Subject:	Nova Roma
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:04:26 -0400 (EDT)

My dear Dex;

Not to worry, I did not say that you were anything but who you are, but
you have the same problem as those that I listed, in that a small
percentage of the institution (Approx.10%) does 90% of the work,
decisions, discussions, etc.

That is a failing of the institutions that I named based on some small
experience. I indicated that a stipend OR service be offered as a basis
for standing for office as a suggestion of how to better involve those
who do nt know how to be involved. You are obviously one of the early
joiners, friendly, funny, and a favorite of those who know you as a
person and as an organizer. But if you were shy, fearful, and didn't
know how to speak with people, that would simply mean that it would be
hard to communicate. There are people all around us that would like to
be involved, but do not know how for a variety of reasons. Those
"other" organizations have those problems and apparently so does Nova
Roma. My only comment was to help some of them get a little more
involved.

It seems to be what we are all in this for. When I joined Nova Roma I
was told that it was not required to be a true believer in Rome but
rather a person who enjoys Rome. I want the same things that you do for
the same reasons. I just have another way of expressing myself.

Your ideas certainly have merit, and should be looked into. I think
that my ideas are valid as well, based on some success in trying them
out.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Taxation fears
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:33:36 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 m--------oon@-------- wrote:

> From: m--------oon@--------
>
> Amethyst C Light wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > I can....gee, what CAN I do?? I can use my artistic talents or
> > calligraphy talent (freehand or using the ol pen) to draw up posters or
> > flyers or something. But I cannot afford to send it to a printer or even
> > back to someone who can. I can give my opinion (which is worth about
> > what I make a year). Well, maybe I can't offer anything.
> >
> > my citizenship because of it. Hell, right now I am not considered a
> > 'productive' member of society. I do not know that I could bear being
> > 'unproductive' or 'shamed' in TWO societies.
> >
> Whatta ya mean you're not considered "productive" and "can't offer
> anything"? You certainly contribute a lot to this list and we enjoy
> hearing from you! And from healing help you've requested for other
> people, it's obvious you're a nice person, too.
>
> Besides, you're going to produce a little Citizen. I call that DAMN
> productive!

That's right, I'm goingto be a 'grand'paterfamilias!


Palladius


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Subject:	Re: Chat Room Woes... and a Victory!
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:38:13 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 Dexippus@-------- wrote:

> From: Dexippus@--------
>
> In a message dated 98-10-22 14:24:43 EDT, you write:
>
> << Do the Censors let someone
> in a gens without asking the pater/materfamilias first? I don't know whether
> this person was granted citizenship before he wrote to me, or not. >>
>
> The censors do assign a gens to new citizen applicants without asking the
> pater/materfamilias.

No, normally we do not.

> Recently someone has joined Nova Roma under my gens but
> I did not receive any communication from the Censors to validate this person's
> claim of gens sponsorship.

Sorry Dex, that was my mistake, I took her at her word since she had
told me she had asked you and she clearly knew you. We are supposed to
check with you and did not. I apologize. On the other hand, we also
appreciate it, as a courtesy, when we are informed in advance by a
paterfamilias/materfamilias if he or she knows of someone joining a
gens. We get a lot of applications and cannot always keep track. If such a
mistake happens, contact the censors.


Palladius

Censor

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Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: Taxation and the treasury
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:41:03 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 Dexippus@-------- wrote:

> From: Dexippus@--------

> If such a fee be imposed, a date should be set (perhaps Jan 1 1999) but not
> mentioned in any literature.
>
> While we have applications coming in from the Internet, perhaps we can approve
> applications but withhold formal citizenship until such a fee is paid to the
> treasury. This of course will require that Quaestors promptly cash checks
> coming in so as applicants do not feel cheated or tricked.

I think this would be a bureaucratic nightmare with the size and
dispersion of our staff at the moment. (and so far, with only one
candidate for quaestor and one candidate for Praetor Urbanus, our staff
will not be as large next year as it was this year even though we have
160 citizens) One or the other censor approves an application and forwards
it to the appropriate quaestor to await a check who then passes it on to
the Vestals who maintain the list (or who contacts the new citizen to find
out where the money is). It is in the realm of possibility but the steps
make me shudder at the thought of one of the steps breaking down. I
would rather exhaust all possibilities of filling the coffers through
voluntary means rather than coercion.

