Subject:	Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:59:57 -0000

Salvete omnes!

Dear Avidius Tullius Callidus, I have never claimed there was a conspiracy
against ME! The rumours I had heard about the Constitution not being
followed and the silence of the Senate about it, made me think there was
being a conspiracy, a fact that was already dismystified. Nevertheless, I
have proved that I care about the people and the Constitution, as I think
that the rights and duties of all citizens must be well preserved. That's an
aspect that you forget as Tribune candidate. In fact you have a Tribune
candidacy but act like a candidate for Consulship. As such, maybe you should
read the Constitution and learn what your duties really are. Also, if you
wanted to work for Nova Roma you should have followed my example and of
others, and candidate yourself to another office. Yes, there are many
offices still empty, did you know that?! And you have done nothing to fill
them and to improve the administration of Nova Roma during the next year.
I think that your malicious words are being guided, not by political care
but by envy. Envy of Metellus for being the Senator you wanted to be, and
envy of my protagonism as defender of the people, which is the main duty of
a Tribune of the Plebs!

Valete!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)



-----Original Message-----
From: Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------..
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 9:30 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6


>From: Masterofhistor--------sterofhistor--------..
>
>Where was I you ask? I was in the Forum, in the Taverna, using the
>e-mail even the phone talking to our constituents, something I doubt
>you care to do. While you claimed there was a conspiracy against you,
>I was asking Plebeans what they want Nova Roma to do in the future.
>While you were drawing up a list of enemies of the state, I was
>listening to their concerns. While you waste your time, I am crafting
>ideas and proposals for the purpose of making this site even better
>than it is now. So maybe I ought to ask, "Where have you been?"
>
>Graecus and Metellus, the Plebean people are not stupid, they know
>what they would like Nova Roma to become. They have ideas and plans.
>At the beginning of the campaign I extended a hand of friendship, of
>cooperation for the betterment of the Plebeans and Nova Roma as a
>whole. Instead, you chose route of insinuations and allegations. I
>think you still have time to change your tactics. If you do not, I
>fear you shall discover just where the route you have chosen has taken
>you on election day.
>
>Respectfully,
>Avidius Tullius Callidus
>Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
>Candidate for Tribune of the People
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6
From:	FJGA@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:08:38 EST

I for one do not beleive Calladius is motivated by anything other than love of
NovaRoma and a desire to win the office of Tribune of the Plebians. As someone
who absolutely hates campaigning and politicians of any kind I won't do anone
the disservice of attacking anyone in the current elections or providing long
lists of policies that I will fight to promote. In fact I prefer to take a
pragmatic approach towards our future and only promise to work my hardest at
protect NovaRoma for the future.

Quintus Caecilius Metellus, Co-Consul of NovaRoma
Candidate for the post of Tribune of the Plebs.

PS I'm not sure if I mentioned this in the past but this is very probably the
last election for a magistracy I plan on running. Like old Rome we need new
people to take the reins of government.

Subject:	Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:39:56 -0000

Salvete omnes!

>As someone
>who absolutely hates campaigning and politicians of any kind I won't do
anone
>the disservice of attacking anyone in the current elections or providing
long
>lists of policies that I will fight to promote.
>In fact I prefer to take a
>pragmatic approach towards our future and only promise to work my hardest
at
>protect NovaRoma for the future.
Well, if you do not provide the people with your view of the future, how do
you expect the people to decide? Moreover, how do you plan to distinguish
your objectives from those of the other candidates? Do you expect Fortuna to
decide in the elections? The people must know the best candidate to choose
according to his actions, words, ideas, plans... And the candidate's
campaign must be in accordance with the office he desires to follow. I'm
doing the campaign of a Tribune of the Plebs, and the items that I've been
talking about are perfectly in accordance with those functions. As Tribune,
my duty is to watch over the Senate and Magistrates, promoting respect for
the Constitution, preventing abuse of power, to participate constructively
in the administration of Nova Roma giving hints to the magistrates and
Senate on the will of the people, and finally to keep people informed about
their government. This last task is very important as it prevents bad
interpretations such as those that arose during the Constitutional crisis.
Senator Palladius was right when he said that there was no Tribune of the
Plebs when the Senate decided to change the Constitution. A Tribune of the
Plebs would have manifested his ideas to the Senate, as well as infromed the
people about the true reasons for the change.
All these tasks are very important and I intend to fulfil them if elected.
Both candidate Callidus and Candidate Metellus should judge my actions and
my campaign according to these objectives.
Those who keep silent... Consent!

Valete!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

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From: FJGA@-------- FJGA@--------
To: amg <amg>; <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 12:10 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6


>From: FJGA@--------
>
>I for one do not beleive Calladius is motivated by anything other than love
of
>NovaRoma and a desire to win the office of Tribune of the Plebians. As
someone
>who absolutely hates campaigning and politicians of any kind I won't do
anone
>the disservice of attacking anyone in the current elections or providing
long
>lists of policies that I will fight to promote. In fact I prefer to take a
>pragmatic approach towards our future and only promise to work my hardest
at
>protect NovaRoma for the future.
>
>Quintus Caecilius Metellus, Co-Consul of NovaRoma
>Candidate for the post of Tribune of the Plebs.
>
>PS I'm not sure if I mentioned this in the past but this is very probably
the
>last election for a magistracy I plan on running. Like old Rome we need new
>people to take the reins of government.
>
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Subject:	Sealing wax
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:07:14 -0600

Salvete --

Another find in my 'Mommy Mailbox'........

