Subject:	Re: MY bright idea (was:Languages and ideas)
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:12:51 +0000

Amethystia I Crystallina wrote:
>

This is a great idea, and I will happily contribute!


Pythia


> Here are some of my ideas for the Sodalis Pro Infantia:
>
> *Stories of the Gods and/or Roman children (submitted by Citizens and/or
> their children)
> *History of children of Rome
> *Games and toys from Roman times
> *Raising children with Roman values
> *The role of children in Ancient Rome
> *How Roman children were educated
> *Mailing list for Roman families (e-mail)
> *Pictures of the children of Nova Roma (a family album) or at least names
> (a 'not-quite-citizens' list)
> *How the holidays were celebrated by/with children (we all know Santa is
> *actually* Saturn incognito <G>)
>
> Any suggestions, comments, ideas, volunteers, donations of material, etc
> would be greatly appreciated!!!! I thank those who have already given me
> material, support and guidance (I even thank Venator for getting me
> started in the first place).
>
> Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
> amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
> <a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
> or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or
> service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit
> <a href="http://www.onelist.com/advert.html" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com/advert.html</a> for more information.

Subject:	Re: Solar cults....
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:37:24 -0500 (EST)

Not only more followers, but also the more the God (he/she/it) is
referred to and / or prayed to, having sanctuaries dedicated to, having
churches and cathederals built for brings this God forward more and more
into the affairs of man. It is a very nice concept, and may be true
within the nature of man himself, as he sees these things being done he
peceives that the God in question has "more power" and his beliefs are
strengthened, and thereby his faith is stronger and provides the God
with even more attention, and the whole thing begins again.

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Solar cults....
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:42:55 EST

In a message dated 11/26/98 7:40:56 PM EST, a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
writes:

<< Basically like the All, Dex?
>>

Yeppers!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: 10 Acres Should Be More than Enough
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:45:32 -0500 (EST)

While I cannot speak for the valiant and honored Roman Gallio Velius
Marsallas, Praefectus of the XXIVth Legio, I welcome all such offers of
sanctuary for such captures as can be completed. We await now only the
Consul's Commission.

M. Audens
Nova Roma Military Tribune

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Solar cults....
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:56:46 EST

In a message dated 11/26/98 10:32:12 PM EST, jmath669642reng@-------- --------es:

<< You don't think the missionaries accepted this!!!!!

Have you ever talked to a missionary? Honestly some of them that are
within my own religion embarass me to tears, damn near!!! >>

Sorry Audens...I meant no disrespect. My experience with missionaries is that
they don't take "no" for an answer. You're always wrong and they're always
right.

--Dexippus
<<having received letters from Jehova's Witnesses promising to save me!>>

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:27:53 -0500 (EST)

On Wed, 25 Nov 1998, James Mathews wrote:

> My Dear;

> I have noticed on several occasions in different places that
> comments regarding the Plebs as a lesser class of people or pepe who did
> not quite have the picture, or people who are in some way just one step
> under the Patrician Class. This is a message of inquiry. Is the fact
> that the only difference in Nova Roma between Patricians and Plebs the
> fact of the joinig date??

You are right, date of entry is what determines the status, nothing more.
The only practical difference is that there are a few positions open to
one group, and a few to another. The Tribunes of the Plebs, which
are powerful political positions, are open only to Plebeians. The plebeian
aedile is also open to plebians only.

There are a few essentially honorary or religious positions that are
patrician only. They are the Rex and Regina Sacrorum, 3
of the Flamen (Flamen Dialis, Flamen Martialis and the Flamen Quirinalis)
and the Princeps Senatus. Other than that, everything is open to everyone.

> My Plebian station, I was informed by the Senior Consul, had no real
> meainng in Nova Roma and did not signify that there were any limitations
> upon me in regard to that title. I would like to have that position
> verified, as I do not feel that I am inferior to anyone. Not as clever,
> handsome, intelligent, or beautiful (You will always win in that
> category Dex) perhaps, but Inferior to No-one.

You are absolutely right, it was merely meant to be a title to
honor "the early birds." No one should feel that he or she is
superior because of one status or the other.

Palladius


----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 03:19:57 -0500 (EST)

Thank you very much Palladius for the clear and concise explanation. I
guess then that Plebs and Patricians in everyday discussion ae like
discussing Democrats and Republicans whatever they stand for nowadays.
Anyway, I can handle that kind of discussion.

I really do appreciate your special efforts on my behalf. They indicate
a real gentleman beyond the Internet Curtain!!!

