| Subject: |
Re: Michael Grant's Constantine |
| From: |
Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:08:20 -0400 |
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legion6@-------- wrote:
> From: legion6@--------
>
> >Hiss Boo (Thumbs down!!) I LOATH Michael Grant........
> >
> >Pythia...(snarling....)
>
> Thank you for sharing.
>
> In all seriousness, do you really think you're helping a fellow Citizen
> decide on reading material by such statements? Unless you (or anyone
> speaking on the subject) can provide a cogent reason
> *why*..........................<snip>
I find Michael Grant to be obnoxious. He has no scholarly background, and he
doesn't ask for any help from anyone who does.He reminds me of the mentality
of British Colonials of the last century who figured that based on the
strength of their British educations, and their "good" intentions , this put
them in some sort of "expert" position. So I don't like him, and his recent
Alexander thing on PBS really ticked me off.....OKAY?
lol, really Marius, you didn't need to scold me.........
Pythia....(muttering...)......
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Cursus honorum, specifically, praetors, was Re: Election of praetors and other |
| From: |
"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:43:11 -0400 (EDT) |
|
On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, RMerullo wrote:
> From: "RMerullo" merullo@--------
>
> Salvete Luci Equiti et alii
>
> Thanks for your answers. I understand a bit better now.
Salve! You ask excellent questions and I hope my answers will be nearly as
good.
> > You need to do some study on the Cursus Honorum.
>
> Do you mean the Cursus Honorum of Rome or the Cursus Honorum of Nova Roma?
> I think that, as we are just starting and there are only about 150 of us, we
> are still building the Cursus Honorum of Nova Roma. I would think that it
> would mirror the Cursus Honorum of Rome as closely as possible, in
> accordance with the restorative aims of Nova Roma in general. With that in
> mind, I assumed that you were referring to the older Cursus Honorum.
He was but he was also referring to the cursus honorum of Nova Roma to
which we hope the spirit of the ancient way of honor has been
transplanted. The form is somewhat different for several reasons. The
Roman Republic lasted nearly 500 years and its system changed throughout
those years. In the preparation for the founding of Nova Roma, and in the
months that followed the Founding, a system was put together that tried to
borrow what were deemed the most relevant and useful parts of the Roman
political system throughout those years without comprimising the "Roman
integrity"--if you will allow the phrase--of the whole. I think we have
succeeded though it is admittedly not perfect. More below....
> I obeyed this directive, and found a very useful url for a handy guide to
> this topic: <a href="http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/</a>
I found the site quite interesting though incomplete on magistrates.
Just for comparison, the URL for the Constitution of Nova Roma, which
lists the various magistracies and functions for Nova Roma can be found at
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/constitution.html</a>
Each Nova Roma magistrate has some of the powers of the ancient. Some are
no longer relevant, such as those pertaining to military power, control of
the grain dole, etc.
> A link to this site can be found on the Nova Roma website as well. Anyway,
> if you go there, it lists all the magistrates, provides descriptions of
> their duties, and even summarizes this information in table form.
> The description of praetor from that page:
> "Praetor (6)
>
> This magistrates (sic) were in charge of judicial matters.
> They dealt with the law and with foreigners in Roman territory.
> They could introduce legislation through the assemblies, and held imperium
> power.
> When their term of office expired, the Senate allocated each Praetor on a
> propraetorship (sic).
> This involved either military leadership, provincial governorship, or
> control over special commissions
> (such as the forestry commission - silvae callesque, and the corn
> commission).
> Eventually, one did not need to be a praetor to obtain propraetorian powers.
> The Senate bestowed Cn. Pompey with propraetorian powers when he raised his
> army of mercenaries,
> yet he had not honoured the requirements for the office of propraetor."
>
> The number six in parentheses indicates that there were six (usually)
> praetors. If you look at the information on Praetor in the table, you'll
> see that the office was elected by the comitia centuriata, not appointed by
> the senate.
As for the numbers of praetors, they were increased to 6 in 555 A.U.C.
(198 B.C). However, the numbers changed over the years. In the early years
of the Republic, the Praetors were the chief magistrates, which in 367
B.C. were changed to Consul with 1 praetor. In 244 another was added and
kept increasing. Sulla increased the number up to 8. It was felt that 2
met the needs of Nova Roma perfectly. They are sort of "shadow-consuls" or
even consuls in training. 6 would be overkill at this point. There is no
praetor peregrinus in nova Roma. Since our laws do not apply to non Nova
Romans it was felt to be not a useful or relevant position. since for the
forseeable future Nova Roma will be mostly "virtual" we are all "in" the
city of Rome (our virtual new Rome anyway) so the Praetor Urbanus was
revived, 2 of them to be exact.
I think you are still under the impression that the Praetores Urbanii
of Nova Roma are appointed by the Senate. They are not, they are
**elected** by the Comitia Centuriatia, just as you say above. I refer you
to Article III, paragraph 4 of the Constitution and to Article IV,
paragraph 2. It clearly states that the Praetors are elected by the
Comitia Centuriatia.
For our first year, this year ending, all positions were filled by the
Senate in accordance with Article 1, paragraph 6 of the Constitution.
> I am not a senator, consul, praetor or anything else, but, can I propose
> that we discuss the election of praetors?
Of course you can. 2 will be elected in the upcoming elections. One
person. Lucius Cornelius Sulla, a very able candidate, has already
announced his candidacy for one of the positions.
>It seems to me that we should
> maintain the old way, elect 6 praetors, and then have the senate assign
> responsibilities such as those of Praetor Urbanus to them individually.
We only need 3 quaestors, 6 praetors would be overkill I believe. I
honestly think the current system of 2 is adequete for our needs--at least
for the moment.
