Subject:	Re: First Booting/Chatroom Problems
From:	michael marconi mdm8@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:59:32 -0400

Salvete!

I've been having allot of trouble getting into the new chatroom-pert near
impossible! But, I have been reading the various e-mails and reading the message
board. So I am still up to date with Nova Roma's activities. One thing that
bothers me is the apparent widespread panic over our 'visitors' that are or are
not playing by the rules. The only response I hear is - boot them ! What are you,
and you know who I am referring to, so dame afraid of , lies, truths or the
reality that ones own artificial make believe world is suddenly crashing down on
your meek and humble heads. You who say that these visitors are rude, racial and
unintelligent are the first to dame Christianity and anything that doesn't follow
your God-like perfect values. Oh! Some of you upset me to no end. Now which of you
pomp and pious Romans wish to boot me? Reality is harsh. If you have the
opportunity to do some traveling, I would advise you to do it. Don't just travel
in the safe lilly white areas but venture into the more unsavory ones- than you
might change some of your arrogant, pacifist and humanitarian beliefs. That is
Reality!

Valete
Lucius Marconius Romanus


Nov------------------------ wrote:

> From: Nov------------------------
>
> Salvete, Omnes!
>
> Seems we've underestimated the Hoi Palloi on this one! We're now on phase two
> of this chatroom experiment. I've upped the number of people required to boot
> someone to FIVE people... and have raised the boot time to ten minutes. We'll
> see what happens.
>
> HOWEVER, the best solution is for Citizens just to use the "ignore" feature
> when someone begins to disrupt the room. That is *truly* the only way to rend
> these idiots powerless.
>
> To ignore someone in the chatroom, just type a backslash and a small i, then
> leave a space, and type in the person's handle EXACTLY as they've written it:
> "/i Handle". The person you want to ignore will go away completely... even all
> their prior messages will be deleted!!
>
> This solution works perfectly. I just went to the chatroom myself, and was
> able to cut off the heckler in the room instantly. Left him completely without
> options!
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Consul
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Subject:	Re: First Booting/Chatroom Problems
From:	Mike Macnair m.macnair@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:58:41 +0100

Sorry if this is technologically naive, but has anyone considered password
protection i.e. making the chatroom facility only accessible to citizens?

(I don't use it myself because of time differences)

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister

Subject:	Re: First Booting/Chatroom Problems - 'Marconius'
From:	Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:28:30 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete, quirites!
I agree with Claudia that the recent post which appeared to be
from Marconius was somewhat out of order. However, in light of what's
been happening recently in the chat-room (with impersonations, etc.),
I think we should step back for a minute, and make damn sure that
messages on this list are from who they purport to be before we
condemn bona fide citizens.
Unfortunately, it is quite easy to fake e-mail so that it looks
like it comes from someone it doesn't. I know, because someone's done
that to me in the past, and nearly got me kicked out of University for
messages I hadn't sent.
Yep, that message could be from Marconius - if so, I wasn't too
impressed. But we have to remember that it also might not be.
Valete,
Aprica.





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Subject:	Re: First Booting/Chatroom Problems
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:36:36 EDT

In a message dated 10/19/98 6:03:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, m.macnair@ktru-
main.lancs.ac.uk (M. Mucius Scaevola Magister) writes:

> Sorry if this is technologically naive, but has anyone considered password
protection i.e. making the chatroom facility only accessible to citizens?

This idea HAS come up... but there are drawbacks to every answer. There would
be nothing to prevent anyone wanting to disrupt the board from registering as
a Citizen for free, and getting the password. Even if we found a system that
would take an individual password from each Citizen, there would be no way for
us to verify which password was being used to disrupt the board.

The Beseen.com solution IS working at this point. Everyone has to register
with a handle so there are no anonymous posts... and the Ignore function
insures that people trying to disrupt the board, AND their Action Feature
comments, can be ignored without anyone having to comment on them. Also, no
one has to be booted in such a case. The rule simply becomes that anyone who
can't talk like an adult ends up talking to themselves.

>(I don't use it myself because of time differences)

And that's the OTHER downfall of the chat... not getting to talk with people
from all time zones! ;) If it's any help, Mucius... there are often people in
the Taverna at all times of day. It *is* a fun place, and worth going to, now
that most of the problems seem to be dealt with!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

Subject:	Re: First Booting/Chatroom Problems - 'Marconius'
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:49:06 EDT

In a message dated 10/19/98 6:29:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@-------- writes:

>Salvete, quirites!
I agree with Claudia that the recent post which appeared to be
from Marconius was somewhat out of order. However, in light of what's
been happening recently in the chat-room (with impersonations, etc.),
I think we should step back for a minute, and make damn sure that
messages on this list are from who they purport to be before we
condemn bona fide citizens.