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Attention Politicians!!!!
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 04:40:55 -0500 (EST)

Dear Lady;

You may vote for me, Marcus Minucius Audens. I don't beleve that I
have done any of those things that you dislike so much. Further I will
not. I have called upon various people to take notice of my concens,
and they may have or may have not, but that is the other fellow's call
and not mine.

I agree with you, in that it is difficult to select who to vote for
but it is really the only way that we have of selecting those who will
speak for us in the future. One way to select your choice of candidates
is to choose the ones who satisfy your needs the best. That is probably
the best way if you do not understand what programs or ideas the
candidates stand for.

Remember that it is incumbant upon the candidates to make clear to
you what they stand for. If they fail in this they have failed you.
Many peple believe that they only have to make the very politically
involved understand, but unfortuneately that is folly. The candidate
who can address all kinds of people in all wallks of life is the
successful candidate since he is the clearest about his / her
intentions.

So, in closing, voting is very simple. Those candidates that you
understand. who have labored to determine your ideas and your needs,
those who have made their programs clear to you, and those who have not
made extravegant promises that they cannot keep, are the ones to watch.
In the final analysis, if you still cannot make up your mind, because of
any of the above reasons, then contact a friend that you know and can
trust who is involved in the same group, and ask your questions of them.
These friends will not steer you wrong, they will be proud you called
upon them, and you will have the right to seek their advice because the
candidates have not made their programs clear to you, the voter.

My best wishs to you and your family.

Thank You for your kind attention to this political announcement.

Marcus Minucius Audens
Standing for the position of Quaestor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Collegium Advocatorum
From:	"Fabio Incutti" incutti@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:44:09 +0100

Ave Quirites,

>
> From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
>
> But, all this is probably moot, since I fear that the
> proponents of the
> collegium have already been driven away.
>
> I hope that I am wrong about that.

O yes, you're wrong. I'm here working on the idea of the Collegium and I
hope to announce its constitution ASAP. The only problem is that, at the
same time, I'm dealing with the home page of Provincia Italiae. Anyway, I
DIDN'T LEAVE as I like the place (better, I like the pub :-) ).

Primus Fabius C.
----------------------------------------------------
Mihi Fortuna Adiuvat, Invidia Perit

Subject:	Re: Attention Politicians!!!!
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:08:58 -0600

On Fri, 27 Nov 1998 04:40:55 -0500 (EST) jmath669642reng@-------- (James
Mathews) writes:
>Dear Lady;
>
> You may vote for me, Marcus Minucius Audens. I don't beleve that I
have done any of those things that you dislike so much. Further I will
not. I have called upon various people to take notice of my concens, and
they may have or may have not, but that is the other fellow's call and
not mine.>


My dearest Audens --


Unfortunately, I cannot vote for you, being of the Patrician class. I
don't know if I can even endorse you, but if I could I would. You have
yet to stoop to the silly little namecalling and nastiness of *some* (by
no means all) of the candidates. Some of the candidates should be sent
to their room!!!!


>One way to select your choice of candidates is to choose the ones who
satisfy your needs the best. That is probably the best way if you do not
understand what programs or ideas the
candidates stand for.>


I am (originally) from the Windy City (named not for the strong winds
blowing through the streets but the strong winds that come from our
politicians mouths <G>). Elections tend to be settled by some of the
strangest things -- Race (Washington over Epton), Weather (1967 and 1979
spring to mind -- Chicagoians will NOT vote for you if you don't keep the
lake off the Drive or screw up during a blizzard), Family connections
(Daley), etc. Since I became eligible to vote (in time to vote for
Washington), I have seen few elections settled over those issue things
<G>. Chicagoians aren't stupid, they simply vote on their own ideas of
issues (and if they can't get to their car because of snow and you run
for re-election the next fall....forget it). Chicagoian politicians also
tend to cheat occasionally (dead people have the vote...many times. I
know for a fact I am registered to vote in 5 precincts and I haven't
been in Chicago in 6 months). My trust comes from my birthplace......and
so do my suspicions.


>The candidate who can address all kinds of people in all wallks of life
is the successful candidate since he is the clearest about his / her
intentions. >


Most have, but with Nova Roma being so young many candidates really want
the same thing -- that being what is best for Nova Roma. I think.


> So, in closing, voting is very simple. Those candidates that you
understand. who have labored to determine your ideas and your needs,
those who have made their programs clear to you, and those who have not
made extravegant promises that they cannot keep, are the ones to watch.>


OH I'm watching all right!! And remembering!!


