Subject:	Show and Tell!
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:32:29 +0000

Flavia Claudia said it would be okay to show you all the pendant mount I
made for for her silver Vespasian coin.

I am also incuding a picture of the "Widow's Mite" I mounted for my
daughter, It has a date palm on it, and her name, Tamar, means date
palm. I have made silver repros of this bronze original, so this item
can be ordered.

Best, Pythia

Subject:	Re: Crazy people....
From:	Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator amgunn@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:06:06 -0800

Salve!
>
> From: C--------us622@--------
>
> >--------er--------@-------- writes:
>
> >... Nova Roma Futurum!!! <laugh> We *are* ... Rome.
> >... weird ... Christian prophecies ... true? ... Hmmm.
>
> I dunno... Christian prophecy ... Antichrist from Revelations
> ... One World Government.
>
> For some reason humanity seems ... or whatever.
> Christianity ... end of the world - for centuries.
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
ROTFLMAO! Prophesy, in the sense of the time that the original
'Testaments' were written, simply mean Poetry. The 'Revelation of St.
John' was one of four in the pre-Nocean Council 'Bible.' It was the
most obscure and open to interpretation of the group, hence it was kept
by the political council of Church and State. Marcus Cassius, you've
got a good handle of this.
--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Stephanus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|

Subject:	Re: underwear and apologies
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:36:20 EST

In a message dated 98-11-20 00:06:26 EST, you write:

<< Very interesting...I have also heard of Romans washing their underwear
in urine to remove stains. Something to do with the acids acting as a
detergent. >>
Actually when I was in Greece, i discovered that the local villiagers would
bleach their tunics with animal urine. It's quite castic.

Q Fabius

Subject:	Lusitania Web page: Praetorium added.
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:55:42 -0000

Salvete omnes!

You're all invited to meet the Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam at
<a href="http://gama.inesc.pt/Lusitania/Praetorium/Praetorium.htm" target="_top" >http://gama.inesc.pt/Lusitania/Praetorium/Praetorium.htm</a>

Send email or ask for face-to-face audiences (from Monday to Friday).
Praetors et al can copy the HTML source in order to provide similar functionality.

Valete!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Subject:	Re: underwear and apologies
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:02:25 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 11/20/98 2:36:49 AM Centr--------t--------rd Time, SFP55@--------
writes:

> i discovered that the local villiagers would
> bleach their tunics with animal urine.

It was also used to bleach animal skins during the tanning process to give
them that ceremonial white color. It wouldn't break down the 'fibers' of the
leather (and cloth) as much as the ammonias derived from other sources.
Urine, from all species, is sterile (unless the donor is ill), and ammoniac -
and was used medicinally as well as for bleaching purposes. I've always been
curious how they discovered the bleaching properties (that darn cat peed on
the bedding again - and now it has white spots!! White spots?
Hhmmmmmmm.........I wonder......?)

Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	underwear and apologies
From:	"RMerullo" merullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:46:40 -0500

Salivete

I was just starting to move on and resume a semi-productive life, and you
have sabotaged it all by bringing up these strophia!

I hope that you're happy with your achievements, Nocturnia Home Wrecker!

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus


The foregoing message was brought to you in total jest
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Iulia iuliacaesaria@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 7:21 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: underwear and apologies


>From: "A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
>
>
>Salvete quirites!
>
>I am the guilty party!
>I posted some info on Roman underwear.
>Here it is!
>
>
>The strophium is the Roman brassiere. It is a band of soft linen 6" to
>8" wide (or a folded wider strip), long enough to go around the body
>at least twice. It can be worn in several ways, for example placing
>the center of the band at the back and crossing the ends in front to
>support the breasts, then wrapping the ends around and tucking them in
>again. Evidence is scarce, however, and pins or ties may have been used.
>
>While the tunica often served as an undergarment, there are also
>references to the supparum, subucula, and (for matrons) indusium,
>which may all be slip-like garments, hanging from the waist. Dancing
>girls are shown wearing "bikini briefs", and a pair of woman's panties
>made of leather have been found, but it is not known if these were
>common items of apparel.
>
>
>I hope that helps!
>
>
>Noct'a
>In humble gratitude to the lone hero who saved her from Bill Gates
>
>
>---Nodigio@-------- wrote:
>>
>> From: Nodigio@--------
>>
>> In a message dated 11/16/98 4:47:19 PM Central Standard Time,
>> p--------@-------- writes:
>>
>> > Second, within the past couple of weeks someone (Zonara?) posted a
>few
>> > thoughtful and informative paragraphs on Roman underwear.
>>
>> Nope, wasn't me, I don't do underwear - togas, and himations, and
>sandals, and
>> mead and wine and dormice, yes, but not underwear.
>>
>> Secunda Floria Zonara
>>
>>
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Subject:	Re: Request for 'Tutor'
From:	"RMerullo" merullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:02:06 -0500

Salvete Augustina Iulia et alii

I havent heard one of these guys say even a single sentence of Attic Greek.
How can they be qualified to teach Roman-style oratory?

Dont look to me, though. Everyone knows my Greek is lousy; I never could
grasp what the optative voice was all about.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Iulia iuliacaesaria@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 7:49 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Request for 'Tutor'


>From: "A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
>
>
>
>
>Salvete quirites et Ave candidati et magistrati!
>
>At present I am attempting to teach myself some of the art of rhetoric
>and oratory.
>In the ancient republican days one of the main stages of learning
>these arts was the tirocinium fori, a kind of apprenticeship served
>with a leading orator.
>
>As Tacitus wrote: ‘In the days of our ancestors, a young man who was
>being prepared for the Forum or Oratory, after being trained at home
>and thoroughly instructed in the liberal arts, was brought by his
>father or relations to the leading orator at Rome. By following him
>and frequenting his company he had the opportunity of listening to all
>of his speeches in the law court or at public meetings; he could hear
>him in argument or debate, and, so to speak, learn to fight by taking
>part in the battle.’
>
>This practice dates from the days when the professional teacher was
>unknown and the father directed his son’s only education after which
>he learned the ways of public life by personal association.
>
>I was wondering if it would be possible for a citizen standing in the
>upcoming elections to ‘take me under their wing’.
>You would not have to do much, just supply me with copies of your
>election speeches and the like.
>
>Tibi gratias ago et valete!
>
>
>Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Crazy people....
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:49:34 EST

In a message dated 98-11-19 22:46:00 EST, you write:

<< Forget the EU! Nova Roma Futurum!!! <laugh> We *are* the revival of Rome.
<thinks for a moment> But isn't it weird how a number of these Christian
prophecies are coming true? I remember them from when I was a little girl.
Hmmm. >>

Ok...not to burst the bubble of our christian citizens...but....

The prophecies of Revelation have always been interpreted in light of events
at any given point in history. This tends to be the case with any
prophecy...Nostradamus' prophecies are often translated in events we see today
(ok...he was on target with Hisler and Hitler...can't deny that one).

During the Middle Ages, the Beast of Revelation was seen as the Protestant
Church (by Catholics). As Protestantism grew, it became the Catholic Church
depicted as the Beast and the Pope the false prophet (by Protestants).

In the 1950's, the United Nations was targeted as the "Beast". There are
still people today who believe the U.N. is a tool of Satan and that the
President of the United States is the False Prophet.

The idea that the European Union represents the Beast of Revelation is about
20 years old now. This translation is a play on the widely accepted
translation that the Beasts seen in Daniel's prophecies relate to world
empires that we have seen rise and fall (i.e. Rome, Persia, Babylon, etc.).
With Daniel's prophecies accepted, the Beast of the Revelation becomes the
combined might of all these empires or the rebirth of the most notorious
empire in the time this book was written - Rome. When the prophet John wrote
the book, Rome held sway over Israel and Judeah and most of the known world.
A United Europe (only in the past united by empirial domination) signifies to
those who believe in the Book of Revelations to be the last Empire on earth
before the return of Christ....the Roman Empire Reborn (hey Germanicus...what
was your intention with this tag line?).

I personally believe that while perhaps the current translations of these
prophecies might hold some truth, the underlying theme of Europe dominating
the world and throwing us into a catachism of war, famine, and pestilence is
absurd. Besides, I put more stock in Nostradamus who more accurately
predicted events by name, places, and events.

I guess it's the Pagan me, but I would welcome a strong and united Europe that
would seek to partner with the U.S. and Canada (who I foresee eventually
forming one Economic Block themselves) in achieving a more closely knit world.
Perhaps then the Asian countries will form their own block and then perhaps
the South American countries. Do you see a pattern here? I do...eventually
those blocks will partner with other blocks...and before you know it, we are a
United World! Oh Gods bless Gene Roddenberry!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Crazy people....
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:55:49 EST

In a message dated 98-11-20 00:51:12 EST, you write:

<< For some reason humanity seems to have a common feeling that the present is
always worse than the past... even when that's completely untrue. The Romans
saw this as a change of ages from Gold, to Silver, to Iron or whatever.
Christianity has seen this as the coming end of the world - for centuries.
>>


Not only the Romans, but originally the Greeks - who classified the many "ages
of man" as Iron, Gold, Silver, etc.