> >and we have to start somewhere. So why don't you apply for an appointed
> >position or run for Quaestor, Aedilis or Tribune Plebis?
>
>
> I cannot run for office at this time because I am certain that I cannot
> commit myself to my duties as a good magistrate should. I hope that Nova
> Roma thrives under good leadership nonetheless, and I'll try to contribute
> somehow.
You are just by asking questions. Your obvious concern and interest shows
you would be a good magistrate but I understand the constraints of time.
However, there is always the future. I am confident Nova Roma will be
around for years to come.
> >At this eary development we need more cooperation than competition. We are
> >trying to begin with the "mos maiorum" and establish the Coursus Honorum.
>
> I agree, and think that the mos maiorum would dictate election of praetors;
And they will be elected.
> as Germanicus pointed out on the message forwarded by D. Iunius Palladius,
> the office of praetor was, by the mos maiorum rather than by law, a
> prerequisite to the office of consul.
The strict order of the cursus honorum did become law in 180 B.C. though
up until that time was tradition.
Vale,
Decius Iunius Palladius
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| Subject: |
Public apology... |
| From: |
"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:17:13 +0100 |
|
Salvete omnes!
Everyone knows how tough is being my campaign, although I have done it like
this for fun and not to offend any rival candidate. I really expected them
to answer in the same way, and I would really be glad to read their funny
postings.
Yesterday I've posted a message, which, although not seriously, claimed that
Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus and Praetor Urbanus Decius Iunius Palladius
were speaking for candidate Quintius Caecilius Metellus.
Well, the gods wanted to teach me a lesson, and in the chat room, there was
a guy with the name Graecus that began to insult people, and the people
thought it was me - a belief that my last Campaign postings have reinforced.
People became angry and wanted to burn me alive. Only the intervention of
Consul Marcus Cassius Julianus saved me, and I both thank him and apology
for having used his name. Now, any other candidate could claim that he was
defending my campaign. Thank you Consul Cassius Julianus!
As to the chat room, I never use Graecus. I always log in with
AntoniusGryllusGraecus, so that you should always ignore Graecus everytime
he appears.
One more note, which I repeat here. When I write with "Campaign of..." in
the title, take it just as the words of a funny (I hope) guy. When I write
without that "Campaign of..." thing, I'm speaking as a citizen on Nova Roma,
and although I am a candidate, I speak as a citizen. I think that although I
am a candidate I do not loose the right to participate in other discussions,
do I?
Vale!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
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| Subject: |
Attn: Campaign of Antonius Gryllus Graecus for the office of Tribune of the Plebs |
| From: |
"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:19:58 +0100 |
|
Salve Cives!
Don't give another lictor to the magistrates. Rome needs a Tribune of the
Plebs!
Vote Antonius Gryllus Graecus!
"My father has always told me: Those who have many lictors are affraid of
the people!" - Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Re: On Michael Grant |
| From: |
Mike Macnair m.macnair@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:02:55 +0100 |
|
Though I sympathise with A. Tullius' general line (there have to be
popularisers as well as specialists) the comment here on academic work on
ancient Rome is perhaps a bit of an over-generalization. Some stuff, it is
true, is pretty dry; but, e.g. Crook's "Law & Life ..." cited in the
message, is a lot livelier and easier going than most academic work on
Roman Law.
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------.. on 21/10/98 00:41:34
Please respond to <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
cc: (bcc: Mike Macnair/LAW/Lancaster_University/UK)
Subject: [novaroma] On Michael Grant
From: Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------..
> In all seriousness, do you really think you're helping a fellow
Citizen
> decide on reading material by such statements? Unless you (or anyone
> speaking on the subject) can provide a cogent reason
I find Michael Grant to be obnoxious. He has no scholarly background,
and he
doesn't ask for any help from anyone who does.He reminds me of the
mentality
of British Colonials of the last century who figured that based on the
strength of their British educations, and their "good" intentions ,
this put
them in some sort of "expert" position. So I don't like him, and his
recent
Alexander thing on PBS really ticked me off.....OKAY?
lol, really Marius, you didn't need to scold me.........
Pythia....(muttering...)......
Is it really Michael Grant you are thinking of? Michael Grant
certainly has some credentials. Former Fellow of the Trinity College
at Cambridge. Professor of Humanities at Edinburgh University. Vice
Chancellor of the University of Khartoum and Chancellor of Queens
University in Belfast.
What often upsets people, at least fellow Ancient Historians, is his
levity. In most of his books, Mr. Grant provides the reader with the
basic outline of the topic along with some of the basic conclusions
made by scholars. I think he avoids many of the quagmires that the
more "hardcore" scholars dig into because he is writing for a more
general audience. This is necessary as I believe that a novice to
Ancient History would be put off the subject if they started out
reading modern works like: The Limits of Empire, The Roman Army in the
Near East, The Constraints of Desire, Law and Life in Ancient Rome.
These sort of academic works are brutal, and the topics are seemingly
pointless to people who just want to read a book about the past. I
think Michael Grant provides a service to those who want to begin
learning about the ancient past.
Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Qf Callidus, Praedans
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Candidate for Tribune of the People
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| Subject: |
Re: Real Life (was Re: Candidacy) |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:34:57 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On Tu--------0 Oct 1998, "Jonathan Robison" jonathan99@--------
wrote:
>I wish you spent as much time on the business as you do on this stuff.
>I understand that you need to play pretend, but sometimes you need to
>focus on real life issues.
One: This isn't pretend. Check the Web site again--this is a cultural
and religious revival movement and an attempt to establish a functional
micronation based on the Roman Republic.
Two: There is more to "real life" than what some bizdroid can do in
his cubicle in nine hours.
Two A: A human being is more than the sum of his output.
