| Subject: |
British banquet report |
| From: |
Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 03:37:31 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete, quirites!
We British Nova Romans held our Roman banquet on Saturday evening, and I'm glad to be able to report that the event was a great success. I've attached a copy of our menu for anyone who is curious - this was folded in half, with the words 'Cena Britannicorum Novorum Romanorum' on the outside cover, and given to each guest. All the dishes cooked seemed to go down very well, and much wine was quaffed in true Roman fashion over the course of the evening. Three of the five participants were in Roman dress, giving the evening a suitably authentic feel, and I have several photos waiting to be developed and scanned as jpgs, which I will hopefully be able to post to the list once I've finished my film! Several games of Iactus, our ancestor Claudius' favourite game, were also played - this turned out to be a thrilling game of luck and strategy, and we decided we could see why it must have led to many a knife fight in the streets of the Subura late at night.
Many thanks go to all who helped to shop, cook, peel, slice, bake and, indeed, eat, and especially to those people who travelled all the way from Cambridge and Lancaster to join us. It was great to meet so many of our fellow Nova Romans in one place, and I highly recommend any citizens anywhere who are even considering putting on such a feast to go ahead and do it, as it certainly makes for a great evening!
Multas felicitates, and here's looking forward to many more gatherings in the future!
Valete,
Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica
Praetor Britanniae Provinciae
Candidate for Praetor Urbanus.
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| Subject: |
Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6 |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:44:03 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes!
>While his rival candidates, the Praetor of Lusitania and the
>Consul/Senator accuse each other of involvement in conspiracies and
>'delusional behavior,' remember that Tullius was out among you,
>talking with you, listening to you.
Dear Avidius Tullius Callidus, at least both Metellus and I (Graecus) say
something while you stay quiet. Where were you during the last
constitutional crisis? I was gathering information, and took the party of
the Constitution. At the same time I recognised the good intentions of the
Senate (including Metellus), while still thinking that things should be done
in the constitutional way. I defended Germanicus for his honesty, courage
and noble intentions.
Meanwhile, I heard nothing from you, who was just waiting for things to calm
down with no made opinion.
So, can you really defend the people? =)
Valete!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
-----Original Message-----
From: Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------..
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 2:59 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6
>From: Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------..
>
>
>In the elections for the Tribune of the People, there is one clear
>choice: Avidius Tullius Callidus.
>
>Tullius is one of the Plebeans, just like you. He is hard-working,
>dependable and loyal to Nova Roma. Tullius has been across the length
>and bredth of this republic, conversing with the Plebeans in the Forum
>Romanum, the Tavernae, the mail list, by phone and by e-mail. He is
>listening to your concerns and interests at Nova Roma. You can count
>on Avidius Tullius to represent the interests of you and your gens in
>the Nova Roman government.
>
>Tullius has a common-sense platform all Plebeans can endorse. This is
>because people like you helped him develope it. Tullius wants to see
>the "Nova Roman infrastructure" completed. This means functioning
>political assemblies, Governors for the provinces in need of one and
>further developements and appointments to the religious offices. He
>wants more avenues of communication between the government of the
>republic and its citizens. The Annales Maximini and Acta Aerarium,
>you may know, were the ancients' way of posting the activities of the
>government and Nova Roma ought to revive them. Tullius supports the
>developement of various Collegia/Sodalia which can serve to entertain
>as well as educate citizens on things Roman. For those who want to
>see Nova Roma become more than it is already, Tullius is your Tribune.
>
>
>Tullius is the man you can trust to uphold the dignity and
>responsibilities of the office of Tribune. You know he will safeguard
>the Veto not abuse it. The Tribunician Veto, the most potent of any
>magistrates' intercessio, has the power to halt the legislative
>procedure. Many citizens have feared a "rogue Tribune," killing the
>operations of the republic. With Tullius in office, you can rest
>easier knowing he intends to use the Veto only as a means to force a
>compromise or whenever measures in the assembly threaten the equality
>and dignity of the Plebeans.
>
>Avidius Tullius Callidus wants you Plebeans to have a tough-as-nails
>representative in the government, someone who won't settle for doing a
>job half-way. He is the "new man" in the contest for Tribune of the
>People. While his rival candidates, the Praetor of Lusitania and the
>Consul/Senator accuse each other of involvement in conspiracies and
>'delusional behavior,' remember that Tullius was out among you,
>talking with you, listening to you. He understands that the Plebeans
>are not impressed by the posturing and fancy titles his opponents
>display. Tullius knows that the Plebeans deserve and demand good
>representation. Tullius is the voice of the People.
>
>Plebeans, the members of gens Tullia urge you to vote when the time
>comes and to vote Tullius for Tribune!