>contact a friend that you know and can trust who is involved in the same
group, and ask your questions of them. These friends will not steer you
wrong, they will be proud you called upon them, and you will have the
right to seek their advice because the candidates have not made their
programs clear to you, the voter.>


Hadn't thought of that. I just may DO that (as some of my NR friends
cringe at the ideas of more of my silly questions in their mailboxes
<G>). It sure beats voting for EVERYBODY!!!!


>My best wishs to you and your family.
>
>Thank You for your kind attention to this political announcement.
>
>Marcus Minucius Audens
>Standing for the position of Quaestor
>


You, my dear have come closer to kissing my.........baby.......than
anyone else. :-)


>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


If they aren't and I drown, I'm not voting for ANYBODY! So THERE!!!!!!
<BG>


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Subject:	Re: Business during the Election Period
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:23:35 -0600

On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 22:48:20 -0500 (EST) jmath669642reng@-------- (James
Mathews) writes:
>This is an item that I would like to seen taken up by the Tribunes
>after
>the election. I made the mistake of proposing an idea prior to the
>elections, and nothing has happened. I don't even know if the
>proposal
>was received.
>


I remember you posting something (now on my hard drive and not in the NR
Folder) that I remember liking the idea of. I posted MY little idea and,
being the stubborn little thing (OK, not so little these days) I am I
will repost it after the elections if I think I have not been heard <G>.


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Subject:	Re: Business during the Election Period
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:42:01 -0000

Salve Marcus Minucius Audens!

I've not forgot your maps. I found some tables with the correspondences
between roman 'castra' and nowadays portuguese places and I just need a
little time to translate the table headings and legend description. Now,
what is the table for? As the maps of Lusitania contain only a few sites,
you can use the table to compare it with a modern portuguese (and eventually
spanish) map and identify more places there.
In fact your request sounds everyday on my conscience. I'll send the maps
very soon. It's promised for next week.

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

Subject:	Re: [Fwd: Four Greek Women Visited the Kalash Heights/Piraeus museum openson Monday]
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:43:30 -0000

Wow! Very interesting!!!!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus

-----Original Message-----
From: Pythia kingan@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Friday, November 27, 1998 2:24 PM
Subject: [novaroma] [Fwd: Four Greek Women Visited the Kalash
Heights/Piraeus museum openson Monday]


>Dear Cives,
>
>I am forwarding this piece about the Kalash tribe for those who are
>interested.
>
>Best, Pythia

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:17:28 EST

In a message dated 11/27/98 1:28:00 AM Central Standard Time,
amcgrath@-------- writes:

> You are right, date of entry is what determines the status, nothing more.
> The only practical difference is that there are a few positions open to
> one group, and a few to another. The Tribunes of the Plebs, which
> are powerful political positions, are open only to Plebeians. The plebeian
> aedile is also open to plebians only.
>

I'm wondering --- if date of entry is the sole defining factor for the
original division of Patrician and Plebe -----must it remain so?

Let me define my reasoning --- Are the Patricians going to devolve into a sort
of "my ancestors came over on the Mayflower", "I'm a direct descendant of
Robert the Bruce", "My family this company....", resting on one's laurels (or
at least one's ancestors' laurels) type of classification? Or is there a
definite expectation out of the Patrician class? I know, I know - I've read
the Constitution, and provisions are made to create new Patricians when one
Patrician gens 'dies out'. But people, it seems, when presented with a class
distinction, will tend to rebel against that distinction, dividing into an
Us/Them controversy. This is further exacerbated by the fact that only Pats
can run for this office or hold that position, and only Plebes can do the same
but different stuff. The newer members of Nova Roma, in particular seem
confused by the issues. And it is confusing, unless demoted to the level of
an RPG, something I don't think the Nova Roman Founders want. If Patricians
are such merely by date of entry into Nova Roma, then they should politically
be no different from those Americans who can traces their ancestry back to the
Mayflower. Let any Cive run for any office, then - for the term of that
office only - let the Cive who won the office take on the "ancestry" which
traditionally belongs to that office (ie - a Plebe who runs for and gets a Pat
office would be a Pat for the duration of term in office - and only for the
duration of term in office. Once the service in office was over, that Plebe
would return to Plebe classification - and vice versa). Might this not ease
some of the perceived differences - providing of course that the only
difference IS date of entry).

I think, once the elections are over, that some definitive, hopefully non-
controversial, explanation will be made on this issue.

Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	2 things
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:37:32 -0600

Salvete --


First -- Do any of the AOLers have an extra installation disk (3.5
floppy) they could mail me? I have a couple of page building/rebuilding
projects in the works and am going to have to access the Internet from
home. I have looked all over my little town to no avail (all the
magazines offer AOL on CD and I don't have a CD-Rom on the laptop).


Second -- Could someone tell me what happened in Roman 'step-families'?
How were divorces handled, if they happened at all? Widows remarrying,
that sort of thing. I was thinking that with the high
divorce/step-family rate these days it might not be the worse idea to be
able to add information on what step-families were like 'in the old
days'.


Thanks a bunch and Vale.....


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Subject:	Call for Latin editor
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:07:16 -0500

Salvete omnes

I have moved from words to deeds with the Latin translation and have
produced a draft of the Preamble.

In order to move forward, I require the help of an editor.

Even if I were writing in my own native language, I would benefit from
someone else's reading my work. In this case, the need for an editor is all
the greater.

As far as qualifications go, I would welcome the participation of an editor
with greater knowledge than mine. I took three years of Latin quite some
time ago; at the long-ago height of my Latin abilities I wrote some
original prose and poetry and translated song lyrics into Latin; I utterly
lack formal training in composition however. Ideally, the editor would have
such formal training; but this is certainly not a prerequisite.

The editor should have a computer and be able to receive text files from me.
The format of the files can be discussed and arranged to our mutual
satisfaction. I foresee a time commitment of about an hour a week to read
my text and remit e-mail with some comments, either in message bodies or
attached text files. The project should proceed week-by-week, that is, I
would generally make one weekly submission and expect to receive back, in
less than a week, the editor's comments. The work would continue thus to
its completion several months from now.

I promise to be flexible; if something urgent comes up and the editor has
to delay remitting comments for an additional week or so, I'll understand.
I would have to ask for the same flexibility in return.

In the way of comments, I would be interested in, at a minimum, reviewing my
translation for typos and errors in conjugation and declension. Even better
would be suggestions as to better word usage, clause construction etc. I am
not looking for someone merely to accept or reject the translation; I'll
leave that for the Senate to do.

This project, if pursued in the right spirit, can be fun. Most of the
headaches will be mine, I think. And, irregardless of whether one thinks
that the NR official language should be English, Latin or other, the
fruition of this project can only be a positive addition to Nova Roma.

Anxiously awaiting a collaborator,

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Attention Politicians!!!!
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:12:50 -0500

Salvete Crystallina et alii

:My dearest Audens --
:
:
:Unfortunately, I cannot vote for you, being of the Patrician class. I
:don't know if I can even endorse you, but if I could I would. You have
:yet to stoop to the silly little namecalling and nastiness of *some* (by
:no means all) of the candidates. Some of the candidates should be sent
:to their room!!!!

Actually Crystallina, I'm pretty sure that you can vote for Audens, since he
is running for Quaestor, not Tribune of the Plebs. Anyone, patrician or
plebeian, can vote for Quaestor. Have I erred Magistrates?
:

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:34:55 -0500

----------------an impersonal post to Nova Roma follows this separator; if
you think that it's personal, you have misunderstood and should either
re-read it or re-boot your
computer--------------------------------------------------------------

Salvete Floria et alii

:
:I'm wondering --- if date of entry is the sole defining factor for the
:original division of Patrician and Plebe -----must it remain so?

But the division is so slight. What problem does the division cause that
necessitates its abolition?
:
:Let me define my reasoning --- Are the Patricians going to devolve into a
sort
:of "my ancestors came over on the Mayflower", "I'm a direct descendant of
:Robert the Bruce", "My family this company....", resting on one's laurels
(or
:at least one's ancestors' laurels) type of classification?

That depends on the character of each patrician, doesnt it? People who brag
about nothing will always find an excuse to do so, dont you think?

Or is there a
:definite expectation out of the Patrician class? I know, I know - I've
read
:the Constitution, and provisions are made to create new Patricians when one
:Patrician gens 'dies out'. But people, it seems, when presented with a
class
:distinction, will tend to rebel against that distinction, dividing into an
:Us/Them controversy. This is further exacerbated by the fact that only
Pats

My hypothesis is that Germanicus and Iulianus wanted to re-build the
Republic with its instiutions and societal structure (see the Preamble to
the Constiution); to do so, one has to have this division into patricians
and plebeians. If you remove the distinction, you remove the raison d'etre
for the tribunate and you make all the cives, in my mind, that much more
'plain vanilla'.