*******************************************************************

From: Helen him@--------
To: <a href="mailto:pagantable@--------" >pagantable@--------</a>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:47:30 -0600
Subject: [pagantable] Recipe Sealing Wax

Materials:
1/2 oz (weight) beeswax
3 oz (weight) blonde shellac flakes
dry artist's pigment of fresco
colors in the hue of your choice
aluminum foil for molds

First, prepare molds for your sealing wax sticks by shaping several
layers of aluminum foil into rectangular molds about 1/4 ince wide and 6
inches long. Lubricate the molds with cooking oil.
Melt the beeswax in a microwave. Add the shellac flakes and
microwave again, stirring every 30 seconds until the mixture is melted
(about 2 1/2 minutes total time). Stir in the dry pigment, judging the
the amount of color to add by the color of the wax. Pour this into molds
and let cool.
Use the finished wax sticks to form a unique seal for an envelope
by holding a flame to one end of the stick, holding the wax downward at
an angle . Put 10 to 15 drops of wax on the closure flap of the envelope.
Wait a few seconds for the wax to cool , then moisten your metal seal and
lightly press into the soft wax.


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Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
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Subject:	Cute
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:15:01 -0600

Salvete --


I've been pretty depressed lately (holidays and all that crap), so I've
been keeping a low profile. Someone sent this to my 'Mommy Mailbox' and
I thought I would share it.


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Fro--------rwen Nightstar arwennightstar@--------
To: "<a href="mailto:pagantable@--------" >pagantable@--------</a>" <a href="mailto:pagantable@--------" >pagantable@--------</a>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:20:13 -0500
Subject: [pagantable] HUMOR: Christmas letters.]]

Martha Stewart's Christmas letter to Erma Bombeck:

Dearest Erma,

This perfectly delightful note is being sent on paper I made myself to
tell you what I have been up to.

Since it snowed last night, I got up early and made a sled with old barn
wood and a glue gun. I hand painted it in gold leaf, got out my loom,
and made a blanket in peaches and mauves.

Then to make the sled complete, I made a white horse to pull it, from DNA
that I had just sitting around in my craft room.

By then, it was time to start making the place mats and napkins for my 20
breakfast guests. I'm serving the old standard Stewart twelve-course
breakfast, but I'll let you in on a little secret: I didn't have time to
make the tables and chairs this morning, so I used the ones I had on
hand.

Before I moved the table into the dining room, I decided to add just a
touch of the holidays. So I repainted the room in pinks and stenciled
gold stars on the ceiling.

Then, while the homemade bread was rising, I took antique candle molds
and made the dishes (exactly the same shade of pink) to use for
breakfast. These were made from Hungarian clay, which you can get at
almost any Hungarian craft store.

Well, I must run. I need to finish the buttonholes on the dress I'm
wearing for breakfast.

I'll get out the sled and drive this note to the post office as soon as
the glue dries on the envelope I'll be making. Hope my breakfast guests
don't stay too long, I have 40,000 cranberries to string with bay leaves
before my speaking engagement at noon. It's a good thing.

Love, Martha Stewart

PS When I made the ribbon for this typewriter, I used 1/8-inch gold
gauze. I soaked the gauze in a mixture of white grapes and blackberries
which I grew, picked, and crushed last week just for fun.
__________________________

Response from Erma Bombeck:

HI Martha,

I'm writing this on the back of an old shopping list, pay no attention to
the coffee and jelly stains.I'm 20 minutes late getting my daughter up
for school, packing a lunch with one hand, on the phone with the dog
pound, seems old Ruff needs bailing out, again. Burnt my arm on the
curling iron when I was trying to make those cute curly fries, how DO
they do that?

Still can't find the scissors to cut out some snowflakes, tried using an
old disposable razor . . . trashed the tablecloth.

Tried that cranberry thing, frozen cranberries mushed up after I
defrosted them in the microwave.

Oh, and don't use Fruity Pebbles as a substitute in that Rice Krispie
snowball recipe, unless you happen to like a disgusting shade that
resembles puke!

The smoke alarm is going off, talk to ya later.

Love, Erma

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Subject:	Re: Sealing wax
From:	Venator amgunn@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:15:39 -0800

Hej Amethystia Iunia, Health and Luck to Thee and Thine!

(Message slightly edited) If I may, I should like to add a few
comments.
>
> Another find in my 'Mommy Mailbox'........
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> A Recipe for Sealing Wax
-{V: Thanks, I 've been looking for a simple recipe ={(;{) I've got a
bunch of commercial ones, but none quite so elegantly easy!}
>
> Materials:
> 1/2 oz (weight) beeswax
>
-{V: If you have trouble finding beeswax by itself, a couple of white or
'clear' beeswax candles will supply 3 to 4 ounces of wax.}
>
> 3 oz (weight) blonde shellac flakes
-{V: should be available at a regular paint company store or a fine arts
supply house.}
>
> dry artist's pigment of fresco colors in the hue of your choice
>
-{V: Again, an art supply house. Use a 1/4 tsp measure, a little pigment
can go a long way. Make sure it is ground into a fine powder.}
>
> aluminum foil for molds
>
> First, prepare molds for your sealing wax sticks by shaping several
> layers of aluminum foil into rectangular molds about 1/4 inch wide and
> 6 inches long. Lubricate the molds with cooking oil.
>
-{V: Shaping the foil around 'Twix' candy bars is a good size.}
>
> Melt the beeswax in a microwave. Add the shellac flakes and
> microwave again, stirring every 30 seconds until the mixture is melted
> (about 2 1/2 minutes total time).
>
-{V: If you don't have a microwave, the melting can be accomplished in a
double boiler on the stove. Never melt wax by direct heat! You may get
a flash fire like in a fry pan having grease or oil in it. An
inexpensive method is using a cleaned food can (1 pound size) to hold
the wax. Place it in a saucepan of boiling water, using pliers as a
handle.}
>
> Stir in the dry pigment, judging the the amount of color to add by the
> color of the wax. Pour this into molds and let cool.
> Use the finished wax sticks to form a unique seal for an envelope
> by holding a flame to one end of the stick, holding the wax downward at
> an angle . Put 10 to 15 drops of wax on the closure flap of the
> envelope.
> Wait a few seconds for the wax to cool , then moisten your metal seal
> and lightly press into the soft wax.
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)