I can't remember who, but one of our citizens held at one point a tag line at
the bottom of his/her e-mails that stated something to the effect of:

"But these things have always happened and will forever happen! How then can
they be signals of the end of the world?"

The quote is speaking of earthquakes, volcanoes, and other natural disasters
which some religious sects have propagated as divine signals to the end of the
world. If such was the case, we'd have seen the "end of the world" countless
times over...Vesuvius, Mt. St. Helens, Mt. Fuji, Mexico City Earthquake, Los
Angeles Earthqake(s)...etc. etc. etc.

--Dexippus
<<As Augur, the Gods have told me they don't plan to destroy the world...they
plan on giving some of us a well deserved make-over. Jenny Jones will host
that event!>>

Subject:	Re: Voter Codes
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:50:17 EST

In a message dated 98-11-20 00:26:52 EST, you write:

<< we lost the official NR seal. >>

Lost it or misplaced it?

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Crazy people....
From:	"T. Horatius Atticus" esteves@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:08:32 -0200

Avete Quirites.



>I guess it's the Pagan me, but I would welcome a strong and united Europe
that
>would seek to partner with the U.S. and Canada (who I foresee eventually
>forming one Economic Block themselves) in achieving a more closely knit
world.

Well, I am also pagan, but I would not welcome this gentle government of the
North.

>Perhaps then the Asian countries will form their own block and then perhaps
>the South American countries.

Brasil, Argentina, Paraguai, Uruguai (and very soon also Chile, Peru and
others) have already formed a block -- the Mercosul. Our Politica Externa is
common, so as our economy and we need no passports to circulate in this
area. We
could have done more things already, if the Great Satan (HEHEHE...) had
permitted. We'd better join our efforts with the Minor Satan Saddam
Hussein...

T. Horatius Atticus Meridionalis.

Subject:	Re: Crazy people....
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:20:42 -0500 (EST)

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 Dexippus@-------- wrote:

> From: Dexippus@--------
>
> In a message dated 98-11-20 00:51:12 EST, you write:
>
> << For some reason humanity seems to have a common feeling that the present is
> always worse than the past... even when that's completely untrue. The Romans
> saw this as a change of ages from Gold, to Silver, to Iron or whatever.
> Christianity has seen this as the coming end of the world - for centuries.
> >>
>
>
> Not only the Romans, but originally the Greeks - who classified the many "ages
> of man" as Iron, Gold, Silver, etc.
>
> I can't remember who, but one of our citizens held at one point a tag line at
> the bottom of his/her e-mails that stated something to the effect of:
>
> "But these things have always happened and will forever happen! How then can
> they be signals of the end of the world?"

It is me and I still use it along with a quote from Seneca. It is below.

There are perhaps many reasons--usually but not always economic--to be
wary of such global movements and organizations such as the EU and the UN
but the Christian "prophecies" are not among them.


Vote for Palladius, Candidate for Consul who knows the world's future is
not to be found in Revelations--unless it is the song by Iron Maiden. :)
Yes, I just dated myself and probably lost votes by that admission but
what the hey! ;)


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: Crazy people....
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:08:50 -0500 (EST)

On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 C--------us622@-------- wrote:

> From: C--------us622@--------
>
> In a message dated 11/19/98 10:46:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> --------er--------@-------- writes:
>

> For some reason humanity seems to have a common feeling that the present is
> always worse than the past... even when that's completely untrue. The Romans
> saw this as a change of ages from Gold, to Silver, to Iron or whatever.
> Christianity has seen this as the coming end of the world - for centuries.

Well said Cassius. As my signature line puts it:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: Crazy people....
From:	Shawn Kelley discordianpirate@--------
Date:	Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:51:38 -0800 (PST)

The idea of the end of the world comes from the idea of linear time,as
in the universe having a beginning. As i refute both creationism and
the ""big bang"" theory,I tend to think that the universe has always
been around and always will be...and what we call the universe is much
greater than a mere physical sphere.
>
>
>
>
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