Forum Romanum


Subject:	Re: Names of the Months
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:45:12 -0400 (EDT)

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Ricci wrote:

> From: Ricci raz--------@--------
>
> Salvete!
>
> I'm posting this to the entire list so as to get input from the folk who are
> truly Latin enabled.
>
> My understanding, and my Latin dictionary has the months that end in "-ber"
> actually doing that in Latin. e.g October. My Latin dictionary has it as
> October -bris.
> The names are not in the form "Octobrus" like our calendar page shows. They are
> actually
> September
> October
> November
> December.
> The Seventh, Eighth, Ninth and Tenth months in the old calendar where the
> year began with mensis Martius.

Yes, you are right, the Latin for the above months is exactly the same as
the English spellings. The spellings on the site were I believe merely an
oversight.

Palladius

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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca

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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.


Subject:	Chat issue
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 04:17:25 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete,
Excellent! We have a new Forum/Taverna. Hopefully we have a better
atmosphere in those places as well. I however, am curious about the
functions this new room has. The statements read:

The "new" Beseen rooms feature some new commands. I reproduce the
instructions below. Troublesome chatters can be "ignored" or "booted."
If
two people get together and boot someone, that person cannot join the
chat
for 2 minutes (we can adjust the number of people and the time).

While these features are definitely a good security precaution, how do
we govern their use? I think we can all agree, especially those in
the chat room a couple of nights back when some very disturbed
individuals joined the chat, that ignore or boot has its uses. If
however, you are like me, you cannot help but wonder if this will be
used against citizens who for whatever reason at the time take issue
with a chat topic. The post adds:

I strongly recommend using "ignore" to filter out the comments of a
disgusting person, rather than taking action against him.

I agree with this excellent suggestion, however realize that it
carries no weight. Consider that if there is a disagreement in the
chat room; for example someone adds their disenting opinion, are they
likely to get the boot? If so, does the "booted" individual have a
course of action against the persons who administered the
defenestration? We definitely need a course of action should such
cases arise. Perhaps a clause in the Nova Roman Constitution or in
the Praetor's Edict.

This is something we must now consider now that we have both the power
to make the chat room more pleasent but also the power to muzzle
fellow citizens who hold opposing (but sensible) points of view, to
stifle debate and to limit the free exchange of ideas.

Avidius Tullius Qf Callidus, Praedans
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia


Subject:	Re: Chat issue
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:47:48 EDT

In a message dated 10/15/98 7:16:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
masterofhistor--------.. writes:

> Salvete,
Excellent! We have a new Forum/Taverna. Hopefully we have a better
atmosphere in those places as well. I however, am curious about the
functions this new room has. The statements read:

>The "new" Beseen rooms feature some new commands. I reproduce the
instructions below. Troublesome chatters can be "ignored" or "booted."
If two people get together and boot someone, that person cannot join the
chat for 2 minutes (we can adjust the number of people and the time).

>While these features are definitely a good security precaution, how do
we govern their use? I think we can all agree, especially those in
the chat room a couple of nights back when some very disturbed
individuals joined the chat, that ignore or boot has its uses. If
however, you are like me, you cannot help but wonder if this will be
used against citizens who for whatever reason at the time take issue
with a chat topic. The post adds:

I've been on several lists and rooms in the past, and this concern *always*
comes up with moderated boards. "Will people be booted if they just happen to
have a different opinion?" No, of course not. We've set up the room simply
because we've had literally a few dozen complaints from citizens... about
people logging on with other people's names, using foul language and
deliberately provoking people for their own amusement. ALL on-topic opinions
will be allowed, but very abusive and offensive behavior will not be.

> I strongly recommend using "ignore" to filter out the comments of a
disgusting person, rather than taking action against him.

> I agree with this excellent suggestion, however realize that it
carries no weight. Consider that if there is a disagreement in the
chat room; for example someone adds their disenting opinion, are they
likely to get the boot? If so, does the "booted" individual have a
course of action against the persons who administered the
defenestration? We definitely need a course of action should such
cases arise. Perhaps a clause in the Nova Roman Constitution or in
the Praetor's Edict.

I personally have only been in the new room for a few minutes, but did not see
an "ignore" feature that can be used by an individual to filter out the
comments of another person. This is definitely the simplest way to go if it
exists... but I honestly don't see major problems if booting people is the
only option. Anyone moderating the board will be able to tell the difference
between someone genuinely conversing on a topic and somebody saying "F**k You"
every second or third word and making personal attacks.

> This is something we must now consider now that we have both the power
to make the chat room more pleasent but also the power to muzzle
fellow citizens who hold opposing (but sensible) points of view, to
stifle debate and to limit the free exchange of ideas.