Also, several people have mentioned that they do not like the web based
applications. I disagree, if only from a censor's point of view. I am
separated from my fellow censor by about 200 miles or so. The current
system allows us to get applications simultaneously while still allowing
us to trade weeks of work. Using snail mail would dump it all on one
person, Cassius, since that is where the Nova Roma address is.


Palladius


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Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: Web application
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:33:24 -0400

D. Iunius Palladius wrote:

> Also, several people have mentioned that they do not like the web based
> applications. I disagree, if only from a censor's point of view. I am
> separated from my fellow censor by about 200 miles or so. The current
> system allows us to get applications simultaneously while still allowing
> us to trade weeks of work. Using snail mail would dump it all on one
> person, Cassius, since that is where the Nova Roma address is.

If the Web-based application was eliminated, it would also be a nightmare from a
database standpoint. Trust me on this one.
I also don't see where a paper application would make things substantially different
from Web-based.

F. Claudia

Subject:	Quaestor Position
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:29:25 -0400 (EDT)

Salvete Roman!

I thank you for your kind words, and your support. I am not closed to
the idea of serving as Quaestor, for the task of getting Nova Roma
better known. However, there seems to be some confusion about how a
Quaestor is placed into Office (appointed or elected) and how the Senate
will authorize a position that the Quaestor in question is to fill.
While I would be honored to assist in any way that the Nova Roma Senate
feels appropriate, I would appreciate that the position that I fill also
to be associated with the study of Military and Military Engineering for
the institution of Nova Roma.

Having said all that, what is the next step? Am I responsible for
developing a proposal for the Senate? Am I responsible for notifying
the Senate of my willingness to take on this task? Should I notify the
Consul of this situation? Am I expected to mount a campaign for
election / selection in order that everyone interested is aware of the
position I am standing for, and some of my ideas for accomplishing the
task?

I need a little guidance here as I am rapidly approaching the 100 fathom
line with no chart!

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)
From:	"RMerullo" merullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:00:55 -0400

Salvete

Do Novaromani generally believe that children of cives accede to citizenship
of Nova Roma?

-----Original Message-----
From: Amethyst C Light amethystcrystallight@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:56 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)


>From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethyst C Light)
>
>On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:44:04 -0400 (EDT) p-------- p--------@--------
>writes:
>
>>That was certainly not the case in ancient Rome - if you were born a
>>Citizen, you were a Citizen, regardless of the state of your purse.
>
>hehehe.....weeeeellll
>
>If nothing else, I can give Nova Roma one (if not the ONLY) born Citizen.
> Well, not 'give'...but you know what I mean (I hope). I'm knittin as
>fast as I can!!!!
>
>Feeling much better about the tax thing now (as long as I am not asked to
>populate Nova Roma with 'natural' citizens).
>
>(Humor warning: NO!! Nova Roma is NOT going to be given my second born
>in lieu of cash!!)
>
>And thanks for the support L. Sergius
>
><<<No fire or shelter within 500 miles of Nova Roma for anyone seeking to
>
>exile Amethystia Inunia!
>
>L. Sergius Aust.>>>
>
>Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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>Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
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Subject:	Re: Nova Roma
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:40:41 EDT

In a message dated 98-10-23 00:09:52 EDT, you write:

<< I indicated that a stipend OR service be offered as a basis
for standing for office as a suggestion of how to better involve those
who do nt know how to be involved. You are obviously one of the early
joiners, friendly, funny, and a favorite of those who know you as a
person and as an organizer. But if you were shy, fearful, and didn't
know how to speak with people, that would simply mean that it would be
hard to communicate. >>

Audens,

I took no personal offense to your original post. But I don't see how asking
for a stipend to run for office will help the "shy" people come out of their
shells. As I said earlier, it only leaves authority in the hands of a few.
There must be a better way and I'm sure if we put our heads together
(hey...stop that!) we can find an answer.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Web application
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:47:00 EDT

In a message dated 98-10-23 09:46:17 EDT, you write:

