Subject:	Campaign of Palladius and Cincinnatus
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:16:54 -0500 (EST)

Salvete! A vote for Palladius and Cincinnatus is a vote for experience,
the growth of Nova Roma and the Mos Maiorum.

I and my fellow Praetor Urbanus, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, are seeking
the positions of consul. We are taking this next step up the cursus
honorum out of a strong sense of duty to Nova Roma and the Mos Maiorum and
a desire to see our fledgling republic continue to grow. Duty, honor and
country are not buzzwords with us, they are core principles that will
guide us.


Palladius and Cincinnatus: For Rome, the Mos Maiorum and the Future!





Decius Iunius Palladius



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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca


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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: Roman music
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:08:24 -0000

Salve Patricia Cassia!

Unfortunately, the only piece of Roman music that survived is from a theater
play of Terence. I have a reconstitution in a CD of which I've posted
references thousands of times...
About the transition to the Middle Ages, some author think that Gregorian
chant descends from Greek music rather than Roman music. Nevertheless, it
should be pointed that Roman music suffered a strong influence from Greek
music.
I don't know if you have already heard to medieval music of the 12th century
(e.g. Hildegard von Bingen)... It still seems Gregorian, but now we start to
hear a voice performing the bass and the the treeble voice is more
ornamented.
Anyway, although I've read a lot of things, I'm not an expert. The best way
to evaluate is to buy some records of early medieval and bizantine music and
compare with the reconstitutions of Ancient Greek and Roman music. I also
don't think that Synaulia is a good example of Roman music... Hey! I know
what to do! I'll put a midi playing in the Lusitania Web page with my
preferred ancient greek music... Then you will really feel how Roman music
would be.

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
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Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 2:18 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Roman music


>From: p-------- p--------@--------
>
>Primus Fabius sent me the URL for an interesting article on Roman music
>("The Manifestation of Roman Music," by Gordon Badham:
><a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9040/rmusic.html" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9040/rmusic.html</a>).
>
>At the end of the article, he postulates that Roman music patterns survived
>and became the foundation for medieval European music. Here we've suddenly
>stumbled on ground that's familiar to me: I've played medieval music on
>recorder for several years. And the recorder is simply a slightly more
>evolved form of the tibia (flute) known in ancient Rome.
>
>When I read of musicians performing at Roman rituals and festivals, I often
>imagine them playing music similar to the medieval dances and laments I
>know. Can anyone offer some perspectives on the possible link between these
>two periods of music?
>
>I know we're talking about a break of several centuries during which
>nothing was written down. So no one will be able to prove anything. But the
>medieval stuff just feels right for Rome - mostly simple and
>straightforward, but often with hidden depths of feeling available to the
>performer who chooses to interpret it.
>
>OK, so maybe I'm just looking for a cheap excuse to play my recorder at
>Roman festivals... If anyone can suggest good books or other resources (not
>the Synaulia CD, I've heard it and share Cassius' opinion that it has
>little to do with the Roman attitude toward music), I'd be interested to
>know more.
>
>Patricia Cassia
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Special Election Eagle Edition
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:53:15 EST

Salve,

If you'd like me to run this off for free, on say, Ivory colored paper, just
say the word! No reason all this should be coming off your printer...

Vale,

Cassius


In a message dated 11/10/98 9:56:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
m--------oon@-------- wr--------:

<<
Since this issue will be the last issue of the Eagle before the
elections, I'd like to invite each candidate for office to submit a
statement of their position, or whatever, to be printed without change
or editorial comment in the November Eagle.

Rules:
-- 500 words or less. (Honest ta god, if you run over 500 words, I'll
cut ya off in mid-sentence! Everyone gets the same equal space.)
-- Include a picture if you like: either in .jpg or .bmp format, or send
the photo and I'll scan it
-- absolutely NO slamming the other candidates. No inquiring into past
love lives, either!!

The deadline is now MONDAY, NOV. 16 -- the Eagle will go out a little
late because of this, but I think it's important. Voting is in December.

This special edition is going to the entire Citizen list, so we're going
to have to forego the usual color, and probably have a temporary change
of format. But hey, content is more important!

All materials are to be sent to The Eagle, 74 Essex St. #1, Salem, MA
01970 or e-ma-------- to m--------oon@-------- by Monday, Nov. 16.

-- Flavia Claudia
Curatrix Aquila
>>

Subject:	Re: Special Election Eagle Edition
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:13:45 -0500

C--------us622@-------- wrote:
>
> From: C--------us622@--------
>
> Salve,
>
> If you'd like me to run this off for free, on say, Ivory colored paper, just
> say the word! No reason all this should be coming off your printer...
>
> Vale,
>
> Cassius



OOOh! A freebie! My favorite word! That's why I was planning a B&W issue
this time, probably plain old 8 1/2" x 11", depending on the number of
pages. I already bought the ivory paper! Great minds thinking alike and
all that... I was going to print it at (forgive me!) Staples.