Again, I honestly don't think that there will be a problem with moderation. So
far every chat room complaint has been against *major* disruption... people
being just as foul mouthed and viscious as they could possibly be. There's a
vast difference between that sort of behavior, and real discussion - or even
heated arguement! If a problem ever does occur with moderation it would of
course be dealt with. Citizens will not have to worry about being "censored"
by a moderator just because they don't agree with general opinion.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul


Subject:	Re: Names of the Months
From:	"RMerullo" merullo@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:06:15 -0400

Salvete

-----Original Message-----
From: Ricci raz--------@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:08 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Names of the Months

>From: Ricci raz--------@--------
>
>Salvete!
>
>I'm posting this to the entire list so as to get input from the folk who
are
>truly Latin enabled.

Well, I used to be very able. Nowadays I am a little disabled in nostra
lingua latina, but I'll comment anyway.
>
>My understanding, and my Latin dictionary has the months that end in "-ber"
>actually doing that in Latin. e.g October. My Latin dictionary has it as
>October -bris.
>The names are not in the form "Octobrus" like our calendar page shows. They
are
>actually
>September
>October
>November
>December.

You are quite right. The names should be fixed on the website as you have
pointed out.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus


Subject:	Re: Why Rome is in Rome, not in Veii
From:	"RMerullo" merullo@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:02:28 -0400

Maybe so, but I bet that a properly bedecked Flamen Dialis would look even
sillier.

-----Original Message-----
From: m--------oon@-------- m--------oon@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 10:08 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Why Rome is in Rome, not in Veii

>>
>Even if his apartment's big enough to house a small country?
>And Dex, did you ever wonder about that guy? He wears all that jewelry,
>those cute satin slippers, and he wears a dress with a lot of gold
>embroidery. Now, does that just shout "bad drag" or WHAT?
>
>Flavia Claudia

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus


Subject:	Re: Chat Issue
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:56:53 EDT

In a message dated 10/15/98 2:03:28 --------astern Daylight Time, Dexippus@--------
writes:

<<
I cannot get into Talk City. However, I do not want to be the one holding
everyone back. If the majority wish to go with Talk City, please make the
move. I have not been a frequent visitor to the chat room due to personal
evening commitments so I do not feel it right that I keep us from progress
just in the seldom event that I can join a chat every now and then.
>>

Luckily, we were able to solve the problem with Beseen.com! Now will we get to
see you in the chat more often, Dex? ;)

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


Subject:	Re: Why Rome is in Rome, not in Veii
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:28:20 EDT

In a message dated 98-10-15 00:36:58 EDT, you write:

<< And Dex, did you ever wonder about that guy? He wears all that jewelry,
those cute satin slippers, and he wears a dress with a lot of gold
embroidery. Now, does that just shout "bad drag" or WHAT? >>

Yeah, well...I forgot to mention that he's borrowing my wardrobe too!

--Dexippus


Subject:	CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	NovaRomaNH@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:06:13 EDT

Salvete, Omnes!

As many of us are aware, the first Elections within Nova Roma are approaching!

The first stage of the Election season is the declaring of candidacies for
various positions. If you're interested in taking a more active role within
Nova Roma, tomorrow, October 16th, is the first day in which prospective
Candidates for an office can announce their intentions. There's still time to
consider... the last day for entries is November 14th. Still, those choosing
to enter an election will gain more campaign time by entering themselves as
candidates as soon as they can. NOW is the time to check the "Cursus Honorum"
section of the Nova Roma website, and make your decision!

Please check the Constitution of Nova Roma for information about the various
magistracies within Nova Roma, and what they do.

Please do check the "Voting" section of the Cursus Honorum section for voting
procedures and times.

This current election, to be voted by the Citizens of Nova Roma, will be (I
believe, and will surely be corrected upon if wrong!) for the following
positions:

SENIOR CONSUL, JUNIOR CONSUL - Note, these candidates must run as a team. No
single applications please.

URBAN PRAETOR - There are two Urban praetors.

CURULE AEDILE - There are two Curule Aediles.

PLEBIAN AEDILE - There is one Plebian Aedile.

TRIBUNE OF THE PLEBS - There are two Tribune of the Plebs positions.

*Please*... consider your candidacy seriously! These positions go with real
work, and take time and effort. These things are not just empty titles!
Magistrates will be swamped with email, asked to solve problems, contacted by
surface mail, generally bugged by Citizens and genuinely have to invest hours
of time in most cases. All candidates should be fully prepared to be active
within their magistracies.