<< It might be interesting, though, if we could compare the number of
citizens who take part in these conversations, votes, Market Day, etc.,
with the head count on the Web site. I fear the comparison would be
disappointing (hence it probably won't be done?). >>

yes...but unfortunately that's how it is with virtually every organization
that has existed since the dawn of organizations. Our best hope, however, is
to find a way to wead out the "trouble makers" who go out of their way to
disrupt our processes. These are the ones we need be concerned with...not so
much so those who join and then lay back and watch the show.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Chat Room Woes... and a Victory!
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:43:43 EDT

In a message dated 98-10-23 00:38:22 EDT, you write:

<< Sorry Dex, that was my mistake, I took her at her word since she had
told me she had asked you and she clearly knew you. We are supposed to
check with you and did not. I apologize. On the other hand, we also
appreciate it, as a courtesy, when we are informed in advance by a
paterfamilias/materfamilias if he or she knows of someone joining a
gens. We get a lot of applications and cannot always keep track. If such a
mistake happens, contact the censors.
>>

That's ok...there was no harm done. Orbianna has been legit since the
beginning so don't feel "bad" for taking her word. She was in contact with me
from the start. I too am at fault...for I did not know she had gone ahead
with submitting the application until she had done so. Otherwise I would have
gave you all for-notice as well. But, like I said...it's all legit and I
didn't see a need to escalate it until someone else asked about it as a
process.

Thanks for the clarification.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:48:45 EDT

In a message dated 98-10-23 13:40:16 EDT, you write:

<< Do Novaromani generally believe that children of cives accede to
citizenship
of Nova Roma? >>

Hey if the bambino can wear a toga-diaper...he/she's a citizen in my book! :
)

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Chat Room Woes... and a Victory!
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:01:57 -0400

Dexippus@-------- wrote:

> That's ok...there was no harm done. Orbianna has been legit since the
> beginning so don't feel "bad" for taking her word. She was in contact with me
> from the start. I too am at fault...for I did not know she had gone ahead
> with submitting the application until she had done so. Otherwise I would have
> gave you all for-notice as well. But, like I said...it's all legit and I
> didn't see a need to escalate it until someone else asked about it as a
> process.
>
> Thanks for the clarification.
>
> --Dexippus
>

Besides, I know her, too! She's OK! Even if she does hang out with some strange
people and I DON'T mean Dex! (I mean odd folks in Salem...)

-- F. Claudia

Subject:	Re: Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:04:40 -0400

Dexippus@-------- wrote:

> From: Dexippus@--------
>
> In a message dated 98-10-23 13:40:16 EDT, you write:
>
> << Do Novaromani generally believe that children of cives accede to
> citizenship
> of Nova Roma? >>
>
> Hey if the bambino can wear a toga-diaper...he/she's a citizen in my book! :
> )
>
> --Dexippus

"Breed More Citizens!" is what I say. How better to increase the voter rolls?
Just don't expect ME to do it!

F. Claudia

Subject:	Re: Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)
From:	NovaRomaNH@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:06:18 EDT

In a message dated 10/23/98 1:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
merullo@-------- wr--------:

<< Do Novaromani generally believe that children of cives accede to
citizenship
of Nova Roma? >>

I believe that no one can "officially" be a Citizen until they're 16, and
until the age of 18 they need parental approval before the Censors can give
the OK for their Citizenship. I believe this not only complies with a good
many modern standards, but is fairly compatible with the ancient method of
officially placing someone on the Citizen rolls.

I'm writing from work, and don't have any reference info at hand... but I
*believe* that a child born of Roman parents would be a "Roman" at birth but
not officially entered on the Citizenship rolls until their early teens.
Please forgive me if I'm remembering this poorly! ;)

However, younger people can certainly be a part of the Nova Roma community!! I
really think this upcoming birth is kinda neat... this baby will be the first
born to anyone after they'd become a Citizen! I'm thinking the Priesthood
might well be able to come up with a bulla amulet for the infant in fact.

