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Re: What was that? Huh? |
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Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:48:14 EST |
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In a message dated 98-11-06 22:41:35 EST, you write:
<< Wow Dex, you are workin' that Strophum, honey! >>
But does it match the gold lame toga?
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Political Discussion |
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| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:52:00 EST |
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In a message dated 98-11-06 23:48:22 EST, you write:
<< As for any further apology, I suggest you NOT hold your breath while you
wait. I owe you none. >>
And I will consider both this and your insulting nature in future dealings
with you.
End of discussion. Agreed.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Explanations |
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| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:44:36 EST |
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In a message dated 11/9/98 11:09:09 PM Central Standard Time,
--------er--------@-------- writes:
<< As a matter of fact... Got anything in a nifty Roman style female ensemble?
Diana T. Hanley Bergman
proserpina@-------- >>
Several. Send me your measurements (shoulder to floor, bust, hips, arm
length), a snail mail address, and $.75 postage, and I'll send you the pattern
(men might want to add bicep measurement because it's not always as
predictable).
Secunda Floria Zonara
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| Subject: |
Re: What was that? Huh? |
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| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:47:45 EST |
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In a message dated 98-11-06 22:34:57 EST, you write:
<< here we have Damianus Lucianus Dexippus modelling the Strophum.
This ancient undergarment comes from Rome and was the equivalent of a
modern-day brassiere.
This amazing item can be worn in many different ways, our model,
Dexippus is showing us the straightforward wrap around and underneath
support way.
Next, Dexippus will be modelling as a dancing girl and showing off our
range of bikini briefs. >>
ROFLMAO! Could you just imagine...well, I can. I know there is a reason I
DON'T do drag (yep...that's right...big shock, right?). But it would be quite
comical!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: What was that? Huh? |
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| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:50:49 EST |
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In a message dated 98-11-06 23:05:51 EST, you write:
<< Gee Dex, I sure wish I had your figure!!! I wish I had ANYBODYS figure
(I'm looking more like a Teletubbie every day!!)
Where's the snack bar??? >>
The trick, my dear, lies in the Vometorium! Binge and Purge, sweetie! Binge
and Purge!
-Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: The Birth of Lapis Stone (Secundus Iunius Something-or-other) |
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| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:04:51 EST |
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In a message dated 98-11-07 04:24:05 EST, you write:
<< The rest of 'em probably figgered I'd
pull something like this to meet Romans/get some help out
here....LOL!!!!!! >>
Yep...as an Augur, I had forseen this!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Sharing clarification!! |
| From: |
Mega--------bin--------amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:09:05 -0800 |
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Health and Luck Amethyst!
It is said in Lore, that the Amethyst is a gem which guards against
poisoning. You are our anti-toxin, in my not so humble opinion.
Little Sister, I like you.
Fare Thee Well, in the Blessings of the Holy Ones!
Venator
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| Subject: |
Re: an idea for this list |
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| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:24:01 EST |
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In a message dated 98-11-07 09:16:59 EST, you write:
<< So I put it to you, the list members: Would it make sense to form a
separate list, called something like novaroma-chat, for our
community-building topics, and keep this list for more serious discussion
of Roman history and the operating of our organization? >>
IMHO, expanding to different lists complicates things. I think if we all
follow the guidelines you set forth on this list, we will be alright.
--Dexippus
<<yeah...I know you all have more e-mail from me than you have hair on your
head....what can I say....I should be a talk show host!>>>
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| Subject: |
Re: Explanations |
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| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:32:54 EST |
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In a message dated 98-11-07 17:39:51 EST, you write:
<< Dex, I understand your position that NR was founded at first as a religious
organization. BUT, it has taken on other goals as well...We need to account
for our other goals, too. What is most important, Religion, or everything
else. >>
Without once again being redundant about my position on this topic, I will
only say that it is not a matter of which is most important. They are both
important...but our model is the Ancient Model of Rome and in those grand
days, there was no seperation. You can have your private religion but if your
duties as a magistrate call upon you to offer public prayer or offering to the
Deities of the Religio, then you must be willing and able to do this.
I am hereby ceasing any further public reply to this debate. My position has
been made clear numerous times and on this I will not bend.
SET THE E-MAIL FREE!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: What was that? Huh? |
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| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:06:45 EST |
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In a message dated 98-11-10 00:55:47 EST, you write:
<< As long as it compliments, who cares if it matches?
>>
True..but I wouldn't want to be seen in public looking like Della Reese!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
R:[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma as nation/state was Political Discussion |
| From: |
Fabio Incutti incutti@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:50:23 +0100 |
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Salvete Sulla et alii.
Honorabilis Sulla, I see that the promise you made in Taberna of more politic postings has been honored.
Well well.
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Da: L.Corn--------s Sulla[SMTP:Al--------us@--------]
Inviato: martedì 10 novembre 1998 5.58
A: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Oggetto: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma as nation/state was Political Discussion
-----Original Message-----
From: RMerullo merullo@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 10:17 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Nova Roma as nation/state was Political Discussion
Salvete Luci Corneli et alii
I found your post very interesting and raising questions that transcend the recent heated debate over religion and its relationship to magistracies and senatorial rank (but come back to it, strangely enough).
In the interest of pursuing a debate on the applicability of these ideas to Nova Roma, I would like to match definitions with you.
I disagree...Republican Rome would of been a nation up to the point it began conquiring other peoples. Once Rome became a power (during the Punic Wars) it was no longer made up of Romans...it was made up of other peoples too..Italians, Sicilians, Greeks, and others. By the time the End of the Republic came...Lets face it ....Rome was an Empire, long befroe the first Emperor..even long before C. Caesar. Even after Citizenship was bestowed on all inhabitants of the Empire in 212 (i believe) Rome was not a Nation..but a State..in a sense..the Ulitmate State.
I think that as long as the conquering process proceeded, the idea of Roman nation changed and Religio Romana translated from Nation to State. I'll try to explain.
In the early times of Rome Religio was the commonly accepted base of the associated life. At that time Rome was a Nation composed by people living over two or three facing hills and they all recognized themeselves in the common religion as well as in the common army, in the common king, in the same law, etc. We could say that, at that time, the Roman nation and the Roman state were the same.
But, as the Roman egemony over new populations kept growing, the concept of Roman nation took a developing route completely different from the concept of Roman state. Roman state became an apparatus of laws, army, taxes, etc., organized to keep toghether different people with their differents habits and traditions; Roman nation became the idea of being a part of a civilization light to the world.
Of course, as it always happens, the state/apparatus took the religion to use it as a social control mean, so that Religio Romana was only superficially felt as a National simbol (i.e. it didn't give a sence of belonging to something) while it became a sort of _passport_ to enter into the social organization of the State. On its hand, the State was quite _happy_ of this situations 'cose its organization, as a result, was composed by men who shared a common idea of the State itself.