People have social, emotional and spiritual needs, in addition to the
material needs which the wages from a job help fulfill. Any
intelligent person has also got a rich inner life, one seldom seen (let
alone addressed) in the workplace, but which has a lot more to do with
who that person *is* at the core of his being. We of Nova Roma feel a
deeper kinship with the lives and mores of the ancient Romans than we
do with anything else--that's why we're here.
Two B: Neither are fantasy and play items to be lightly
dismissed. Children and creative adults work out many serious
"real-life" issues through play, especially roleplay--ask any
developmental psychologist how important play is. Some scholars
speculate that a lot of the attraction of the Internet is due to the
way it lets us try on other faces, explore other aspects of self than
merely what it takes to make it through another day of the grind.
Three: You're here; you must have some interest in this yourself, as
you took the trouble to subscribe to the List...how, then, have you
managed to so grossly mistake our spirit and intent?
Salve...
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Märia Villarroel legion6@--------
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
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| Subject: |
Re: Public apology... |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:48:55 -0500 (CDT) |
|
'Tonius: If you have to keep telling people it's a joke, it's not a
joke. When no one responds in kind, when laughter fades and leaves
only the sting, it's time to take a different tack. Evidently nobody
thinks it's very funny.
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Märia Villarroel legion6@--------
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
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| Subject: |
Re: Candidacy |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:42:30 -0400 |
|
Jonathan Robison wrote:
> I wish you spent as much time on the business as you do on this
> stuff. I understand that you need to play pretend, but sometimes you
> need to focus on real life issues.
I don't know who you are, but this is totally uncalled-for and
tasteless.
If you have something private like this to say, say it elsewhere. If
business is so important to you, get back to it and stop using the Nova
Roma list for your personal problems. Speaking for myself, I really
don't care about your private life.
-- F. Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: Public apology... |
| From: |
"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:55:28 +0100 |
|
Salve!
Yes, you're right.
Vale!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
-----Original Message-----
From: legion6@-------- legion6@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 1:49 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Public apology...
From: legion6@--------
'Tonius: If you have to keep telling people it's a joke, it's not a
joke. When no one responds in kind, when laughter fades and leaves
only the sting, it's time to take a different tack. Evidently nobody
thinks it's very funny.
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Mdria Villarroel legion6@--------
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
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| Subject: |
Re: campaign stuff |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:54:32 -0400 |
|
Antonio M. R. C. Grilo wrote:
> From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>
> Salve Cives!
>
> Don't give another lictor to the magistrates. Rome needs a Tribune of the
> Plebs!
> Vote Antonius Gryllus Graecus!
>
> "My father has always told me: Those who have many lictors are affraid of
> the people!" - Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>
I've just got to say how much I'm enjoying this NR electioneering. (Okay,
especially Gryllus'.)
Everyone seems to be having a friendly, enjoyable and educational time of it
--
very UNLIKE the current gubernatorial campaign here in Massachusetts!
-- F. Claudia Juliana
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| Subject: |
Re: campaign stuff |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:17:24 -0500 (CDT) |
|
I stand corrected, 'Tonius...per Flavia Claudia's posting, some of us
*do* think it's funny! Roman smiley--> >({|:-)
--Lucius Marius Fimbria
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| Subject: |
Re: Candidacy |
| From: |
Ricci razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 06:31:12 -0700 |
|
Hey, Sulla!
Is this somebody you owe money to? Or has your boss got itself
on the list?
I wonder if it considers sports to be among real life issues.
Jonathan Robison wrote:
> I wish you spent as much time on the business as you do on this
> stuff. I understand that you need to play pretend, but
> sometimes you need to focus on real life issues.
>
Vale, and keep that sense of humor. You'll need it with critters
like this around.
Ericius
|
| Subject: |
Re: campaign stuff |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:52:02 -0400 |
|
legion6@-------- wrote:
> From: legion6@--------
>
> I stand corrected, 'Tonius...per Flavia Claudia's posting, some of us
> *do* think it's funny! Roman smiley--> >({|:-)
>
> --Lucius Marius Fimbria
> Marius:
> I just love campaign promises, is all! STILL waiting for some candidate to
> offer us free wine and a nice buffet in exchange for votes. (Shouldn't
> this be a function of the Tribune of the Plebs? They give such nice
> parties...)
At least none of our candidates' debates and statements have gotten as down
& dirty as some of the historical Roman rhetoric. This wasn't from a
campaign speech, but need I say more than 'the guilty finger'? Talk about
bad taste!
-- F. Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: Candidacy |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:09:03 -0400 |
|
Jonathan Robison wrote:
I wish you spent as much time on the business as you do on this stuff. I understand that you need to play pretend, but sometimes you need to focus on real life issues.
I don't know who you are, but this is totally uncalled-for and tasteless.
If you have something private like this to say, say it elsewhere. If business is so important to you, get back to it and stop using the Nova Roma list for your personal problems. Speaking for myself, I really don't care about your private life.
-- F. Claudia
Salvete
I too was shocked by this posting. Then, I wanted to respond but didn't know exactly what to say. So, I continued to read the rest of the posts and here it is along with the post of Marius Fimbra. I think this person should be ashamed of taking something private into the public. No class.
Vale Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
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| Subject: |
Re: Candidacy |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:25:54 -0400 |
|
Ricci wrote:
> Hey, Sulla!
> Is this somebody you owe money to? Or has your boss got itself on the
> list?
> I wonder if it considers sports to be among real life issues.
>
> Jonathan Robison wrote:
>
>> I wish you spent as much time on the business as you do on this
>> stuff. I understand that you need to play pretend, but sometimes
>> you need to focus on real life issues.
>>
>
> Vale, and keep that sense of humor. You'll need it with critters like
> this around.