:can run for this office or hold that position, and only Plebes can do the
same
:but different stuff. The newer members of Nova Roma, in particular seem
:confused by the issues.

The confusion can be pretty quickly dispelled by means of explanation.
Those who are here hopefully will answer such questions from the newer
members.

And it is confusing, unless demoted to the level of
:an RPG, something I don't think the Nova Roman Founders want. If
Patricians
:are such merely by date of entry into Nova Roma, then they should
politically
:be no different from those Americans who can traces their ancestry back to
the
:Mayflower.

I honestly cannot see the reason for a plebeian to be troubled by a
patrician's status: you (I'm assuming that you're plebeian, but how could
one know other than looking you up in some table? It does not change us
much does it?) have the Tribunes with their veto, and Plebeian Aediles; we
have two or three priestly positions devoid of imperium or anything like it.
What's to envy? And, as Avidius Tullius says, "We are all Nova Romans, and
that is no small thing".

Let any Cive run for any office, then - for the term of that
:office only - let the Cive who won the office take on the "ancestry" which
:traditionally belongs to that office (ie - a Plebe who runs for and gets a
Pat
:office would be a Pat for the duration of term in office - and only for the
:duration of term in office. Once the service in office was over, that
Plebe
:would return to Plebe classification - and vice versa).

This idea strikes me as a bit complicated. If the class distinction is
nearly as troublesome as you suggest, we should probably just dismantle it
altogether -- and move on. And remove the old offices reserved for one
class or the other.

:
:I think, once the elections are over, that some definitive, hopefully non-
:controversial, explanation will be made on this issue.

I hope that we can put aside divisive feelings, of class, religion, language
etc. and move on with re-building Roma.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus
:
:Secunda Floria Zonara
:

Subject:	Elections and Candidates Guide
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:23:25 -0500 (EST)

Salvete! To try and alleviate any confusion I have put together an
unofficial guide to the candidates and elections. It can be found at
<a href="http://homepages.together.net/~bcatfd/Elections.html" target="_top" >http://homepages.together.net/~bcatfd/Elections.html</a>

In it is explained the positions, how many of them there are, how many
votes can be cast for each and who can vote for what. (the Plebeian
positions, that can be voted on by plebeians only are separate and are so
noted)

An note about Plebeian positions: they can be held by and voted on
only by plebeians. They are the *only* elected positions with such
restrictions. All other positions are open to Patricians and
Plebeians and can be voted for by both.


All names in my guide are alphabetized by nomen (name of the candidates
gens) and include a little pertinent Nova Roma info set up in the
following way:

nomen and cognomen, praenomen; Patrician or Plebeian; Status within a gens
(pater/materfamilias or member of a gens) and current or previous
positions within Nova Roma.


I hope this guide helps and not causes more confusion! :) I have tried to
make it clear and concise and have made the explanations of each position
more in keeping of what the everyday duties of them are.

If you have any questions, comments or if you find any mistakes within
the pages, please let me know and I will try to address your concerns or
fix any mistakes you may find. I hope you find it useful!


Palladius


----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: Attention Politicians!!!!
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:30:41 -0500 (EST)

On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, Gaius Marius Merullus wrote:

> From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
>
> Salvete Crystallina et alii
>
> :My dearest Audens --
> :
> :
> :Unfortunately, I cannot vote for you, being of the Patrician class. I
> :don't know if I can even endorse you, but if I could I would. You have
> :yet to stoop to the silly little namecalling and nastiness of *some* (by
> :no means all) of the candidates. Some of the candidates should be sent
> :to their room!!!!
>
> Actually Crystallina, I'm pretty sure that you can vote for Audens, since he
> is running for Quaestor, not Tribune of the Plebs. Anyone, patrician or
> plebeian, can vote for Quaestor. Have I erred Magistrates?


You are quite right. While Audens is a plebeian, he is running for
quaestor which can be held by Patrician or Plebeian and voted for by
either.