On the other edge, any Religious idea disappeared from Roman Nation and the idea of belonging to Rome was the idea of sharing a dream of civilization and culture, a dream that could be shared by an Illyric as well as by a Greek or a Breton, indipendently fron their religion.
Well..my definatation is still the same..I think that the Constituion uses the word Nation becuase of our common similarty the love of all things Roman. My problem with this is that we are losing track of the one thing we need to constantly focus on..and that is the stability of the State. Our Government cannot prosper when its citizens disagree on such issues. We need to compromise so that we can protect the State Religion, while allowing our CITIZENS the oppourntinty to particiapte in the Government. Compromise is essential in any Republic whether it be Ancient Rome or the United States. WIthout the ability to comprosmise we alienate our citizens, and prevent our goverment to tap into its full potental of Citizens. I have stated before that as I am running for Praetor Urbanis, and Next year I will be running for Consul, I will make it my agenda to see that OUR State will be able to utilize its most precious resource, OUR CITIZENS. Because we cannot allow the ability to compromise suffer for the sake of Religion or any other devisive issue.
I guess that the same representation of the facts could be applied, mutatis mutandae, to NR. This micronation was born to be a place where a number of people, recognizing themselves in the ideal of ancient Rome Nation, could live. As the thing growt, other people came in, fascinated by different aspects of the Roman culture (someone is above all interested in lirics and poetry, someone in army, someone in history) and they do not necessary believe in Roman Gods.
Roman Religion, as a result, is to be considered as a sort of glue of the State/apparatus, which gives uniformity and ensures each citizen that magistrates will act having a common _moral code_ (and a common legal code, i.e. the constitution).
I hope that these considerations could help the debate and the forecoming magistrates in their duties.
Valete omnes cives
Primus Fabius
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| Subject: |
Re: Lusitane |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:44:25 -0000 |
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Salve Horati Attice!
I'm really touched with your act...
The least I can do is tp include your poem in the Lusitania Web page. The
most I can do is to make you an honourable citizen of the Provincia
Lusitania... Well, but I think the latter wouldn't be fair, for Brasilians
are as heirs of the "the last flower of the Lazio" as the Portuguese, and
the very language you speak already makes you not honourable citizens of
Lusitania, but true citizens instead. As Professor Jose Hermano Saraiva
says, the Brasilian language is just a sweeter form of Portuguese, or
'Portuguese with African sugar'. And Portuguese is nothing more than the
'Latin spoke by the Roman soldier, sailor and merchant'.
Vale Amice Horati Attice!
Vale Brasilia Provincia!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
-----Original Message-----
From: T. Horatius Atti--------esteves@--------
To: novaroma <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 11:26 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Lusitane
>From: "T. Horatius Atti-------- esteves@--------
>
>Ave Graece! Avete cives!
>
>Considering my macaronic English and my chronic lack of time, I have been
>more reading than participating of this list. Ignotum vixi, but less for
>philosophical virtue than out of the circumstances. Now I have finally
found
>the time to join to this happy group.
>
>There is something I wanted to send Graeco, but couldn't untill now. I
>have chosen to post it in the mail list in order to render homage to the
>lusophone community and to the Portuguese itself, already called "the last
>flower of the Lazio". That is a poem that can be read in Latin and in
>Portuguese. Perhaps it will not be so interesting for the ones, vwho don't
>speak a neo-roman language, but I beg for your indulgence...
>
>(Legete hos versus lingua Lusitana et deinde sermone Latino, accento tantum
>trasposito)
>
> Aurora
>
> Salve, Aurora! Eia, refulge!
> Eia! anima valles, montes.
> Hymnos canta, o Philomela,
> Hymnos jucundos, insontes.
>
> Eia! Surge, vivifica
> Pendentes ramos, Aurora.
> Aureos fulgores emitte,
> Pallidas messes colora.
>
> Protege placidos somnos
> Inquietas mentes tempera.
> Duras procellas dissipa,
> Terras, flores refrigera.
>
> Extingue umbrosos vapores,
> O Sol, divina flamma.
> Lucidas portas expande
> Tristes animos inflamma.
>
>
>
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>Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or
>service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit
><a href="http://www.onelist.com/advert.html" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com/advert.html</a> for more information.
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| Subject: |
Special Election Eagle Edition |
| From: |
m--------oon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:48:47 -0500 |
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Since this issue will be the last issue of the Eagle before the
elections, I'd like to invite each candidate for office to submit a
statement of their position, or whatever, to be printed without change
or editorial comment in the November Eagle.
Rules:
-- 500 words or less. (Honest ta god, if you run over 500 words, I'll
cut ya off in mid-sentence! Everyone gets the same equal space.)
-- Include a picture if you like: either in .jpg or .bmp format, or send
the photo and I'll scan it
-- absolutely NO slamming the other candidates. No inquiring into past
love lives, either!!
The deadline is now MONDAY, NOV. 16 -- the Eagle will go out a little
late because of this, but I think it's important. Voting is in December.
This special edition is going to the entire Citizen list, so we're going
to have to forego the usual color, and probably have a temporary change
of format. But hey, content is more important!
All materials are to be sent to The Eagle, 74 Essex St. #1, Salem, MA
01970 or e-ma-------- to m--------oon@-------- by Monday, Nov. 16.
-- Flavia Claudia
Curatrix Aquila
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma as nation/state was Political Discussion |
| From: |
"RMerullo" merullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:16:03 -0500 |
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Salvete Luci Corneli et alii
You said-
Thank you, I am trying to go beyond the religious issues...to what I
believe is being overlooked in some of our citizens posting..and that is the
State itself. First off..I do not want to see religion divide our state.
We are all here for one abiding reason. that is our Love of all things
Roman.
I reply-
I agree emphatically! I do however, think that your examination of
statehood and nationality and their applicability to Nova Roma merit more
attention, which I offer herein...
There seems to be some contradiction in the position of whether Nova
Roma is a state, a nation or both. Note the following exchange, wherein you
disagree with my definition of 'state' and declare that NR is a state:
GMM-You use the term 'state'. Do you agree that a state is a set of
institutions through which some population (citizens, subjects etc.)
protects its common interests, by such means as laws and defensive
structures (police, militias, armies)?
LCS-No a state is much more than that..that is too simple a
defination..to me a State is a Soverign entity. That has the power to make,
implement and enforce its laws, is made up of citizens, and have the ability
to defend itself..but much more thant that. Philosophically we are not a
nation...we are a state.
Luci Corneli, your definition of state sounds much like the
definition of 'nation/state'; maybe our differences here simply boil down
to different Poli. Sci. professors.