>
> Ericius
>
> I love it. Dave Barry once said that a man is incapable of making
> commitments to a woman he's been living with for ten years, but is
> capable of making an emotional, lifelong commitment to a sports team
> who doesn't know him, never phones him, and doesn't remember to send a
> card on his birthday.
Wonder if Richard Branson (the Virgin guy) is playing pretend? He says
he's having fun! Must mean he's a terrible businessman who'll never
amount to anything.
-- F. Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: campaign stuff |
| From: |
"RMerullo" merullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:30:00 -0400 |
|
Salvete Flavia Claudia et alii
Exactly! Now THAT is negative campaigning.
Totally absent from Graecus' posts have been defamation and accusations of
gross misconduct. He has cast doubt on motives for some magistrates'
actions, but in a very (to my mind) humorous way. Those who could have
debunked his statements, and the campaign continues amicably.
I think that this is great.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
-----Original Message-----
From: m--------oon@-------- m--------oon@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 9:01 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: campaign stuff
>From: m--------oon@--------
>
>
>
>Antonio M. R. C. Grilo wrote:
>
>> From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>>
>> Salve Cives!
>>
>> Don't give another lictor to the magistrates. Rome needs a Tribune of the
>> Plebs!
>> Vote Antonius Gryllus Graecus!
>>
>> "My father has always told me: Those who have many lictors are affraid of
>> the people!" - Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>>
>
>I've just got to say how much I'm enjoying this NR electioneering. (Okay,
>especially Gryllus'.)
>Everyone seems to be having a friendly, enjoyable and educational time of
it
>--
>very UNLIKE the current gubernatorial campaign here in Massachusetts!
>
>-- F. Claudia Juliana
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Slight change in chat room |
| From: |
"RMerullo" merullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:48:11 -0400 |
|
Salvete Patricia Cassia et alii
Does this mean that market day chats will start at 3:00 p.m., EST?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
-----Original Message-----
From: p-------- p--------@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 6:59 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Slight change in chat room
>From: p-------- p--------@--------
>
>I was just in the chat room and we were discussing the time-stamp feature,
>which apparently is not working correctly. It also came up that I had
>rather parochially set it to U.S. Eastern time. Nova Roma's membership is
>worldwide, so there's no one time that's "right" for all of us.
>
> After a brief informal discussion with the people in the chat room, it was
>decided to set it to the only time that's relevant for all of us - Rome
>time.
>
>After this change takes effect (probably sometime Wednesday), Eastern U.S.
>participants will need to subtract six hours to get their local time.
>Western U.S. participants will need to subtract nine hours (and I only know
>that because Sulla's girlfriend is in Zurich). Everybody else can figure it
>out for themselves.
>
>As for the time stamp not working correctly, I'll check into it and take it
>up with BeSeen.
>
>Is this OK with everybody?
>
>Patricia Cassia
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Public apology... |
| From: |
"RMerullo" merullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:23:34 -0400 |
|
Salvete Antoni Grylle Lucia Maria et alii
I missed it all again! I must have accidentally deleted all Graecus'
offensive posts, because all that I received were a few slightly negative
campaign messages. None of those messages contained personal attacks, just
some harsh views of why so-and-so was running for this office instead of
that one, why others were defending so-and-so instead of so-and-so doing it
himself.
Actually, while I did find it a bit funny, it also appeared to be
appropriate material for a political campaign. I am hoping that the focus
of the run-up to the elections will become debates and agenda comparisons,
but I'll be a little surprised, maybe even dissapointed, if all the
candidates shy away from competition in this process and are afraid to say
'the people should elect me instead of you because...'.
Maybe I would see things differently if I had heard the words of the False
Graecus. Luckily, I missed it.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio M. R. C. Grilo amg@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 8:51 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Public apology...
>From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>
>Salve!
>
>Yes, you're right.
>
>Vale!
>
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: legion6@-------- legion6@--------
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 1:49 PM
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Public apology...
>
>
>From: legion6@--------
>
>'Tonius: If you have to keep telling people it's a joke, it's not a
>joke. When no one responds in kind, when laughter fades and leaves
>only the sting, it's time to take a different tack. Evidently nobody
>thinks it's very funny.
>---
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> <-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
><-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
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| Subject: |
Re: Public apology... |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:45:25 -0400 |
|
RMerullo wrote:
> From: "RMerullo" merullo@--------
>
> Salvete Antoni Grylle Lucia Maria et alii
>
> I missed it all again! I must have accidentally deleted all Graecus'
> offensive posts, because all that I received were a few slightly negative
> campaign messages. None of those messages contained personal attacks, just
> some harsh views of why so-and-so was running for this office instead of
> that one, why others were defending so-and-so instead of so-and-so doing it
> himself.
>
I think this in itself sort of refers back to the Old Republic, when candidates
sometimes questioned why each was running for what office. Didn't a patrician
-- I think it was Publius Clodius --change his name from the patrician
'Claudia' to the plebian 'Clodia' gens, get himself adopted by a plebian, and
then run for Tribune of the Plebs? Or am I confusing my candidates here?
Hoping Ted Kennedy doesn't switch to being a Republican,
-- F. Claudia
|
| Subject: |
Re: Public apology... |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:49:09 -0400 |
|
RMerullo wrote:
> From: "RMerullo" merullo@--------
>
>
> but I'll be a little surprised, maybe even dissapointed, if all the
> candidates shy away from competition in this process and are afraid to say
> 'the people should elect me instead of you because...'.
>
> Just so they give us more reasons than:
"the people should elect me instead of you because...a) You're a horse's
patootie, and
b.) I'm not.
Hate those million-dollar campaign TV ads,
-- F. Claudia
|
| Subject: |
Re: Website Problems |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:57:45 EDT |
|
In a message dated 10/20/98 11:46:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
raz--------@-------- writ--------br>
<<
> **Bell South**
In Maine? Are you sure they're not hold over Confederae symps playing at
sabotage?Maybe it would help if you told them Nova Roma is neutral in THAT
civil
war.