During the molding process, fill the molds 1/2 full, wait a few seconds
for the wax to set slighty. Lay a candle wick atop the sealing wax and
fill the mold. If you used beeswax candles for the wax source, you
already have the wicking. Otherwise, most craft store have candlemaking
sections.

Thanks again Cher Cousine, I'm still working on the Children's books I
have for you.
--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus* Ullerius Venator | *was
| /.-' ).( '-.\ | Stephanus
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|

Subject:	Re: Cute
From:	Venator amgunn@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:24:37 -0800

Ave Amethystia Iunia, Salus et Fortuna!
>
> Salvete --
>
> I've been pretty depressed lately (holidays and all that crap), so I've
> been keeping a low profile. Someone sent this to my 'Mommy Mailbox'
> and I thought I would share it.
>
> Martha Stewart's Christmas letter to Erma Bombeck:(SNIP)
> Response from Erma Bombeck: (SNIP)
>
ROTFLMAO!!! It's too true a portrait to be unreal! Magne Takk!

Know that you are in my thoughts and in my talks with Frigga, Frey ,
Sif, Nerthus and the other Female Holy Ones of my Faith. You may be
physically alone with little Terry, but you do have a Family of Friends
Unmet out here in the Ether.
--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|

Subject:	OT: Humor from Stephen Wright
From:	Venator amgunn@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:42:29 -0800

Salvete Omnes!

I find Mr. Wright's humor a bit too dry sometimes, but here's a few I do
like.

- I stayed up all night playing poker with Tarot cards. Gat a full
house and 4 people died.

- I replaced the headlights on my car with strobelights. Now it looks
like I'm the only one moving.

- I went to a general store, but they wouldn't let me buy anything
specific.

- My neighbor has a circular driveway. He can't get out.

- A friend of mine is into VooDoo acupuncture. You don't have to go the
office. You'll be walking down the street and ....WHOA, oooo, that
feels better.

- Last week, I forgot how to ride a bicycle.

- Our school colors were light and clear.

- I'm taking Lamaze classes. No baby on the way; I'm just having
trouble breathing.

- My girlfriend has wierd moments. One day she asked me "If you could
know how and when you were going to die, would you want to know?" I
said "No". She said "Okay, forget it".

- Hermits have no peer pressure.

- I played a blank tape at full volume. The mime who lives next door
complained.

- Why, in a country of free speech, are there phone bills?

Carpe Diem et Frui!
--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|

Subject:	Translation of constitution
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:08:52 -0500

Salvete omnes

Has anyone begun to translate the text of the constitution?

I and others have brought up the current anglocentricity of Nova Roma as a
potential obstacle to the growth of Nova Roma throughout the orbis terrarum.
The language barrier seems to have been one of the prime impetus in the
proposal to establish the collegium advocatorum.

To contribute to an eventual remedy of the situation, I propose to translate
the constitution into Latin, then Russian.

Before I take any action on this idea, I would like to find out whether
anyone else thinks that it is a good idea. If even a couple of citizens
concur, I intend to move forward. If not, I'll drop it.

In the event that some of you do think that it is a worthy undertaking, I
shall require the assistance of two editors. Since I'll be tackling the
Latin text first, I'll need to find first an editor proficient in Latin.
The editor should have some knowledge of Latin, preferably including having
read some classical texts and, perhaps, some formal training in composition.
I myself lack the latter and dont even know whether it is included in
University Classics programs anymore. The editor should be able to commit
up to an hour or so a week on the project, reviewing my text and providing
comments, as applicable, on my usage of Latin vocabulary, tenses, moods
etc., and assist in overcoming gaps in vocabulary due to anachronism. The
editor should be flexible as well, and realize that some weeks I may
translate less than others; there may even be weeks during which I am
unable to translate at all. I view the project as requiring several months
for completion. When it is finished, I would intend to submit it to the
Senate for approval and publication (on the website, by e-mail, in the Eagle
and/or however the Senate deems appropriate).

I realize that the end product will not be a document that Cicero would have
consented to incorporate into a speech from the rostra, but I think that it
would be foolish to allow insistence upon perfection to deter us from so
much as an attempt.

Upon the Senate's acceptance of the Latin text, I would then seek a Russian
editor and undertake the Russian text in much the same fashion. I think
that the Russian text would move much faster, however, and be done within
one month. The task of a fluent Russian editor would likewise be much
easier.