>
>Thank you for your time,
>the members of gens Tullia
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6 |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:59:39 EST |
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In a message dated 98-11-23 08:39:37 EST, you write:
<< Meanwhile, I heard nothing from you, who was just waiting for things to
calm
down with no made opinion.
So, can you really defend the people? =) >>
{{{eyes shifting over to Callidus for rebuttal}}}}
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: British banquet report |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:57:53 EST |
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That's great! Wish I could have been there! How many attended? I would
suggest uploading the pics to the website once they are developed and scanned
so we can see them many times over!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6 |
| From: |
Masterofhistory masterofhistory@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:15:03 -0800 (PST) |
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Where was I you ask? I was in the Forum, in the Taverna, using the
e-mail even the phone talking to our constituents, something I doubt
you care to do. While you claimed there was a conspiracy against you,
I was asking Plebeans what they want Nova Roma to do in the future.
While you were drawing up a list of enemies of the state, I was
listening to their concerns. While you waste your time, I am crafting
ideas and proposals for the purpose of making this site even better
than it is now. So maybe I ought to ask, "Where have you been?"
Graecus and Metellus, the Plebean people are not stupid, they know
what they would like Nova Roma to become. They have ideas and plans.
At the beginning of the campaign I extended a hand of friendship, of
cooperation for the betterment of the Plebeans and Nova Roma as a
whole. Instead, you chose route of insinuations and allegations. I
think you still have time to change your tactics. If you do not, I
fear you shall discover just where the route you have chosen has taken
you on election day.
Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Candidate for Tribune of the People
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| Subject: |
Campaign of M. Mucius Scaevola Magister for Praetor Urbanus |
| From: |
Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:22:37 -0500 |
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Salvete, Quirites!
In my announcement of my candidacy previously posted, I focussed on issues
of principle and on my qualifications for the post. I now wish to say some
more about some practical proposals for things the first elected Praetores
Urbani should do in their year of office.
1) Roman law is one of the great legacies of Roma Antiqua to the
modern world. It has had fundamental effects on the three major families of
modern law: the civil law (of continental Europe and now most countries in
the world), which descended directly from medieval and modern
interpretations of late roman legal sources; the common law (of England,
most of the U.S., and most of the "Commonwealth" countries which used to be
British colonies), which was more independent but borrowed heavily from the
civil law; and Islamic law (in use in some Islamic countries), which was
influenced by Byzantine and Egyptian versions of late roman law. As part of
Nova Roma's task is to "promote the study and practice of pagan Roman
civilization" (Constitution, Art. I.2), the promotion of Roman law is part
of that task.
This task particularly belongs to the Praetores Urbani as the
magistrates with particular responsibility for legal matters. A first step
would be for the Praetors to develop a web page as part of the main NR site
or linked to it providing basic information about Roman law, its history
and influence, to identify books on this subject for the Macellum and
provide links to sites providing more information.
2) The Praetors of Roma Antiqua were in the first place judges with
responsibility for dealing with the legal aspect of what would now be
called civil, as opposed to criminal, litigation. At the beginning of their
term of office they would issue an "Edict" annnouncing what remedies they
would give (usually mainly copied from previous Edicts); thereafter
complaints were made to the Praetor Urbanus, who would decide whether the
plaintiff's story if true would justify making the defendant pay, and
assign a "iudex" to decide the facts.
In the announcement of my candidacy I suggested that the Praetores
Urbani should offer Nova Romans the facility of making contracts or
settling disputes by Roman law. That is, after all, what Praetors were for.
Such facilities are offered by Jewish Beth Din courts; they "work", as a
matter of the state law of England or the U.S., when both parties agree to
them as a form of "arbitration" of disputes. Citizens might wish to sue one
another (on unreal disputes) as a kind of re-enactment offering scope both
to legal argument and to the rhetoric of advocacy. Or they might find it
practical in reality to use roman law for contracts among themselves, since
the rules are less bizarrely technical and place more weight on good faith
in contracting than the Anglo-American common law.
Either way it would be unlikely that the first elected Praetores
Urbani could start right away offering this service. The first step would
be to work on creating an Edict and, or, Leges Novae Romae on relevant
subjects.
3) Our Constitution gives the right (and duty) of proposing laws to
the Consuls in the Comitia Populi (Tributa) and the Comitia Centuriata, and
to the Tribunes in the Comitia (Concilium) Plebis. I would hope that any
new laws proposed, or amendments to the Constitution, could be discussed by
the all the magistrates as a team, as well as with the Senate, and that the
Praetores Urbani could contribute legal research and design to the process.