The only positions and their candidates that can not be voted for by
patrcians are:


Tribune of the Plebs:

Quintus Caecilius Metellus

Antonius Gryllus Graechus

Avidius Tullius Callidus



Plebeian Aedile:

Antonius Gryllus Graechus





----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: List getting heated again
From:	"Patrick Dunn" saevvs@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:59:07 PST

>No one will enhance his or her dignitas or earn votes by calling names
or
>losing tempers. Nova Roman citizens are intelligent individuals and
will
>make their voting choices based on the individual's ability to manage
>difficult situations.
>
>In addition, this sort of behavior makes this list an unpleasant place
to
>be. Candidates who encourage newcomers, answer questions intelligently
>and patiently, and outline practical ways to achieve Nova Roma's goals
>will win the loyalty and votes of all citizens, Patrician and Plebeian.
>
>Patricia Cassia

Not only that, but it annoys me to such an extent that I'll be more than
happy to rescind my citizenship rather than watch such an unvirtuous
squabbling over a prize of such dubious value.

I have lost track, Patricia Cassia. Do you have a list of those
candidates who have not stooped to insult, or are there none left? If
there are some, I will vote for them. If not, I will resign and
withdraw.

M. Gladius Saevus

Subject:	Re: Collegium Vernaculorum - 1st Attempt
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:07:47 -0500

Ave et Salvete


>Below is the beginning of my own personal efforts to translate the
>Constitution into one of the other languages. I chose German, as it is the
>language with which I am most comfortable. This is only Article 1. Does
>anyone wish me to continue?
>
********
I Don't speak or read German but this is GREAT! Please continue. I
myself will make a printout and keep it in a binder as I have done with the
Site as it now exists.
I think that too save space on the website that one page could be used
to have links to email addresses or webpages where translations exist.

