| Subject: |
Re: Explanations |
| From: |
Pythia kingan@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 08 Nov 1998 09:40:32 +0000 |
|
Mike Macnair wrote:
>
>
> "Requirements for being a good Anglican ..."
> Off topic? Well, I think the official paganism of the late Republic and
> early Empire (requirements for magistrates to sacrifice etc.) was probably
> not unlike the official Anglicanism of England in the late nineteenth
> century and down to to 60s.
Actually there is an article on the net someplace (I will try to find
it) written by an Italian living in Rome which equates the Anglican
church with the Religio in terms of organizational makup, and the fact
that the Queen is the titular head of the church....
Actually this page is linked to the Nova Roma site, because if i recall
correctly it is one of the sites with extensive information on the
Priesthoods.
Pythia
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| Subject: |
Re: Explanations |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:24:02 EST |
|
> Other goals- interesting, but exactly what goals other than forming
>the basis of a Religio Romana nation/state and informational resource
>that citizens can access in order to pursue hobbies such as history,
>reenactment, etc. I don't think anyone needs to be isolated since if a
>person were let's say a devout Christian opposed to all other forms of
>worship they wouldn't be here.
> There is a distinction made between public and private worship. If
>someone can accept offering a pinch of incense and stand at a
>ceremony/ritual honoring the very real Gods and Goddesses of the Religio
>Romana and yet have their belief in a Christian god or a Hindu
>god/goddess or whatever the case may be in that persons private life
>then there is no conflict of interest in becoming a magistrate. It
>really depends on the moderation of one's own viewpoint of the divine.
>Being respectful toward the Religio. I think that the entire pagan
>community here is kind of wary of someone not taking the Religio Romana
>with any seriousness at all and being elected to an important office- or
>worse trying to actively thwart it. That is why an oath is taken when
>one is elected to the gods. Just something I was thinking about today.
>
> Gaius Drusus Domitianus
Gaius Drusus, what you suggest here is very reasonable. All but the most
blindly devout or religiously intimidated should be able to stand
respectfully in a ceremony or offer a pinch of incense, and those who
can't aren't likely to come to Nova Roma anyway. If we could have some
official ruling that that level of participation in the Religio satisfies
the constitutional requirement, then I think there would be no problem.
Of course, I have no problem with it anyway (other than that I still
don't own a toga), but don't wish to see other Roman citizens relegated
to a second class citizenship on the basis of their religious devotion.
So what is the Nova Roman equivalent of the U. S. Supreme Court? Who says
what the Constitution means?
L. Sergius Aust.
id quod circumiret, circumveniat.
(What goes around, comes around.)
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| Subject: |
Re: Explanations |
| From: |
Nodigio@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:46:26 EST |
|
In a message dated 11/7/98 11:24:27 PM Central Standard Time,
LSergAust@-------- writes:
<< other than that I still
don't own a toga) >>
Speaking of which.......does anyone need patterns? In a previous business
incarnation, I worked as a garment restorer/duplicator for museums, so I have
tons of ancient clothing patterns.
Secunda FLoria Zonara
|
| Subject: |
Petitio Pro Quaestor |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 08 Nov 1998 00:02:06 -0800 |
|
Strenuus Salus et Bona Fortuna Omnes!
Ego sum Stephanus Ullerius Venator, Civis et Paterfamilias.
I am declaring myself to be a candidate for the Office of Quaestor.
I know that not so long ago I declared my non-candidacy for any office.
I have come to a personal turning point and have taken a decision. Under
the definition of Honoring the Religio Romana put forth by those who
wrote the Constitution in the recent discussions, and in a meditation
upon my own Religious Practices and Faithful Beliefs: I can give Public
Honor to the Relgio.
I am a native of W. Springfield, MA. I have an Associate of Arts degree
(Business Studies) and a few Professional Diplomas (Gunsmithing,
Construction Technology and Communications Technology). I am a Veteran
of 13 years service: 4 - Army National Guard, 9 - U.S. Air Force
Reserve. I was involved in the Boy Scouts from Cubs through being a High
Adventure Explorer Post Advisor. I've been a Participant or Member of
the SCA for 23 years (10 of them as an officer of one sort or another).