I'd rather have you do it anyway (even if we'd had to pay for it -- keep
it in the NR family) but I couldn't work out the logistics of getting
the master copy to you, getting it printed, and getting it back here so
I could do the folding, envelpe stuffing addressing, stamping and
mailing thing. This is going to be a big job, which wouldn't be so bad
except that I'm pressed for time. I had towait until all the candidates
were declared and some people whom I COULD name didn't come forth until
this week. (Okay, me and Venator!).

Subject:	Only 35 shopping days till the Saturnalia!!!!
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:13:44 -0600

Salvete --


HELP!!!!!


Terrys father has now officially called and reminded me how little time I
have before the Holidays (the putz, I was happily ignorant!!). And so I
need ideas for the Saturnalia. How to celebrate it with young children,
that sort of thing. My Conservative Jewish friends suggested small,
inexpensive presents for 6 days and the BIG present(s) either on the 23rd
or the Solstice (which I *think* is on the 21st??), which is a variation
on what they (this family anyway -- and they have 5 kids) tend to do. I
figured I'd better ask as the time is running short.


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
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Subject:	Re: Only 35 shopping days till the Saturnalia!!!!
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:12:06 EST

>And so I
>need ideas for the Saturnalia. How to celebrate it with young children,
>that sort of thing.


Although we are actually Roman Shinto, rather than Religio Romana, I think the
2 are close enough that sharing our traditions with you may give you some
ideas. Below is the introductory paragraph from Clan of the Cauldron's Roman
Shinto 101 Classes:

"The winter solstice, Saturnalia, is the celebration with the deepest, most
instinctual, significance. If people celebnrate
no other Sabbat, they all seem to need to celebrate (or deny celebrating) the
winter solstice. Feasting, trading places
with others for a day (to increase one’s empathy and appreciation for all they
do), societal inversions, masks,
decorations of natural and bright materials (on trees and in other places),
offerings to the Gods, and gifts to one
another mark Saturnalia. The world looks dead, Ceres is in deep mourning for
her beloved Propserpina, and there is
the very real possiblilty that Ceres may destroy the world before Proserpina
can return. Nothing is guaranteed.
People celebrated then as much from fear of the end of the world as from love
of Ceres and an attempt to cheer her up
and ease her loneliness. Every religion that touched Saturnalia has only
added to it, rather than detracted from it,
making it even more powerful over the years. CLAN OF THE CAULDRON
acknowledges the despair of the season
(those who identify too strongly with Ceres) by reaching out to friends we
haven’t heard from all year, checking to be
sure they survived the previous year and are in good spirits to continue the
new year. If possible, we settle all our old
debts, and put all our affairs in order (wills, funeral arrangements,
guardianships...) And then we party. We have huge
cookie baking and decorating parties, and mail those cookies to one another.
We never ever eat the cookies we
bake, and we never ever lack for cookies because a new batch arrives in the
mail almost daily! Our favorite cookies
are penises, Janus faces, moons, vulva, gingerbread babies, eggs, stars, suns,
and green man faces. We decorate the trees outside with
grains, seeds, and fruits to remind Ceres we need her too (and the birds
benefit hugely!). Indoor trees are decorated
with suns and stars and symbols of all our Gods. We have a huge feast with
music, storytelling and lights, and
carolling (we sometimes get odd looks from people who actually listen to our
words!). We always make special
offerings to our favorite Gods - at the very least to Ceres, Bacchus, Juno,
Jupiter, and Minerva."

Hope this gives you some hint.

Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	Re: Only 35 shopping days till the Saturnalia!!!!
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:38:17 -0500

Nodigio@-------- wrote:
>
>
> Although we are actually Roman Shinto, rather than Religio Romana, I think the
> 2 are close enough that sharing our traditions with you may give you some
> ideas.

This was a very interesting post. I'd never heard of Roman Shinto.

> Our favorite cookies
> are penises, Janus faces, moons, vulva, gingerbread babies, eggs, stars, suns,

Floria, don't take this wrong, but I think I'm gonna pass on the penis
cookies. For religious reasons, naturally! ;)

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Only 35 shopping days till the Saturnalia!!!!
From:	Asseri@--------
Date:	Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:40:27 EST

If my pale memory is correct a proper gift was to have little figures of
Saturn to give to guests that should visit. I would say that small tokens
would be good like your jewish friends suggsted. In general they should be
heartfelt gifts not one that kill your pocket book. I also might suggest doing
something that is just you and your family, start a tradtion that is yours
alone. Perhps a family alter needs a special decoration or a special story or
craft that is only done at this time...

think 12th night my self (sca type here)

P.A. Olivia