(Don't waste your breath teling them the war is over. If they don't know by
now... [Damn, Rebs!] ) >>
LOL!!! Of course, we're got our site plugged into a server that's several
states away. However, I'll happily give them a call and declare our
neutrality... unless some of the Legion folks want to try sellin' them the odd
Gladius and Pilum at a huge profit! ;)
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Candidacy |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:05:59 -0400 (EDT) |
|
I would like to endorse Lucius Cornelius Sulla for the office of Praetor
Urbanii. He has performed his duties as Quaestor conscientiously and has
been eager to contribute his energies to Nova Roma. I encourage you to
support him.
Patricia Cassia
|
| Subject: |
Nova Roma Reality - was "Re: Candidacy". |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:56:51 EDT |
|
In a message dated 10/21/98 2:53:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jonathan99@-------- writ--------br>
<< I wish you spent as much time on the business as you do on this stuff. I
understand that you need to play pretend, but sometimes you need to focus on
real life issues. >>
I'm afraid there might be some confusion about the focus and intent of Nova
Roma here. Although we've rather become a sort of Virtual Community in these
early stages thanks to computer technology, we're far more than some "role-
playing" game!
The culture and knowledge left by Classical Rome still has a great amount of
positive direction to contribute to the modern world. Nova Roma is a quite
serious attempt to provide a place where those interested in the various
aspects of the Classical world can begin to focus that culture as a living
system once again.
With Fortune, Nova Roma will grow into something very "real" indeed! We are
gaining Citizens at a steady (and increasing) rate, and more and more "local
real world" meetings and events are becoming possible.
Within a few years there may well be a few thousand Nova Romans... running
real-world Classical-oriented businesses through the Ordo Equester, hosting
public gatherings such as Roman Days, organizing Sodalicium (clubs) around
Classical subjects concerning everything from Brewing to Philosophy, holding
legal religious services, helping to fund serious archaeological digs, and
even participating in real-world politics as an international "Culture and
People".
Surely, this is all somewhat less vital to each of us as individuals than
going to work every day and putting food on the table... but this doesn't mean
that a person can't contribute to something real and meaningful in addition to
scrabbling for basic subsistance. In fact, isn't that *really* what life is
about, in a serious sense?
On a personal level, even though I put a huge amount of effort into my "day
job" and make adequate money at it, I find it completely unfulfilling on many
levels. It just doesn't express me as a person! For years I've been hoping to
do that on a level that's much more substantial than just a "hobby"... and
this is something that Nova Roma can provide.
Decades from now nobody is going to care that we as individuals were really
superior store clerks, computer programmers, salespeople or whatever. But
possibly, just possibly - we might have made a real difference by helping to
preserve and rebuild the Classical foundations of Western culture.
Besides, at the VERY least, we'll have lead more interesting lives than most
people ever bother to!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Candidacy |
| From: |
"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:05:25 -0400 (EDT) |
|
On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Jonathan Robison wrote:
> I wish you spent as much time on the business as you do on this stuff.
>I understand that you need to play pretend, but sometimes you need to
>focus on real life issues.
I wish people knew to keep private comments private. We had an expression
in the Marine Corps to "praise in public, find faults in private."
I do not think Sulla's involvement in Nova Roma a fault, I think he is an
asset to our very real project here, but you obviously disagree and should
have told him so privately. In trying to humiliate him publicly, it has
backfired and in a public forum shown you to be a fool. I hope you make no
pretence to being his friend.
With cheerful regards,
Palladius
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Non scholae sed vitae discimus.
Seneca
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"
Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.
|
| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Reality - was "Re: Candidacy". |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:29:00 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Right there Cassius- that last e-mail you wrote is for the greater
part what should be somewhere on the websight starting with the second
sentence- "Although"- captures the whole spirit of Nova Roma within a
relatively short statement. It would be a perfect partial intro to
someone new looking at the websight and asking initial questions.
Captures the spirit of Nova Roma in a way.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
|
| Subject: |
Publius Claudius, Clodius |
| From: |
"RMerullo" merullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:12:06 -0400 |
|
Salvete Flavia Claudia et alii
Yes. As I recall, Publius Claudius Pulcher changed the spelling of his gens
name to 'Clodius', and also got himself adopted into a Plebeian gens. My
understanding was that these were two separate actions on his part, the
first to look cool, in the same spirit perhaps as the 'artist formerly known
as Prince', the second, for the 'practical' purpose of gaining eligibility
to run for Tribune of the Plebs, which position allowed him to build up a
huge following among the urban poor, and later, to collude with the First
Triumvirate.
This, or something like it, occurred in the late republic, sometime around,
maybe, 70-50 BC?
-----Original Message-----
From: m--------oon@-------- m--------oon@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 10:53 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Public apology...
>From: m--------oon@--------
>
>
>
>RMerullo wrote:
>
>> From: "RMerullo" merullo@--------
>>
>> Salvete Antoni Grylle Lucia Maria et alii
>>
>> I missed it all again! I must have accidentally deleted all Graecus'
>> offensive posts, because all that I received were a few slightly negative
>> campaign messages. None of those messages contained personal attacks,
just
>> some harsh views of why so-and-so was running for this office instead of
>> that one, why others were defending so-and-so instead of so-and-so doing
it
>> himself.
>>
>
>I think this in itself sort of refers back to the Old Republic, when
candidates
>sometimes questioned why each was running for what office. Didn't a
patrician
>-- I think it was Publius Clodius --change his name from the patrician
>'Claudia' to the plebian 'Clodia' gens, get himself adopted by a plebian,
and
>then run for Tribune of the Plebs? Or am I confusing my candidates here?
