| Subject: |
Languages other than English |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:33:25 -0500 (EST) |
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I certainly have no objection to using any language that will bring more
of our members on line. The problem that I see (and I m being a little
selfish here) is that I would like to get to know these people, as well
as I have gotten to know many of the rest of Nova Roma. For this there
must be some kind of two-way communication. I would recommend short
messages at first, with an english translation so I could respond in
kind. It will probably take some poor translator some extra time, but I
think the effort worth it. At least if that could be translated to the
Portugese members by our Portugese experts, it might encourage others to
try to use the English that they have learned in school.
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Mead, Could it possibly be---------? |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:50:21 -0500 (EST) |
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Hmmmmmmm! Perhaps I have been a little too hard on the subject drink.
The mead that I have tasted was defnately the hopps variety, and the one
bottle which I bought in Ireland at one of the Castle Evenngs there was
touted as wine and not of good body or fragrance.
I am a reasonable man, for a Roman, and I will allow myself to be
persuaded that this marvelous mead of which you write with such verve
and vigor may possibly be a different brew than has originally set me
against it. However, I must still insist that the wine with which to
settle the treaties and the important things of the Republic like newly
bestowed commissions for military officers, and other important
milestones in the life of a proper Roman may only be settled properly by
that deep ruby-hued elixor, that full bodied and fruity tasting wine
that is as good with the last taste as with the first. That noble
beverage, that exhierating and heady son of the devine grape, that
marvelous Falernian!!!! (-: (-: (-:
M. Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
The Bee and the Hive |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:06:50 -0500 (EST) |
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Now then my dear Venator, you see we agree upon something. The Bee is a
humble creature and the nectar that she gathers when used properly is an
exquisite additio to a proper vintage of spirit found fr beyond the
Antonine Wall in the distant Province of Britannia. This spirit is
distilled of grain and then is blended carefully, oh so very carefully
with the treasure of the hive. This spirrit is then kept in wooden kegs
for such a space of time as to be appropriate, and then when touched
with the tongue, transforms all to the very ecstasy that you claim for
your special mead. But this beverage is not of the lowly hopps nor even
of the wine, but a spirit so strong and yet so sweet as to set one's
mind free to be seranaded by the siren's golden voices. I have tasted
it, and have felt it's effect if imbibed lightly. The buzzing of the
original bee is magnified 100 times and is lodged in the brain, and
often results in behavior that favors the dinner couch rather than
standing or sitting.
Fear not, my good friend Venator, nothing shall lie between us, because
as the both of us appreciate the finest of the brewers, vintinors, and
distillers art, we shall never be set against the other, but rather
always in agreement in the marvel of the beverages that we enjoy.
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Strange letter combinations |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:16:17 -0500 (EST) |
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I thank you sir for a most accurate account of that partial line of
letters. I was attempting to determine the best way to sever the long
stream of messages behind my posting which was very embarrassing. The
unusual spread of letters across the lines of the typing board is
indicated because of the large hnds of the typist and the small
keyboard!!!!!
M.Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Russian Grapes or Raisins |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:21:05 -0500 (EST) |
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Now you see how history gets distorted. I always thought that Russia
was the source for raisins because there is so little sunlight and warm
rain on the Russian steppes that the grapes never got past the raisin
stage. Amazing!!!!!!! (-: (-: (-:
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Mead, Could it possibly be---------? |
| From: |
Nodigio@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:27:37 EST |
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In a message dated 11/15/98 11:50:45 PM Central Standard Time,
jmath669642reng@-------- --------es:
> I am a reasonable man, for a Roman,
LOL - I needed that laugh! And someday, I hope to give you a taste of the
mead I make on a regular basis (and I must admit that chocolate is NOT a
Roman food - but IF the Romans had known about it, it would have been classed
as highly as the honey and the grape - this is in reference to my chocolate
mead - which never lasts long enough to fully ripen!)
Nodigio
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| Subject: |
Re: Official Translators (aka: Paranoia may destroy ya!) |
| From: |
"Nathan Hicks" moman@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:27:15 -0500 |
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nodigio@-------- Nodigio@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 12:59 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Official Translators (aka: Paranoia may destroy ya!)
>From: Nodigio@--------
>
>In a message dated 11/15/98 10:49:28 AM Central Standard Time,
>amethystcrystallight@-------- writes:
>
>> And, NO, I am not demanding that Translators be assigned right this
>> second. Wednesday should be plenty of time. :-)
>>
>
>
>I'll volunteer for German - as that is the only language I can translate
both
>ways (although I can read and translate almost any language from the
original
>to English or German, I can't reciprocate and translate from German or
English
>to any other language - a sad failing, but I think it has a lot to do with
>Grammar and dangling participles and split infinitives and such like
horrors
>and banes of my life!)
I know what you mean: translated directly, 'China is hard to
reach from the US' is mere gibberish in good Latin. English
is a very colloquial language--a bane, as you said, to easy
translation.
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| Subject: |
Re: Who'd a thunk it was Roman Beverages (a.k.a. Vinum, Vino, ... |
| From: |
Asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:56:15 EST |
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wow . What I learned and I have been in the SCA for 12 years. THis should be
in the "eagle" . A very well done Post!
P.A. Olivia
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| Subject: |
Announcement for Plebeian Aedile candidacy |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:53:03 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes!
Although I've not received authorization from the censors yet, I'me writing to announce my candidacy to the vacant office of Plebeian Aedile.
The reason for doing so is my desire to work for the community in order to help Nova Roma to grow well and fast.
I remind you that I am also candidate for the office of Tribune of the Plebs.
Valete omnes!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
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| Subject: |
Re: Welcome to <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> |
| From: |
"Lucius Petronius Gallus" luciuspetronius@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:47:31 PST |
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>From novaroma-return-luciuspetronius=<a href="mailto:hotmail.com@--------" >hotmail.com@--------</a> Sat Nov 14
14:02:32 1998
>Received: (qmail 5931 invoked by alias); 14 Nov 1998 22:02:11 -0000
>Date: 14 Nov 1998 22:02:11 -0000
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>To: LuciusPetronius@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Welcome to <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>From: <a href="mailto:novaroma-owner@--------" >novaroma-owner@--------</a>
>Reply-to: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>
>Salve! (hello!)
>
>Welcome to the Nova Roma list! The topic of this list is anything that
relates
>to ancient Rome or to the modern organization called Nova Roma. If you
arrived
>here without checking out the Nova Roma web site, please go to
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apply.
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>Patricia Cassia
>Quaestor, Nova Roma
>
>
Thanks for your welcome We look forward to participating in Nova Roma`s
affairs
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| Subject: |
Re: Announcement for Plebeian Aedile candidacy |
| From: |
m--------oon@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:43:27 -0500 |
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Antonio Grilo wrote:
> Salvete omnes! Although I've not received authorization from the
> censors yet, I'me writing to announce my candidacy to the vacant
> office of Plebeian Aedile.The reason for doing so is my desire to work
> for the community in order to help Nova Roma to grow well and fast.I
> remind you that I am also candidate for the office of Tribune of the
> Plebs. Valete omnes! Antonius Gryllus Graecus(Praetor ad Lusitaniam
> Provinciam)
Graecus, have you submitted your candidate's statements for BOTH
offices to be included in the Eagle? Today was the deadline to e-mail me
with these.
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Attention Plebeans! Campaign Announcement #5 |
| From: |
Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------.. |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:48:22 -0800 (PST) |
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Amici salvere iubeo,
This is a copy of the campaign statement I am submitting to the Eagle:
I am Avidius Tullius Callidus and I am standing for the office of
Tribune of the People. Unlike many candidates this year, I have
elected not to include a picture of myself. The reasons being, I have
not had a good picture of myself taken in a very long time; and more
important, I am of the opinion that it is what a candidate says that
will decide the elections. Having said that allow me to tell you what
these elections are about and why I am seeking the Tribunate.
I believe these elections have the potential to either make or break
Nova Roma. These are our first elections and for many people,
especially the Plebeans, this is the first chance you have to actually
register your thoughts on what you'd like to see here in Nova Roma. I
have been in correspondence with many members
Plebean and Patrician alike so far in my campaign and many of you have
told me there needs to be communication and infrastructure. Many of
you have discussed ideas that Nova Romans would love to embrace ones
that would increase the community, its interaction, create ongoing
projects, discussion groups and so on and so forth.
I see Nova Roma as a framework in which many things need to be added.
There are people here more than willing to lend their support,
whatever that may be to build this Republic into a viable society.
Many are waiting for a sign of the leadership that they do indeed
count and represent more than a number. I believe we who are seeking
office must make ourselves open to what the citizenry wants. As your
Tribune, I would make myself open to and available to anyone with
ideas for helping this republic grow, prosper and become more than it
is now. I think of the Tribunate as a conduit for relaying your ideas
and concerns to the assemblies and magistrates, resulting in dialogue
and action. There has been much talk about the Tribune's veto, the
most potent action a magistrate possesses here at Nova Roma. I can
say right now that I believe the concerns are warranted to some
extent, a Tribune could halt legislation processes here, however I
think a better use of the veto is to enforce compromise, I for one
have no interest in wildly vetoing proposals. I believe my post can
foster mediation and moderation between th e various forces in the
Nova Roman government.