GMM-Political scientists, as you know, use the combination
'nation/state' to describe the entities that comprise the modern
international system (or, if you prefer 'sovereign entities). Since Nova
Roma is dedicated to re-building Republican-era Rome, I think that the
application of modern terminology to an ancient subject, and to this
specific one, needs some attention before a meaningful debate can take
place.
LCS-No..according to our Constition it states..unequiviocally we are
a Soverign state. and I quote from the first line of our Constition. "We
the Senate and People of Nova Roma, as an independent and Soverign Nation,
here set forth this Constiution and structure of our governing institions
and common society." Even our Constitution declares htat we are more than
just a religious organization WE are a Nation, just as the United States is
a Nation, and as Ancient Rome was a State!
Luci Corneli, the quote that you have furnished identifies NR as a
nation; it does not explicitly state that NR is a state (although the
reference to governing institutions leaves little room for doubt). Why is
the difference important, you may ask. I'm getting to it.
GMM-I offer a definition of 'state' above; now for 'nation'.
Shared ethnic or social identity, usually identifiable by common language
(French is spoken by the nation of French people, German by the nation of
German people, etc.). Of course, not all modern sovereign entities fit this
definition well (Yugoslavia and the United States of America, among others,
deviate significantly from the nation/state model).
LCS-True that is a basic defination of a Nation. Granted.
GMM-I postulate that Republican-era Rome differs even more
significantly from the modern nation/state model. The state apparatus was
created largely to protect the interests of a much more closely-knit group
of people - a tribal nation, whose national bond was more perhaps more like
that of the Iroquois Nation than that of, say, the United Kingdom. Because
the development of modern states has borrowed heavily from Rome, we have a
lot of cognates and similar terms, but with very different meanings.
LCS-I disagree...Republican Rome would of been a nation up to the
point it began conquiring other peoples. Once Rome became a power (during
the Punic Wars) it
GMM-But you acknowledge that Rome started as a nation. This is an
important point.
LCS-was no longer made up of Romans...it was made up of other
peoples too..Italians, Sicilians, Greeks, and others. By the time the End
of the Republic came...Lets face it ....Rome was an Empire, long befroe the
first Emperor..even long before C. Caesar. Even after Citizenship was
bestowed on all inhabitants of the Empire in 212 (i believe) Rome was not a
Nation..but a State..in a sense..the Ulitmate State.
GMM-You are right. Other states and peoples were incorporated into
Rome in a variety of ways, sometimes peacefully, sometimes brutally, it's a
fascinating process. However, let us ignore for the time being the
extension of citizenship to all free 'denizens' of the Empire under
Caracalla - it was an event that occurred so late in Roman history as to be
basically irrelevant to my argument here.
GMM-I hypothesize that part of Roman 'nationality' (not
citizenship), in addition to language, was observance of Religio Romana.
The fact that religious duties were built into public offices of the tribal
nation, while laws dealing with religious diversity or justifying public
religious duties dont seem to be extant (noone has posted anything
supporting such, nor have I ever heard/read of it) lead me to this
hypothesis.
But, before this can move forward, can we establish agreement on
definitions, or do they need to be modified?
LCS-Well..my definatation is still the same..I think that the
Constituion uses the word Nation becuase of our common similarty the love of
all things Roman.
GMM-Right, Nova Roma is a nation (or Micronation), by its
Constitution and declarations. To my mind, it is significant that Nova
Roma's declarations and Constitutions are written as such, and not stressing
statehood (offices, defensive structures etc.) first and foremost. I would
like to return to my hypothesis, to which you have agreed, namely that there
was a Roman nation preceding incorporation of other groups. Nova Roma is
like an infant analogue of that ancient nation; it is just beginning to
form. NR does not have the formative advantages of constituents' geographic
proximity, external threats, shared lineage or even common language (dont
forget that we have many members around the orbis terrarum). Without such
things, NR needs to create a 'national idea' in order to indoctrinate its
people and incorporate them as individuals. If no such idea is promulgated
successfully, I theorize that NR will be a short-lived experiment, and there
wont be offices to run for within a couple of years.
LCS-My problem with this is that we are losing track of the one
thing we need to constantly focus on..and that is the stability of the
State. Our Government cannot prosper when its citizens disagree on such
issues.
GMM-Luci Corneli, we cannot move forward without establishing who we
are as a group. What utility is there in electing leaders if there is noone
to lead and nowhere to go? Religio Romana is a critical ingredient in Roman
nationality, and one which can be embraced by individuals in the here and
now to nurture their Romanitas (thank you Fimbria for using this term first
here). That, I think, is one reason why some people here, even though they
have little or no personal tradition of Religio Romana, are trying to
protect and promote it.
LCS-We need to compromise so that we can protect the State Religion,
while allowing our CITIZENS the oppourntinty to particiapte in the
Government. Compromise is essential in any Republic whether it be Ancient
Rome or the United States. WIthout the ability to comprosmise we alienate
our citizens, and prevent our goverment to tap into its full potental of
Citizens.
GMM-While I generally agree with your statement, I would like to
point out that our spiritual ancestors who built the City did not compromise
much in their early years. Just ask Hannibal's or Jugurtha's shades, how
compromising the Romans were in their dealings with them. Or, better yet,
ask any Samnite. The Romans were about as compromising with their neighbors
in Italy as early European settlers were with native American Indians in our
U.S. history. Ferro Igneque, that's how we assimilated the Samnites. This
uncompromising drive served the Romans well in the early Republic, but let
them down later, for instance in precipitation of the Social War in which
our namesakes fought side-by-side. Clearly, Nova Roma has not reached this
stage of development (and probably never will, because the development of a
micronation such as this will never progress in such a manner as to breed
'socii'-note our condemnation of war and territorial expansion).
LCS-I have stated before that as I am running for Praetor Urbanis,
and Next year I will be running for Consul
GMM-Really? You already know that you'll be in position to
contribute so critically to NR, so far in advance? That's admirable. I
myself cannot run for anything, because of primarily three things:
1. Time constraints: it may sound like a cop-out but it's not. I
am commuting a long, long distance to work right now, and, if I were elected
into an office, my wife would give birth to my child right in the middle of
my term. Somehow I dont think that a first-time Daddy would make that great
of a magistrate.
2. In the words of the honorable Venator "Religious Scruple". I'm
not a practicing Roman pagan at this time.
3. Novus Homo - I just got here; I am too new to presume that I
can lead.
LCS-I will make it my agenda to see that OUR State will be able to
utilize its most precious resource, OUR CITIZENS. Because we cannot allow
the ability to compromise suffer for the sake of Religion or any other
devisive issue.