There are some positions which will NOT be voted on by Citizens in this
election, such as the Praetors of the different Provincia, which are
administered by the Senate.

And please, Citizens... while elections within Nova Roma are important, the
whole campaign and election procedure does not need to be a great problem or
fuss. Keeping questions short, debates simple, and discussions friendly will
help us all get through this with (hopefully) few headaches!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
"Lame Duck" Consul


Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	"Robert Woolwine" Alexious@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:25:59 -0700

Isnt Quaestor supposed to be elected too?

Also..does this mean we get Lictors?

Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Quaestor

-----Original Message-----
From: Nov------------------------ Nov------------------------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 9:07 AM
Subject: [novaroma] CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...

>From: Nov------------------------
>
>Salvete, Omnes!
>
>As many of us are aware, the first Elections within Nova Roma are
approaching!
>
>The first stage of the Election season is the declaring of candidacies for
>various positions. If you're interested in taking a more active role within
>Nova Roma, tomorrow, October 16th, is the first day in which prospective
>Candidates for an office can announce their intentions. There's still time
to
>consider... the last day for entries is November 14th. Still, those
choosing
>to enter an election will gain more campaign time by entering themselves as
>candidates as soon as they can. NOW is the time to check the "Cursus
Honorum"
>section of the Nova Roma website, and make your decision!
>
>Please check the Constitution of Nova Roma for information about the
various
>magistracies within Nova Roma, and what they do.
>
>Please do check the "Voting" section of the Cursus Honorum section for
voting
>procedures and times.
>
>This current election, to be voted by the Citizens of Nova Roma, will be (I
>believe, and will surely be corrected upon if wrong!) for the following
>positions:
>
>SENIOR CONSUL, JUNIOR CONSUL - Note, these candidates must run as a team.
No
>single applications please.
>
>URBAN PRAETOR - There are two Urban praetors.
>
>CURULE AEDILE - There are two Curule Aediles.
>
>PLEBIAN AEDILE - There is one Plebian Aedile.
>
>TRIBUNE OF THE PLEBS - There are two Tribune of the Plebs positions.
>
>*Please*... consider your candidacy seriously! These positions go with real
>work, and take time and effort. These things are not just empty titles!
>Magistrates will be swamped with email, asked to solve problems, contacted
by
>surface mail, generally bugged by Citizens and genuinely have to invest
hours
>of time in most cases. All candidates should be fully prepared to be active
>within their magistracies.
>
>There are some positions which will NOT be voted on by Citizens in this
>election, such as the Praetors of the different Provincia, which are
>administered by the Senate.
>
>And please, Citizens... while elections within Nova Roma are important, the
>whole campaign and election procedure does not need to be a great problem
or
>fuss. Keeping questions short, debates simple, and discussions friendly
will
>help us all get through this with (hopefully) few headaches!
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>"Lame Duck" Consul
>
>
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Subject:	quaestors
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:21:15 -0400 (EDT)

>Isnt Quaestor supposed to be elected too?

No, those are appointed by the consuls.

>Also..does this mean we get Lictors?

Getting licked is considered to be your own personal issue ... ;)
(sorry, couldn't resist...)

Patricia Cassia


Subject:	Re: Names of the Months
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:33:41 -0400 (EDT)

>Yes, you are right, the Latin for the above months is exactly the same as
>the English spellings. The spellings on the site were I believe merely an
>oversight.

Mea culpa, cives! I've fixed it. By the way, if anyone would like to write
up the holidays for the months Germanicus didn't get to doing, I'd welcome
the help.

Patricia Cassia

"Often the search proves more profitable than the goal." - E.L.Konigsburg


Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	Robin Harwood phlrrh@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:26:49 -0400 (EDT)

Any prizes for guessing what Dexippus will say about the prospect of
getting Lictors?

RH


Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	"RMerullo" merullo@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:42:30 -0400

Salvete Luci Corneli et alii cives et amici Novae Romae

Hmm...Is it really appropriate that I address you in such a friendly manner,
Luci Corneli? Just kidding.

The following is from Article III of the constitution (with numbering
reproduced from memory, sorry if any mistakes occur therein):
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7. A number of Quaestors shall be elected, as determined by the Senate, to
assist magistrates in their administrative and fiscal responsibilities.
Quaestors shall each be assigned by the Senate to a higher-ranking
magistrate to function as an assistant within the boundaries set forth
below. Each Quaestor shall have the following powers:

7. 1. administer public funds as disbursed by the Senate to pay for and
further the work of magistrates; and,

7. 2 generally assist in the administration of the duties of the magistrate
to whom the Quaestor is assigned.
-----------------------------
I assume, based on Marcus Cassius Iulianus' message, that the Senate has
determined that no quaestors will be needed for the upcoming year.