I possess basic computer skills. I am widely self-taught in an amazing
variety of topics. I have contributed to my Personal Religious
Community, and to the Eagle of Nova Roma.
I promise only three things beyond what is required by the
Constitutional job description:
1) I will try my best to assist the People of Nova Rome and the
Magistrate to whom I assigned.
2) I shall move forward with trying to found a Sodalis Coqueror for
Brewing, Vinting and Cooking.
3) I will provide recipes to the Eagle in a semi-regular column -
Taberna Felis Montanus - for all the Carnivores, Omnivores and
Herbivores amongst the Citizenry.
I thank you for your consideration.
Venator Pro Quaestor! Praescriptum Pro Omnes!
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| Subject: |
Clothing (was Explanations) |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:01:05 -0500 (EST) |
|
Secunda Floria Zonara wrote:
>Speaking of which.......does anyone need patterns? In a previous business
>incarnation, I worked as a garment restorer/duplicator for museums, so I have
>tons of ancient clothing patterns.
Yes, please! I'm especially interested in women's clothing but would also
like to see the men's stuff. Are these anything we could add to the current
resources on the Web site? If anyone has photos of people wearing Roman
costumes, I'd love to put those up too.
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Roman kiddies.../Additional address |
| From: |
amethystcrystallight@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:06:58 -0600 |
|
Salvete --
Now that my decision crisis is effectively over, I can move on to better
(if not bigger) obsessions.
Terry pulled a sheet out of the laundry, draped it over her head and
walked around wrapped in it. Made me wonder about Roman children. Which
gods are in charge of them? Did they participate in anything? Were they
like people, or basically educated, fed and housed until they were old
enough to vote. What about toys?? School (home schooling or did the
Romans have schools)? Will there be Senatorial action figures?
I would love to get into a discussion with whoever is interested, but I
don't want to clog the list with stuff that only a few of us may be
interested in. To cut down on the volume of mail, I have started yet
another email account for my Pagan Parenting list and any parenting or
children mailing list that may branch off of this one (hope springs
eternal). I have added the address to my signature. If you have
information and don't think it should be posted on this list, please
email my 'mommy address' (mater2romani@--------).
I also got the answer to my cesarian question (and am glad we are
modernizing!!!) and have all matter of questions about Roman family life.
Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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| Subject: |
Re: Clothing (was Explanations) |
| From: |
Asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:44:14 EST |
|
In a message dated 11/8/98 8:13:07 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
p--------@-------- writes:
<< Are these anything we could add to the current
resources on the Web site? If anyone has photos of people wearing Roman
costumes, I'd love to put those up too. >>
As a costumer by hobby I have found the web a very disappointing place for
Nova Roman women. Most of the web site use the same page that is very lacking
in lore and knowledge. we could combine our resources and really improve the
stuff that is out there
a few gleaned facts. The vestal Virgin wore a belt of seven tassles ( I belive
points to seven cords in that said belt).
In early times every adult wore the Toga however in later days Only a
prostitute would be seen wearing one( ok may be unwearing one)
I am always looking for more knowledge
P.A. Ancinna Olivia
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman kiddies... |
| From: |
Asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:09:43 EST |
|
In a message dated 11/8/98 9:05:25 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
amethystcrystallight@-------- writes:
<< Were they
like people, or basically educated, fed and housed until they were old
enough to vote. What about toys?? School (home schooling or did the
Romans have schools)? Will there be Senatorial action figures?
>>
Ohh I love this supject and as Nova Roma matures we must be prepare for the
children that will not doubt come! There is more about roman children avaible
knowledge wise than ever before.
It was old school thought that roman children were treated like little adults.
If you look at the body of toys ,loving letters to familys from soldier
fathers , other common objects I seriously doubt that.
yes the clothing might be the same, we do the same fashion statements today
for adults and children..just look at any department store. Once they are ou
of the swaddling its jeans and sweat shirts. the roman did the same thing.
<<What about toys??
o there is lots of toys, wooden pull toys and animals . Dolls and yes I guess
you could call them action figure!! Dice ,balls and other games for older
kids. there is a lot of information on this in childrens books about romans .
<<School (home schooling or did the
Romans have schools)? they did both. I dependents on ones finances. Some
times parents went together at got a teacher for a whole block.Or they home
scooled wih a tutor or a parent did it.
justy shareing knowledge
P.A. Olivia
|
| Subject: |
looking for book |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:14:46 EST |
|
Salvete omnes!
Does anyone here know where I might find the novel _The Protagonists_ by
Ernest K. Gann?
It is the sequel to _The Antagonists_ by the same author, which is a
dramatization of the siege of Masada by Legio X under Flavius Silva
(later made into the movie "Masada").
I have already searched for it at Amazon.com, without success.
Both books should probably be included in our list of books about Rome,
although I think both are out of print. I found my copy _The Antagonists_
in a flea market many years ago. Still searching for the sequel. Flavius
Silva disappeared from history after the "victory," and it would be
interesting to see what Gann made of his story.
Valete,
L. Sergius Aust.
sequella numquam tam bona est quam origo.
(The sequel is never as good as the original.)
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| Subject: |
Re: Clothing (was Explanations) |
| From: |
Nodigio@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:55:47 EST |
|
In a message dated 11/8/98 7:13:08 AM Central Standard Time,
p--------@-------- writes:
<< Yes, please! I'm especially interested in women's clothing but would also
like to see the men's stuff. Are these anything we could add to the current
resources on the Web site? If anyone has photos of people wearing Roman
costumes, >>
I'm not computer literate enough to do web stuff, but I can do things via
snail mail. I haven't the savvy to put stuff on the web or to anything like
that, plus, I don't have any way to scan the pictures and drawings I do have.
I have men's and women's patterns and styles from ancient Egypt to late
Victorian. And with measurements, I can make the patterns to fit most any
size (on butcher paper!). If you're interested, my snail mail address is :
P. O. Box 22291 Oklahoma City, OK 73123. Just send me an envelope big
enough to hold a full pattern (with postage attached!!! please), and I'll
draft up a pattern.
Secunda Floria Zonara
|
| Subject: |
Re: looking for book |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 12:58:02 -0600 (CST) |
|
L Marius Fimbria sez:
_The Antagonists_ was later released in paperback as _Masada_, and can
still be found in the used bookstores. I have never heard of the
sequel being called _The Protagonists_; far as I know I've only seen it
in paperback, and the title on that one is _The Triumph_.
Hope this helps...
---
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<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman kiddies.../Additional address |
| From: |
Nodigio@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:03:37 EST |
|
In a message dated 11/8/98 8:05:25 AM Central Standard Time,
amethystcrystallight@-------- writes:
<< Will there be Senatorial action figures?
>>
Actually, the Ken dolls drape up really well into Roman patricians! Barbies
are a little too thin for most Roman tastes, but I'm sure we can improvise!
They may even make decent looking athletes.
I think they had cute little dolls of their various Deities (well, if they
didn't MY kids did! I made a whole line of Deity Dollies and Mythological
Creatures for my children - my son - at 13, still sleeps with his centaur doll
and my 16 year old daughter loves showing off her Dryad and Minerva dolls).
They had racing chariots and horses, and all the assorted other things
children like to play with - sports equipment like balls were common.
We can always create Roman type toys for our children. We can improvise from
the existing marketed toys, and we can make them from scratch. Who says boys
can't have as much fun racing chariots as they do racing cars?
Secunda Floria Zonara
|
| Subject: |
Re: Clothing (was Explanations) |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:26:51 -0500 (EST) |
|
>From: Nodigio@--------
>
>In a message dated 11/8/98 7:13:08 AM Central Standard Time,
>p--------@-------- writes:
>
><< Yes, please! I'm especially interested in women's clothing but would also
> like to see the men's stuff. Are these anything we could add to the current
> resources on the Web site? If anyone has photos of people wearing Roman
> costumes, >>
>
>I'm not computer literate enough to do web stuff, but I can do things via
>snail mail. I haven't the savvy to put stuff on the web or to anything like
>that, plus, I don't have any way to scan the pictures and drawings I do have.
>
>I have men's and women's patterns and styles from ancient Egypt to late
>Victorian. And with measurements, I can make the patterns to fit most any
>size (on butcher paper!). If you're interested, my snail mail address is :
>P. O. Box 22291 Oklahoma City, OK 73123. Just send me an envelope big
>enough to hold a full pattern (with postage attached!!! please), and I'll
>draft up a pattern.
>
>Secunda Floria Zonara
>
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| Subject: |
apologies |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:30:22 -0500 (EST) |
|
my apologies for posting a content-free message to the list ... darn
computers, it's all THEIR fault ...;)
p. cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: Roman kiddies.../Additional address |
| From: |
Nodigio@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:34:24 EST |
|
In a m--------g--------t--------1/8/98 4:41:15 PM C--------al Standard Tim--------ingan@--------
writes:
<< Between your Roman Patterns and your ideas for toys, you should be
declared a National Treasure!!
>>
Thanks, but these are all pretty obvious things! Most anything that adults
used, were made in miniature for the children to play and learn on. It has
been thus in all cultures, and Rome and her children are no exception. From
clothing and cooking equipment to transportation and beyond. We do it today,
and we have so many things we can adapt.
Don't know about the rest of you, but in my dotage, I'll gladly admit I still
play with toys of all sorts. To heck with the kids - let's make them for
ourselves!
Secunda Floria Zonara
|
| Subject: |
Re: Explanations |
| From: |
"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:40:38 -0800 (PST) |
|
Wait a minute!
Everyone here has joined Nova Roma because they love Rome!
This is not, primarily, a religious organisation. Yes Nova Roma has a
state religion, but many countries around the world do, they don't all
enforce their religion on citizens!
I am living in one and I am free to follow my own beliefs!
I think you maybe need to re-read the constitution!
A. I. C Nocturnia
---Nodigio@-------- wrote:
>
> From: Nodigio@--------
>
> In a message dated 11/6/98 7:06:33 PM Central Standard Time,
> iuliacaesaria@-------- writes:
>
> << Look at it from the perspective of people of other beliefs.
> >>
>
> Aren't people from other beliefs free to join with those of like
mind? Were I
> to be a British Celtic Revivalist, I would join Celtic groups, and
were I to
> be a Christian, I'd join Christian oriented groups, and were I to be
Nordic,
> I'd join the assorted Asatru groups.... But I am Roman, and I
choose to join
> a Roman group. It's the same as if I were to go back to college and
join the
> Chess Club - they'd frown on me trying to insist that Snakes and
Ladders was
> an appropriate game for the chessplayers, and what they would do if
I tried to
> introduce dicing or tea leaf reading! The same applies here. The
Consitution
> is available for all to read, and it clearly states that the Religio
Romana is
> the primary reason for the founding of Nova Roma.
>
> If you wish to follow another religion - there are plenty of other
> micronations and groups out there to join. If you are interested in
things
> Roman and of the Religio Romana, then Nova Roma is the place to be
(Greeeeen
> Acres! sorry!).
>
> Secunda Floria Zonara
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Explanations |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" merullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:46:15 -0500 |
|
Salvete Luci Sergi et alii
You asked -
>
>So what is the Nova Roman equivalent of the U. S. Supreme Court? Who says
>what the Constitution means?
>
>L. Sergius Aust.
>
I think that the Senate of Rome is the nearest equivalent to the U.S.
Congress and Supreme Court rolled into one. Pretty convenient, I'd say.
>
>id quod circumiret, circumveniat.
>
>(What goes around, comes around.)
I enjoy your post-sig tidbits a lot.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
>
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| Subject: |
Re: looking for book |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:00:23 EST |
|
legion6@-------- 11/8/98 1:58 PM legion6@--------
>L Marius Fimbria sez:
>_The Antagonists_ was later released in paperback as _Masada_, and can
>still be found in the used bookstores. I have never heard of the
>sequel being called _The Protagonists_; far as I know I've only seen it
>in paperback, and the title on that one is _The Triumph_.
>
>Hope this helps...
Thanks! I'll start looking for _The Triump_.
L. Sergius Aust.
nullae satisfactionis potiri non possum.
(I can't get no satisfaction.)
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| Subject: |
What IS Nova Roma?? (was Explanations) |
| From: |
amethystcrystallight@--------) |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:24:24 -0600 |
|
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:40:38 -0800 (PST) "A. Iulia"
iuliacaesaria@-------- writes:
>This is not, primarily, a religious organisation.
I was under the impression it was. It is the one and only reason I
joined. So what's the deal? What IS Nova Roma?
Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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| Subject: |
Re: looking for book |
| From: |
Ricci razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 08 Nov 1998 18:27:20 -0800 |
|
Thry this place if you can't find it elsewhere:
www.bibliofind.com
even out of print paperbacks! Of course the s/h from Tasmania
might kill you.
Ericius
|
| Subject: |
Re: What IS Nova Roma?? |
| From: |
Ricci razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 08 Nov 1998 18:36:42 -0800 |
|
Salvete.
I think it might be an idea to take this question seriously. We
should probably try and work out a new statement, a new
definition. Of course the definition should be starting from what
we actually are at present, not what this one and that one
thinks, or wishes, or would prefer. Then those who think they
are no longer in the right place can decide what to do. What to
do might simply adjust their mental attitude towards Nova Roma.
I think this definition will not cause anybody to leave. It will
just prompt a general, "Yeah. That's right."
So I think you guys should form a committee and I'll have fun
reading the posts. --- ;-^) = tongue in cheek. But I am serious
about the first paragraph.
Caius Aelius Ericius
Paterfamilias gens Aelia
Pontiff
Praetor of California Provincia
(yes, I changed the cat boxes)
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| Subject: |
Re: Explanations |
| From: |
Nodigio@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:47:08 EST |
|
In a message dated 11/8/98 6:38:42 PM Central Standard Time,
iuliacaesaria@-------- writes:
<< they don't all
enforce their religion on citizens! >>
I don't recall anyone saying they were going to force anyone to follow any
specific religion, only that those offices which required public religious
observances be held by people who could fulfill those obligations without
mocking the religion or compromising their own beliefs. Those of us who do
follow the Religio Romana do not want our beliefs belittled, denigrated, or
made light of. There are many ways to serve Nova Roma. No one is 'forcing'
anyone to be a member of Nova Roma, or to run for an office whose duties they
cannot in all good conscience fulfill, nor to follow any specific spiritual
path. By historical tradition (one of the things Nova Roma seems to be
wanting to retain - as evidenced by our Consitution - and the writers of that
Constitution are still alive to ask if that is what they meant......), certain
offices were expected to lead certain religious ceremonies - no different from
the modern American tradition of "cutting the ribbon" or "christening" a ship
or bridge or building, or swearing to tell the truth in a court of law, or the
before game prayer and anthem. Is it so hard to ask that our political
leaders be able to fulfill the functions which make Nova Roma the unique
micronation it is? I personally fail to see the conflict here. If one's
religion is so strict one cannot in all good conscience fulfill the
obligations of an office, then why would one want that office? I will not
ever run for any office in Nova Roma for a variety of reasons, but the ability
to fulfill the religious aspects are not a part of my considerations (try age,
infirmity, etc....).
Secunda Floria Zonara
|
| Subject: |
Re: Explanations |
| From: |
"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:29:09 -0800 (PST) |
|
- nodifferent from
the modern American tradition of "cutting the ribbon" or
"christening"a ship
or bridge or building, or swearing to tell the truth in a court of
law,or the
before game prayer and anthem.
I can swear an oath in court and I live in a Curch of England country
and follow the Religio Romana!