I think that, if I can successfully complete this project for the benefit of
Nova Roma, it will only help our common goals, including population growth,
particularly outside anglophone countries. I do not pretend to be a Latin
author or authority, but I did study the language and feel that I could
produce a reasonable translation.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Sealing wax and rings
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:17:24 -0500

Amethyst C Light wrote:
>
> Materials:
> 1/2 oz (weight) beeswax
> 3 oz (weight) blonde shellac flakes
> dry artist's pigment of fresco
> colors in the hue of your choice
> aluminum foil for molds
>
Or you can do what I did and just cough up the $3.00 at the stationery
store! I had no idea you could do it yourself. Sounds like fun!

For those of you who prefer an ancient Roman signet ring, Cassius has
some -- very reasonable and you can wear 'em. Cleaning's a killer,
though.

-- F. Claudia

Subject:	Re: Translation of constitution
From:	"Fabio Incutti" incutti@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:21:12 +0100

Valete Qvirites,

Has anyone begun to translate the text of the constitution?

To contribute to an eventual remedy of the situation, I propose to translate
the constitution into Latin, then Russian.

Before I take any action on this idea, I would like to find out whether
anyone else thinks that it is a good idea. If even a couple of citizens
concur, I intend to move forward. If not, I'll drop it.

I would help but I dont speak Russian and dont have enought courage to
translate into Latin. But I can do it with Italian. I'll send you the
document ASAP.

Vale

Primus Fabius C.
----------------------------------------------------
Mihi Fortuna Adiuvat, Invidia Perit

Subject:	Re: Translation of constitution
From:	Venator amgunn@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:35:04 -0800

Salve Gaius Marius Merullus!

I am neither a Latin nor Russian speaker or reader, but I applaud your
offer. I too think of New Rome as being broader than the Anglophonic
region of its birth. I look to the discussions with our Portoguese &
Brazillian Cives as an example, or even our Italian, Russian, German,
Swiss, French, etc. Cives...

I was thinking about the Collegium Advocatorum. Perhaps a Quaestor
Causidicius? An official elected to assist the Consuls, Senators,
Pontifes, etc. in the furtherance of widening the scope of Nova Roma's
appeal?

mea sententia
--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|

Subject:	Re: Translation of constitution
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:32:56 -0500

Ave Merullus et Salvete sodales Cives
>
>Has anyone begun to translate the text of the constitution?
>
I know of no such effort at this time.

>The language barrier seems to have been one of the prime impetus in the
>proposal to establish the collegium advocatorum.
>
Yes, I think this is true.

>To contribute to an eventual remedy of the situation, I propose to
translate
>the constitution into Latin, then Russian.
>
>Before I take any action on this idea, I would like to find out whether
>anyone else thinks that it is a good idea. If even a couple of citizens
>concur, I intend to move forward. If not, I'll drop it.
>
I think this is a Great Idea!

>In the event that some of you do think that it is a worthy undertaking, I
>shall require the assistance of two editors. Since I'll be tackling the
>Latin text first, I'll need to find first an editor proficient in Latin.
>SNIP<When it is finished, I would intend to submit it to the
>Senate for approval and publication (on the website, by e-mail, in the
Eagle
>and/or however the Senate deems appropriate).
>
I would be glad to help, but I am only a beginner myself.

>I realize that the end product <snip>deter insistence upon perfection to
deter us >from so much as an attempt.
>
Yes, It is better to have tried than to never have made an attempt.

>Upon the Senate's acceptance of the Latin text, I would then seek a Russian
>editor
>I think that, if I can successfully complete this project for the benefit
of
>Nova Roma, >


Anyone know Chinese, Japanese? Though I don't know how many orientals are
interested in Roma, but I'll bet there are some.

Vale L Equitius Cincinnatus

Subject:	Translation of constitution
From:	Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:29:59 -0500

>To contribute to an eventual remedy of the situation, I propose to
translate
>the constitution into Latin, then Russian.

>Before I take any action on this idea, I would like to find out whether
>anyone else thinks that it is a good idea. If even a couple of citizens
>concur, I intend to move forward. If not, I'll drop it.

It's a great idea!

>In the event that some of you do think that it is a worthy undertaking, I
>shall require the assistance of two editors. Since I'll be tackling the
>Latin text first, I'll need to find first an editor proficient in Latin.
>The editor should have some knowledge of Latin, preferably including
having
>read some classical texts and, perhaps, some formal training in
composition.

If no-one else is willing to help out and better qualified I would; though
I have no composition training I
have some access to legal latin & terms of art. But there must be some real
latinists among us - I know
there are among the Claudii Lucentii at least ...

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister

Subject:	Re: Campaign of M. Mucius Scaevola Magister for Praetor Urbanus
From:	Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:30:21 -0500

This is my response to Sulla's questions on my proposals.

1) I propose:

>>...A first step would be for the Praetors to develop a web page as part
of the main NR site or linked to it providing basic
>>information about Roman law, its history and influence, to identify
books on this subject for the Macellum and provide links to
>>sites providing more information.

Sulla asks:

>Yes I agree completely..we should be the researching body of Roman Law.
However, there is such a broad area that we
>have not covered. I would be particulary interested to have your opinion
as to which areas should be prioritzed by importance?
> I do have some thoughts on the subject and have begun research
treatises from law professors in the states regarding
>Comparative Law and am still researching such issues as "intercessio." and
some other areas of Roman Law that I feel will be
>able to greatly contribute to the promulation of legislation by our
Consuls and Promulgating magistrates.