Included in my platform of building a working Nova Roma, are many
house keeping issues that have been laid aside for too long already.
I believe that as we bring in more citizens, the infrastructure must
be there to keep them involved and active. To effect this I am
working on and endorsing:
-A project with fellow candidates/magistrates to organize the various
Comitia and legislating procedures in the Republic.
-I plan to carry legislation to the Senate requesting that the
provinces who presently have no governor or have a non-active governor
receive one and an active one. We need people active not only in the
the 'capitol' but out in the local areas too.
-I support the move to establish a Nova Roman university which could
become a forum to discuss and teach the populace on ancient history,
archaeology, classical languages, theology etc.
-Avenues of communication. I can think of several methods of
communication the ancient Romans used to inform the populous of the
doings in the capitol, These would make excellent tools in fostering
some more openness here in Nova Roma.
-Because the Tribune of the People is the leader of the Plebean
assembly, I plan to organize the Plebean assembly, if I am to be your
Tribune, I want to know your thoughts on the issues the Republic deals
with throughout the year.
At the heart of my campaign lies the issues of creating avenues of
communication and involvement for all citizens and future citizens in
Nova Roma. This will be my goal as Tribune of Nova Roma. A vote for
me is a vote for someone who believes that you have something to offer
Nova Roma. Let me help you to realize your goals here in our
Republic. Please remember to vote and when you do, vote Tullius for
Tribune!
Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Candidate for Tribune of the People
P.S. As always, feel free to contact me at
masterofhistor--------.., I would enjo-------- corresponding with
you.
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| Subject: |
Age |
| From: |
amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethyst C Light) |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:53:56 -0600 |
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Salvete --
Could someone confirm for me the age when children could become
citizens?? Was it 16 or 18??
Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
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| Subject: |
Re: Patrician and plebeans |
| From: |
Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------.. |
| Date: |
Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:22:18 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete omnes,
I saw this response the other day in the list and thought I'd like to
offer some thoughts about it. C. Marius Merullo, perhaps you'd like
to further respond to my comments. We could have some fun here. You
wrote:
In the Roman republic it[Patrician/Plebean distinction] made a huge
difference, the more so the further one looks back at the history.
Patricians dominated the Senate throughout the Republic, and in the
early years had a monopoly on holding office. That was a main reason
for establishing the office of Tribune of the Plebs, to calm the
uproar that the plebeans were raising against the domination of the
patricians.
This is certainly the distilled traditional version of the division of
the 'orders' Mommsen thought the Plebeans were the class of clienta
attached to Patrician gentes, sort of like serfs. Nieuhr concluded
that the Plebeans were a group of people originally alien to the
'Roman' community. These two gentlemen provide the basis for the
popular view of what the Patrician and Plebeans were. From their
assumptions stem the ideas that the Plebeans were not full citizens or
constituted a servile caste. Ancient accounts about Patricians and
Plebeans in Cicero, Livy, Dionysus of Halicarnassus and Plutarch all
suffer from the fact that they are trying to describe events which
happened centuries before. They associated it with and compared it to
the political strife that occurred in the late Republic. Due to these
factors, their accounts are anachronistic and usually misleading.
It is only an assumption that the Senate was originally a body of
Patrician elders, true, mostly Patrician names appear in it but these
records never designate Patrician or Plebean. Also consider that
several names of the gentes had Plebean and Patrician branches.
Originally, in the early Republic the Senate had no defined function
not even the weight of its traditions, it could not convene without
the magistrates' authority. And even if the Senate was a body of
ex-magistrates, as it became, there would be many Plebeans in it.
Consider that the first and perhaps most famous Consul (Probably
titled Praetor) was L. Junius Brutus, was a Plebean. In the first
century of the Republic, Plebeans held the likely singular office of
Consul (Praetor) at least 20 times.
I agree that this is far from a majority, but it shows that Plebeans
could stand for election, did and were elected to the high office.
The Consul (Praetor) was the most visible of the early magistrates it
is quite possible that Plebeans also held some of the minor
magistracies, thus they comprised a significant portion of the early
Senate. The traditional view actually gains its biggest support from
the middle Republic when the Plebeans seem all but absent from the
Consular offices and shadowy in the Senate. At this point the
evidence of low Plebean participation in the government actually
suggests that the two 'orders' had an equal standing, legally
speaking, in early Republican Rome.
The Tribunate dates to ca494 in the early Republic. This makes the
Tribunate appear less like a concession by a ruling class to their
powerless clienta and more like an attempt at creating a system of
check and balance.
Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Candidate for Tribune of the People
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