>
>Hoping Ted Kennedy doesn't switch to being a Republican,
>-- F. Claudia
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Reality - was "Re: Candidacy". |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:29:43 -0400 |
|
Dean Troy wrote:
> From: dean6886@-------- (Dean Troy)
>
> Right there Cassius- that last e-mail you wrote is for the greater
> part what should be somewhere on the websight starting with the second
> sentence- "Although"- captures the whole spirit of Nova Roma within a
> relatively short statement. It would be a perfect partial intro to
> someone new looking at the websight and asking initial questions.
> Captures the spirit of Nova Roma in a way.
>
> Gaius Drusus Domitianus
>
>
Yeah! What Drusus said.
Actually, the Consul's statement would be apt info to include in the site. A
Message from the Current Consul, perhaps? Kind of like your version of a
State of the Union address, Cassi! Each Consul could make one statement a
year to go into the NR Archives. If we have Archives. Which we should.
Except that you'd probably ask the Vestals to keep the Archives and I don't
know where I'd put 'em -- maybe with all these Citizens' wills I DON'T have?
-- F. Claudia
|
| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Reality - was "Re: Candidacy". |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:58:40 -0400 |
|
>> Right there Cassius- that last e-mail you wrote is for the greater
>> part what should be somewhere on the websight starting with the second
>> sentence- "Although"- captures the whole spirit of Nova Roma within a
>> relatively short statement. It would be a perfect partial intro to
>> someone new looking at the websight and asking initial questions.
>> Captures the spirit of Nova Roma in a way.
>>
>> Gaius Drusus Domitianus
>>
>>
>
>Yeah! What Drusus said.
>Actually, the Consul's statement would be apt info to include in the site.
A
>Message from the Current Consul, perhaps? Kind of like your version of a
>State of the Union address, Cassi! Each Consul could make one statement a
>year to go into the NR Archives. If we have Archives. Which we should.
>Except that you'd probably ask the Vestals to keep the Archives and I don't
>know where I'd put 'em -- maybe with all these Citizens' wills I DON'T
have?
>
>-- F. Claudia
>
Salvete
This is a great idea. I was just thinking that this could go along
with the "bust" of the Consules idea that was kicked about earlier. The
Forum is a good place, didn't the Romans place statues in theirs?
About wills, what would be the implication of Rova Roma's standing
be if citizens filed wills with the Vestals?
Valete L Equitius Cincinnatus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Only *slightly* insulted |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:00:33 EDT |
|
In a message dated 98-10-21 00:11:52 EDT, you write:
<< Members get 'into' it in varying degrees; the most
dedicated believe very much in the importance, the inner resonance of
what they do in the framework of what they term the Current Middle
Ages. For these, it's not a fantasy--they feel more like their real
selves at a campout, a tournament, or quietly researching in a library
than they ever will in their day jobs. >>
Always felt comfortable dressed in velvet and leather enjoying a good mead and
turkey leg while watching sweaty men in tights battle it out for my enjoyment!
--Dexippus/Dante
|
| Subject: |
Re: Website Problems |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:57:37 EDT |
|
In a message dated 98-10-20 23:28:51 EDT, you write:
<< The War of Northern Aggression is OVER??? Who won?
-- Flavia Claudia Scarlett >>
Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn! Oh, but where did you get that
dress!!!!???!!!!
--Dexippus
|
| Subject: |
Lusitania Web Page... |
| From: |
"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:24:14 +0100 |
|
Salve Consul Cassi!
The Lusitanian Web Page is in its beginning. I'm still gathering some
material. Nevertheless, you're welcome at
<a href="http://aurelius.inesc.pt/Lusitania" target="_top" >http://aurelius.inesc.pt/Lusitania</a>
Vale!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
|
| Subject: |
Re: Website Problems |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:30:35 -0400 |
|
Dexippus@-------- wrote:
> From: Dexippus@--------
>
> In a message dated 98-10-20 23:28:51 EDT, you write:
>
> << The War of Northern Aggression is OVER??? Who won?
>
> -- Flavia Claudia Scarlett >>
>
> Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn! Oh, but where did you get that
> dress!!!!???!!!!
>
> I told my mama..."gimme that dress or it's CURTAINS!"
-- FC Scarlett, from the South of Rome
|
| Subject: |
duties of the Vestals |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:46:42 -0400 |
|
To the Senate and the People of Nova Roma
from Flavia Claudia Juliana
Chief Vestal, Order of Vestals, Nova Roma
I’m not going to take up bandwidth to go into what the Order of Vestals
did in Ancient Rome and Alba Longa, because you can look that up. I just
want to let all Citizens know the religious and civic functions of the
Vestal Order of Nova Roma.
The Vestal Order keeps the Sacred Flame burning on the Hearth of Nova
Roma. In the absence of a physical Temple of Vesta in a permanent
location, the Hearth of Nova Roma is temporarily established in the home
of the Chief Vestal. This also includes the altar for the Penates
Publicii and the Lar Praestites, the Penates and Lars of the State.
The tending of the flame is accompanied by prayers for the safety and
prosperity of the State. Specifically, these prayers ask for the
blessings and guidance of the Gods for Nova Roma and for our efforts to
re-establish the Religio Romana and the Roman Virtues. They also thank
the Gods for the kindness, blessings, and guidance they have given us,
and promise the Gods of Rome that, as long as we live, their worship
will not disappear from the earth.
