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Subject:	Re: Ni-Ni Tory
From:	pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:17:33 -0500

I certainly do ;-). Amethyst, I will try to send the files to you. Let me know
if they get through! I hope you enjoy them.

Best, Pythia

m--------oon@-------- wrote:

> From: m--------oon@--------
>
> Amethyst C Light wrote:
>
> > From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethyst C Light)
> >
> > Salve --
> >
> > I am now on a quest to find some stories I can read the children with a
> > Roman theme (something explaining holidays like the Saturnalia perhaps,
> > or maybe funny stories about the Gods and their antics). Would anyone
> > know where I could find any? Do they even exist?
>
> YES!!! Our own Pythia has stories! She hasn't published them anywhere but in
> the Eagle yet,(we're working on that!) but I bet she'd share them with you!
> they're wonderful!
>
> -- Flavia Claudia
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Subject:	Re: Roman music - Synaulia
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:39:26 -0000

Salve!

I agree with Cassius' opinion. Just buy it if you want to have a perspective
on Roman blow instruments. In order to listen to music, it's better to buy
the greek music albums, which include the only excerpt of Roman music from
Terence.

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus

-----Original Message-----
From: C--------us622@-------- C--------us622@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 12:46 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Roman music - Synaulia

>From: C--------us622@--------
>
>In a message dated 10/26/98 1:01:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>amethystcrystallight@-------- writes:
>
><< >
> >It was me who initiated the discussion on ancient Greek/Roman music.
> >I've recently bought a record form Amiata Records, called:
> >Music from ancient Rome - Vol. I, by SYNAULIA.
> >SYNAULIA is a musical consort dedicated to music history and
> >archeology. You
> >can find it on Music Boulevard: www.musicboulevard.com I think... Take
> >a
> >look in the Classical music section.
> >
>
>
> I will look it up the next time we go to the library!!
> >>
>
>By all means, test "SYNAULIA" out at the library before going and out and
>paying for a copy! I personally was really dissapointed with the album. The
>group did a wonderful job in re-creating authentic Roman musical
instruments
>but worked on a rather dissapointing premise... since there is little or no
>Roman musical notation left from ancient times, they did not try to write
or
>play "music". They just made random noises with these ancient instruments,
all
>the pieces on the album seemed to me to be rhythmic discordant noise. There
>was no melody in any piece on the album!
>
>This sort of "freeform" playing is actually a VERY modern concept...
ancient
>people made music to be musical rather than "artistic". It's almost assured
>that the ancient Romans would have played simple pieces you could whistle
or
>sing to rather than something that sounds like an orchestra tuning up. :(
>
>Anyway, I found it interesting, but impossible to listen to for any length
of
>time. I certainly didn't find it worth the $20 I paid for the CD...
>
>Vale,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
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Subject:	Attn: Campaign of Antonius Gryllus Graecus for the office of Tribune of the Plebs
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:46:08 -0000

Salve Cives!

The patricians have clearly chosen their candidate to the office of Tribune
of the Plebs: Consul Quintius Caecilius Metellus.
Now it's time for you to choose your candidate!

"The best candidates shall be those chosen by the people!!" - Antonius
Gryllus Graecus


Subject:	Annoucement of the Candidacy of Marcus Minucius Audens for Quaestor
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:11:04 -0500 (EST)

Salve Honored Romans!

This message is to announce the Candidacy of Marcus Minucius Audens for
the position of Quaestor being vacated by Lucius Cornelius Sulla.

My interest in Rome, has been a long one, since reading about the Roman
Legions as a young man in the 1950's. I currently am a member of the
XXth Legio Valera Victrix, 1st Chortes, 1st Centurio as a Miles Immunes
(Gromaciti, Agrimmensores, Architechturas, and Gubernator), I am also
Optio of Engineering as an associate member of the IXth Legio Hispana.
Some of the Nova Romans may have read the Letters of Eumenes Thalian
Diomedes, (M. Audens) which I hope will be picked in some manner here in
Nova Roma.

I served in the United States Submarine Force for 20 years entering
service as a Seaman Recruit and leaving the service as a Chief Warrant
Officer (Underwater Ordnace), Command Duty Officer and Officer of the
Deck Underway. I have completed 20 years in the Submarine Building
business as a Senior Engineering Program Co-Ordinator and Quality
Assurance Specialist. I presently have my own business (Adjutant's
Post) and am a partner in a second business (Belle Studios).