Vale L Equitius Cincinnatus Praetor Urbanus candidateque Consuli Novae Romae

********

>Constitution of NOVA ROMA
>
>Beschaffenheit des NOVAS ROM
>
>
>Preamble
>We the Senate and People of Nova Roma, as an independent and sovereign
nation,
>here
>set forth this Constitution as the foundation and structure of our
governing
>institutions
>and common society.
>
>Präambel legten wir der Senat und die Leute des Novas Rom, wie unabhängige
und
>souveräne Nation, hier diese Beschaffenheit als die Grundlage und die
Struktur
>unserer regelnanstalten und allgemeinen Gesellschaft fest.
>
>As the spiritual heir to the Republic of ancient Rome, Nova Roma shall
>endeavor to
>exist, in all manners practical and acceptable, as the modern restoration
of
>the ancient
>Roman Republic. The culture, religion, and society of Nova Roma shall be
>patterned
>upon those of ancient Rome.
>
>
>Als der geistige Erbe zur Republik von altem Rom, bemüht sich Nova Rom, zu
>existierenen, in allen praktischen und annehmbaren Weise, als die moderne
>Wiederherstellung der alten römischen Republik. Die Kultur, die Religion
und
>die Gesellschaft des Novas Rom patterned nach denen von altem Rom.
>
>Article I: Introduction
>Nova Roma, as an established Sovereign Nation, is organized as a Republic
>consisting of Citizens and Gentes, religious institutions, and governing
>institutions founded upon ancient Roman example. Nova Roma consists of held
>and claimed territories including: a central Sacred Capitol, established
Roman
>religious Temples and Shrines in various locations around the world, and
>"temporary" Sacred Territories existing for the duration of ceremonies
>wherever
>rites of the Religio Romana are held and officiated by recognized members
of
>the
>religious institutions of Nova Roma.
>
>
>Artikel I: Einleitung Nova Rom, wie hergestellte souveräne Nation, wird als
>Republik organisiert, die aus Bürgern und Gentes, frommen Anstalten und den
>regelnanstalten gegründet werden nach altem römischem Beispiel besteht.
Nova
>Rom besteht aus den angehaltenen und behaupteten Gegenden einschließlich:
ein
>zentrales Sacred Capitol, hergestellte römische fromme Bügel und ein
Shrines
>in den verschiedenen Standorten um die Welt und " die temporären " Sacred
>Gegenden, die während der Dauer von Zeremonien existierenen, wohin rites
des
>Religio Romana von anerkannten Bauteilen der frommen Anstalten des Novas
Rom
>angehalten und amtiert werden.
>
>
>As a nation, Nova Roma shall be the temporal homeland and worldly focus for
>the
>Religio Romana. The primary functions of Nova Roma shall be to promote the
>study and practice of pagan Roman civilization, defined as the period from
the
>founding of the City of Rome in 753 BCE to the removal of the altar of
Victory
>from the Senate in 394 CE and encompassing such fields as religion,
culture,
>politics, art, literature, language, and philosophy.
>
>
>Als Nation ist Nova Rom der zeitliche Homeland und worldly der Fokus für
das
>Religio Romana. Die Primärfunktionen des Novas Rom sind, die Studie und die
>Praxis der pagan römischen Zivilisation zu fördern, definiert als die
Periode
>von der Gründung der Stadt von Rom in 753 BCE zum Abbau des Altar des
Sieges
>vom Senat in CER 394 und vom Umgeben solcher Felder wie Religion, Kultur,
>Politiken, kunst, Literatur, Sprache und Philosophie.
>
>The legal, sacral, and accounting year of Nova Roma shall begin on the
Kalends
>of
>Martius (March 1st).
>
>Das zugelassene, sacral und Rechnungsjahr des Novas Rom fängt auf dem
Kalends
>von Martius an (März 1.).
>
>This Constitution may be altered by law passed by one of the comitia; such
>alterations to this Constitution must be ratified by a vote of two-thirds
of
>the
>entire Senate before it shall take effect.
>
> Diese Beschaffenheit kann durch das Gesetz geändert werden, das laengs ein
>des comitia verabschiedet wird; solche Änderungen zu dieser Beschaffenheit
>müssen durch eine Stimme von zweidrittel des gesamten Senats bestätigt
werden,
>bevor er wirksamIST.
>
>
>Wherever appropriate, the term "civil law" refers to the laws and
regulations
>of the
>localities, states, and countries in which Nova Roma and its Citizens finds
>itself
>operating. The term leges Novae Romae refers to only those internal laws
>passed
>by the various Comitiae and applicable only to Nova Roma and its Citizens.
>Where conflicts between these arise, the civil law shall prevail, but
recourse
>to
>the civil law is not sufficient to prevent revocation of Citizenship for
>violations of
>the leges Novae Romae.
>
>
>Wohin passend, die Bezeichnung " Zivilrecht " die Gesetze und die
Regelungen
>der Stellen, der Zustände und der Länder anspricht, in denen Nova Rom und
>seine Bürger sich findet, zu funktionieren. Die Bezeichnung legesnovas
Romae
>spricht nur jene internen Gesetze an, die laengs des verschiedenen Comitiae
>verabschiedet werden und nur auf Nova Rom und seine Bürger anwendbar. Wo
>$überschneidungen zwischen diesen entstehen, herscht das Zivilrecht vor,
aber
>Entschädigung zum Zivilrecht ist nicht genügend, Rücknahme der
>Staatsbürgerschaft für Verletzungen der legesnovas Romae zu verhindern.
>
>
>This Constitution shall be legally in effect when it is ratified by a two-
>thirds majority
>of the Citizens of Nova Roma. At that moment, all those who occupy pro tem
>positions within the organization shall be automatically installed in the
>appropriate magistrateship without the need for formal elections to be
held.
>Those
>magistrates shall be automatically installed as members of the Senate,
without
>having to wait for their terms of office to expire. From the time of
>ratification
>until the first scheduled elections, the Senate may fill all offices by
>Senatus
>Consulta, as necessary.
>
>
>Diese Beschaffenheit ist erlaubterweise in Wirklichkeit, wenn sie von einer
>zweidrittel Majorität der Bürger des Novas Rom bestätigt wird. An diesem
>Moment allem die, die, die besetzen, Protem innerhalb der Organisation in
>Position bringt, ist installiert automatisch in das passende magistrateship
>ohne die Notwendigkeit an den formalen Wahlen angehalten zu werden. Jene
>Richter sind automatisch als Bauteile des Senats installiert, ohne zu
müssen,
>zu warten, daß ihre Amtszeiten ablaufen. Seit Bestätigung, bis das erste
>Wahlen einplante, kann der Senat alle Büros durch Senatus Consulta füllen,
wie
>benötigt.
>
>
>Secunda Floria Zonara
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription
>to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at <a href="http://www.onelist.com" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com</a> and
>select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

Subject:	Re: 2 things
From:	Claudia missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:30:09 -0500

Amethystia I Crystallina wrote:
>
>
> Second -- Could someone tell me what happened in Roman 'step-families'?
> How were divorces handled, if they happened at all? Widows remarrying,
> that sort of thing. I was thinking that with the high
> divorce/step-family rate these days it might not be the worse idea to be
> able to add information on what step-families were like 'in the old
> days'.
>
Divorce was a lot easier, for one thing -- NO LAWYERS! (Sorry, Sulla!)
If you wanted to divorce him or her, unless you were married in what was
called the "strict form," you only had to send notice to your spouse to
hit the road. The horror show, as usual, came afterwards with the
division of property, but even that was cut and dried. The wife's dowry
reverted to her family. The kids went to Dad as Paterfamilias unless he
didn't want them or wouldn't own up to them. but if Dad had legally
recognized the kid at birth and registered the birth, the Paterfamilias
had no choice -- the kiddies were his.