GMM-Well, you have an idea to propagate, and it's a sound one in my
view. I would assert again, however, that 'nationality' needs to be
established before the 'details' of statehood can be refined, and the
Religio is the best chance we have for achieving 'nationality'. I would
also advise caution in the means applied to achieve any consensus at this
stage; a dictatorship, for example, would not only be highly undesirable
but just as unfeasible.
LCS-I stand to you as a Fellow Roman, who respects the State
Religion, as much as I respect my own personal belief. We must allow a
compromise it is in the Best interest of the State, and in the best interest
of ourselves.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla, Quaestor
Candidate for Praetor Urbanis
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
LONG political statement |
| From: |
m--------oon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:55:04 -0500 |
|
Another non-paid political announcement from Flavia Claudia, Independent
Candidate for Consul.
This is a VERY PRAGMATIC statement of my position on the place of
religion in Nova Roma.
If you’re not interested or offended by the whole issue: Delete this and
save yourself an ulcer. But as a voter, you have a right to know where I
stand on this.
A friend wrote me in private e-mail:
>>It's not about belief...it is about respect. But there are some
members of Nova Roma that…have very strong personal religious beliefs
against offerings to other deities that they can't possibly serve in
good conscience as a magistrate...and they still want to run for
office.<<
Well, ya know what? I'd really like to be the Pope and wear that cute
outfit. But I'm so upset that if I did get the job, they’d actually
expect me to mention Jesus once in a while and do that
‘transubstantiation’ thing. I wonder if they'd mind changing 2,000 years
of dogma for me, even though I KNEW that rule when I joined up? (And in
answer to the age-old question: Is the Pope Catholic? The answer is "not
necessarily". All that is required is that you be baptized and male.
Although I don’t see many Mormons lining up for the job.)
My opinion (as a candidate) is that if you want to join a group, and you
read the rules and understand them, and you join ANYWAY, then don't moan
because the group resists changing just for you.
I think Nova Roma has bent over backwards to try to accommodate all
religious opinion here, by granting all religions the respect they
deserve. However, the Constitution says that the Religio Romana is the
official religion of the State. It's the very first statement in Article
VI, so you can't exactly miss it. The second sentence spells it out even
more clearly. This is not discrimination: it’s a condition of running
for office, and a condition that was made clear from day one.
Now, if you take exception to this and you want to change it, either get
yourself elected to office or lobby your local Magistrate with a well
thought-out petition for a Constitutional amendment. And take your
chances as to whether that amendment passes or not.
But don't join Nova Roma thinking that the Constitution should not
apply to you because your particular god would be upset if you honored
the gods of Rome. That's not our problem, actually; it's a matter
between you and your god and is private. If you believe that your god
would be offended: DON'T RUN FOR OFFICE. We’re not asking you to choose
between your beliefs and a Nova Roma office: you made your choice when
you joined. Maybe you should go to your god and tell him or her that
you’d like to run for office, so why doesn’t he or she bend his or her
own rules a little? If you’re asking Nova Roma to change, maybe that
works both ways. I don’t know how inflexible your god is: only you know
that.
Come on, cives: this is analogous to knowingly going into a vegetarian
restaurant and getting pissed off because they don’t serve burgers. I
know it’s a frivolous comparison, but it’s accurate. As far as I know,
nobody was DRAFTED into Nova Roma or was lured here under false
pretenses. I don’t know how we can be any more up front with this whole
issue than putting the Constitution on the Web site for everyone to
read.
And what is this moaning about you can’t contribute your talents if
you’re not a magistrate? There’s nothing that says you can’t make an
impact as a private Citizen! In fact, you can probably make a heck of a
difference because you’re able to concentrate on a single task instead
of the overwhelming burdens that go with some offices. What’s more
important to you: actually getting satisfaction from doing the work or
parading around in the laurels? There's plenty you can contribute to
Nova Roma as a private Citizen – I was a private Citizen when I wanted
to establish the Vestal Order -- and if you think it's low-rent just
being a private Citizen, then you don't realize what a privilege it IS
and WAS to be a Citizen of Rome.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
--Flavia Claudia
Candidate for Consul
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| Subject: |
Could anybody read this? :-) |
| From: |
<--------lass="msghead"> Ar-------- Souza Rodrigues ar--------rpora--------@--------
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:9:54 -0300 |
|
PEOPLE OF NOVA ROMA!!!
Well... My name is Arthus Rodrigues (my real name is Arthur Souza Rodrigues), I'm brazilian, not very clever, 15 years old and lover of Rome. :) I wonder if
anybody could help me (em Português de preferência) in Nova Roma things, like Governament, history, actual citizens and latin. :) I want to learn something in latin...
My e-mails are: art--------rodrigues@-------- cc: artscorporation@t... . And my UIN is 1779742. Contact me, please!!!
Yours truthfully,
Arthus Rodrigues
|
| Subject: |
Re: Could anybody read this? :-) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:32:11 -0000 |
|
Salve!
Eu sou portugues.
Se preferes podes tambem enviar email para um compatriota teu e meu amigo
Horatius Atticus.
O email dele e esteves@--------
Ele sabe mais Latim do que eu, pois estudou durante o curso.
Ja agora, se quiseres dar uma vista de olhos...
<a href="http://gama.inesc.pt/Lusitania" target="_top" >http://gama.inesc.pt/Lusitania</a>
Vale!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
P.S. Site de coisas de Latim:
<a href="http://www2.csbsju.edu/library/internet/latin.html" target="_top" >http://www2.csbsju.edu/library/internet/latin.html</a>
-----Original Message-----
From: Ar-------- Souza Rodrigues ar--------rpora--------@--------
To: Lista de Nova Roma <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 5:21 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Could anybody read this? :-)
From: Ar-------- Souza Rodrigues ar--------rpora--------@--------
PEOPLE OF NOVA ROMA!!!
Well... My name is Arthus Rodrigues (my real name is Arthur Souza
Rodrigues), I'm brazilian, not very clever, 15 years old and lover of Rome.
:) I wonder if
anybody could help me (em Portugujs de preferjncia) in Nova Roma things,
like Governament, history, actual citizens and latin. :) I want to learn
something in latin...
My e-mails are: art--------rodrigues@-------- cc:
ar--------rpora--------@-------- . And my UIN is 1779742. Con-------- me,
please!!!
Yours truthfully,
Arthus Rodrigues
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| Subject: |
Isnt this great? was Explanations |
| From: |
"RMerullo" merullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:21:31 -0500 |
|
Salvete
Where else but in our beloved NR do women request mens' bicep measurements?
Nova Roma domus mea est.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
-----Original Message-----
From: Nodigio@-------- Nodigio@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 12:53 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Explanations
>(men might want to add bicep measurement because it's not always as
>predictable).