I have been involved in volunteer work (Boy Scouts Of America) man and
boy for 38 years, I have served in various leadership positions and hold
the Silver Beaver Award. I have served as the Chairman of the Zoning
Board of Appeals in my town for 16 years.

I am a 1st Person Re-enactor in Civil War, Rev War, F& I War, and Roman
1st Century, and belong to six re-enactment units.

My Candidacy for this position of Quaestor is my way of doing my share
to make Nova Roma a place where Roman values and Roman culture can be
studied and enjoyed by all who are interested, meeting people of like
interests, and in sharing with the Nova Romans some of my interests.

It will be difficult to come up to the standards of the gentleman whose
shoes I am applying to fill, but I will do my best, and with your vote
and support fellow Nova Romans, I feel that I can help to retain what we
now have, and to investigate how we may further the cause and
institution to which we all belong.

Thank you most kindly for your attention, and I most humbly ask for your
support in the coming election.

Vale Honored Romans!

Marcus Minucius Audens
Nova Roma Military Tribune
of Engineering / Topography

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: by the way, the P.O. box works...
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:41:00 -0800

I assume this means you did get my check?
Goody! {whatever the latin is for that}

Ericius


Subject:	Re: Attn: Campaign of Antonius Gryllus Graecus for the office of Tribune of the Plebs
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:20:04 -0800

Ave macte Graecus!

Please keep in mind that this note is neither hostile nor
disrespectful. Its faults may be attributed to my wanting to get
out about the day and old brain damage from fighting Clodius's
hooligans. =({;-)
Also please take note that I am of the Patrician order. My
interest in this part the elections is rooted in my wanting Nova
Roma to grow strong and healthy and mature (over time, lets not
rush things [vbeg]).
I am not making these comments as a spectator at the arena might
egg on the combatants down on the sand.
I'm not making any any endorsements, nor any ex-dorsements. I'm
just making some observations and comments.

You and Avidius Tullius Callidus are both assuming that Quintus
Caecillius Metellus is going to win the election for Tribune of
the Plebs. The reasons are, I guess, that he has the backing of
"the Patricians", also because he is one of
"the Founders". [trumpet salute without]

Don't be so pessimistic. True, those who vote are such a small
number that five votes might make a voting block, but all the
plebeians, except Metellus, came into NRoma some time after the
first trimester. They might well have the same view as you and
Avidius do of a Tribune of the Plebs candidate being endorsed by
some patricians. This is probably just as likely as them being
wowed by endorsements from that other order.

Tactically, you and Avidius Tullius might do well to work
together more. Unless there is some reason not to. I've seen
posts from the two of you on the list more than I have from
Metellus. You know, that old "name recognition" thing. Another
tactical point, information item here... After the last large
vote, the one on the bundle of Constitution changes, then censor
Flavius Vedius Germanicus told us that about one third (1/3) of
the electorate actually voted. That was ca. 30 people at that
time. Of course that vote was by individual citizens, I am not
clear whether this one will be that way, or by tribal
representatives [IMO a dumb way to go].

I'll pipe down now. I'm sure I've said more than a decadent
oppressor of the proletariat ought to about the business noble
Plebeian Order. But, hey... It is all necessary to the survival
of Nova Roma. Remember the stomach and the limbs.

Ave Roma Immortalis.

Vale.

Caius Aelius Ericius

[Exeunt]


Subject:	Campaign Roundup?
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:47:24 -0600 (CST)

Salvete, omnes...

OK. For the benefit of those of us who can't keep track of the players
without a scorecard, can someone put together a list or chart of who's
running for what offices which are currently occupied by whom?

How many candidates may we vote for for each office? (Are we electing
one Praetor Urbanus or two? ...stuff like that)

If this list also includes vacant posts needing to be filled, it could
even attract some more candidates!