In any case, if Amethyst wishes to consider her baby a Nova Roman, I'm not
going to argue! It'll just be a number of years before the child is old enough
to be entered on the official rolls. (And hey, fair's fair - the kid could
grow up not being interested in Roma at all, and want to do other things...
there's no reason to make anything official with young people before they can
make their own choice.)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

Subject:	Re: Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:53:34 -0500

On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:48:45 EDT Dexippus@-------- writes:
>From: Dexippus@--------
>
>In a message dated 98-10-23 13:40:16 EDT, you write:
>
><< Do Novaromani generally believe that children of cives accede to
>citizenship
> of Nova Roma? >>
>
>Hey if the bambino can wear a toga-diaper...he/she's a citizen in my
>book! :
>)
>
>--Dexippus
>

Which reminds me........I don't know about the office of Quasitor, but
I'm taking applications for the office of Nanny-tor.......Dex??
Interested? I'm gonna need all the help I can get with a toddler AND an
infant!!

Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Subject:	Re: Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:52:04 -0500

On Fr--------3 Oct 1998 15:04:40 -0400 m--------oon@-------- wr--------:
>From: m--------oon@--------
>
>
>
>Dexippus@-------- wrote:
>
>> From: Dexippus@--------
>>
>> In a message dated 98-10-23 13:40:16 EDT, you write:
>>
>> << Do Novaromani generally believe that children of cives accede to
>> citizenship
>> of Nova Roma? >>
>>
>> Hey if the bambino can wear a toga-diaper...he/she's a citizen in my
>book! :
>> )
>>
>> --Dexippus
>
>"Breed More Citizens!" is what I say. How better to increase the voter
>rolls?
>Just don't expect ME to do it!
>
>F. Claudia
>

Claudia!! SOMEONE has to help me out here!! I can't be expected to
supply the population all by myself!!!! It's ONLY 9 months, after all.
:-)

Think about it. <mischievous grin> This is the 90's. You can be a
Vestal and still reproduce. The miracles of modern technology!!!!!
hehehehehehehe

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Subject:	Re: Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:46:19 -0500

On Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:06:18 EDT Nov------------------------ writes:
>From: Nov------------------------
>
>In a message dated 10/23/98 1:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>merullo@-------- wr--------:
>
><< Do Novaromani generally believe that children of cives accede to
>citizenship
> of Nova Roma? >>
>

Don't be silly.....remember the humor warning dear.

>However, younger people can certainly be a part of the Nova Roma
>community!! I
>really think this upcoming birth is kinda neat... this baby will be
>the first
>born to anyone after they'd become a Citizen! I'm thinking the
>Priesthood
>might well be able to come up with a bulla amulet for the infant in
>fact.
>

That would be wonderful.

>In any case, if Amethyst wishes to consider her baby a Nova Roman, I'm
>not
>going to argue! It'll just be a number of years before the child is
>old enough
>to be entered on the official rolls. (And hey, fair's fair - the kid
>could
>grow up not being interested in Roma at all, and want to do other
>things...
>there's no reason to make anything official with young people before
>they can
>make their own choice.)
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>

As far as I am concerned, Terry, Lapis and I are Nova Romans. What Terry
and Lapis decide when they are older is up to them. They are too young
to make that sort of decision on their own yet (Lapis won't even be here
until February).

Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Subject:	Re: (no subject)
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:30:18 -0700 (PDT)

Romulan Star Empire! They still around? My Winged Defenders are in
mothballs and await the orders of the Senate.

Avidius Tullius Callidus
and gens Tullia
Star fleet ship-to-ship combat experts

Subject:	Re: (no subject)
From:	FJGA@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:34:50 EDT

Hmm, methinks someone has their Senates mixed up.

Metellus

Subject:	Costuming
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:18:32 -0400 (EDT)

I'm researching Roman women's costumes. I've got the fact that they wore a
long tunic with a flowing palla which could be pulled up over the head, and
that the tunic was tied at or slightly above the waist. My question is,
what was used for the tie? Obviously one could make a tie out of cloth, but
did they ever use leather or decorative rope or ribbon? Advice or resources
welcome.

many thanks,
Patricia Cassia

Subject:	Re: (no subject)
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:23:00 -0700 (PDT)

Salve Captain Avidus!

Ensign Iulia Caesaria at your command!

Yeah I know I haven't got any pips yet but; hopefully with you in
command I'll gain loads!

Anyway the Romulans think they're TOO good, I'd like to get a few of
them!!