>
>Secunda Floria Zonara
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| Subject: |
Meanwhile, in OLD Roma |
| From: |
m--------oon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:18:44 -0500 |
|
This guy should have known that you can't fool Italians! Especially
Romans! Especially about spare body parts.
LOS ANGELES, Nov. 7 (UPI) -- Italian authorities used a sting
operation to nab a Los Angeles man suspected of operating an
international organ transplant brokerage on the Internet.
The Los Angeles Times reports the FBI is still trying to
determine
whether James Cohan is simply a scam artist who never delivered promised
organs.
Cohan was arrested Oct. 5 in Rome on charges of selling body
parts
when he allegedly arranged a kidney transplant for a large fee.
Cohan has been under investigation by the FBI since 1994 because
of
complaints from the Southern California organ procurement agency that
Cohan solicited some of their patients.
Cohan allegedly demanded a $10,000 application fee and claimed
he
could arrange transplants outside the United States to avoid
bureaucratic ``red tape.''
He allegedly charged $225,000 for heart, lung and liver
transplants
and $125,000 for kidney transplants.
Italian authorities enlisted the help of a transplant specialist
to
lure Cohan to Rome to obtain a kidney for a fictitious patient. Cohan
was arrested after a meeting with Dr. Dario Alfani, during which
allegedly he outlined his plan to procure the kidney.
The FBI's Los Angeles field office says it is interested in
talking
to anyone who has had dealings with Cohan, who did business out of his
home as Jim Cohan and Associates.
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| Subject: |
Update of the Lusitania Web page... |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:15:52 -0000 |
|
Salvete omnes!
The Lusitania Web page now includes a listing with some of the Roman auxiliary units recruited in the territory of the provincia.
Valete!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
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| Subject: |
ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul |
| From: |
"RMerullo" merullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:33:45 -0500 |
|
Salvete Cives Novae Romae
A vote for Flavia Claudia is a vote for the Mos Maiorum and its
reaffirmation here in Nova Roma! Every armchair historian knows that Roman
consuls ran and were elected singly, not in teams! Otherwise, how else did
consuls end up in office who held opposing views, such as Caesar and
Bibulus?
Prove that Nova Roma is prepared to fast-forward through centuries of male
chauvinism by electing a woman to its highest magisterial office! Vote
Flavia Claudia for Consul!
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:14:01 -0000 |
|
Ave Roma!
>A vote for Flavia Claudia is a vote for the Mos Maiorum and its
>reaffirmation here in Nova Roma! Every armchair historian knows that Roman
>consuls ran and were elected singly, not in teams! Otherwise, how else did
>consuls end up in office who held opposing views, such as Caesar and
>Bibulus?
My campaign was persecuted because of defending this same opinion. Now I
know I'm not alone!
My full support to Flavia Claudia, Consul of Nova Roma! A vote for the
people!
Valete!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
-----Original Message-----
From: RMerullo merullo@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:03 PM
Subject: [novaroma] ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula
exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul
>From: "RMerullo" merullo@--------
>
>Salvete Cives Novae Romae
>
>A vote for Flavia Claudia is a vote for the Mos Maiorum and its
>reaffirmation here in Nova Roma! Every armchair historian knows that Roman
>consuls ran and were elected singly, not in teams! Otherwise, how else did
>consuls end up in office who held opposing views, such as Caesar and
>Bibulus?
>
>Prove that Nova Roma is prepared to fast-forward through centuries of male
>chauvinism by electing a woman to its highest magisterial office! Vote
>Flavia Claudia for Consul!
>
>Valete
>
>Gaius Marius Merullus
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:35:19 -0500 |
|
Subject: [novaroma] ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula
exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul
Salvete Cives Novae Romae
>
>A vote for Flavia Claudia is a vote for the Mos Maiorum and its
>reaffirmation here in Nova Roma! Every armchair historian knows that Roman
>consuls ran and were elected singly, not in teams! Otherwise, how else did
>consuls end up in office who held opposing views, such
>as Caesar and Bibulus?
>
So now a vote for F Claudia is a vote for the Mos Maiorum. I suppose
I should now apply to be Vestal Virgin... oops I have Four children I guess
that's out, and for that matter and all other political post if you must be
A Vestal as a prerequisite. :-)
Every armchair historian knows that being a Vestal is not part of the
Cursus Honorum, but Praetor is ;-)
>Prove that Nova Roma is prepared to fast-forward through centuries of male
>chauvinism by electing a woman to its highest magisterial office! Vote
>Flavia Claudia for Consul!
>Valete,Gaius Marius Merullus
>
Really, playing the "sexism card" in Nova Roma sounds disingenuous.
Women have all the rights as men do here. Except, I could not be a Vestal.
A Vote for Cincinnatus and Palladius is a Vote for the Real Mos Maiorum.
Valete L Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:48:32 -0500 |
|
Subject: [novaroma] Re: ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula
exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul
Salvete Quirites
>My campaign was persecuted because of defending this same opinion. Now I
>know I'm not alone!
Really? And just how has your campain been "persecuted"?
>My full support to Flavia Claudia, Consul of Nova Roma! A vote for the
>people!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam
And a vote for Cincinnatus and Palladius is a vote for NOVA ROMA!
Valete, Lucius Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:12:35 -0000 |
|
Salve Luci!
>>My full support to Flavia Claudia, Consul of Nova Roma! A vote for the
>>people!
>And a vote for Cincinnatus and Palladius is a vote for NOVA ROMA!
Good answer... Appropriate for a member of the Senatorial Party in ancient
Rome. =)
Vale!
P.S. People of Rome, beware of Triumvirates! =)
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius v--------l@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:49 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula
exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul
>From: "Lucius" v--------l@--------
>
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for
Consul/Epistula
>exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul
>
>
>Salvete Quirites
>
>
>>My campaign was persecuted because of defending this same opinion. Now I
>>know I'm not alone!
>
>Really? And just how has your campain been "persecuted"?
>
>>My full support to Flavia Claudia, Consul of Nova Roma! A vote for the
>>people!
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam
>
>And a vote for Cincinnatus and Palladius is a vote for NOVA ROMA!
>
>Valete, Lucius Equitius
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Isnt this great? was Explanations |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:09:42 EST |
|
In a message dated 98-11-10 13:36:16 EST, you write:
<< Where else but in our beloved NR do women request mens' bicep measurements?
>>
Yep....and they e-mail them all to me! They're all on record guys!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:35:59 -0500 |
|
> A vote for Cincinnatus and Palladius is a vote for NOVA ROMA!
>Good answer... You betcha!
>
>P.S. People of Rome, beware of Triumvirates! =)
Gee! I'd like to know, who is the Third person??
Maybe he watches too much TV? :-)
Vale L Equitius
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| Subject: |
ATTN: Campaign |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:43:45 -0500 |
|
Salvete, Quitrites
I too show my face to Nova roma!
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/gallery/index.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/gallery/index.html</a> and
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/reenactments/lorica_hamata.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/reenactments/lorica_hamata.html</a> Who else
will take up arms for Nova Roma?
A Vote For Palladius and Cincinnatus is a Vote for Nova Roma!
Hey!, Got to get the Wife and Kids in Too!
<a href="http://www.multiracial.com/photos/photos-cope.html" target="_top" >http://www.multiracial.com/photos/photos-cope.html</a>
Hey! You know Who
Valete Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
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| Subject: |
Icq add me |
| From: |
"Gauis Triump--------" poeticfiend@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:31:20 PST |
|
Salvete Omnes!
For those of you I have not added to my ICQ contact list, I would like
you to contact me at 18039812. I have been putting Nova Romans on my
contact list for an easy way to contact people.
Tibi Magni Gratias Ago
Gaius Triumphius Cicero
|
| Subject: |
Re: Could anybody read this? :-) |
| From: |
"T. Horatius Atti-------- esteves@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:37:12 -0200 |
|
Ave Cives!
Taking into consideration the discussion about the purposes and the
limits of this list, I feel obliged to make this explanation.
The reason why I will answer this message trough this list and not
privately is that there can be more citizens in Brasilia Provincia with the
same difficulties as Arthur. As some of you know, Brasilia has got a lot of
Cives, but we are rather isolated than working as a real nation.
One of our problems regarding the integration with Nova Roma is the
English language. I am quite sure each novaroman citizen in Brasilia can
understand English, but it remains nevertheless a FOREIGN language for us.
That is why I will answer Arthur in Portuguese.
Salve, Arthur!
Bem-vindo a Nova Roma!
Sua primeira mensagem para esta lista já a havia visto, e iria mesmo
responde-la de pronto se nao tivesse me perdido em meio a tantas outras
mensagens. Acredito que outros concidadaos tambem o fariam, nao fosse ter
ela chegado a esta lista bem no meio de uma seria discussao institucional
(nao se preocupe, entretanto, pois nem sempre as coisas por aqui sao assim
tao sisudas!).
Causa-me imensa alegria sabe-lo tao interessado nas coisas romanas, ja
que sao justamente delas que eu e muitos amigos diletos (como, v.g. o
proprio Antonius Gryllus, que lhe respondeu anteriormente) nos vemos
rodeados, e com a ajuda delas que perseveramos nesta vida. Nao imagino como
seria minha vida sem os poemas de Horacio, ou mesmo sem as frases mais
simples e lapidares da sabedoria dos antigos. Nao sobreviveria por muito
tempo neste lugar se a vida fosse somente Coca-cola, hamburguer e filmes de
Hollywood...
Suponho que voce, efetivamente, ainda nao se inscreveu como cidadao.
Para tanto, precisara escolher um nome e uma familia (isto se voce nao
quiser comecar uma familia). Tendo ja feito tudo que se impoe, basta comecar
a se inteirar do funcionamento de nossa Republica. Para isso, nada melhor do
que acompanhar a e-mail list, visitar a pagina de Nova Roma, e se comunicar
com outros concidadaos.
Eu e a gens Horatia estamos a sua disposicao, bem como a de todo e
qualquer brasileiro em NR, para esclarecer qualquer duvida e prestar
qualquer esclarecimento, e mesmo para simplesmente batermos um papo.
Outrossim, estudamos a ideia de montarmos uma pagina sobre a Provincia
Brasilia e uma lista de discussoes.
Um grande e cordial abraço!
Valete Cives!
Titus Horatius Atticus
esteves@--------
|
| Subject: |
A Nice Little Recipe |
| From: |
Mega--------bin--------amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:53:09 -0800 |
|
Salvete Omnes;
In keeping with my campaign pledge, here is a recipe for a nice little
cherry sweet.
Chyroun
Take fresh black cherries, wash and pit them, use enough to yield 1
pound of fruit.
Force the cherries through a fine strainer in to a large mixing bowl.
Add to the pulp, 1/2 cup Honey, 2 Tbs Balsamic Vinegar, 1/2 tsp
cinnamon, 1/2 tsp grated ginger root, a pinch of saffron.
Mix in 2 cups of whole wheat flour (a little more may be needed to
smooth out the texture). Cut in 1/4 lb of sweet butter (or vegetable
shortening). Blend until a thick paste is made (add extra flour if
needed). Smooth out the dough with two large eggs, well beaten. (The
eggs can be replaced by 1/2 cup of applesauce with 2 tsp vegetable oil.)
Chill, then divide into 16 even balls. Place on a greased and floured
baking tray. Flatten slightly. Bake in a 350F oven for 20 - 30
minutes, until golden brown. Serve with a cherry preserve garnish.
I would enjoy any comments.
Vale, Venator
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| Subject: |
The continuing saga of Lapis... |
| From: |
amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethyst C Light) |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:47:26 -0600 |
|
Salvete --
OK....the doctors appointment was today. Lapis is just fine and dandy,
thank you very much. So well in fact the doctor could not get a pulse
because he was kicking so much (she poked him first, honest!!).
The cesarian has been approved, but no date has been set. The doctor
doesn't like the February 15th date, as it is too close to the actual due
date, increasing my chances of going into labor BEFORE the appointed
time. She is thinking the beginning of February. She has to get in
touch with the surgeon in Owatonna and see what dates they are available
to come to Waseca to perform the section (small town life, gotta love
it!!). We will settle on a date at my next appointment.
My next appointment is December 1st . Besides the regular prenatal, I
will have the glucose tolerance test for gestational diabetes. I will
also have another ultrasound on December 14th (no one seems to know
exactly why, except that I am still a high risk pregnancy).
All in all an uneventful appointment. I like em that way!!
Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
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| Subject: |
The due date question.... |
| From: |
amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethyst C Light) |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:00:20 -0600 |
|
I am now open to suggestions for Lapis' birthday. I welcome all
suggestions (as long as they fall between January 25th and, say, February
12th and are going to be a weekday). This way I can maybe have a clue (I
really don't want them assigning me a cesarian date) as the date to
suggest.
Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul |
| From: |
m--------oon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:01:09 -0500 |
|
Lucius wrote:
>
> Really, playing the "sexism card" in Nova Roma sounds disingenuous.
> Women have all the rights as men do here. Except, I could not be a Vestal.
Hey, you can be a Vestal if you want to and meet the qualifications! It
wasn't MY idea to keep it to women only in the first place. The four
kids and your wife might raise some objections, though...
-- Flavia Claudia
|
| Subject: |
Re: Could anybody read this? :-) |
| From: |
Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:14:23 -0800 |
|
Salve, Arturus Rodgrigues!