A. I. C Nocturnia
---Nodigio@-------- wrote:
>
> From: Nodigio@--------
>
> In a message dated 11/8/98 6:38:42 PM Central Standard Time,
> iuliacaesaria@-------- writes:
>
> << they don't all
> enforce their religion on citizens! >>
>
> I don't recall anyone saying they were going to force anyone to
follow any
> specific religion, only that those offices which required public
religious
> observances be held by people who could fulfill those obligations
without
> mocking the religion or compromising their own beliefs. Those of us
who do
> follow the Religio Romana do not want our beliefs belittled,
denigrated, or
> made light of. There are many ways to serve Nova Roma. No one is
'forcing'
> anyone to be a member of Nova Roma, or to run for an office whose
duties they
> cannot in all good conscience fulfill, nor to follow any specific
spiritual
> path. By historical tradition (one of the things Nova Roma seems to
be
> wanting to retain - as evidenced by our Consitution - and the
writers of that
> Constitution are still alive to ask if that is what they
meant......), certain
> offices were expected to lead certain religious ceremonies - no
different from
> the modern American tradition of "cutting the ribbon" or
"christening" a ship
> or bridge or building, or swearing to tell the truth in a court of
law, or the
> before game prayer and anthem. Is it so hard to ask that our
political
> leaders be able to fulfill the functions which make Nova Roma the
unique
> micronation it is? I personally fail to see the conflict here. If
one's
> religion is so strict one cannot in all good conscience fulfill the
> obligations of an office, then why would one want that office? I
will not
> ever run for any office in Nova Roma for a variety of reasons, but
the ability
> to fulfill the religious aspects are not a part of my considerations
(try age,
> infirmity, etc....).
>
> Secunda Floria Zonara
>
>
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| Subject: |
Non-paid political announcement |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 08 Nov 1998 22:54:04 -0500 |
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To the Senate and the People of Nova Roma:
I am honored to join the company of the noble Decius Junius Palladius
and the noble Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus in announcing my candidacy for
Consul of Nova Roma, the first woman to seek this office.
I have been priveleged to be a Citizen of Nova Roma since April,
Curatrix Aquila, and Chief Vestal of the Vestal Order of Nova Roma.
As Consul, I wish to give the women of Nova Roma a larger role in
deciding the future of our Micronation, with the firm belief that the
viewpoints of both the men and women of NR should be held equally
important, with no bias toward either. In holding this office, I hope to
show that our Micronation is not the "old boy's club" so prevalent in
ancient Rome, but a progressive nation that values and encourages the
contributions and talents of all its Citizens.
I believe that Nova Roma can and will grow beyond our cyberspace
limitations. I believe that our mix of religious beliefs can be a source
of strength, proving that we can work out centuries of differences and
become an example of religious unity. This cannot be done without
controversy, as we have seen, but that very controversy can serve to
clear the air, to teach each other, and to become more aware of the
deeper role of religion as the means by which we become better people. I
certainly would welcome a ritual wherein a Pagan, a Christian and a Jew
(and anyone else I've missed!) all contributed, honoring ALL the gods
represented in our membership, aware that no deity or religion is any
better than any other. We don't have to believe in a religion or
practice it in order to respect it and the people it serves. The Roman
Understanding embraced all religions, and so will Nova Roma.
I've watched for the past few months as we've all grown closer, getting
to know each other and exchanging views here on the list and in the Chat
Room and via e-mail. We're still in our infancy, but we have a good
beginning. It's going to be very exciting to see where we go from here,
and even more exciting to be part of it.
-- Flavia Claudia Juliana
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| Subject: |
Re: What IS Nova Roma?? |
| From: |
Cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 8 Nov 1998 23:31:36 EST |
|
Salvete,
The Nova Roma website is quite clear as to what Nova Roma is, and is not. I
personally recommend the FAQ, the Cursus Honorum page, the Declaration and the
Constitution as documents which can be helpful in answering questions that any
Citizen might have.
If anyone has other specific questions that they feel are not covered in the
website material, please feel free to Email me, or any of my fellow Senators,
for firsthand assistance. We'll be pleased to help! :)
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Consul
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