Gratias vobis ago...
--Marius Fimbria (whose brain is full)
---
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aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends


Subject:	Roman banquet in Britannia
From:	Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:02:54 -0800 (PST)

Salvete, Quirites!
I am pleased to be able to announce that the Gens Claudia
Lucentia will be hosting a Roman banquet in Oxford, Britannia, on
Saturday November 21st, using recipes from the 1st century cook,
Marcus Gavius Apicius.
Although I realise the majority of people on this list won't be
able to come, I'm doing a general post anyway, just in case there are
any British Nova Romans I don't know about.
We intend to finance the banquet by splitting the cost of the
food between participants - on the basis of previous experiments, we
have found that a contribution of 15 pounds sterling per person should
cover everything nicely. This, of course, means that it is important
to let us know if you will be attending the banquet in advance, so
that we can plan our budget and the quantities of food accurately. We
will be serving up at around 8:00pm, although guests are welcome to
arrive earlier if they want to watch / participate in the cooking
process!
The aim of the banquet is to give British Nova Romans a chance to
get together and meet each other, and also to let me, your governor,
know what events you would like to see happening in Britannia in the
future.
The address at which the banquet will be held is:
Flat D3,
Merifield Building,
Ferry Pool Rd.,
Summertown,
Oxford,
OX2 7DU.
Precise directions can be got by contacting me, preferably including
the direction from which you will be approaching Oxford. Some very
rudimentary accommodation may be available (i.e. sleeping-bags on
people's floors) - please ask if you need it. Please also let us know
if you have any special dietary requirement (e.g. vegetarian).
I will look forward to seeing as many British Nova Romans as
possible in November!
Multas felicitates,
Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica.

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Subject:	Re: Campaign Roundup?
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:06:43 -0500

>
>Salvete, omnes...
>
>OK. For the benefit of those of us who can't keep track of the players
>without a scorecard, can someone put together a list or chart of who's
>running for what offices which are currently occupied by whom?
>
>How many candidates may we vote for for each office? (Are we electing
>one Praetor Urbanus or two? ...stuff like that)
>
>If this list also includes vacant posts needing to be filled, it could
>even attract some more candidates!

Yes a great idea. I will forward it to the Censores.

Vale L Equitius Cincinnatus


Subject:	Re: Roman banquet in Britannia
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:41:34 -0500

Claudia Aprica wrote:

> From: Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
>
> Salvete, Quirites!
> I am pleased to be able to announce that the Gens Claudia
> Lucentia will be hosting a Roman banquet in Oxford, Britannia, on
> Saturday November 21st, using recipes from the 1st century cook,
> Marcus Gavius Apicius.

Waaaahhhhh! I wanna go! Is this going to be one of those comfy reclining
banquets in the triclinium? How many slaves serving? Garlands de rigeur or
optional? If I come, will you send a snack out to my lictor? Pass the
garum!

-- Flavia Claudia


Subject:	Address-book catastrophe!
From:	Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:57:26 -0800 (PST)

Salvete, quirites!
Yahoo!, in their infinite wisdom, have just seen fit to wipe my
e-mail address book for no immediately apparent reason. This means
that I now have _nobody's address_ at all, and have to start again
from scratch (Yahoo! will be hearing about this, incidentally).
I could go to the gentes page, and copy everybody's addresses
down onto a bit of paper, and then type them individually into my
address book. However, if anyone out there is feeling kind, it would
make the job of reconstituting my book a lot quicker if people could
mail me, preferably putting their full Nova Roman name in the text of
their message (you don't need to put anything else - I'll know what
it's about), and I can then add them automatically to my new book. I
like to have as many Nova Romans' addresses as possible, so this
invitation is open to anyone who's happy for me to have their address!
Sorry to be a pain, everyone, but I had 54 addresses in all, and
I can't tell you how annoyed I am about this!
Vos magnas gratias ago,
Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica

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Subject:	Attn: Campaign of Antonius Gryllus Graecus for the office of Tribune of the Plebs
From:	"Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:03:54 -0000

Salve Cives!

Remember how the triumvirates led to civil war and the end of the Roman
Republic...

"People of Rome, beware of the triumvirates!!" - Antonius Gryllus Graecus


Subject:	Re: Roman banquet in Britannia
From:	Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:06:49 -0800 (PST)

---m--------oon@-------- wrote:

> Waaaahhhhh! I wanna go! Is this going to be one of those comfy
reclining
> banquets in the triclinium?

We thought about this long and hard, but realised we had no
appropriate couches, or indeed tables of the right height, so we've
resigned ourselves pretty much to ordinary chairs, unless we have some
last-minute brainwave...

> How many slaves serving?

I think the slaves' names will be Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica, M.
Claudius Lucentius Pavo and Cn. Claudius Lucentius Corvinus....

> Garlands de rigeur or
> optional?

I'm encouraging people to come in Roman dress (myself and Pavo will be
constumed) - garlands are as people see fit!

> If I come, will you send a snack out to my lictor?

Do Vestals get lictors? I guess we could let him have the scraps!!!