I read you lousd and clear. I'm glad our Praetor of Lusitania has responded to your requests since he certainly speaks Portugese.
I look forward to hearing more from you in the future.
Caius Aelius Ericius
Praetor ad Californiam Provinciam
Pontiff
Paterfamilias gens Aelia
&g--------rom: Ar-------- Souza Rodrigues ar--------rpora--------@--------
>
> PEOPLE OF NOVA ROMA!!!
>
> Well... My name is Arthus Rodrigues (my real name is Arthur Souza Rodrigues), I'm brazilian, not very clever, 15 years old and lover of Rome. :) I wonder if
> anybody could help me (em Português de preferência) in Nova Roma things, like Governament, history, actual citizens and latin. :) I want to learn something in latin...
> My e-mails are: art--------rodrigues@-------- cc: artscorporation@t... . And my UIN is 1779742. Contact me, please!!!
>
> Yours truthfully,
>
> Arthus Rodrigues
|
| Subject: |
Re: A Nice Little Recipe |
| From: |
m--------oon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:08:49 -0500 |
|
Megas-Robinson wrote:
>
> From: Mega--------bin--------amgunn@--------
>
> Salvete Omnes;
>
> In keeping with my campaign pledge, here is a recipe for a nice little
> cherry sweet.
>
>
> I would enjoy any comments.
>
I gain weight just READING Venator's recipes.
You and your wife wouldn't like to move here to Salem, would you?
-- flavia Claudia
|
| Subject: |
Roman music |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:40:54 -0500 (EST) |
|
Primus Fabius sent me the URL for an interesting article on Roman music
("The Manifestation of Roman Music," by Gordon Badham:
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9040/rmusic.html" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9040/rmusic.html</a>).
At the end of the article, he postulates that Roman music patterns survived
and became the foundation for medieval European music. Here we've suddenly
stumbled on ground that's familiar to me: I've played medieval music on
recorder for several years. And the recorder is simply a slightly more
evolved form of the tibia (flute) known in ancient Rome.
When I read of musicians performing at Roman rituals and festivals, I often
imagine them playing music similar to the medieval dances and laments I
know. Can anyone offer some perspectives on the possible link between these
two periods of music?
I know we're talking about a break of several centuries during which
nothing was written down. So no one will be able to prove anything. But the
medieval stuff just feels right for Rome - mostly simple and
straightforward, but often with hidden depths of feeling available to the
performer who chooses to interpret it.
OK, so maybe I'm just looking for a cheap excuse to play my recorder at
Roman festivals... If anyone can suggest good books or other resources (not
the Synaulia CD, I've heard it and share Cassius' opinion that it has
little to do with the Roman attitude toward music), I'd be interested to
know more.
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Gentes list (fixed) |
| From: |
pjane pjane@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:04:49 -0500 (EST) |
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With the help of the good Lucius Equitius I have restored the gentes
Arturia and Caecilia Metella to the Gentes page. My profoundest apologies
to the paters of both gentes.
Patricia Cassia
"Dulce et decorum est desipere in loco." (It is right and proper to be
foolish on occasion.) - attributed to Dr. Josiah S. Carberry, mythical
Brown University professor of psychoceramics
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| Subject: |
Re: Icq add me |
| From: |
flavia@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:53:30 -0600 |
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Original Text from "Gauis Triump--------" poeticfiend@--------
From: "Gauis Triump--------" poeticfiend@--------
Salvete Omnes!
For those of you I have not added to my ICQ contact list, I would
like
you to contact me at 18039812. I have been putting Nova Romans on my
contact list for an easy way to contact people.
Tibi Magni Gratias Ago
Gaius Triumphius Cicero
And if you want to add me, my number is 20962304! Thanks!
_____________________________________________
Get your free personalized email address at
<a href="http://www.MyOwnEmail.com" target="_top" >http://www.MyOwnEmail.com</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: The continuing saga of Lapis... |
| From: |
Diana/Orbianna proserpina@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:42:46 -0500 |
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At 17:47 10/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethyst C Light)
>
>The cesarian has been approved, but no date has been set. The doctor
>doesn't like the February 15th date, as it is too close to the actual due
>date, increasing my chances of going into labor BEFORE the appointed
>time. She is thinking the beginning of February. She has to get in
>touch with the surgeon in Owatonna and see what dates they are available
>to come to Waseca to perform the section (small town life, gotta love
>it!!). We will settle on a date at my next appointment.
>
>
I'm partial to Februray the 2nd. You can't pass up begin born on a holiday!
Vale,
Orbianna
Multi ad fatum venere suum, dum fata timent. -Seneca
Diana T. Hanley Bergman
proserpina@--------
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Don't you know of tormented souls? They need dreams and action and the
purest of passion. And so we throw ourselves into fancies and madness.
-Rodolphe Boulanger in Flaubert's "Madame Bovary"
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.
-Edgar Allen Poe
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Campaign |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:39:28 -0500 |
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Lucius wrote:
>
> From: "Lucius" v--------l@--------
>
> Salvete, Quitrites
> I too show my face to Nova roma!
> <a href="http://www.novaroma.org/gallery/index.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/gallery/index.html</a> and
> <a href="http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/reenactments/lorica_hamata.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/reenactments/lorica_hamata.html</a> Who else
> will take up arms for Nova Roma?
>
> A Vote For Palladius and Cincinnatus is a Vote for Nova Roma!
>
> Hey!, Got to get the Wife and Kids in Too!
>
> <a href="http://www.multiracial.com/photos/photos-cope.html" target="_top" >http://www.multiracial.com/photos/photos-cope.html</a>
>
Those kids are ADORABLE!!! I'd show 'em off, too, Cincinnatus!
-- Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: LONG political statement |
| From: |
Diana/Orbianna proserpina@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:26:06 -0500 |
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At 11:55 10/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: m--------oon@--------
>
>Another non-paid political announcement from Flavia Claudia, Independent
>Candidate for Consul.
>
>This is a VERY PRAGMATIC statement of my position on the place of
>religion in Nova Roma.
>If you’re not interested or offended by the whole issue: Delete this and
>save yourself an ulcer. But as a voter, you have a right to know where I
>stand on this.
>
>A friend wrote me in private e-mail:
>>>It's not about belief...it is about respect. But there are some
>members of Nova Roma that…have very strong personal religious beliefs
>against offerings to other deities that they can't possibly serve in
>good conscience as a magistrate...and they still want to run for
>office.<<
>
>Well, ya know what? I'd really like to be the Pope and wear that cute
>outfit. But I'm so upset that if I did get the job, they’d actually
>expect me to mention Jesus once in a while and do that
>‘transubstantiation’ thing. I wonder if they'd mind changing 2,000 years
>of dogma for me, even though I KNEW that rule when I joined up? (And in
>answer to the age-old question: Is the Pope Catholic? The answer is "not
>necessarily". All that is required is that you be baptized and male.