I respond:

We will not be the main 'researching body' of roman law, since this task is
mainly done in Law Schools and Classics Faculties in Italy, Spain, Germany,
and the Low Countries and to a lesser extent in France, Scotland, England
and the U.S. (probably in Latin America too, but I'm not enough of a
specialist to know). Our task is to spread an understanding of roman law
beyond these narrow circles in the first place by making (some of) it
available to our citizens.
One way we do this is through our own Constitution, which tries to
reconstruct the Republican Roman constitution. The "intercessio" or veto is
part of the Constitution and researching this topic is part of our
constitutional discussions, otherwise "public law". The Praetors in Roma
Antiqua were mainly concerned with "private law" - the law of 'persons'
(marriage, children, slavery, citizenship); the law of 'property' in land
and movable goods and inheritance; the law of 'obligations' (contracts, and
delicts or in modern Anglo-American terms torts).
I think that the Praetores Urbani in Nova Roma can provide BASIC
INFORMATION about how Roman law was made, Roman legal procedure, and the
influence of roman law. They can provide BOOKLISTS which cover all those
aspects of roman law on which there are books in print - quite a lot. They
can incorporate on a web page LINKS to the several web-sites on roman law.
Going further on research in the sense of working on finding information
for Nova Roma and making it available to citizens, I think the Praetores
Urbani should focus on 'obligations' law. This is because (a) we could use
it - we don't want to revive slavery or the patriarchalism of Roma Antiqua,
and property law has to be governed by the law of the states we live in;
but obligations law is personal and citizens could agree to use it among
themselves (if they want to); and (b) this area is a good example of the
strengths of roman law and its later influence.

2) I propose:

>>... the Praetores Urbani should offer Nova Romans the facility of making
contracts or settling disputes by Roman law. Citizens
>> might wish to sue one another (on unreal disputes) as a kind of
re-enactment offering scope both to legal argument and to the
>>rhetoric of advocacy. Or they might find it practical in reality to use
roman law for contracts among themselves ..., The first step >>would be to
work on creating an Edict and, or, Leges Novae Romae on relevant subjects.

Sulla asks:

>I do really like this however, at this juncture, there is a very serious
issue that would need to be dealt with before we could even
>think of implmenting this strategy. That issue would be Enforcment. How
would we as Praetor Urbani enforce a judgement once >we or our
represetatives ruled on it?
> This is a very serious issue that needs to be pondered seriously,
are we at a stage were we can implment and enforce >our judgements? How do
we enforce our judgements? What kind of judgements are equitiable and
feasible? Please elaborate!

I respond:

In the case of citizens suing each other before the Praetors for fun or as
a legal re-enactment no problem of enforcement arises. If citizens agreed
to enter into a serious contract under Roman Law or to submit a real
dispute to the Praetors to be decided under Roman Law, the agreement to
submit to the jurisdiction of the Praetors, and hence the decision, would
be enforceable in Anglo-American common law (and probably in civil law
jurisdictions as well, though I'm not sure of that) as a submission to
arbitration. In my post I gave the example of the Jewish Beth Din Courts,
which are used in this way.
As to what kind of judgments would be equitable, this is a problem
with any law ... The Citizens would have to decide first on Leges or see
what they thought of how equitable the Edict offered by the Praetors was!
My own opinion is that Roman contract law was in many areas more equitable
than Anglo-American contract law is.

3) I propose:

>>...I would hope that any new laws proposed, or amendments to the
Constitution, could be discussed by the all the magistrates
>>as a team, as well as with the Senate, and that the Praetores Urbani
could contribute legal research and design to the process.

Sulla replies:

>I agree completely with your third point! :) But let me add one further,
I hope that all proposed legislation would also be debated
>publically! By the Citizens in general, we are all educated and have
common sense enough to debate the issues and have our
>opinions filtered back up to our elected Magistrates, we need a
participartory body of citizens so that we can have our voices
>heard, whether or not we are elected!

I respond:

I agree entirely! :)

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister

Subject:	Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:10:51 -0500 (EST)

Okay!!!! Now just hold it a minute!!!!! "Those who keep silent,
Consent." Is a little rich for my blood! Both of you in this talking
contest have helped me along the way and I appreciate it. You have both
offered your hands as friend, and I appreciate that too. I'm going to
have a hell of a time choosing who I want to be the next set of
Magisters, without comments like above.

Let me be very plain about this. I consent to what I wish to consent
to. I disagree with what I wish to disagree with, and I will not stand
by while someone makes an all-encompassing shot like the above. I will
choose my time to remark or not to remark, and that will be decided on
the basis of what I wish to do, not what some other individual thinks I
should do!!!!

Please continue your debate as it is interesting and revealing.
However, if either of you wishes my support, you will refrain from the
sweeping comments, which cannot in any way reflect the true feelings of
the citizens of N.R.

Marcus Minucius Audens
N. R. Military Tribune

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:26:08 -0800 (PST)

Salve salusque,

I have heard little and have understood less about your "care" for the
Plebeans, the constitution or Nova Roma in general. As to your
specific attacks on my campaign style I'll just say that since the
office of Tribune is one that carries with it many responsibilities, I
have conducted my campaign in a responsible manner. Have you?
Regarding the duties of a Tribune, I certainly know more about them
than you. I have been the only candidate for the Tribunate which has
decided to talk about the duties and powers of the office with the
people. Tribunician veto power has many concerned about its use or
misuse. You would understand how to relieve their concerns if you
knew the office better and conversed with the people directly.