Anyway, don't worry about not being able to come - we'll down a hearty
toast to absent Nova Romans!
Vale,
Aprica.
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Subject:	Re: Address-book catastrophe!
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:07:57 -0500 (EST)

Marcus Minucius Audens
Nova Roma Military Tribune
of Engineering / Topography

James L. Mathews
jmath669642reng@webtv. net

adjutant42@--------

Vale and All the best!
Marcus

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Address-book catastrophe!
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:21:10 -0600

ummmmm, I never know who to reply to so I'll just reply to both names.

This OK, or do you need the name my Mom gimme too?? Home address????
Telephone number???

Can you feed a Yahoo to the Lions (is it dumb enough to go to
Detroit??)????

Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
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Subject:	Eagle Subscription
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:16:01 -0500 (EST)

I know that you are about as busy as busy gets, but I wanted to make the
following proposal and then you can take your time answering.

I was talking last night in the chat room with L. Marius Fimbria, and
she gave me this idea;

Would you be amenable to my donating a subscription of the "Eagle" to
Amythyst Crystal? It must not be known by anyone else, that I am making
this donation. If you agree, I will send the subscription money you
and then I would like you to announce on the Internet that Nova Roma has
decided to make her and her family a gift of the subcription for
whatever reason (You are the Consul, think up something good).

My reason for this, is that I have a hunch that it is a thing for me to
do, and I have found that I do better by following my hunches than by ot
doing so!

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Eagle Subscription
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:24:24 -0500 (EST)

Well I blew that! These damn machines! the check is on it's way!
Dumb, Dumb, Dumb and Dumbmer.

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Proposal for a Sodalicum
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:48:12 -0500 (EST)

Most Honored Roman Consuls!!

In accordance with instructions received from the Honored Consul M.
Cassius Julianus, I offer this Proposal for a Sodalicum for the Study of
Military and Civil Engineering and Mapping during the first century B.C.
through the first century A.D.; as well as looking into developing a
study to organize the Roman Army / Navy within Nova Roma.

In order to start the Sodalicum off properly, I intend to rely upon the
NR Message Board to announce the opening of such an institution,should
permission be granted, and to discuss references and projects whch can
be undertken by interested Nova Romans. The results of these messages
references and products will be recorded in a Sodalicum Notebook, with
pictures and text. Modeling will be encouraged, as will writing papers.
thesis' and doing research into the Civil / Military Architechture that
graced Rome during the Republic and the early Empire.

In addition to the above, the Sodalicum will attempt to organize the
Roman Army within the Nova Roma to the satisfaction of the members of
this institution. I believe that a minimal Consul's Guard should at
least be attempted, together with the Civil / Military Engineering
aspects and Mapping of the Republic / Empire.

This Proposal, I forward to you with a guarantee of purpose, and a
humble heart.

Vale; Most Honored Romans!!

Marcus Minucius Audens
Nova Roma Military Tribune
of Engineering / Topography.

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Eagle Subscription
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:50:36 -0500

Well I blew that! These damn machines! the check is on it's way!
Dumb, Dumb, Dumb and Dumbmer.

M. Audens

Ave et Salvete
You probably heard this before, but "the only one who never made a
mistake is the one who never tried to do anything".
Thanks anyway.
Vale L Equitius

PS A good craftsman never blames his tools :-)


Subject:	Re: Eagle Subscription
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:59:35 -0500

James Mathews wrote:

> Well I blew that! These damn machines! the check is on it's way!
> Dumb, Dumb, Dumb and Dumbmer.
>
> M. Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
> -

Okay, since you let the cat out of the bag...!

I just wanted to say that the people I've met here in Nova Roma are some of the
nicest people I've ever met. Audens was not the only Citizen to make this offer.
This shows a concern and comradeship among the Nova Romans that is astounding,
considering most of us have never met face to face. If we had any doubt about the
Roman Virtues becoming extinct, I don't think we have to worry about it as long as
people like these are around -- that particular flame is inextinguishable.

We Romans sure stick together, huh?

-- Flavia Claudia Juliana


Subject:	Re: Proposal for a Sodalicum
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:13:54 EST

In a message dated 98-10-27 15:48:22 EST, you write:

<< In accordance with instructions received from the Honored Consul M.
Cassius Julianus, I offer this Proposal for a Sodalicum for the Study of
Military and Civil Engineering and Mapping during the first century B.C.
through the first century A.D.; as well as looking into developing a
study to organize the Roman Army / Navy within Nova Roma.<<

Wonderful idea, Audens, count me in.