Hopefully there won't be anyone condemming anyone... even if there happen to
be different opinions about the chat. This whole situation at it's core really
isn't anything much! We've had a couple of "Beavis and Butthead" type
teenagers making a lot of potty references on the board, and really did need
to come up with a way to filter that kind of nonsense out of the chat. The
Ignore feature works for this, if we don't mind filtering out individual
Action Feature comments until they get board from a lack of feedback and go
away. They left in defeat yesterday morning, and didn't come to the board at
ALL last night! :)

> Unfortunately, it is quite easy to fake e-mail so that it looks
like it comes from someone it doesn't. I know, because someone's done
that to me in the past, and nearly got me kicked out of University for
messages I hadn't sent.
Yep, that message could be from Marconius - if so, I wasn't too
impressed. But we have to remember that it also might not be.

If this message didn't come from Marconius, I'm sure we'll hear about it. If
it DID, then somebody just got angry over circumstances they were confused
about. The person posting that message *did* say they hadn't been able to go
to the chatroom much, but had gotten the impression that we were trying to
"boot" people from the chat over differences of opinion. That WOULD be bad.
However, it wasn't the case at all... we've just been trying to deal with
juveniles who think talking about sex and poop are "really cool"!

On the brighter side... the chat room *does* seem to be usable again, so with
any luck we'll be able to move on to more productive things.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

Subject:	Epistola Consul Quinto Caecilio Metello (Att. This is part of the campaign of Antonius Gryllus Graecus for Tribune Plebis office)
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:40:13 +0100

Salve Consul Metellus!

Dear Consul,

When I annouced my candidacy, I told the people of Nova Roma that one of my
objectives was to watch over the lobbies that tend to keep the power always
in the same hands, preventing the legitimate right of any citizen to
actively participate in the political life of the state.
When I said this, I was thinking about the future, not the present.
Today, we received your unbelievable annoucement that you, dear Consul,
would be running to be elected Tribune Plebis!!!! What's your objective?
Don't you have the courage to defy Decius Iunius Palladius and Lucius
Equitius Cincinnatus? Or are you making part of a plot of the high-rank
magistracies to control the will of the people by controling the very same
offices of the greatest defenders of the people's rights: the Tribunes?
What I think is that you are not telling everything the people must know.
Vale Consul Metellus!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Subject:	Re: Epistola Consul Quinto Caecilio Metello
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:32:53 EDT

Salvete,

In the interest of keeping the facts known, Quintius Caecilius Metellus CANNOT
run again for Consul in the next election. When he agreed to assist Nova Roma
by stepping into the Consulship for the remaining three months of Germanicus'
term, he did it on the contingency that he would not stand for re-election as
Consul in the coming elections. Making sure that power does not remain always
in the same hands has been a concern for us all... therefore I am voluntarily
not standing for re-election as Consul this term either.

Marcus Cassius Julianus


In a message dated 10/19/98 9:37:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
amg@-------- writes:

<<
When I annouced my candidacy, I told the people of Nova Roma that one of my
objectives was to watch over the lobbies that tend to keep the power always
in the same hands, preventing the legitimate right of any citizen to
actively participate in the political life of the state.
When I said this, I was thinking about the future, not the present.
Today, we received your unbelievable annoucement that you, dear Consul,
would be running to be elected Tribune Plebis!!!! What's your objective?
Don't you have the courage to defy Decius Iunius Palladius and Lucius
Equitius Cincinnatus? Or are you making part of a plot of the high-rank
magistracies to control the will of the people by controling the very same
offices of the greatest defenders of the people's rights: the Tribunes?
What I think is that you are not telling everything the people must know.
Vale Consul Metellus!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
>>

Subject:	Re: First Booting/Chatroom Problems
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:42:57 -0400

>Sorry if this is technologically naive, but has anyone considered password
>protection i.e. making the chatroom facility only accessible to citizens?
>
>(I don't use it myself because of time differences)
>
>M. Mucius Scaevola Magister


Ave et Salvete
Yes, I suggested it yesterday to Consul M Cassius. He wants to have us
try using the ignore function for awhile to see if that will work.
BTW you should come to the chat room when ever you can. You would be
suprised at how many citizens have "odd hours".
Thanks for the suggestion, more heads are better than one :-)
Valete L Equitius Cincinnatus

Subject:	Re: ELECTIONS
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:51:42 -0400

Antonio M. R. C. Grilo wrote:

> From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>
> Salve Consul Metellus!
>
> Dear Consul,
>
> When I annouced my candidacy, I told the people of Nova Roma that one of my
> objectives was to watch over the lobbies that tend to keep the power always
> in the same hands, preventing the legitimate right of any citizen to
> actively participate in the political life of the state.
> When I said this, I was thinking about the future, not the present.
> Today, we received your unbelievable annoucement that you, dear Consul,
> would be running to be elected Tribune Plebis!!!! What's your objective?
> Don't you have the courage to defy Decius Iunius Palladius and Lucius
> Equitius Cincinnatus? Or are you making part of a plot of the high-rank
> magistracies to control the will of the people by controling the very same
> offices of the greatest defenders of the people's rights: the Tribunes?
> What I think is that you are not telling everything the people must know.
> Vale Consul Metellus!
>
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> (Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Oh great. We're starting our first elections with negative campaigning?
Just great. Well, I guess this is how it was done in ancient Rome -- and has
certainly been refined in U.S. elections for the past few years!

But if any of you candidates produce a Paula Jones, I'm outta here!

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Negative campaigning...
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:27:05 +0100

Salvete omnes, and specially those envisaged in my last email Epistola.

>>Oh great. We're starting our first elections with negative campaigning?
>>Just great. Well, I guess this is how it was done in ancient Rome.
Yes, it was really my intention to reproduce a probable speech in ancient
Rome =). I had no personal intentions to harm Consul Metellus, who I have in
great esteem (as well as Consul Cassius).

As I have stated in the subject of my email, the Epistola was part of my
campaign. I'm sorry that this warning did not stay visible enough. As such,
I propose the following for campaigning messages:

1) Title says: Campaign of XXXXX (name of the person) for the office of YYYY
(name of the office)
2) Campaigning content will be only in the text part.

In this way, the citizens can select whether to read the messages or not.

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

-----Original Message-----
From: m--------oon@-------- m--------oon@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:02 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: ELECTIONS


>From: m--------oon@--------
>
>
>
>Antonio M. R. C. Grilo wrote:
>
>> From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>>
>> Salve Consul Metellus!
>>
>> Dear Consul,
>>
>> When I annouced my candidacy, I told the people of Nova Roma that one of
my
>> objectives was to watch over the lobbies that tend to keep the power
always
>> in the same hands, preventing the legitimate right of any citizen to
>> actively participate in the political life of the state.
>> When I said this, I was thinking about the future, not the present.
>> Today, we received your unbelievable annoucement that you, dear Consul,
>> would be running to be elected Tribune Plebis!!!! What's your objective?
>> Don't you have the courage to defy Decius Iunius Palladius and Lucius
>> Equitius Cincinnatus? Or are you making part of a plot of the high-rank
>> magistracies to control the will of the people by controling the very
same
>> offices of the greatest defenders of the people's rights: the Tribunes?
>> What I think is that you are not telling everything the people must know.
>> Vale Consul Metellus!
>>
>> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>> (Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
>
>Oh great. We're starting our first elections with negative campaigning?
>Just great. Well, I guess this is how it was done in ancient Rome -- and
has
>certainly been refined in U.S. elections for the past few years!
>
>But if any of you candidates produce a Paula Jones, I'm outta here!
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
>
>
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Subject:	Re: ELECTIONS
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:37:16 -0500

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:51:42 -0400 m--------oon@-------- wr--------:

>Oh great. We're starting our first elections with negative
>campaigning?
>Just great. Well, I guess this is how it was done in ancient Rome --
>and has
>certainly been refined in U.S. elections for the past few years!
>
>But if any of you candidates produce a Paula Jones, I'm outta here!
>
>-- Flavia Claudia

te-he Suddenly I don't miss Chicago so much :-)

I'm with Flavia Claudia. And no dead people voting (my mother voted for
Daley 5 times in the last election -- she'd been dead about 15 years at
the time) :-) However I *can* be bought (yes, I'm kidding!!).

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Subject:	Re: Negative campaigning...
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:51:52 EDT

Salvete,

If it's any help, I personally DID get the impression that Antonius Gryllus
Graecus' campaign posting was simply an attempt to re-create an ancient
Tribune of the Plebs camaign speech.

One note, however... I will step in to correct facts about Nova Roma itself if
needed, as I did with Graceus' post. Other than that no one's campaign is
limited, and because of that Graceus' suggestions for clearly marking posts
below will be helpful!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

In a message dated 10/19/98 11:27:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
amg@-------- writes:

<<
From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------

Salvete omnes, and specially those envisaged in my last email Epistola.

>>Oh great. We're starting our first elections with negative campaigning?
>>Just great. Well, I guess this is how it was done in ancient Rome.
Yes, it was really my intention to reproduce a probable speech in ancient
Rome =). I had no personal intentions to harm Consul Metellus, who I have in
great esteem (as well as Consul Cassius).

As I have stated in the subject of my email, the Epistola was part of my
campaign. I'm sorry that this warning did not stay visible enough. As such,
I propose the following for campaigning messages:

1) Title says: Campaign of XXXXX (name of the person) for the office of YYYY
(name of the office)
2) Campaigning content will be only in the text part.

In this way, the citizens can select whether to read the messages or not.

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
>>

Subject:	Re: First Booting
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:39:28 EDT

Is there a way to get the chatroom to asign a passcode for all Nova Romans to
use? This way only Nova Romans can get in. I know it might shut out
legitimate outsiders from taking part in conversation, but I say we need to
protect ourselves first.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Negative campaigning...
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:52:23 -0400

Antonio M. R. C. Grilo wrote:

> From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>
> Salvete omnes, and specially those envisaged in my last email Epistola.
>
> >>Oh great. We're starting our first elections with negative campaigning?
> >>Just great. Well, I guess this is how it was done in ancient Rome.
> Yes, it was really my intention to reproduce a probable speech in ancient
> Rome =). I had no personal intentions to harm Consul Metellus, who I have in
> great esteem (as well as Consul Cassius).
>
> As I have stated in the subject of my email, the Epistola was part of my
> campaign. I'm sorry that this warning did not stay visible enough. As such,
> I propose the following for campaigning messages:
>
> 1) Title says: Campaign of XXXXX (name of the person) for the office of YYYY
> (name of the office)
> 2) Campaigning content will be only in the text part.
>
> In this way, the citizens can select whether to read the messages or not.
>
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> (Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
>
> What a good idea!

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	campaigning
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:00:40 -0400

I think that re-creating the electioneering speeches from the Republic
is a terrific idea and an educational one! But let's remember that
there's nothing really personal being said, let's not be too touchy (or
bitchy!), and when it's over -- IT'S OVER!

It's serious, but it's fun. We're all friends here, and let's stay that
way.

Personally, I vote for whever promises more bread, more circuses, bigger
& better gladiatorial events, and a nice free buffet for all Citizens on
election day!
(and Lictors for Vestals -- why should I carry my own salsa mola through
the Roman streets?)

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: First Booting/Chatroom Problems
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:54:27 EDT

In a message dated 98-10-18 20:55:47 EDT, you write:

<< The only response I hear is - boot them ! What are you,
and you know who I am referring to, so dame afraid of , lies, truths or the
reality that ones own artificial make believe world is suddenly crashing down
on
your meek and humble heads. You who say that these visitors are rude, racial
and
unintelligent are the first to dame Christianity and anything that doesn't
follow
your God-like perfect values. Oh! Some of you upset me to no end. Now which
of you pomp and pious Romans wish to boot me? Reality is harsh. If you have
the
opportunity to do some traveling, I would advise you to do it. Don't just
travel
in the safe lilly white areas but venture into the more unsavory ones- than
you
might change some of your arrogant, pacifist and humanitarian beliefs. >>

This is out of left field! I don't know what to think of it....

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: First Booting/Chatroom Problems
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:23:07 -0400

><< The only response I hear is - boot them ! What are you,
> and you know who I am referring to, so dame afraid of <Large snip> might
change some of your arrogant, pacifist and humanitarian beliefs. >>
>
>This is out of left field! I don't know what to think of it....
>
>--Dexippus

Salvete
This is an example of what happens when the "three minute rule" is
not observed. The Three Minute Rule is when you enter a discussion wait
three minutes before you say anything so you know what the hell is going on.
Valete Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

BTW I don't always follow my own rule, Doh!

Subject:	Re: Michael Grant's Constantine
From:	Oplontian@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:04:43 EDT

Salvete,
Another book catalog arrived in the mail today, and it offered something
interesting - a biography "Constantine the Great" by Michael Grant. The book
supposedly offers a balanced view of Constantine, free of both Christian and
Pagan bias. It sounds good, but before I run out and buy it I thought I would
ask for opinions - has anyone read this book ? Is it good, bad, worth reading
? Any thoughts, anyone ? It would be nice to have a rational account of
Constantine's era, to offset the sectarian treatises that are usually passed
off as the history of the fourth century ce. And before anyone gets over
excited - I am just looking for opinions on a particular book, not suggesting
that we revive the fourth century.
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus

Subject:	Re: Michael Grant's Constantine
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:33:45 -0400

Oplonti--------... wrote:
>
>
> It sounds good, but before I run out and buy it I thought I would
> ask for opinions - has anyone read this book ? Is it good, bad, worth reading
> ? Any thoughts, anyone ?

My advice is: don't buy it. Support your local Library!
Check it out, and if it's good, then buy a copy!
And as a writer with books to push, I should probably be ashamed of
myself.....

F. Claudia