Regarding your screed about my envy and Metellus, I do not even know
how to respond to that. Let's just stop the character attacks, we are
all Nova Romans and that is no small thing.

Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Candidate for Tribune of the People

Subject:	Re: Translation of constitution
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:31:18 -0500 (EST)

Now there are a coupe of great ideas!! I approve of the translation of
the Constitution for the benefit of all the Cives in N.R. However,
since I've been listening to my friend Sulla lately, I would cautioon
that translation often reads differently in a language other than the
one it was written in. We (NR) would want to make sure that let's say a
Russian Cive gets the same thing out of the Constitution that a
Portuguese speaking Cive does and the same, of course applies to all the
languages represented in NR. That seems to me to be a much larger
potential problem than just translating the document.

I join with Venator in applauding the idea, and in supporting the
effort. However. being a little old=fashioned, I don't even speak
English very well, so other than my verbal support, I don't think I can
be of much help.

Marcus Municius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Cute
From:	Shawn Kelley discordianpirate@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:06:28 -0800 (PST)

---Amethyst C Light amethystcrystallight@-------- wrote:
>
> From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethyst C Light)
>
> Salvete --
>
>
> I've been pretty depressed lately (holidays and all that crap), so
I've
> been keeping a low profile. Someone sent this to my 'Mommy Mailbox'
and
> I thought I would share it.
>
>
> *******************************************************************
> Fro--------rwen Nightstar arwennightstar@--------
> To: "<a href="mailto:pagantable@--------" >pagantable@--------</a>" <a href="mailto:pagantable@--------" >pagantable@--------</a>
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:20:13 -0500
> Subject: [pagantable] HUMOR: Christmas letters.]]
>
> Martha Stewart's Christmas letter to Erma Bombeck:
>
> Dearest Erma,
>
> This perfectly delightful note is being sent on paper I made myself to
> tell you what I have been up to.
>
> Since it snowed last night, I got up early and made a sled with old
barn
> wood and a glue gun. I hand painted it in gold leaf, got out my loom,
> and made a blanket in peaches and mauves.
>
> Then to make the sled complete, I made a white horse to pull it,
from DNA
> that I had just sitting around in my craft room.
>
> By then, it was time to start making the place mats and napkins for
my 20
> breakfast guests. I'm serving the old standard Stewart twelve-course
> breakfast, but I'll let you in on a little secret: I didn't have
time to
> make the tables and chairs this morning, so I used the ones I had on
> hand.
>
> Before I moved the table into the dining room, I decided to add just a
> touch of the holidays. So I repainted the room in pinks and stenciled
> gold stars on the ceiling.
>
> Then, while the homemade bread was rising, I took antique candle molds
> and made the dishes (exactly the same shade of pink) to use for
> breakfast. These were made from Hungarian clay, which you can get at
> almost any Hungarian craft store.
>
> Well, I must run. I need to finish the buttonholes on the dress I'm
> wearing for breakfast.
>
> I'll get out the sled and drive this note to the post office as soon
as
> the glue dries on the envelope I'll be making. Hope my breakfast
guests
> don't stay too long, I have 40,000 cranberries to string with bay
leaves
> before my speaking engagement at noon. It's a good thing.
>
> Love, Martha Stewart
>
> PS When I made the ribbon for this typewriter, I used 1/8-inch gold
> gauze. I soaked the gauze in a mixture of white grapes and
blackberries
> which I grew, picked, and crushed last week just for fun.
> __________________________
>
> Response from Erma Bombeck:
>
> HI Martha,
>
> I'm writing this on the back of an old shopping list, pay no
attention to
> the coffee and jelly stains.I'm 20 minutes late getting my daughter up
> for school, packing a lunch with one hand, on the phone with the dog
> pound, seems old Ruff needs bailing out, again. Burnt my arm on the
> curling iron when I was trying to make those cute curly fries, how DO
> they do that?
>
> Still can't find the scissors to cut out some snowflakes, tried
using an
> old disposable razor . . . trashed the tablecloth.
>
> Tried that cranberry thing, frozen cranberries mushed up after I
> defrosted them in the microwave.
>
> Oh, and don't use Fruity Pebbles as a substitute in that Rice Krispie
> snowball recipe, unless you happen to like a disgusting shade that
> resembles puke!
>
> The smoke alarm is going off, talk to ya later.
>
> Love, Erma
>
> *******************************************************************
>
>
>
> Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
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I actually like martha stewart's show. It is informative without
requiring a viewpoint to be made on the subject matter...it's like a
cartoon for adults. I also like cartoons,however.

Subject:	Attention Politicians!!!!
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:44:40 -0600

Salvete --


:::remembering why I hate elections::::


I am a bit more likely to vote for the quieter candidate. Why??
Experience has shown me that politicians will say and do whatever is
needed to get the votes and once in office do whatever they damn well
please!! So personally, political promises mean Jack to me.
Backstabbing and namecalling DO mean something however. If that's the
best you guys can do, I'd rather see Terry in charge of the whole
shooting match (maybe I ought to put her up as a write-in candidate <G>).


I have NO clue who to vote for in anything. I will probably vote, but
using the WAY less than scientific 'Enie, Mienie, Miny, Mo' approach to
voting.