>> In addition to the above, the Sodalicum will attempt to organize the
Roman Army within the Nova Roma to the satisfaction of the members of
this institution. I believe that a minimal Consul's Guard should at
least be attempted<<

Are you speaking of a urban cohorte, or of a Praetorian guard detachment
drawn from the legate's legiones?

At any rate, whatever I can do to help.
Vale!

Q. Fabius Maximus


Subject:	So nice these good tears!!!
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:00:04 -0600

Salvete dearest Romans!!!!!

I have been touched by the kindness, generosity, good humor, empathy and
on and on that I have experienced within this group. Our lot has not
been easy and I had all but given up on human beings being anything but
the cold cruel creatures I have encountered lately (especially this
summer). I have found myself to be quite wrong, at least about this
bunch. You have supported me through my rough times AFTER the rough
time. You have made me feel a part of this little family and reminded me
that I do have things to contribute in times when I still, occasionally,
think little of myself. You have made me, who vowed never to love anyone
except my children into my life, love again. You have helped in my
healing, and I hardly know what to think of it. I have been very simply
shocked by the generosity and kindness of the people on this list, and
more than once found myself in tears reading the posts and seeing the
love and generosity of the people posting to me, publicly and privately.
I have (as the abused mind tends to do when confronted by goodness) tried
to figure out what you want from me, as you must want SOMETHING!! No one
is this nice without wanting something, right?? Well, I can't think of
one single thing that you want from me or my little brood. And I cannot
think of one thing I could do to thank or repay. All I can do is to say
thank you, and that seems little enough.

Thank you all for restoring my faith, my life and giving me love.

Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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Subject:	Re: Ericius posting and the Tribunician elections
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:10:37 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Ericius et omnes,

Thank you Ericius for your posting regarding the Tribunician election.
In response to you, the Praetor of California, I just have to ask
one thing: Where did you get the idea Antonius and I thought we were
going to lose the election? There are afterall, two Tribune offices.
I have never even hinted at the prospect that I was losing this
election. On the contrary, I believe I stand a good chance of winning
one of the positions. Also, I believe my total postings on the
election subject,counting this one, come to the massive total of three
(3). Honestly sir, I am touched by your concerns for Antonius and
myself, but I think they are unwarranted.

Also, I want it known that I am in this contest to the bitter end -
win or lose. In the initial announcement of my campaign, I told the
people of Nova Roma that I had the abilities, the drive and the
dignity to stand for and serve as Tribune of the People. Nothing has
changed that. In addition, I look forward to working with any of the
candidates, my colleagues/rivals for the office of Tribune or
otherwise, in bringing issues and concerns citizens have about Nova
Roma into the election discussions. To Plebeans and Patricians both,
I say this is a good time to voice your thoughts on Nova Roma. As
candidates, it is our obligation to learn and to know what the
population of Nova Roma wants to see done in the coming year. So I
extend an open hand and an invitation to my colleagues Antonius
Gryllus Graecus and Caecilius Metellus; we are at the center of the
real contest in these Nova Roman elections so far and we have a unique
opportunity to demonstrate how an election can bring out the best in
Nova Roma. We can show this young Republic the dedication, the
devotion and the drive the Plebean gentes possess. I believe we can
take these elections and Nova Roma as a whole, to a new level of
community, communication and confidence.

Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Qf Callidus, Praedans
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Candidate for Tribune of the People


Subject:	Re: Proposal for a Sodalicum
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:29:06 -0800

James Mathews wrote:

> Most Honored Roman Consuls!!

(Yeah, them.)

>
>
> In accordance with instructions received from the Honored Consul M.
> Cassius Julianus, I offer this Proposal for a Sodalicum for the Study of
> Military and Civil Engineering and Mapping during the first century B.C.
> through the first century A.D.; as well as looking into developing a
> study to organize

> the Roman Army / Navy within Nova Roma.

I'm always interested in res navalis. And I've carried a spear (while wearing a
skirt).

>
>
> In order to start the Sodalicum off properly, I intend to rely upon the
> NR Message Board to announce the opening of such an institution,should
> permission be granted, and to discuss references and projects whch can
> be undertken by interested Nova Romans. The results of these messages
> references and products will be recorded in a Sodalicum Notebook, with
> pictures and text. Modeling will be encouraged, as will writing papers.
> thesis' and doing research into the Civil / Military Architechture that
> graced Rome during the Republic and the early Empire.
>
> In addition to the above, the Sodalicum will attempt to organize the
> Roman Army within the Nova Roma to the satisfaction of the members of
> this institution. I believe that a minimal Consul's Guard should at
> least be attempted, together with the Civil / Military Engineering
> aspects and Mapping of the Republic / Empire.
>
> This Proposal, I forward to you with a guarantee of purpose, and a
> humble heart.