Now, your question highlights the fact that there seem to be differences
between practice in the Roman Republic and in Nova Roma. Nisi memoria me
fallit, both praetors and quaestors were elected by the people and then
assigned to provinces by the senate.

I suspect that Nova Roma is deviating purposely, to avoid people being
elected praetor, then not being able to do anything in any provincia
because, let's say, all the elected praetors live in the same provincia or
two. If you or I were elected praetors, for example, would you or I be
willing to move to Russia for a year? I dont think that I'm ready for that
just yet. But, how effective could we be at fulfilling magisterial duties
so remotely? The same problem could arise for quaestors.

What do others think about this?

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob--------Woolwin----------------us@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:27 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...

>From: "Rob--------Woolwin--------l--------us@--------
>
>Isnt Quaestor supposed to be elected too?
>
>Also..does this mean we get Lictors?
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla
>Quaestor
>
>


Subject:	Forwarded Newsletter - ADLOCVTIO :)
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:02:00 EDT

Salvete, Omnes,

This Roman reenactor newsletter is done by Matthew Amt of the 20th Legion. He
has most kindly given his permission for it to be posted to the Nova Roma
list. If you're interested in reenacting, enjoy! :)

ADLOCVTIO
NEWSLETTER OF THE TWENTIETH LEGION

Vol. VIII, no. x, October 1998

AFTER-ACTION REPORT: MARIETTA
It didn't rain!! Oh, it was a small event, just 4 guys plus Jane and
Olivia on Sunday, and it was hot, but it didn't rain! I guess the Rain Gods
finally decided that watering us wouldn't make us grow. Public attendance
over the weekend was low, only about 130 people, and we were pretty inactive
on Sunday, but there were some interesting and interested people and I think
we all had fun. Kevin and Shari MacGregor of Legio V Macedonica came from
Chicago to visit and see us in action. La Belle Compagnie was present in
more force than I had expected, with 3 tents and ten or twelve people. They
did some archery practice, and we did some pilum chucking. Mark and Mike
cooked a sumptuous repast on Saturday evening, with stew and little birds.
Most of us fled to the shady lawn near the house on Sunday because of the
heat, and next time we'll pitch the tent up there. (We just can't dig a
fire pit there.) Also, next fall we'll pick our own weekend and open it up
to other Roman-era groups, which I was hesitant to do this time because I
didn't want to overwhelm La Belle, the actual host group. A couple teachers
had been asking me for a schedule of activities, and I tried to convince
them that this was supposed to be our CASUAL weekend, not another Roman
Days! I wouldn't mind if it got a little bigger, though.
Best of all, it didn't rain!

INTEL
Dean Cunningham of Legio II Augusta in Portland sent this to me over a
month ago, but I neglected to include it last time.
"I just came back from Holland and Naples. I will never stay in Naples
again. The city is filthy and has little to redeem it. Pompeii,
Herculaneum, and the Villa Applontis were unreal! I BS'ed my way into the
library and the Museo National in Naples. Got to see Fiorelli's report on
military equipment found at Pompeii and Herculaneum. There was quite a bit
of military and gladiator equipment found (most now lost or turned to dust).

"The high point of my trip was meeting Henk-Jan an Maarten of the Gemina
Project [Legio X Gemina, Holland]. Maarten is a city archaeoligist of
Leiden. He took me into the depo and I got to paw artifacts and see
military equiptment not on display. Really really nice guys. I bought
exact reproductions of Samian pottery
(made from pressings done of the original molds).
"We Americans have a long way to go! The Gemina Project have access to so
much information I was sick and excited all at the same time. There are so
many types of everything that every soldier in the USA could have different
sword scabbards, belt plates and helmets. I saw helmets that are not in
Robinson or fit the typologies. It was eye opening! The sizes of the
helmets varied greatly, most were very form fitting looking. Even some of
the Montefortinos were very small. I saw some repro helmets from the UK.
They were amazing. Looked just as rough as the originals, unlike the shiny
perfect Simkins style stuff. He has single handedly given most US
reenactors a false sense of what the stuff REALLY looks like. By the way
the Montifortino that Jeff Williams [Stallari the armorer] made for Tom Kolb
looks almost exactly like one in the museum at Leiden! He should be happy
about that, I know it gave me a tingle."
-----------------------
In other news, Joe Piela of Lonely Mountain Forge has new goodies to show
on his website, <a href="http://members.aol.com/gijchar/forge.html" target="_top" >http://members.aol.com/gijchar/forge.html</a> , under "New
Items". The more I see of his stuff, the more I like it! (Good thing, cuz
he's making Bill Bennett's armor and helmet, and my Greek Corinthian!)
--Remember how we decided that the implement commonly known as a turf
cutter was more likely a bark stripper? Well, someone (ack! who?!) turned
up some more lore on the subject, and pointed out that this tool is quite
good for cutting UNDER a block of turf after the vertical cuts have been
made with a dolabra or other tool. In that capacity it doesn't matter that
you can't step on it like a spade. And you can still use it for stripping
bark, too.

MORE ON TENTS
To last month's article on cheap Roman tents, Dan Peterson adds:
"On the subject of cloth tents, you might mention painting them to "look"
like leather. Acrylic paints are flexible, and would make a cheap cloth
waterproof as well. A couple of coats would remove all traces of the tent
being made of a woven material, and if some of the panels were slightly off
color it would make it that much more convincing. Attachment points, etc,
could still be made of leather." With this method you'd be sewing together
rectangles of canvas (c. 14"x20") so that they would look like panels of
goatskin. This would be particularly useful for someone making a film or
photos for publication. With my original cheap method the whole roof would
be one piece of fabric, since it's not trying to resemble leather.

LAMPS
Two places to get excellent reproduction oil lamps have come to my
attention. First is Gaukler Medieval Wares, 1052 Amphion St., Victoria,
British Columbia, Canada V8S 4G3, phone 250-595-1104, www.medievalwares.com/
They offer a 2nd century style lamp about 4 inches long, with hanging lugs
and choice of glazes, for $10.
Even nicer are the lamps from Moonstone Pottery (Barbara Flynn), 1439 6th
S--------Los Osos, CA, 805-528-6890, flynbar@-------- ,
www.thegrid.net/moonstonepottery They look like more of a first century
design and are decorated in at least two different motifs, for $23 apiece.

CYBEROME
Take a look at the revisions on the Models of the Roman Legion website,
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/6622/" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/6622/</a> You will find your Glorious
Leader's name and wisdom all over it, since I am now a World Authority on
the Roman Army (or at least willing to shoot my mouth off about most
anything!). You, too, can become a World Authority (or shooting mouth) by
sending your comments in to Mr. Brueggeman.
An artist named Mike Sly has a webpage showing some of his work, where you
will find a portrait of our own Titus Cornelius Flavius. The URL is
<a href="http://www.livinghistoryportraits.com" target="_top" >http://www.livinghistoryportraits.com</a> Check it out!

CATAPULT FOR SALE, $650--by Mike Kasner, Legio II
If you have ever had the urge to hurl, this is the machine for you. It is
a full sized, Roman style, torsion catapult known as an onager. And, while
it is a lot of fun, it is not a toy. This is a real war machine capable of
throwing a five pound projectile the length of a football field, and it won
first place in the SCA 30 year anniversary War Machine Competition in 1996.
It fits into the bed of a full size pickup for ease of transportation and is
ready to go into action with a few turns of the crank. Comes with a spare
throwing arm and a lot of expert advice from the builder. $650.00. For
more information contact:
Mike Kasner
3043 NE 35th Ave.
Portland, OR 97212
503-284-0114

CALENDAR
As usual, CONTACT QUINTUS WITH YOUR PLANS for these events!!
December ?--Bethlehem Market Place, Silver Spring, MD. No official word on
this yet, but it's usually the first Friday evening and Saturday afternoon
in December.
March 20-21 (probably)--Military Through the Ages, Jamestown, VA
April 10-11--Marching Through Time, Marietta Mansion, Glenn Dale, MD
Memorial Day weekend--The SCA Barony of Settmour Swamp, which was
represented at Roman Days by the 3 ladies who cooked great stuff all
weekend, has invited us to their Quest for Wit or Wisdom in mid-New Jersey.
Details as they become available. Wanna go?
May? June?--Roman Days. It was suggested that we move this up a couple
weeks so that teachers could bring their students. The date should be
settled soon.
------------------------
Still waiting for my jury duty notice, so don't be surprised if the
November issue is small/late/absent. And I probably won't be answering much
email for a month sometime between now and New Years. I have been
practicing for my participation in this nation's venerable judicial process
by jumping up and down and screaming, "GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!" Mistrial
city, oh yeah.
ADLOCVTIO has been convicted of being the official monthly newsletter of
the Twentieth Legion, and the Editor had better not use any more of the
legal system jokes that have been popping into his head... In a normal
world, you might find the Editor, Matthew "Quintus" Amt, at 9416 Rhode
Island Ave., College Park, MD 20740-1639. Phone 301-345-0582, email
mamt@-------- . The Twentieth Legion web site is at
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/3761/index.htm" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/3761/index.htm</a>


Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:26:26 -0400

Ave et Salvete
>
>Isnt Quaestor supposed to be elected too?
>
I think so, I've sent a note to M Cassius Iulinaus.

>Also..does this mean we get Lictors?
>>Lucius Cornelius Sulla, Quaestor

Nope, Quaestores don't rate Lictores.

Valete, L Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus


Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	Robin Harwood phlrrh@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:49:16 -0400 (EDT)

I'm still waiting to see what Dexippus has to say about lictors.

RH


Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:02:09 EDT

In a message dated 10/15/98 2:06:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
iadams@-------- writ--------br>
<<
Why should these be required to run as a team? That's not how it was
originally done (i.e., in Roma Antiqua). While candidates for consul
often did pair up, I don't think it was required in order to run.
>>

I honestly don't have specific references to hand, but I recall reading from
several sources that the Consular candidates were chosen as a team beforehand.
I could of course be completely wrong!! ;) If anyone wants to check this out
on a more scholarly basis, they're invited to.

The team system does seem to make some sort of sense... at least you'd be
assured of having Consuls who were in accord with each other. That's why the
U.S. runs the President and Vice president as a team in modern times, yes?

Marcus Cassius Julianus


Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:05:51 EDT

In a message dated 10/15/98 1:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Al--------us@-------- writ--------br>
> Isnt Quaestor supposed to be elected too?

I don't believe so. Quaestors are appointed by the Consuls, or by the Senate,
to oversee specific tasks. They weren't a voted position as far as I've ever
seen. (Of course, with MY luck, the Nova Roma Constitution will completely
disprove that...)

> Also..does this mean we get Lictors?

No. ;)

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Your "Pleased to be getting a rest come December" Consul


Subject:	Re: Chat issue
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:40:09 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Masterofhistory wrote:

> From: Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------..

> I agree with this excellent suggestion, however realize that it
> carries no weight. Consider that if there is a disagreement in the
> chat room; for example someone adds their disenting opinion, are they
> likely to get the boot? If so, does the "booted" individual have a
> course of action against the persons who administered the
> defenestration? We definitely need a course of action should such
> cases arise. Perhaps a clause in the Nova Roman Constitution or in
> the Praetor's Edict.

This is definitely *not* something that should be put into the
Constitution under the worst of circumstances. Anyway, let's see how
things go in the new room before deciding on what action, if any, should
be taken.

Palladius

Praetor Urbanus, Censor

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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
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Extant 331-363 A.D.


Subject:	Dual office of consul - why it is important
From:	"RMerullo" merullo@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:41:13 -0400

Ave Consul Marce Cassi et salvete cives et amici Novae Romae

I believe that the practice in the Roman Republic was that the candidate who
got the most votes became senior consul, while the one the runner-up became
junior consul.

While the team system does have the merit of accord between the two
magistrates, I would like to point out that, in a sense, such accord was the
very last thing the ancient founders of the Republic probably sought. If
they had, why bother having two consuls with equal powers? The junior
consul was not a vice consul; he had all the same powers.

I believe that the system was devised within memory of the rule over Rome of
the kings. The dual office of consul was probably designed to provide a
balanced senior magistracy that would impede the ambitions of any single
would-be king.

And, come to think of it, I think that this duality of the highest office
was a very wise choice and one that we Novaromani ought to keep.

Another interesting thing about the office of consul is the regular
(monthly?) passage of imperium from one consul to the other; the lictors of
the consul with imperium bore fasces, right? Do we have fasces? This
passage of imperium applied when both consuls were in Rome, I think; I dont
think that it was extended to the field when a consular army was marching to
defend Rome. Of course, we wouldnt have to worry about the latter case,
since our Nova Roma is not fixed geographically as was Roma Antiqua.

Valete
Vivat Roma

Gaius Marius Merullus

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To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 3:04 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...

>From: C--------us622@--------
>
>In a message dated 10/15/98 2:06:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>iadams@-------- writ--------/font>
>
><<
> Why should these be required to run as a team? That's not how it was
> originally done (i.e., in Roma Antiqua). While candidates for consul
> often did pair up, I don't think it was required in order to run.
> >>
>
>I honestly don't have specific references to hand, but I recall reading
from
>several sources that the Consular candidates were chosen as a team
beforehand.
>I could of course be completely wrong!! ;) If anyone wants to check this
out
>on a more scholarly basis, they're invited to.
>
>The team system does seem to make some sort of sense... at least you'd be
>assured of having Consuls who were in accord with each other. That's why
the
>U.S. runs the President and Vice president as a team in modern times, yes?
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
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Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:52:08 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 C--------us622@-------- wrote:

> From: C--------us622@--------
>
> In a message dated 10/15/98 1:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Al--------us@-------- writ--------/font>
>
> > Isnt Quaestor supposed to be elected too?
>
> I don't believe so. Quaestors are appointed by the Consuls, or by the Senate,
> to oversee specific tasks. They weren't a voted position as far as I've ever
> seen. (Of course, with MY luck, the Nova Roma Constitution will completely
> disprove that...)

I point it out but for some reason the Nova Roma Constitution states
that the Comitia Populi elects Quaestors but the Senate determines how
many Quaestors are needed and in what capacity they are to serve.

Palladius

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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca

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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.


Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:54:56 -0400 (EDT)

Just correcting an omission fron this message and posting it again.

> From: "D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 C--------us622@-------- wrote:
>
> > From: C--------us622@--------
> >
> > In a message dated 10/15/98 1:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > Al--------us@-------- writ--------/font>
> >
> > > Isnt Quaestor supposed to be elected too?
> >
> > I don't believe so. Quaestors are appointed by the Consuls, or by the Senate,
> > to oversee specific tasks. They weren't a voted position as far as I've ever
> > seen. (Of course, with MY luck, the Nova Roma Constitution will completely
> > disprove that...)
>
I hate to point it out but for some reason the Nova Roma Constitution
states
that the Comitia Populi elects Quaestors but the Senate determines how
many Quaestors are needed and in what capacity they are to serve.

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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca

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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, D. Iunius Palladius wrote:


Subject:	Re: Dual office of consul - why it is important
From:	"Robert Woolwine" Alexious@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:54:34 -0700

There are definate example throughout the Ancient republic when consuls did
not act as a team. Such as Lepidus and Catalus, and Caesar and Bibulius.
So, historically, it was never a forethought or prerequiste.

-----Original Message-----
From: RMerullo merullo@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:43 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Dual office of consul - why it is important

>From: "RMerullo" merullo@--------
>
>Ave Consul Marce Cassi et salvete cives et amici Novae Romae
>
>I believe that the practice in the Roman Republic was that the candidate
who
>got the most votes became senior consul, while the one the runner-up became
>junior consul.
>
>While the team system does have the merit of accord between the two
>magistrates, I would like to point out that, in a sense, such accord was
the
>very last thing the ancient founders of the Republic probably sought. If
>they had, why bother having two consuls with equal powers? The junior
>consul was not a vice consul; he had all the same powers.
>
>I believe that the system was devised within memory of the rule over Rome
of
>the kings. The dual office of consul was probably designed to provide a
>balanced senior magistracy that would impede the ambitions of any single
>would-be king.
>
>And, come to think of it, I think that this duality of the highest office
>was a very wise choice and one that we Novaromani ought to keep.
>
>Another interesting thing about the office of consul is the regular
>(monthly?) passage of imperium from one consul to the other; the lictors
of
>the consul with imperium bore fasces, right? Do we have fasces? This
>passage of imperium applied when both consuls were in Rome, I think; I
dont
>think that it was extended to the field when a consular army was marching
to
>defend Rome. Of course, we wouldnt have to worry about the latter case,
>since our Nova Roma is not fixed geographically as was Roma Antiqua.
>
>Valete
>Vivat Roma
>
>Gaius Marius Merullus
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: C--------us622@-------- C--------us622@--------
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 3:04 PM
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
>
>
>>From: C--------us622@--------
>>
>>In a message dated 10/15/98 2:06:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>iadams@-------- writ--------/font>
>>
>><<
>> Why should these be required to run as a team? That's not how it was
>> originally done (i.e., in Roma Antiqua). While candidates for consul
>> often did pair up, I don't think it was required in order to run.
>> >>
>>
>>I honestly don't have specific references to hand, but I recall reading
>from
>>several sources that the Consular candidates were chosen as a team
>beforehand.
>>I could of course be completely wrong!! ;) If anyone wants to check this
>out
>>on a more scholarly basis, they're invited to.
>>
>>The team system does seem to make some sort of sense... at least you'd be
>>assured of having Consuls who were in accord with each other. That's why
>the
>>U.S. runs the President and Vice president as a team in modern times, yes?
>>
>>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>>
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Subject:	chat issues&elections
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:01:59 -0700 (PDT)

Salvere iubeo.

I urge you in the government to reconsider the idea of providing some
written assurances to back up chat room etiquette. The minute the air
turns sour or someone's remarks are misread, people will be reaching
for the buttons, I have seen it happen. It really destroys any
friendships and camaraderie that may have formed in an online group.
The responses I have received on this matter reflect, I think, the
usual retreat by the Senate and magistrates on the serious issues that
should be dealt with when running an organization.