I think it's OK to make the generalized statement that we ALL want what's
best for Nova Roma. I think.


Your candidate for the sacred office of Overwhelmed
Mommy/Mommy-to-be..............
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Subject:	Qui taceat consentire
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:32:20 -0500

Salvete Marce Minuci et alii

I think that Graecus and Audens have raised an interesting issue which may
have relevance to notions of legal obligation in Nova Roma.

Praetores Urbani, and Candidates to that post, what can you tell me about
the notion of silent parties consenting to an action? I remember from "A
Man for All Seasons" that Sir Thomas Moore's rationale for his strategy of
remaining silent about the King's annulment of his marriage was expressed by
the clause

Qui taceat consentire
"Whosoever remains silent (will be deemed) to agree"

Subject:	Re: Translation of constitution
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:51:57 -0500

Salvete Marce Minuci et alii

You said-

Now there are a coupe of great ideas!! I approve of the translation of
the Constitution for the benefit of all the Cives in N.R. However,
since I've been listening to my friend Sulla lately, I would cautioon
that translation often reads differently in a language other than the
one it was written in.

I reply-
I agree that a translation is never a 100% duplicate of the original, and
would assert even that, the more complex the original, the greater the
deviation from the original. I do not think that this negates the benefit
of translations, however.

You continue-
We (NR) would want to make sure that let's say a
Russian Cive gets the same thing out of the Constitution that a
Portuguese speaking Cive does and the same, of course applies to all the
languages represented in NR. That seems to me to be a much larger
potential problem than just translating the document.

I reply-
Yes, and that is why I shall not submit to the senate an unedited
translation, nor shall I pretend from the outset that the final product will
be perfect. I admit up front that no translation that I do will be an exact
match of the original, unless I am asked to translate a document consisting
of two or three words. My intention is that the Latin translation will
provide a basis for anyone, no matter into what language they were born, to
understand the founding law of Nova Roma and to feel in reading that law
that it applies to them as much as to any other civis of Nova Roma. My
intention for the Russian translation is that new Russian speaking citizens
will have easy access to the founding law as English speaking ones already
do. I expect, by the way, that the Russian translation will be darn close
to the original, since I am highly proficient in Russian and intend to work
with a fluent, if not native, editor.

And, if this project is successful, it will probably evolve into more
translations of more documents, such as flyers and declarations, thus
hopefully accelerating the inclusion of more active cives outside the
anglophone countries.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6
From:	FJGA@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:02:50 EST

I agree with Calladius completely and state here and now that he would be an
excellent Tribune of the Plebs. He, like myself, appear to be quite annoyed
and disgusted by the constant conspiracy theories and personal attacks.

Metellus

Subject:	Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6
From:	FJGA@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:59:54 EST

I'm not going to continue this debate because I sadly have no trust fort the
sanity of the person on the other end. Insane statements like that little
"consent" crap prove my point totally.

Metellus

Subject:	Re: Qui taceat consentire
From:
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:34:57 -0500

Salvete Quirites

>I think that Graecus and Audens have raised an interesting issue which may
>have relevance to notions of legal obligation in Nova Roma.
>
>Praetores Urbani, and Candidates to that post, what can you tell me about
>the notion of silent parties consenting to an action?
>
I suppost that one would have to establish that there is in fact two way
comumication before making any such assertion....Are all parties present?
Everyone on the same page? That sort of thing.

>Qui taceat consentire
>"Whosoever remains silent (will be deemed) to agree"
>
This has always been a rhetorical statemant, nothing legal. And in the
United States one does have the "right to remain silent", the 'Miranda'
admonishment and the Fifth Amendment too.

>From what context was that clause lifted? Is this a notion left to us from
>a form of Roman law?
>
I would also love to hear the answer to this. Also, I have recomended many
books for the Macellum but I anxiously await any books on Roman Law to be
recomended.

>Anxiously awaiting enlightenment from authorities on Roman law,




I don't pretent to be an "authority" on Roman Law, but it could be said that
silence is also a form of protest, a condemnation if you will.

Vale L Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus

Subject:	Re: Translation of constitution
From:	"T. Horatius Atticus" esteves@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:25:01 -0200

Avete Quirites


>Has anyone begun to translate the text of the constitution?
>
>I and others have brought up the current anglocentricity of Nova Roma as a
>potential obstacle to the growth of Nova Roma throughout the orbis
terrarum.
>The language barrier seems to have been one of the prime impetus in the
>proposal to establish the collegium advocatorum.

The idea of translating whatever document or information about Nova Roma is
very opportune. Being a non-English native speaker, it has my full (and
humble)
endorsement.
However I think it is time we discuss the Constitution in itself and its
legitimacy. Of course I couldn't disdain the efforts of the ones (and I do
not know if the plural can be used hic) who made the Constitution. This one
was
obviously very useful, for it made possible an Initium for Nova Roma, but
is it definitive?

Meanwhile the Constitution we have is this, and I think it would be worth
translating it. The Collegium Advocatorum could help on the translation,
since a legal vocabulary and knowledge is needed for the task.

I offer myself to make a Portuguese translation.

Valete

T. Horatius Atticus

Subject:	NovaRoma Banquet sometime ?
From:	GWMETZ@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:42:27 EST

VICESIMA - QUARTA
LEGIO XXIV - MEDIA - ATLANTIA

* PROVINCIA PENNSYLVANIA *
* MEDIA - ATLANTICA * AMERICIA *

Defending the Frontiers of Rome
in the Mid - Atlantic Province
of North America


September 1, 1998
Year of Rome 2751

Avete et Salutatio...

Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas,
Praefectus, Legio XXIV-Media-Atlantica;
aka George W. Metz
13 Post Run Newtown Square, PA 19073-3014
gwmetz@-------- 610-363-4982

Based on what the British contingent of NovaRoma did on
having a gathering and dinner together... how about we
NovaRomans here, getting together somewhere.

As the citizens of NovaRoma seem to be spread around
quite a bit, a convenient central place may not be possible.

Or how about one of more regional conclaves.
Such a gathering would help us to get to know each other
as persons and faces. E-mail is quite impersonal.
The only NovaRoman I really know is Lucius Cincinnatus,
through our roman military reenactments of Legio XX, of
College Park, MD. I have met Germanicus, but other than
maybe a couple of others, you are only names and opinions
on the "List".

I have read most of the "OneList" digests, but as too much,
at times, was being said already on most of the subject matter
and I had little new to add, I have stayed "on the side".
However, as I have finally found something to speak-up about,
I will "weigh-in" with my thoughts and opinions.

I have been quite silent concerning the affairs of NovaRoma,
which sponsors my Legio XXIV for which I am thankful.
I am most concerned with the military aspects of ancient Rome.

I have not visited the chat room. Frankly there is already enough
being said, most of which I have little interest in.
I do review the postings and spend too much time wading through
the excessive responses and the "back and forth" sniping over the
same subject. I have at times, just viewed the titles and then
deleted the whole posting as it seemed not to be worth the trouble
and time to download it and read the same stuff over and over.

If someone could review all the repeated postings and then render
a concise summary? But who would have the time or want to do it?

There is a Constitution in place. Abide by It or Change It. Simple!
I do not fully understand why there has been so much on the "List"
over what should be a fairly obvious answer or solution.
If someone resigns and then rejoins, they come back onboard as per
the rules or constitution. Germanicus certainly deserves to be back
on the Consul or whatever, but he has to re-run for the office like
anybody else. Based on his past contributions, he should have little
trouble being re-elected. Just go by the established laws or rules.

I am interested in the military aspects of the ancient Rome and
the NovaRoma List has had little to offer on that subject.
The religious bickering has not been all that enjoyable to read.
I am not all that religious, but I am not about to forsake my
religious beliefs for the paganism of NovaRoma, except when
doing a reenactment at a NovaRoma event or acting for, or
officially or NovaRoma, which I have not had an occasion to do,
other than hand out NovaRoma flyers at the events I attend.

I feel that NovaRoma needs to have more of a presence at
roman, medieval and/or other historical reenactments.
We are hiding our "Light" under a "Bushel Basket" full of
chatroom dialogue.

If NovaRoma ever establishes a military unit or requires a military
presence at an event, I would look forward to taking part in it.

NovaRoma has done little reenactments or activities, other than
the "List" chatroom. They sponsor my Legion, for which I offer
our thanks, but there has been little opportunity or need for
Legio XXIV to participate in NovaRoma activities or conversations.

How about it ? Let's get together somewhere, sometime and
get to know each other better. I have administered many
banquets and conclaves and would certainly be willing to assist
in the endeavor I am suggesting.

Thank you for hearing me out and as always I remain . . .


Vestrum in Vinculi Republica Romani
Yours in the Bonds of the Republic of Rome

Gallio / George

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L E G I O
X X I V
M A

Subject:	Re: Qui taceat consentire
From:	Venator amgunn@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:21:41 -0800

Hailsa One and All!

Primus: Anyone assuming I consent because I express no opinion, rapidly
loses any respect I may have had for their sagacity. I am usually
silent when I have not formulated an opinion. As it says in the Havamal
(the Sayings of Odin): "The sage and silent come seldom to grief..."

Secondus: May I suggest that "Justinian: The Digest of Roman Law: Theft,
Rapine, Damage and Insult", translated by C.F. Kolbert, published in
1979, ISBN 0-14-044343-6 from Penguin Classics be included. I know that
Justinian has been vilified in the electrons of the List, the Message
Board and the Taverna, but this is a good start, from the late Empire
period.

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Subject:	Re: Translation of constitution
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:31:27 -0600 (CST)

Actually Dex as time and manpower permits why not translate the
websight into as many of the more commonly used languages known- this is
an international organization and the more we get the word out that we
exist the better---- no harm done. Our websight is just a central focus
point for communications- eventually I think there will be many more
localized activities and hopefully even more participation from our
group in other pagan events, festivals, our own study groups, small
temples or places of worship, whatever. Translating our websight into
whatever is just fine but noone ever said it has to be done like
tommorrow either. One day at a time.

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: Attention Plebeans Election Posting #6
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:16:19 -0800 (PST)

Salve salusque Matellus,

Thank you for putting some faith in me. I have only met you once or
twice in the Forum and to me, you came across as a decent, affable
man. I have been trying to have fun with the election but the
climate around here is a bit to heavy for that. I have to agree that
the conspiracy theories are quite disgusting and I refused to give
them creedence. I was shown some mail which made me very mad and
seemed to confirm a secret agreement of sorts. After further thought,
I have discovered this to be another poor attempt at some fool to win
the public's favor. This place is supposed to be about fun and the
developement of personal relations between those passionate about
Rome. It has of late, become extremely 'byzantine'

Best of Luck to you sir,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia