activities in your area".
This will work *even better* once we can get some of the Praetors
reliably responding to e-mails! (Someone mentioned in taverna last
night that a few of the governors have been not much more than ghostly
presences.)
Atque memento, not every new Citizen is going to have e-mail
either...these will need mailing addresses/phone #s for their Praetors.
We have way fewer Praetors than Citizens, it seems to me the Praetors'
contact info would be easier to keep up with.
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| Subject: |
Re: Website Census of the Roman Republic, et coetera |
| From: |
NovaRomaNH@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:27:03 EDT |
|
In a message dated 9/29/98 1:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
legion6@-------- write--------r>
<<
I think getting the Praetors and their new Citizens in touch with each
other could be more easily handled from the other end of the
transaction...that is, instead of sending governors the addresses of
their Citizens, we could simply add to the welcome letter (that every
Citizen gets anyway) a line to the effect that "BTW, you are in the ...
Province; the Praetor for your Province is ...; contact this person for
more info about Nova Roman activities in your area".
>>
I'm not certain that this would be all that much more productive. It seems to
me that having a new Citizen first be approved by a Censor and then welcomed
by the Praetor of their Provincia would seem a bit more friendly... at least
that would give them more of an opportunity for conversation! ;)
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Website Census of the Roman Republic, et coetera |
| From: |
"Gauis Triumphius" poeticfiend@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:55:25 PDT |
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I agree completly that a governer or paterfamilias
should know who thier citizens are.
Gauis Triumphius
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| Subject: |
Re: Latin 101 |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:52:31 -0400 (EDT) |
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> For anyone who doesn't know about my chatting guide, it's on the
>gens Claudia Lucentia home-page.
Wow! That's cool! Could you add two more items when you get a chance -
"Thank you" and "You're welcome" (or whatever the proper response to "Thank
you" would have been?)
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: January Rite of Concordia |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:20:48 EDT |
|
In a message dated 98-09-28 18:08:35 EDT, you write:
<< Cassius and me, with help from such of our Roman friends as can make it.
(hint hint!) >>
Kewl! The only thing I'm worried about is the weather. I would hate to get
stranded in a blizzard.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Update on Jennifer Gyel |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:24:38 EDT |
|
Salvete Omni,
I just wanted to give you all an update on Jennifer Gyel. She's the niece of
my co-worker, Joyce, who was in a coma from a car accident a few months ago.
Well, I just want to say "Thank You" to everyone who prayed for her and/or
sent her healing energy. She did come out of her coma about a month ago (I
had not spoken to Joyce until recently) and she is in physical therapy. She
basically has to relearn everything (how to speak, how to move, etc.).
Doctors don't know if she will fully recover but they didn't think she would
come out of her coma either.
Again...thanks to all who helped out. Your energy and prayers were most
helpful!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Update on Jennifer Gyel |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:53:40 -0500 (CDT) |
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Great news!!! I wish her the best to a full recovery.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Announcement to the Plebeans |
| From: |
Masterofhistory masterofhistory@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:22:42 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete my fellow Plebeans,
As you may or may not know, Nova Roma will hold its first elections in
November or December for the annual magistracies. I, Avidius Tullius
Callidus, paterfamilias of one of the earlier Plebean gentes to join
Nova Roma, am donning the toga candida (the white candidates' toga)
and standing for election to the office of Tribune of the People.
I urge other Plebeans with some time and effort to spare to consider
standing for some of the various posts in the Nova Roman government.
There are the offices of Tribune of the People and Plebean Aedile
which only Plebeans may hold. There also are the
higher offices of Quaestor, Praetor and Consul to consider standing
for, not to mention the provincial Praetorships. Please join with me
in filling the offices in our Republic, we have gone without many of
them for too long.
The office of Plebean Tribune sometimes has a shadowy reputation and
in the last century of the ancient Roman Republic, this was deservedly
the case. However gone are the days of Saturninus, Clodius, Dolabella
and their ilk. I can assure you that my platform includes no "radical
legislation" which lead to so many of the Late Republic's problems.
My stance is one of mediation and moderation, in my view the Tribune
is a liasion between the Senate, the Magistrates and the Popular
Assemblies meeting with all to develope legislation that Nova Romans,
Patrician and Plebean alike can embrace. I am aquainted with many of
the
members of the current government and am willing to work with them and
any newcomers for the benefit of Nova Roma as a whole. I believe that
I have the ability, the knowledge and the drive to fulfill these
obligations to the People of Nova Roma with the dignity and honor
such an office deserves. I hope I can count on your vote in the near
future.
If you have any questions, or would like to correspond with me, please
contact me. You may also be able to
find me in the chat-room as I frequent the Forum/Taverna.
Thank You and Vale!
Avidius Tullius Qf Callidus, Praedans
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
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