[?]

>
>
> Vale; Most Honored Romans!!
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
> Nova Roma Military Tribune
> of Engineering / Topography.
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>

I am interested in this project, as is probalby the other third of the
(unofficial) Sodales Sepia Senes.

C. Aelius Ericius


Subject:	Re: So nice these good tears!!!
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:34:43 -0500 (EST)

Oh there is something that we want from you alright! We want you up on
the same step as we are. We want you, to be funny when you wish to be,
and we want you to be outrageous when you want to be. We want you WITH
us and no-one can do that unless they are accepted by their peers

Oh yeah, we expect a lot from you, a big smile, your kids falling over
themselves having fun and you contributing as you may to this forum.

Yes, our expectations are the highest for you and yours, and I guess
from what I hear, we are going to get what we want. At least I hope so!

Vale and be well!!!

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Ericius posting and the Tribunician elections
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:38:54 -0500 (EST)

Hear Him! Hear Him! Well said! Well said!

M. Audens
Nova Roma Military Tribune

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Proposal for a Sodalicum
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:48:07 -0500 (EST)

That's great! I think that's three or four and that's at least an
Optio' s Guard isn't it? I will look forward to hearing your ideas if
the Sodalicum is approved, or even if it's not approved, we've almost
got enough to start a legio (Well, a very small Legio!)

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Eagle Subscription
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:51:19 -0500 (EST)

Well, that's all part of keeping the Barbarians at bay. When you can't
tell the barbarians from the citizens, it's time to take a fast chariot
outta town!!

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Eagle Subscription
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:04:10 -0500 (EST)

Well it was just a tad embarrassing, and I hope you didn't expect me to
take the whole rap for it did you? After all I'm not a Patrician and
that close to Olympus, I just a Plebe in the trenches!!!!

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Proposal for a Sodalicum
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:19:15 EST

In a message dated 98-10-27 17:55:28 EST, you write:

<< Optio' s Guard isn't it? I will look forward to hearing your ideas if
the Sodalicum is approved, or even if it's not approved, we've almost
got enough to start a legio (Well, a very small Legio!) >>

But we all want to be a centurio!! too old to be a pedes.

Q Fabius


Subject:	Re: Ericius posting and the Tribunician elections
From:	Ricci razenna@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:23:06 -0800

OPne. I am writing as a citizen of Nova Roma. Not as Praetor, or any other
office. You can get a hint from how I sign my name. It was in that sense
that I wrote my initial post.

Masterofhistory wrote: (aka Avidius Tullius Callidius)

> Salvete Ericius et omnes,
>
> Thank you Ericius for your posting regarding the Tribunician election.
> In response to you, the Praetor of California, I just have to ask
> one thing:

> Where did you get the idea Antonius and I thought we were
> going to lose the election?

Where? Why from the various posts and comments in the chat room where one
or the other of you have said that Metellus had won. Here is one quote:

The post that I responded to that you responded to was from A. Gryllus
Graecus. He was saying that he would fight on, but
From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------

Salvete omnes!

>>I can think of no one better suited, or more deserving, of the office of
>>Tribune than Metellus.
>It seems that I've lost the elections! =)))

>Valete!

>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

> There are afterall, two Tribune offices.
> I have never even hinted at the prospect that I was losing this
> election. On the contrary, I believe I stand a good chance of winning
> one of the positions. Also, I believe my total postings on the
> election subject,counting this one, come to the massive total of three
> (3). Honestly sir, I am touched by your concerns for Antonius and
> myself, but I think they are unwarranted.
>
> Also, I want it known that I am in this contest to the bitter end -
> win or lose. In the initial announcement of my campaign, I told the
> people of Nova Roma that I had the abilities, the drive and the
> dignity to stand for and serve as Tribune of the People. Nothing has
> changed that. In addition, I look forward to working with any of the
> candidates, my colleagues/rivals for the office of Tribune or
> otherwise, in bringing issues and concerns citizens have about Nova
> Roma into the election discussions. To Plebeans and Patricians both,
> I say this is a good time to voice your thoughts on Nova Roma. As
> candidates, it is our obligation to learn and to know what the
> population of Nova Roma wants to see done in the coming year. So I
> extend an open hand and an invitation to my colleagues Antonius
> Gryllus Graecus and Caecilius Metellus; we are at the center of the
> real contest in these Nova Roman elections so far and we have a unique
> opportunity to demonstrate how an election can bring out the best in
> Nova Roma. We can show this young Republic the dedication, the
> devotion and the drive the Plebean gentes possess. I believe we can
> take these elections and Nova Roma as a whole, to a new level of
> community, communication and confidence.
>
> Respectfully,
> Avidius Tullius Qf Callidus, Praedans
> Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
> Candidate for Tribune of the People

Good. It is about time you started to work for the post you are standing
for.Fortunately only Plebians are being asked to think about who they are
voting for.

Caius Aelius Ericius
[who must now go and get some cat sand]


Subject:	Re: Campaign Roundup?
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:34:16 EST

In a message dated 98-10-27 12:47:52 EST, you write:

<< OK. For the benefit of those of us who can't keep track of the players
without a scorecard, can someone put together a list or chart of who's
running for what offices which are currently occupied by whom?
>>

yes...this is a great idea.

--Dexippus


Subject:	Re: Roman banquet in Britannia
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:35:30 EST

In a message dated 98-10-27 13:01:37 EST, you write:

<< I am pleased to be able to announce that the Gens Claudia
Lucentia will be hosting a Roman banquet in Oxford, Britannia, on
Saturday November 21st, using recipes from the 1st century cook,
Marcus Gavius Apicius.
Although I realise the majority of people on this list won't be
able to come, I'm doing a general post anyway, just in case there are
any British Nova Romans I don't know about. >>

I wish I could be there! Air mail me a turkey leg or something!

--Dexippus


Subject:	Re: Eagle Subscription
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:39:33 EST

In a message dated 98-10-27 15:17:10 EST, you write:

<< Would you be amenable to my donating a subscription of the "Eagle" to
Amythyst Crystal? It must not be known by anyone else, that I am making
this donation. >>

Well...blew that one didn't ya? I think it's public knowledge now that you
sent it to the e-mail list. : )

--Dexippus


Subject:	Re: So nice these good tears!!!
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:43:12 EST

In a message dated 98-10-27 17:16:37 EST, you write:

<< I have (as the abused mind tends to do when confronted by goodness) tried
to figure out what you want from me, as you must want SOMETHING!! No one
is this nice without wanting something, right?? >>

Well...now that you mention it...how about your friendship? Oh damn...we
already have that! Oh well...guess you owe us nothing! : )

--Dexippus


Subject:	Re: Eagle Subscription
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:40:06 EST

In a message dated 98-10-27 15:25:12 EST, you write:

<< Well I blew that! These damn machines! the check is on it's way!
Dumb, Dumb, Dumb and Dumbmer. >>

But I love you anyway! : )

--Dexippus


Subject:	Address-book catastrophe!
From:	KWTY11A@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:23:30, -0500

Salve Claudia Aprica,
This is Marcus Terentius Varro aka Glenn K Wey 240 Kent Place
Blvd, Summit, NJ 07901 (908)-522-0486
email
kwty11a@--------
Vale,
M.Varro


Subject:	Re: Attn: Campaign of Antonius Gryllus Graecus for the office of Tribune of the Plebs
From:	"Robert Woolwine" Alexious@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:33:03 -0800

I have to comment...but just who are the members of this alleged
Triumvirates?

Lucius Cornelius Sulla,
Paterfamilias of the Gens Cornelius
Quaestor

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio M. R. C. Grilo amg@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:00 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Attn: Campaign of Antonius Gryllus Graecus for the
office of Tribune of the Plebs

>From: "Antonio M. R. C. Grilo" amg@--------
>
>Salve Cives!
>
>Remember how the triumvirates led to civil war and the end of the Roman
>Republic...
>
>"People of Rome, beware of the triumvirates!!" - Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Proposal for a Sodalicum
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:59:18 -0500 (EST)

If you all want to be involved in a centurio, my friend, than I guess we
better all start doing some "heavy-duty" recruiting. Besides someone
said you are as old as you feel Having a bunch of officers in one
platoon is really going to look strange! More about recruiting later!

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Address-book catastrophe!
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:25:16 -0800

Salus et Fortuna Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica;

I have read you plea and reply in this Forum to you and to anyone who
would like to share the information.