The Vestal Order also stores the Wills of Citizens, should they wish to
entrust those documents to the Order. (Of course, the originals should
always be with your lawyer!). Wills entrusted to the Vestals should be
in envelopes, the flap sealed and marked with either your signet in
sealing wax or some kind of tamper-evident seal. Your Roman name and
gens must be on the envelope – they’re filed by this information. These
documents will be stored unopened. Wills may be revised by the maker as
needed; simply send us your new Will and we will destroy (by burning or
shredding) the old one, unopened. Your will is never opened by the
Vestals or any representative of Nova Roma. In the event of your death,
your heirs may have the copy back, or we will destroy it.
As an adaptation to modern needs, the Vestals will also keep and update
the database version of the Citizens List and keep copies of treaties or
agreements with other Micronations or Legions, as a courtesy to the
Censors.
The Vestal Order performs the rites for the public festival of Bona Dea
on May 1. We keep the symbol of the Palladium. We also perform the rites
of the Vestalia on June 7 and participate in other public festivals and
rites as required.
If Nova Roma ever officially condemns anyone (highly unlikely!), that
person can be pardoned by a Vestal. (I didn’t make this up, people!)
There are no more than six Vestal Virgins, all of whom take a vow of
chastity for one year. We follow history in that the oldest Vestal is
Virgo Maxima, responsible for the Order. Selection of the Vestals is
under the auspices of the Virgo Maxima and the Pontifex Maximus. A
Vestal serves for one year. No one is forced to enter or stay with the
Order: a woman who wishes to leave before her year is up may do so, but
she will not be allowed into the Order again.
|
| Subject: |
Re: Public apology... |
| From: |
Masterofhistory masterofhistory@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:34:39 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete;
I for one am glad you issued this statement Antonius Graecus, not so
much for any of the apologies but for telling me what handle you use
in the Taverna. You see, last Saturday night I was thrown out of the
Taverna by the "Graecus" handle. Speaking as one who has been thrown
out of many a taverna, I was not all that shocked to find my myself
lying on my virtual back in the virtual angiportus behind the taverna.
What did puzzle me was who did it, you see, I've never "met" you in
the Forum or Taverna before so I began wondering if it was you or some
thug using your name who gave me the boot. Then I thought, maybe you
paid this malefactor. Granted, Antonius we are standing for the same
office this election and it is only natural to expect some use of
force. Before the campaigns are over I'm sure our factions and armies
of thugs will have clashed in the streets and forum many times. We'll
likely witness "random" beatings, some fires and that ubiquitous
graffiti declaring which one of us is the better choice. This is only
natural, afterall we are seeking leadership of the Plebeans, the hard
working, rough-and-tumble and volatile backbone of the New Roman
state. I for one plan to steer clear of the dirty politics
(publicly), lest I dirty this new toga candida that cost me a fortune.
Seriously, thanks for writing the post clearing up the chat confusion.
I concluded that it must not be you after seeing some further obscene
displays by this imposter. Others who have met you assured me that
you would not behave as this "evil Greacus" did. I sincerely hope to
meet you in the Forum or Taverna soon, I'm told that you, like myself,
are a former student of Roman history.
Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Candidate for Tribune of the People
In case anyone was not sure this message is good-natured ribbing and
not sarcasm.
|
| Subject: |
To Pythia re: my post |
| From: |
Masterofhistory masterofhistory@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:57:17 -0700 (PDT) |
|
If you knew me, you would have not have written that.
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Candidate for Tribune of the People
|
| Subject: |
Re: To Pythia re: my post |
| From: |
Masterofhistory masterofhistory@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:25:39 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salve.
Glad to know that Pythia. This list sometimes is not that condusive
to humor. I imagine it's because we cannot read each others'
expressions and hear each others' laughing through a computer monitor.
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Candidate for Tribune of the People
|
| Subject: |
list notice |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:45:06 -0400 (EDT) |
|
As I indicated last week, the old Nova Roma list has officially been shut down.
Patricia Cassia
|
| Subject: |
Re: Publius Claudius, Clodius |
| From: |
"Robert Woolwine" Alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:12:58 -0700 |
|
I believe that Clodius was Tribune of the Plebs in 53/2 bce?
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Quaestor
-----Original Message-----
From: RMerullo merullo@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 9:51 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Publius Claudius, Clodius
>From: "RMerullo" merullo@--------
>
>Salvete Flavia Claudia et alii
>
>Yes. As I recall, Publius Claudius Pulcher changed the spelling of his
gens
>name to 'Clodius', and also got himself adopted into a Plebeian gens. My
>understanding was that these were two separate actions on his part, the
>first to look cool, in the same spirit perhaps as the 'artist formerly
known
>as Prince', the second, for the 'practical' purpose of gaining eligibility
>to run for Tribune of the Plebs, which position allowed him to build up a
>huge following among the urban poor, and later, to collude with the First
>Triumvirate.
>
>This, or something like it, occurred in the late republic, sometime around,
>maybe, 70-50 BC?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: m--------oon@-------- m--------oon@--------
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 10:53 AM
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Public apology...
>
>
>>From: m--------oon@--------
>>
>>
>>
>>RMerullo wrote:
>>
>>> From: "RMerullo" merullo@--------
>>>
>>> Salvete Antoni Grylle Lucia Maria et alii
>>>
>>> I missed it all again! I must have accidentally deleted all Graecus'
>>> offensive posts, because all that I received were a few slightly
negative
>>> campaign messages. None of those messages contained personal attacks,
>just
>>> some harsh views of why so-and-so was running for this office instead of
>>> that one, why others were defending so-and-so instead of so-and-so doing
>it
>>> himself.
>>>
>>
>>I think this in itself sort of refers back to the Old Republic, when
>candidates
>>sometimes questioned why each was running for what office. Didn't a
>patrician
>>-- I think it was Publius Clodius --change his name from the patrician
>>'Claudia' to the plebian 'Clodia' gens, get himself adopted by a plebian,
>and
>>then run for Tribune of the Plebs? Or am I confusing my candidates here?
>>
>>Hoping Ted Kennedy doesn't switch to being a Republican,
>>-- F. Claudia
>>
>>
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| Subject: |
Ok..Round 2 unsuccessful |
| From: |
"Robert Woolwine" Alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:30:59 -0700 |
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There are 5 of them in the chat room...booting us..I have gotten booted, Equitius and Ericius have been attacked...Is there a way that the booting would have no effect on certain individuals like citizens? Becuase this obviously is not working. There needs to be a reasonable solution...Does anyone have any ideas?
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Quaestor
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| Subject: |
Re: Ok..Round 2 unsuccessful |
| From: |
Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:40:44 -0700 |
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So far as i can tell Sulla. They have taken over the chatroom. I
can't get back in. I'm sure Fimbrai and Equtius got it too.
Peace, man! (rotflmao)
Ericius
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| Subject: |
Re: Ok..Round 2 unsuccessful |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:41:59 -0700 |
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Yes...they have completely taken over...its no use to go back in
there...once you start talking..they will boot you..and the abuse still goes
on...with no abatement. Well....what other options are there?
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Quaestor
-----Original Message-----
From: Ricci raz--------@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 6:40 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Ok..Round 2 unsuccessful
>From: Ricci raz--------@--------
>
>So far as i can tell Sulla. They have taken over the chatroom. I
>can't get back in. I'm sure Fimbrai and Equtius got it too.
>
>Peace, man! (rotflmao)
>
>Ericius
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Ok..Round 2 unsuccessful |
| From: |
Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:57:09 -0700 |
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They are friends. There might not even be as many of them as it seems. Just a
few playful hackers who can type fast, and have a few puters.
The "boot" seems to come up through the Ignore feature, so even if the Booting
threshold was raised to something impossible, it would still come through and
disrupt the chat -- the business being attempted.
Ericius.
pythia wrote:
> From: pythia kingan@--------
>
> >
>
> Does anyone know how they are able to coordinate this attack?It is insane in
> there.
> They are fast and there is no way to chat!
>
> Pythia
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| Subject: |
Re: duties of the Vestals |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:05:31 EDT |
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Thank you, Flavia Claudia Juliana, for providing us with an overview of the
revived Order of Vestals. This is indeed progress in making ancient Rome live
again.
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
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| Subject: |
Re: On Michael Grant |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:26:39 EDT |
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Salvete,
Thanks to the people who shared their opinions on the historian Michael Grant.
I appreciate your thoughts. A note to Pythia - it was Michael Wood who did
the PBS special on Alexander the Great, not Michael Grant.
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
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| Subject: |
Chat room debacle |
| From: |
"Ga--------Mar--------Merullus" merullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:34:26 -0400 |
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Salvete
Well, that is the last time I attempt to go into the forum without reviewing the rules on how to boot people. It was like showing up at Aquae Sextiae without a gladius.
I hope that there is a way that we could authorize a select group of people, perhaps the consuls and praetors, to have exclusive booting privileges. One or two of these authorized magistrates would then moderate each and every market day chat.
Otherwise, every market day will become a keyboard battle. I dont know about you, Romani, but I dont think that that is my cup of tea.
To Pythia, Iucundia Flavia, Ericius, Sulla, Marius Fimbria and Cincinnatus, I'm sorry that I didn't hold my ground. I'll do better next time.
To everyone, we have to make some kind of change in the chat room. This is a waste.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: Ok..Round 2 unsuccessful |
| From: |
"Ga--------Mar--------Merullus" merullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:39:01 -0400 |
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Salve Pythia
Well, my assumption is that they all boot one Roman, then move on to the
next one. After my first boot, I returned and gave them a piece of my mind
(a waste of my time, but I have very base instincts and decide to follow
them sometimes). One of them said "Let's load up on so-and-so, and gaius
too!"
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
-----Original Message-----
From: pythia kingan@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 9:48 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Ok..Round 2 unsuccessful
>From: pythia kingan@--------
>
>
>
>
>>
>
>Does anyone know how they are able to coordinate this attack?It is insane
in
>there.
>They are fast and there is no way to chat!
>
>Pythia
>
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| Subject: |
Rethink the chat room. |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:48:02 EDT |
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Look. Patricia C is going to either have to remove the Boot function, or give
her control of the chat room. Most chat rooms are moderated for the reasons
seen tonight. You'd never had this problem on AOL.
Next, if you are going to talk to these boys, Latin ain't going to cut it.
They have shown their ability to master the technology, that's all they do,
they want to be congratulated, not scolded. Besides they don't understand a
thing you are saying anyway.
If you leave them alone, they will get bored and move on. Eventually.
BUT GET RID OF THAT REMOVE FUNCTION. BETTER STILL, CHANGE THE CHATROOM
ADDRESS.
Q Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
Re: Chat room debacle |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:00:42 -0400 |
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Ave et salvete
You are correct but we shall fix it.
Valete L Equitius Cincinnatus
-----Original Message-----
From: Ga--------Mar--------Merullus merullo@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 10:36 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Chat room debacle
Salvete
Well, that is the last time I attempt to go into the forum without reviewing the rules on how to boot people. It was like showing up at Aquae Sextiae without a gladius.
I hope that there is a way that we could authorize a select group of people, perhaps the consuls and praetors, to have exclusive booting privileges. One or two of these authorized magistrates would then moderate each and every market day chat.
Otherwise, every market day will become a keyboard battle. I dont know about you, Romani, but I dont think that that is my cup of tea.
To Pythia, Iucundia Flavia, Ericius, Sulla, Marius Fimbria and Cincinnatus, I'm sorry that I didn't hold my ground. I'll do better next time.
To everyone, we have to make some kind of change in the chat room. This is a waste.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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