>Although I don’t see many Mormons lining up for the job.)
>
>My opinion (as a candidate) is that if you want to join a group, and you
>read the rules and understand them, and you join ANYWAY, then don't moan
>because the group resists changing just for you.
>
>I think Nova Roma has bent over backwards to try to accommodate all
>religious opinion here, by granting all religions the respect they
>deserve. However, the Constitution says that the Religio Romana is the
>official religion of the State. It's the very first statement in Article
>VI, so you can't exactly miss it. The second sentence spells it out even
>more clearly. This is not discrimination: it’s a condition of running
>for office, and a condition that was made clear from day one.
>
>Now, if you take exception to this and you want to change it, either get
>yourself elected to office or lobby your local Magistrate with a well
>thought-out petition for a Constitutional amendment. And take your
>chances as to whether that amendment passes or not.
>
>But don't join Nova Roma thinking that the Constitution should not
>apply to you because your particular god would be upset if you honored
>the gods of Rome. That's not our problem, actually; it's a matter
>between you and your god and is private. If you believe that your god
>would be offended: DON'T RUN FOR OFFICE. We’re not asking you to choose
>between your beliefs and a Nova Roma office: you made your choice when
>you joined. Maybe you should go to your god and tell him or her that
>you’d like to run for office, so why doesn’t he or she bend his or her
>own rules a little? If you’re asking Nova Roma to change, maybe that
>works both ways. I don’t know how inflexible your god is: only you know
>that.
>
>Come on, cives: this is analogous to knowingly going into a vegetarian
>restaurant and getting pissed off because they don’t serve burgers. I
>know it’s a frivolous comparison, but it’s accurate. As far as I know,
>nobody was DRAFTED into Nova Roma or was lured here under false
>pretenses. I don’t know how we can be any more up front with this whole
>issue than putting the Constitution on the Web site for everyone to
>read.
>
>And what is this moaning about you can’t contribute your talents if
>you’re not a magistrate? There’s nothing that says you can’t make an
>impact as a private Citizen! In fact, you can probably make a heck of a
>difference because you’re able to concentrate on a single task instead
>of the overwhelming burdens that go with some offices. What’s more
>important to you: actually getting satisfaction from doing the work or
>parading around in the laurels? There's plenty you can contribute to
>Nova Roma as a private Citizen – I was a private Citizen when I wanted
>to establish the Vestal Order -- and if you think it's low-rent just
>being a private Citizen, then you don't realize what a privilege it IS
>and WAS to be a Citizen of Rome.
>
>
>That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
>
>--Flavia Claudia
> Candidate for Consul
>
You go, girlfriend!!! I am in complete accordance with you. It is made
quite plain on the Nova Roma website that the main focus of this
organization is the reawakening of the Relgio Romana. I quote:
"The centerpiece of the activities of NOVA ROMA is the Religio Romana; the
ancient faith of the people of Rome. Both the household religion and the
so-called State religion are vital to the Religio Romana, and both are
represented in the practices of NOVA ROMA. Our long-term goal is the
restoration of the ancient priestly Collegiae and the honoring of the full
cycle of Roman holidays throughout the year. For now, we must make do with
a schedule that is practical and the training of individuals who wish to
take up the sacred offices."
This paragraph is placed even before Via Romana and Virtutes Romana. I'm
sure you've all read the main page of our website at least once and yet
agreed to join this organization. So what's the problem? I can't see myself
going to Christian functions or participating in their organizations only
to complain that they're not giving me a fair chance as a pagan,
particularly if I can't respect however that sect happens to worship their
divine ones.
I'm proud to be a citizen of Nova Roma. I'm proud to be a member of my
gens. And I'm proud to be a Roman Pagan! And frankly, for those of you
whose whining has filled my mailbox with hundreds of quips about this silly
debate, stop whining or do us all a favor a leave if you can't accept this
organization for what it is. I'd much rather spend my time on this list
reading posts and writing posts about the Religio, history, and other
things Roman. This organization is not "all about me." It's "all about US."
We are Nova Roma!
Nobilitas sola est atque unica virtus. -Seneca
Valete,
Orbianna
Iustina Luciania Orbianna
orbianna@--------
proserpina@--------
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/soho/studios/7401" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/soho/studios/7401</a>
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Scientia est potentia. -Francis Bacon
In Venere semper dulcis est dementia. -Publius Syrus
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| Subject: |
Re: ATTN: Campaign of Flavia Claudia for Consul/Epistula exercitus Flaviae Claudiae pro Consul |
| From: |
Diana/Orbianna proserpina@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:28:36 -0500 |
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At 15:33 10/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "RMerullo" merullo@--------
>
>Salvete Cives Novae Romae
>
>A vote for Flavia Claudia is a vote for the Mos Maiorum and its
>reaffirmation here in Nova Roma! Every armchair historian knows that Roman
>consuls ran and were elected singly, not in teams! Otherwise, how else did
>consuls end up in office who held opposing views, such as Caesar and
>Bibulus?
>
>Prove that Nova Roma is prepared to fast-forward through centuries of male
>chauvinism by electing a woman to its highest magisterial office! Vote
>Flavia Claudia for Consul!
>
>Valete
>
>Gaius Marius Merullus
>
I second that!
Iustina Luciania Orbianna
orbianna@--------
proserpina@--------
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/soho/studios/7401" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/soho/studios/7401</a>
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Scientia est potentia. -Francis Bacon
In Venere semper dulcis est dementia. -Publius Syrus
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| Subject: |
Re: A Nice Little Recipe |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:13:44 -0800 |
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Salve Flavia Claudia;
Thanks for the compliment, but my wife and I are happily, formerly from
Massachusetts. (I'm from West Springfield originally, Anita is from
Wilbraham.) We do like visiting family and friends back there, but the
lifestyle is just too fast paced for us anymore (besides the cost of
living).
I'll continue to send my most satisfying recipes to the Eagle, and nice
ones to the list.
Salus et Fortuna, Vale - Venator
Venator Pro Quaestor!
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| Subject: |
Re: Could anybody read this? :-) |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:57:44 -0800 |
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Salve Titus Horatius Atticus!
I for one thank you for your service to Arthur and our other Cives
residing in the Porteguese speaking world.
Vale, Venator
Venator Pro Quaestor!
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| Subject: |
Re: The continuing saga of Lapis... |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:00:36 -0800 |
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Salus et Fortuna Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina!
Good news is always welcome, little friend. My the rest of the
pregnancy continue to be similarly uneventful.
Vale, Venator
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