Stephanus Ullerius Venator, Paterfamilias Gens Ulleria (Plebian)
Incitor Sodalis Coqueror, Dominus Taberna Felis Montanus
Flamen Ullerus, Veteranus, Civis

epi--------a aethereu--------mgunn@--------

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7431 E. State St. #257
Rockford, IL 61108

Benedicte et Valete!

Venator


Subject:	Re: Eagle Subscription
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:10:27 -0500 (EST)

Why thank-you Dex! Here the other forty-two messages which reminded me
that I screwed up I was just sure were a prelude to you pointing that
fact out, but I never gave up hope that you would wake up at last and
read the embarrassing news.

Actually I didn't know that you have to have some sort of pass word to
send something to the Consul without passing through the Nova Roma List.

But as I have already been told once today,"A good carpenter doesn't
blame his tools."

Bering up under the pressure, but hating it;

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: So nice these good tears!!!
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:12:45 -0500 (EST)

Don't give up so easy Dex! Maybe we can weedle a free lunch when next
in the area!!!!

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: So nice these good tears!!!
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:53:14 -0600

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:12:45 -0500 (EST) jmath669642reng@-------- (James
Mathews) writes:
>Don't give up so easy Dex! Maybe we can weedle a free lunch when
>next
>in the area!!!!
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>

For you guys I'll cook anything your dear hearts desire!!!!!!!

"Waseca, Minnesota -- For an hour, for a lifetime"

Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Subject:	Re: Eagle Subscription
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:59:52 -0600

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:10:27 -0500 (EST) jmath669642reng@-------- (James
Mathews) writes:

>Bering up under the pressure, but hating it;
>
>M. Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>

If the pressure gets to bad, let me know and I'll beat the bad guys up
for ya (I have a feather pillow just aching to bop someone along the side
of the head)!!!

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Subject:	Re: Proposal for a Sodalicum
From:	"Michael Cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:28:15 PST

>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Proposal for a Sodalicum
>
>If you all want to be involved in a centurio, my friend, than I guess
>we better all start doing some "heavy-duty" recruiting. Besides
>someone said you are as old as you feel Having a bunch of officers in
>one platoon is really going to look strange! More about recruiting
>later!
>
>M. Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>>
Well, now, not at all strange, if you'd like to know. One of my
favorite, alebit modern, military hero's, Gen. H.R.N. MacIver, a
'filibuster' of considerable reputation from the last century, once took
part in a filibuster in Cuba. En route, he was placed in charge of
'...the company of unattatched officers of the exepdition.' I am also
reminded of the early 'White' formations of the Russian Civil War, made
up mostly of disenfranchised officers(not that it helped them much).....

Salve,

Gn Marius
>>
>
>


Subject:	Re: Proposal for a Sodalicum
From:	"Michael Cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:29:14 PST


Subject:	Re: Eagle Subscription
From:	"Michael Cessna" clinkerbuilt@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:35:05 PST

>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Eagle Subscription
>
>Well, that's all part of keeping the Barbarians at bay. When you
>can't tell the barbarians from the citizens, it's time to take a fast
>chariot outta town!!
>
>M. Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
>>
Barbarian-shmarians! OF COURSE we stick together! 'Polite society'
didn't like our ancestors, either, so they banded together to face the
unwashed(literally); how can we possibly do less?

Gn Marius
>>


Subject:	Re: by the way, the P.O. box works...
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:42:46 EST

In a message dated 98-10-27 11:44:39 EST, you write:

<< Goody! {whatever the latin is for that} >>

Vivat?

-----Secunda Floria Zonara


Subject:	Defensive End
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:48:00 -0500 (EST)

Thank you dear lady, for the kind thought and offer. I shall however
strive to stand up in a manly stance, stiff upper lip and all that you
know. "Keep a jolly face to the world, and none shall know your inner
pain"

Sorry I got carried away.

No problems here.

M.Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Defensive End
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:26:35 -0600

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:48:00 -0500 (EST) jmath669642reng@-------- (James
Mathews) writes:
>Thank you dear lady, for the kind thought and offer. I shall however
>strive to stand up in a manly stance, stiff upper lip and all that
>you
>know. "Keep a jolly face to the world, and none shall know your
>inner
>pain"
>
>Sorry I got carried away.
>
>No problems here.
>
>M.Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>

OK, just remember, my feathers are at your disposal!! (somehow that
sounded dirty!! It was meant most honorably however)

Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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