Subject:	Re: address changes
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:07:39 -0400

legion6@-------- wrote:
>
> In FileManager (which runs in UNIX), you
> can have more than one entry in a field, and it all stays together
> under one record.)
>
Unix...ahhhhh! In a perfect world, we'd all have peace, harmony and
Unix. Or better yet, Linux. Let's hear it for the Justice Department &
the Sherman Anti-Trust laws.

-- Claudia

Subject:	Re: address changes
From:	Josette@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:18:05 EDT

In a message dated 98-10-24 15:00:52 EDT, you write:

<< The Vestal Order keeps the (semi-sacred) Microsoft Access database. And
if YOU don't think that Bill Gates is a god, just ask him! >>

No. No. No. **Ivanova** is a god!!

If you use MA you have my respect ... can't *stand* the thing. I much prefer
Excel, even though I dislike maintaing the records kept there! :-)

---
Emerentiana Palatina Indara
materfamilias, gens Palatina

Subject:	Re: Epistola Consul Quinto Caecilio Metello
From:	Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 02:58:35 -0800 (PST)

---JoeBloch@-------- wrote:

> Vale,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
>


Hey... Germanicus! It's great to know you're still around!
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Subject:	Announcement of candidacy
From:	Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 03:35:03 -0800 (PST)

Ave, quirites!
I, Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica, materfamilias of the Plebeian Gens
Claudia Lucentia and Praetorian governor of the province of Britannia,
hereby declare my candidacy for the post of Praetor Urbanus. This is a
legal magistracy, the duties associated with which include the
administration of criminal and civil cases before the comitiae, and
the proposal of legislation, in consultation with the senate, before
the comitia populi.
As Praetor Urbanus, my prime concern would be to gain a detailed
acquaintance with the laws of Nova Roma, in the form of the
constitution and the senatus consulta. I would then aim to identify
areas where further clarification of or additions to the laws would
improve the legal system of the state, to the benefit of all her
citizens. Any legislation which I put forward would be proposed on the
basis of both a careful study of the laws and legal system of ancient
Rome, and a concern to uphold the interests of the modern state of
Nova Roma and her citizens. Should I be elected to this position, I
intend to work in close consultation with my fellow candidate, L.
Cornelius Sulla, discussing all proposal carefully with him and
collaborating for the greater good of Nova Roma. I also pledge to make
myself available at all times to advise citizens in the event of any
legal questions or disputes which they might have.
I believe that my experience, both within Nova Roma and outside
it, makes me an excellent candidate for this post. After becoming the
first Nova Roman citizen from the province of Britannia in June, I
accepted the position of Praetor Britanniae, offered to me by the
senate. Since that time I have built up considerable contacts with
several members of the current administration and become
well-acquainted with the system of government in Nova Roma. In
addition, I have established a web-site for my gens and for the
Provincia Britanniae, which I cordially invite all prospective voters
to visit (<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1133" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1133</a>). I am also in
the process of organising a Roman banquet to be held within my
province, and have distributed flyers on behalf of Nova Roma in both
Oxford and Birmingham. Finally, my status as a student of the
University of Oxford, England, gives me access to an excellent range
of resources for the study of Roman law through the libraries of that
institution.
Quirites, I ask that you elect me to the post of Praetor Urbanus,
so that the best interests of the state and of you, her citizens, may
be upheld.
Vos magnas gratias ago,
Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica.





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Subject:	Etruscans
From:	"a z" artemis_@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:38:26 EST

Hi!

I was going through Okana's bigos
(<a href="http://www.moonchild.com/okana/bigos.html#history" target="_top" >http://www.moonchild.com/okana/bigos.html#history</a>) and I found an
article that claimed that the Etruscans were Slavs. Does anyone have an
ifo to either prove or disprove this claim?

thanks,
art

p.s. sorry about the multiple postings

Subject:	Re: Etruscans
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:54:07 EST

In a message dated 98-10-25 09:38:33 EST, you write:

<< I found an
article that claimed that the Etruscans were Slavs. >>

Not having done in depth research, I don't have any documentation, but I know
(remember from History classes) that Etruscans are from around the
Mediterranean area, and the Slavs come from farther north - north of the
Alps?. It may be possible for them to have mingled, but I think they are as
distinctly different as the Egyptians and the Romans. They even LOOK
different.

------Secunda Zonara

Subject:	Re: Etruscans
From:	"Nathan Hicks" moman@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:56:41 -0500

-----Original Message-----
From: Nodigio@-------- Nodigio@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 10:54 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Etruscans


>From: Nodigio@--------
>
>In a message dated 98-10-25 09:38:33 EST, you write:
>
><< I found an
> article that claimed that the Etruscans were Slavs. >>
>
>Not having done in depth research, I don't have any documentation, but I
know
>(remember from History classes) that Etruscans are from around the
>Mediterranean area, and the Slavs come from farther north - north of the
>Alps?. It may be possible for them to have mingled, but I think they are
as
>distinctly different as the Egyptians and the Romans. They even LOOK
>different.


The same caution ought to be applied to the things which I
can recall, but I have read that the Etruscan language is
categorized as having come from a non-IE linguistic family,
one which was native to the Italian peninsula. The Slavic
languages, on the other hand, are from IE. I'm given the
impression of his being another ethno-centric quack.



Cnaeus Aelius Rusticus

Subject:	Re: Etruscans
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:18:03 -0800

Salvete.

This is a long one.

a z wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I was going through Okana's bigos
> (<a href="http://www.moonchild.com/okana/bigos.html#history" target="_top" >http://www.moonchild.com/okana/bigos.html#history</a>) and I found an
> article that claimed that the Etruscans were Slavs. Does anyone have an
> ifo to either prove or disprove this claim?
>
> thanks,
> art

I was introduced to Etruscology in the 60s and while I have not been
involved with the
academic side of it since the mid 80s I have tried to keep in touch with any
discoveries
and development in the field. I was never a "scholar" in Etruscology, more
a fan or dilettante,
but I had a great prof.

books:
_The Etruscans In the Ancient World_ by Otto-Wilhelm von Vacano. This
is an early basic text.

_The Etruscans_ by E. MacNamara is a recent text. There are some new
things, but the basic
facts are the same. One basic fact is that there are a LOT of holes in our
knowledge about
these people and their religion.

Larissa Bonfante has written a number of books, some on the Etruscan
language.
Some of these books are in the Nova Roma bookstore.

Lost Civilizations leave a lot of space for people to speculate. There was
a Saudi (probably a prince)
in one of my classes who was convinced the Etruscans were Arabs. He
insisted the language sounded
"just like" Arabic. It does, of a sort, but so does German, sort of. I had
not heard of the purported
Slavic connection until this post. The Etruscan language is not an
Indo-European language.
This group includes English Latin, Pharsi (Persian) and Hindi, to give some
disparate examples.
There are other, non interrelated, languages in Europe, such as Basque,
Finnish and
Hungarian (Magyar). The Hungarian probably (mind you only "probably") came
in with the Huns,
it has mutated over time as all languages do. Darn if I can't remember if
Slavic is Indo-European or not,
but I think not. It might have come into the European peninsula after the
"Germanic" waves.

Scholars have been working on the Etruscan language for about a century now
(modern archeology started in the last century). We have a lot of
vocabulary. And basically no
syntax and grammar. The pieces that can be translated with confidence are
formulaic funerary
inscriptions. (e.g. "Jack, Jack's son, grandson of Jeff" etc.). There are
also some very enticing
items. Very few. That are little better than Egyptian hieroglyphics before
the Rosetta stone.
One set is the gold tablets mentioned in the Polish article. They have been
"translated" a number
of times. Each "translation' different from the others. (see _the Search
for the Etruscans_ by James Wellard
for some of these). One translation was by a French poet. It is pretty.
Another intriguing item is a "scroll"
from a mummy's wrappings. It was an Egyptian motif burial with the writing
all in Etruscan, including on
the wrapping. [Alert! Uncertainty Alert: at least 50% unsure on accuracy of
memory on this incident.]
It does not jive with what we know of Egyptian funerary texts. Back to the
drawing board.

It would be wonderful to crack the Etruscan language. I want to hear about
such a breakthrough in other
sources than an ethnic special interest site. If Etruscan was decoded it
would probably make the NY Times,
and the Portland Oregonian.

A small school of thought, considered unscientific now a days, accepts what
the Etruscans say about
their origins. They migrated from Asia Minor, from Lydia. I just thought
I'd throw this in,
so the Etruscans (Rasenni in their own tongue) could have a say on their own
behalf.

Valete

Caius Aelius Ericius

Subject:	Re: Etruscans
From:	"a z" artemis_@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:45:13 EST

&g--------om: "Na-------- Hicks" moman@--------
>The same caution ought to be applied to the things which I
>can recall, but I have read that the Etruscan language is
>categorized as having come from a non-IE linguistic family,
>one which was native to the Italian peninsula. The Slavic
>languages, on the other hand, are from IE. I'm given the
>impression of his being another ethno-centric quack.
>

According to the article I was referring to
(<a href="http://www.moonchild.com/okana/bigos.html#arch" target="_top" >http://www.moonchild.com/okana/bigos.html#arch</a>):
"their [Etruscan] language as his primary object of research; after
comparison with all other Eurasian languages failed, he decided to
take as reference the Slavic languages, and this brought him to a
crucial discovery: The Etruscan yielded its mystery, revelaing itself
as a Slavic language. Since this approach, he did not have any
trouble reading the numerous writings which are being discovered in
the Etruscan tombs."

thanks for the responses,
art

Subject:	Re: Better taxes through reproduction?? :-)
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:20:38 EST

In a message dated 98-10-24 09:01:23 EDT, you write:

<< DAMN!!!!! Next applicant please!! (the clothes are OK...it's that
ACCENT!!) >>

An' wats raung wi' dee axsent? Gauwd!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Nova Roma Firstborn
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:23:09 EST

In a message dated 98-10-24 13:05:40 EDT, you write:

<< >I'm sure tat Dex will have a
>comment that is funny and outrageous for this gift whch is all to the
>good. My humour tends to be a little heavy. >>

Actually no...I thought the gift was a very touching and generous offer.

--Dexippus
<<yes...I can be serious too!>>

Subject:	Re: .[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Firstborn
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:25:26 EST

In a message dated 98-10-24 18:09:37 EDT, you write:

<< Actually in defense of the illustrious DEX, he only said that children
tasted like chicken. Being the high-born Roman that we all know he is,
I would wager that your children are in no danger from him. Motherless
children of the streets now be a different kettle of Chil-----oops fish! >>

Why yes...the little bambino is safe around me...but those bastards of the
barbarians are open prey! And I just found my recipe for Children Franchaise!
Ah..yes..adolescents lightly sauteed in a butter sauce! YUM!

--Dexippus
Divus Cannibalus

Subject:	Re: .[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Firstborn
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:05:33 -0600

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:25:26 EST Dexippus@-------- writes:

>>And I just found my recipe for Children
>Franchaise!
>Ah..yes..adolescents lightly sauteed in a butter sauce! YUM!
>
>--Dexippus
>Divus Cannibalus


Keep that recipe handy for those days when those inappropriate teen boys
and girls who aren't good enough for my 'babies' (and, for the record,
none of them are) come around trying to date them!! I'll sic the army on
'em and we'll have us a regular feast!!

Terry's father is getting ready to explain 'the birds and the bees' to
his 10-year-old stepson, so there may be feasting in the next 10 years or
so. Makes me tempted to send Terry to the Vestals the second she's potty
trained!!!!!! Nasty little toddler boys are already drooling over her!!
(They MAY be teething, but one never knows!!) :-)

Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
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Subject:	is the chatroom down?
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:00:29 -0800

I was able to get on to it sporadically today. Its format has
been changed since this moring. I am unable to get onto it at all
for the last hour or so. I know, I'm blathering, usiing up
valuable bandwidth, but hey...
Or has the way in been changed and I haven't found the right
door?

Ericius

Subject:	Re: is the chatroom down?
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:37:56 -0500 (EST)

>From: Ricci raz--------@--------
>
>I was able to get on to it sporadically today. Its format has
>been changed since this moring. I am unable to get onto it at all
>for the last hour or so. I know, I'm blathering, usiing up
>valuable bandwidth, but hey...
>Or has the way in been changed and I haven't found the right
>door?

No, you're fine, but the chat room is down. I've e-mailed Beseen and asked
for a tech update.

Patricia Cassia

Subject:	a little personal victory
From:	pjane pjane@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:37:57 -0500 (EST)

After many months I have finally sold my house! This will allow Cassius and
me to go ahead with our plans to build a house and (at long last) live
together!

For the next couple of months, we may be very busy packing and moving and
dealing with builders (who may or may not understand our need for a
Lararium). Please forgive me if I don't respond to Nova Roma business as
quickly as I'd like to!

The Concordia ritual is still on, and after the first of the year we also
hope to plan some more events.

Patricia Cassia

Subject:	Re: a little personal victory
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:25:06 EST

CONGRATULATIONS! I know this has been a long time coming and has been a
source of stress in your life!

Best of luck to you and Cassius!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: .[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Firstborn
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:04:04 -0500

Amethyst C Light wrote:

> so. Makes me tempted to send Terry to the Vestals the second she's potty
> trained!!!!!!

She'll be safe with us for the next 30 years!
Men. They only want ONE THING from a girl!

Okay, maybe two things.

(I'm KIDDING, guys!)
-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: a little personal victory
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:12:56 -0500

pjane wrote:
>
> From: p-------- p--------@--------
>
> After many months I have finally sold my house! This will allow Cassius and
> me to go ahead with our plans to build a house and (at long last) live
> together!

Um. Can we get video of that? I was kind of looking forward to a big
ceremony and pelting the two of you with almonds.

> For the next couple of months, we may be very busy packing and moving and
> dealing with builders (who may or may not understand our need for a
> Lararium).

*snort!* Wait'll you hear what they say when you ask for the atrium, a
tablinium and two triclinia with plenty of room for dining couches.

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: a little personal victory
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:36:04 -0500

Salve
Congratulations!
>
>After many months I have finally sold my house! This will allow Cassius and
>me to go ahead with our plans to build a house and (at long last) live
>together!
>
Don't you just love it when a plan comes together.

>For the next couple of months, we may be very busy packing and moving and
>dealing with builders (who may or may not understand our need for a
>Lararium). Please forgive me if I don't respond to Nova Roma business as
>quickly as I'd like to!
>
Well so far you have responded much faster than could be expected, so any
thing else will be just about right :-)

>The Concordia ritual is still on, and after the first of the year we also
>hope to plan some more events.
>Patricia Cassia


I hope that the weather is fair enough for many of us to come.

Vale L Equitius Cincinnatus

Subject:	Re: .[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Firstborn
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:00:47 EST

In a message dated 98-10-25 19:06:33 EST, you write:

<< Men. They only want ONE THING from a girl!

Okay, maybe two things. >>

Yeah! Their wardrobe...and maybe their shoes!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: address changes
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:01:35 -0800 (PST)

So what are the rites to Bill?
They haven't been put on the site!!
Will they bring us LOTS of money????

LOL

A. I. C. Nocturnia


---legion6@-------- wrote:
>
> From: legion6@--------
>
> Claudia Juliana said...
> >The Vestal Order keeps the (semi-sacred) Microsoft Access database.
> >And if YOU don't think that Bill Gates is a god, just ask him!
>
> ...to which Maria Fimbria, databaser extraordinaire, replies:
>
> Sorry, ma'am. VA FileManager spoiled me for anything else. Pointers
> point; help prompts are helpful; and there is such a thing as a
> multiple field!!! (In Access, if a certain field--say, Citizen's
> e-mail address--has more than one answer--say, home and work
> accounts--you have to create a complete new record for that Citizen
to
> accommodate the variant information. That Citizen will be listed
twice
> now: once for the home e-mail, once for the one at work, which will
> throw off your census badly. In FileManager (which runs in UNIX),
you
> can have more than one entry in a field, and it all stays together
> under one record.)
>
> If Bill Gates is a god, he must be one of the Furies...his stuff has
> driven enough people crazy!!! >({|8-P` AAAAAaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!
>
> Have fun...
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