Valete
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
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| Subject: |
Re: Campaign of M. Mucius Scaevola Magister for Praetor Urbanus |
| From: |
"L.Cornelius Sulla" Alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:29:52 -0800 |
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Ma--------r MikeMa--------r@--------
To: INTERNET:<a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 3:33 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Campaign of M. Mucius Scaevola Magister for Praetor
Urbanus
>From: Mike Ma--------r MikeMa--------r@--------
>
>Salvete, Quirites!
>
>In my announcement of my candidacy previously posted, I focussed on issues
>of principle and on my qualifications for the post. I now wish to say some
>more about some practical proposals for things the first elected Praetores
>Urbani should do in their year of office.
>
>1) Roman law is one of the great legacies of Roma Antiqua to the
>modern world. It has had fundamental effects on the three major families of
>modern law: the civil law (of continental Europe and now most countries in
>the world), which descended directly from medieval and modern
>interpretations of late roman legal sources; the common law (of England,
>most of the U.S., and most of the "Commonwealth" countries which used to be
>British colonies), which was more independent but borrowed heavily from the
>civil law; and Islamic law (in use in some Islamic countries), which was
>influenced by Byzantine and Egyptian versions of late roman law. As part of
>Nova Roma's task is to "promote the study and practice of pagan Roman
>civilization" (Constitution, Art. I.2), the promotion of Roman law is part
>of that task.
> This task particularly belongs to the Praetores Urbani as the
>magistrates with particular responsibility for legal matters. A first step
>would be for the Praetors to develop a web page as part of the main NR site
>or linked to it providing basic information about Roman law, its history
>and influence, to identify books on this subject for the Macellum and
>provide links to sites providing more information.
Yes I agree completely..we should be the researching body of Roman Law.
However, there is such a broad area that we have not covered. I would be
particulary interested to have your opinion as to which areas should be
prioritzed by importance?
I do have some thoughts on the subject and have begun research treatises
from law professors in the states regarding Comparative Law and am still
researching such issues as "intercessio." and some other areas of Roman Law
that I feel will be able to greatly contribute to the promulation of
legislation by our Consuls and Promulgating magistrates.
>2) The Praetors of Roma Antiqua were in the first place judges with
>responsibility for dealing with the legal aspect of what would now be
>called civil, as opposed to criminal, litigation. At the beginning of their
>term of office they would issue an "Edict" annnouncing what remedies they
>would give (usually mainly copied from previous Edicts); thereafter
>complaints were made to the Praetor Urbanus, who would decide whether the
>plaintiff's story if true would justify making the defendant pay, and
>assign a "iudex" to decide the facts.
> In the announcement of my candidacy I suggested that the Praetores
>Urbani should offer Nova Romans the facility of making contracts or
>settling disputes by Roman law. That is, after all, what Praetors were for.
>Such facilities are offered by Jewish Beth Din courts; they "work", as a
>matter of the state law of England or the U.S., when both parties agree to
>them as a form of "arbitration" of disputes. Citizens might wish to sue one
>another (on unreal disputes) as a kind of re-enactment offering scope both
>to legal argument and to the rhetoric of advocacy. Or they might find it
>practical in reality to use roman law for contracts among themselves, since
>the rules are less bizarrely technical and place more weight on good faith
>in contracting than the Anglo-American common law.
I do really like this however, at this juncture, there is a very serious
issue that would need to be dealt with before we could even think of
implmenting this strategy. That issue would be Enforcment. How would we as
Praetor Urbani enforce a judgement once we or our represetatives ruled on
it?
This is a very serious issue that needs to be pondered seriously, are we at
a stage were we can implment and enforce our judgements? How do we enforce
our judgements? What kind of judgements are equitiable and feasible?
Please elaborate!
> Either way it would be unlikely that the first elected Praetores
>Urbani could start right away offering this service. The first step would
>be to work on creating an Edict and, or, Leges Novae Romae on relevant
>subjects.
>
>3) Our Constitution gives the right (and duty) of proposing laws to
>the Consuls in the Comitia Populi (Tributa) and the Comitia Centuriata, and
>to the Tribunes in the Comitia (Concilium) Plebis. I would hope that any
>new laws proposed, or amendments to the Constitution, could be discussed by
>the all the magistrates as a team, as well as with the Senate, and that the
>Praetores Urbani could contribute legal research and design to the process.
I agree completely with your third point! :) But let me add one further, I
hope that all proposed legislation would also be debated publically! By the
Citizens in general, we are all educated and have common sense enough to
debate the issues and have our opinions filtered back up to our elected
Magistrates, we need a participartory body of citizens so that we can have
our voices heard, whether or not we are elected!
Lucius Cornelius Sulla, Quaestor
Candidate for Praetor Urbanis
>Valete
>M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
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