A. I. C Nocturnia


---Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------.. wrote:
>
> From: Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------..
>
>
> Romulan Star Empire! They still around? My Winged Defenders are in
> mothballs and await the orders of the Senate.
>
> Avidius Tullius Callidus
> and gens Tullia
> Star fleet ship-to-ship combat experts
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Costuming
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:33:10 -0400

>
>I'm researching Roman women's costumes. I've got the fact that they wore a
>long tunic with a flowing palla which could be pulled up over the head, and
>that the tunic was tied at or slightly above the waist. My question is,
>what was used for the tie? Obviously one could make a tie out of cloth, but
>did they ever use leather or decorative rope or ribbon? Advice or resources
>welcome.
>
>many thanks,
>Patricia Cassia
>
Salve Patricia
My best advice is to Email or call Matthew Amt (Quintus Darius Macro)
either he or his wife will be glad to help. ph no (301) 345-0582
He doesn't have a 'puter at home so he will not get an email until
Monday.

Vale et Bona Fortuna, L Equitius Cincinnatus

PS nice job updating the Current Event page. only one thing, Matthew is
leaning towards June for the event again next year.

Subject:	Re: Costuming
From:	Asseri@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:28:54 EDT

I believe that any of the things you mentioned would have been used based on
econmics. Also remember that home arts were expected to be practiced by the
women of the gens. A special woven ribbon or embordered strip of fabric made
by a loved one would have been highly prized.
Try unraveling fabric for your sewing needs and that really gets you close to
the ancestors. Or used such thread to decorate a purchased ribbon
Dyed Leather was a common item used in clothing. It all so helped support a
whole industry.
This last summer I dressed and help three women in our SCA chapter created a
roman wardrobe for Pennsic War in August in Pennsylvania. WE had a blast
making the layers and they were still too hot in August.we were often down to
one layer and no stollas...such a scandel! We each had 4 tunicas interior and
exterior. Several stolla's along with jewlery and belts. They were so moved by
the comfort that each bought fancy shoes to go with the outfits!!

keeping the spirit
PA Olivia

Subject:	Re: Costuming
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:53:52 EDT

In a message dated 98-10-23 19:03:03 EDT, you write:

<< Obviously one could make a tie out of cloth, but
did they ever use leather or decorative rope or ribbon? Advice or resources
welcome.

many thanks,
Patricia Cassia >>

Golden cord was big during the early Principate. (Source "Women of Caesar"
forgot the author. 1935 was the publishing date. )

Subject:	Re: Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:20:03 -0400

Amethyst C Light wrote:
>

>
> Think about it. <mischievous grin> This is the 90's. You can be a
> Vestal and still reproduce. The miracles of modern technology!!!!!
> hehehehehehehe

Oooooo! I hadn't thought about THAT. Don't give me any ideas!

-- Claudia

Subject:	Re: Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:44:56 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, RMerullo wrote:

> From: "RMerullo" merullo@--------
>
> Salvete
>
> Do Novaromani generally believe that children of cives accede to citizenship
> of Nova Roma?

They cannot become citizens (since citizens vote) but they can become
members of a gens if the pater/materfamilias of a gens has that
arrangement in his or her gens (which we do have in the gens Iunia)

Palladius



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Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Nova Roma Firstborn
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:38:14 -0400 (EDT)

Now there is an idea! If appropriate I would like to offer a military
ring to the child as a honorarrium to the family from myself, and as a
gesture of welome to the military legions when the boy becomes of age.
If it is a girl then the ring is a gift to her from my family such as it
is, and a guarantee of a second family at her needs and desire.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Nova Roma Firstborn
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:15:40 -0500 (CDT)

Sed Minuci...

...who says you can't welcome a *girl*-child into the Legions? We have
granted our women-folk full rights (and responsibilities) of
Citizenship; one of these would certainly be military service if she
chooses, subject only to the admissions policies of whatever reenactor
Legion she approaches for membership.

You can't tell under the Lorica, honest!
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aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends

Subject:	Re: (no subject)
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:47:39 -0700

> Romulan Star Empire! They still around? My Winged Defenders are in
> mothballs and await the orders of the Senate.
>
> Avidius Tullius Callidus
> and gens Tullia
> Star fleet ship-to-ship combat experts

Salve Avidius

Yes (unfortunately?)
I've seen them at BayCon (Memeorial DAy Wkend) in San Jose.

Ericius