On the electoral issue. Consuls on occasion stood as a team, notable
examples are Crassus/Pompey and Cato/Flaccus. Often it was a field of
several individuals with similar credentials. The terms senior and
junior really do not apply to the Consuls unless one considers the
vote count. Both elected Consuls had the same authority when they held
Imperium and they both held the power of intercessio (that is the veto
against the other Consul). TJ Cornell discusses the Consulship in his
book The Beginnings of Rome, I'll dig up some other sources soon.

Quaestors were elected and sometimes appointed in ancient Rome, either
way, they were the most junior of the magistrates. The Nova Roman
Constitution does state that they can be appointed or elected (?)

Avidius Tullius Qf Callidus, Praedans
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia


Subject:	booting and chat ethics
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:59:25 -0400 (EDT)

Right now the "boot" feature in the chat room is configured so that two
people must agree to boot the unruly chatter. I'm hearing some concerns
about free speech and open debate, and those are valid concerns.

We can very easily change that setting so that, say, 5 or more people are
required to boot someone. I think that would be sufficient to ensure that
debate stays open. What say you all?

Patricia Cassia


Subject:	Re: booting and chat ethics
From:	"Robert Woolwine" Alexious@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:47:02 -0700

3 people should be sufficient...How many people on average visit the chat
room...I think 3 people would be a good average.
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From: p-------- p--------@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 2:42 PM
Subject: [novaroma] booting and chat ethics

>From: p-------- p--------@--------
>
>Right now the "boot" feature in the chat room is configured so that two
>people must agree to boot the unruly chatter. I'm hearing some concerns
>about free speech and open debate, and those are valid concerns.
>
>We can very easily change that setting so that, say, 5 or more people are
>required to boot someone. I think that would be sufficient to ensure that
>debate stays open. What say you all?
>
>Patricia Cassia
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: booting and chat ethics
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT)

I am often there alone with the Lemures.
They know my full repertoire (singing) now!!!

A.I.C Nocturnia

---Rob--------Woolwin----------------us@-------- wrot--------r> >
> From: "Rob--------Woolwin--------l--------us@--------
>
> 3 people should be sufficient...How many people on average visit the
chat
> room...I think 3 people would be a good average.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: p-------- p--------@--------
> To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 2:42 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] booting and chat ethics
>
>
> >From: p-------- p--------@--------
> >
> >Right now the "boot" feature in the chat room is configured so that
two
> >people must agree to boot the unruly chatter. I'm hearing some
concerns
> >about free speech and open debate, and those are valid concerns.
> >
> >We can very easily change that setting so that, say, 5 or more
people are
> >required to boot someone. I think that would be sufficient to
ensure that
> >debate stays open. What say you all?
> >
> >Patricia Cassia
> >
> >
> >
>
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Subject:	Re: booting and chat ethics
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:41:30 -0700

> We can very easily change that setting so that, say, 5 or more people are
> required to boot someone. I think that would be sufficient to ensure that
> debate stays open. What say you all?
>
> Patricia Cassia
>

I think more than two will be necessary, because I have experienced more than
two
of the unp[leasant personages in the chat room at a time. We don't want Them
to boot Us! Right?

Other than that, I can't think of a number. Any suggestions?

Ericius.


Subject:	Re: booting and chat ethics
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:16:44 -0400

pjane wrote:
>
> From: p-------- p--------@--------
>
> Right now the "boot" feature in the chat room is configured so that two
> people must agree to boot the unruly chatter. I'm hearing some concerns
> about free speech and open debate, and those are valid concerns.

Do we really have citizens who are so petty that they'd boot anyone who
disagreed with them?

>
> We can very easily change that setting so that, say, 5 or more people are
> required to boot someone. I think that would be sufficient to ensure that
> debate stays open. What say you all?
>
There usually aren't many more than 5 people in the chat room, and
frequently less.

-- Claudia


Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:25:12 EDT

In a message dated 98-10-15 17:06:25 EDT, you write:

<< I'm still waiting to see what Dexippus has to say about lictors.
>>

Lictors? I just met her!

-Dexippus


Subject:	Re: CANDIDATES FOR UPCOMING ELECTIONS...
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:45:36 -0500 (CDT)

Though I am not running for any political office this year I would
be happy to help out a little and be on someones staff officially. As it
was stated there can be a lot of work involved sometimes and maybe a few
volunteers could make things easier and more efficient.

For our chat room I prefer the ignore option myself - 3 to boot should
be good though in times of need-lol.

Gaius Drusus Domitianus