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Re: Crazy people.... |
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Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:13:55 EST |
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In a message dated 11/20/98 8:01:21 PM EST, esteves@-------- writes:
<< Brasil, Argentina, Paraguai, Uruguai (and very soon also Chile, Peru and
others) have already formed a block -- the Mercosul. Our Politica Externa is
common, so as our economy and we need no passports to circulate in this
area. >>
See...it's all coming true! Praise the Great God Genus Roddenberrus!
<<We could have done more things already, if the Great Satan (HEHEHE...) had
permitted. We'd better join our efforts with the Minor Satan Saddam
Hussein...>>
Flattery will get you nowhere! And as for Saddam...he eats Pigs Feet!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Crazy people.... |
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Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:15:22 EST |
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In a message dated 11/21/98 11:01:03 AM EST, discordianpirate@--------
writes:
<< The idea of the end of the world comes from the idea of linear time,as
in the universe having a beginning. As i refute both creationism and
the ""big bang"" theory,I tend to think that the universe has always
been around and always will be...and what we call the universe is much
greater than a mere physical sphere. >>
Here Here! I second that!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Collegium Advocatorum |
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Dexippus@-------- |
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Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:17:59 EST |
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I think this is a good idea.
So I am to understand that this Sodalicum would help it's members (and other
citizens of Nova Roma) to better understand the discussions on the list
through interpretation and language assistance?
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
R: Collegium Advocatorum |
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"Fabio Incutti" incutti@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:50:20 +0100 |
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Avete Quirites,
I'd like to thank you for the precious appreciation of the idea presented
byT. Horatius and me.
I'm sure that Horatius will join me in thanking for the offers of help.
My personal idea of the scope of the Collegium is that translating is only
one part of the goal. I think that the Collegium should help the citizens
whenever it could come out a difficulty in relating to the institutions of
NR or to the other citizens.
This mean helping in translations, but also giving advices about laws and
institutions, representing the rights of other citizens towards the
magistrate when (and if) any of their rights are not respected or considered
(would it never be). In brief, I consider the Collegium a sort of help desk
for citizens.
I do not believe that the Collegium should be inserted between the offices
of NR. The beauty of the idea, to me, is in the rabsolute indipendence from
politics. Of course, my wish is that the Collegium reputation could rise up
to the level that ancient lawyers had in the Res Publica, when their advices
(Jureconsulta) were often used in solving judiciary cases. But this is a
wish and not a goal.
For what concernes the admission to the Collegium, I strongly believe that
it should be basically free, while Horatius is less entusiastic on the
point; anyway we are both interested in any suggestion and idea on the
point.
Again thanks for your precious interest.
Valete
Primus Fabius C.
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Mihi Fortuna Adiuvat, Invidia Perit
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| Subject: |
Re: Collegium Advocatorum |
| From: |
"T. Horatius Atticus" esteves@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:32:44 -0200 |
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Avete Quirites
Everyone knows, in general lines, the importance of the law interpreters and
the rhetoricians in the Roman society. When the old Roman citizens wanted to
deffend their interests, they could do it personally or by an Advocatus,
thet is, someone called to speak for another one. Well, we have still a
humble legal system, but it will hopefully evolve, and the cives may have
some difficulties to deal with so a complicated a body, as the legal system
is, with many constitucional rules, senatusconsulta, and lots of other
rules. Therefore some experts shall be needed to help the private citizen to
protect his guarantees and rights towards other citizens or, eventually,
the State.
So, the Collegium Advocatorum would join cives willing to help other cives
with their private or public relations. Whenever a cives feel insecure about
his rights, or about expressing them (and here enters the language
question), an Advocatus should be activated. I honestly don't very well the
extent of an Advocati charges in NR, but I don't know very well the extent
of NR either. It is all an experiment.
As for the admission in the Collegium, I think with Primus Fabius that it
should be free, i.e., the Collegium would not be a sort of Club, in which
man should beg to be admitted. Absolutely not. Every cives, with the
qualifiquations required (and it muss be discussed) would have the RIGHT to
join the Collegium. By qualifications I mean a minimal knowledge about Law
and hermeneutic, as the language ability as well. But the question is: how
to mesure this intelectual requirements? So I think each one, at least in
this incipient stage, could evaluate his abilities personally and decide if
he/she is able to be an Advocatus.
Valete
Titus Horatius Atticus, ex Ponto.
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| Subject: |
Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6 |
| From: |
Masterofhistory masterofhistory@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:55:27 -0800 (PST) |
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In the elections for the Tribune of the People, there is one clear
choice: Avidius Tullius Callidus.
Tullius is one of the Plebeans, just like you. He is hard-working,
dependable and loyal to Nova Roma. Tullius has been across the length
and bredth of this republic, conversing with the Plebeans in the Forum
Romanum, the Tavernae, the mail list, by phone and by e-mail. He is
listening to your concerns and interests at Nova Roma. You can count
on Avidius Tullius to represent the interests of you and your gens in
the Nova Roman government.
Tullius has a common-sense platform all Plebeans can endorse. This is
because people like you helped him develope it. Tullius wants to see
the "Nova Roman infrastructure" completed. This means functioning
political assemblies, Governors for the provinces in need of one and
further developements and appointments to the religious offices. He
wants more avenues of communication between the government of the
republic and its citizens. The Annales Maximini and Acta Aerarium,
you may know, were the ancients' way of posting the activities of the
government and Nova Roma ought to revive them. Tullius supports the
developement of various Collegia/Sodalia which can serve to entertain
as well as educate citizens on things Roman. For those who want to
see Nova Roma become more than it is already, Tullius is your Tribune.
Tullius is the man you can trust to uphold the dignity and
responsibilities of the office of Tribune. You know he will safeguard
the Veto not abuse it. The Tribunician Veto, the most potent of any
magistrates' intercessio, has the power to halt the legislative
procedure. Many citizens have feared a "rogue Tribune," killing the
operations of the republic. With Tullius in office, you can rest
easier knowing he intends to use the Veto only as a means to force a
compromise or whenever measures in the assembly threaten the equality
and dignity of the Plebeans.
Avidius Tullius Callidus wants you Plebeans to have a tough-as-nails
representative in the government, someone who won't settle for doing a
job half-way. He is the "new man" in the contest for Tribune of the
People. While his rival candidates, the Praetor of Lusitania and the
Consul/Senator accuse each other of involvement in conspiracies and
'delusional behavior,' remember that Tullius was out among you,
talking with you, listening to you. He understands that the Plebeans
are not impressed by the posturing and fancy titles his opponents
display. Tullius knows that the Plebeans deserve and demand good
representation. Tullius is the voice of the People.
Plebeans, the members of gens Tullia urge you to vote when the time
comes and to vote Tullius for Tribune!
Thank you for your time,
the members of gens Tullia
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