Once you were divorced you could be remarried the same day, if you
wanted, you hussy/libertine. Roman marriage, at least among the
Patricians, wasn't so much a romantic thing as it was a legal,
political, and social tool.

There's more to it than this, but this is it in a nutshell.

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Attention Politicians!!!!
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:48:05 -0500

>>Dear Lady;
>>
>> You may vote for me, Marcus Minucius Audens. I don't beleve that I
>have done any of those things that you dislike so much. Further I will
>not. I have called upon various people to take notice of my concens, and
>they may have or may have not, but that is the other fellow's call and
>not mine.>
>
>My dearest Audens --
>
>Unfortunately, I cannot vote for you, being of the Patrician class.

Ave et Salvete

All citizens may vote for all positions except that Patricians may
NOT vote for The Tribune Plebis. So you may of course vote for Audens for
Quaestor.

Vale Lucius Equitius Cincinantus Praetor Urbanus

Subject:	Earth to Ericius
From:	Claud----------------oon@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:52:03 -0500

Ricci wrote:
>
> From: Ricci raz--------@--------
>
> Attention Flavia Claudia: Regarding the following, I will need that
> ValSpeak translation of The Constitution ASAP for the benefit of the
> southern regio of my province.
>

Dude:

Hello? Ex-SQUEEZE me? Earth to Ericius -- It's, like, getting close to
Saturnalia? The MALL is open late! Like, you really totally think I'm
going to miss hanging at the Mall where they have beaded sweaters ON
SALE, when I just got the limit raised on my Paterfamilia's credit card
and my wardrobe totally needs a makeover? As if.

Like I'm SO SURE I'm gonna stay home translating and miss shopping.
OhmiGOD, what kind of priorities do you think I've got?

Dudes and dudettes in your Southern Provincia will totally grok this
whole thing, unless they're like totally nerded-out or something. I saw
one of them at the Mall and I go, like "Dude, do you really want this
constitution dealie?" and he's like, "No WAY! do I look like I'm running
for like, TribPleb or something?" and I go, "As if," and he goes,
"OhmiGOD, I gotta get to the Gap like NOW!" and I go, "So go," and he
goes, "So I'm going," and I go, "Check you later."

Oh Puleeeze.

-- Flavia Claudia Buffy

Subject:	Can anyone help this person?
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:09:28 EST

Salvete,

We've just gotte--------s e--------y to feedback@-------- I do--------ave the time
to assist this person since I'm at work. Help?

This person is NOT on the list, so if anyone can answer his question, please
Em--------him directly --------verb--------...

In a message dated 98-11-27 08:31:31 EST, Cícero Malmsteen writes:

<< From: verb--------...
To: feedback@--------

Greetings,

I'm doing a research about the name (or expression)
PRIMADONNA, which has a meaning in the roman culture that I must find
out.
I really don't know where to look for it, so, if you have
easy access to this kind of information, please let me know. Anything
may help, since the complete reference till a homepage address or
anything like it.
Thanks a lot,

Cícero Malmsteen
Brazil

Subject:	Re: 2 things
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:47:57 -0600

On Fr--------7 Nov 1998 13:30:09 -0500 Claud----------------oon@--------
writes:

>There's more to it than this, but this is it in a nutshell.
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
>


Nutshell is good. I'm basically planning on dealing with kids.
Simplicity is the key.


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Subject:	Plebs and Patricians and Horseys
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:45:14 -0600

On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 21:55:21 -0800 Ricci raz--------@-------- writ--------br>
>What the supposed Pleb-Patri schtick has been
>has
>been basically been people saying "I'm better than you because
>somewhere
>it says I'm less than you." Like everything else with that type of
>trip, that is utter nonsense.
>
>We've got to work towards making Nova Roma work. Let's scrap this
>order
>thing entirely.
>
>Caius Aelius Ericius
>Citizen of Nova Roma
>


Well, I joined my Gens because they worshiped the same gods as I did
(mostly). Last time I checked the most populated Gens (and I don't know
which it is) had less than 10 people in it. I think Gens Junia still has
3 members. I could have started my own Gens, I suppose, but I didn't
because I didn't see any need. If Junia had wound up being a Pleb, I
would have wound up being a Pleb and DAMN proud of my Gens REGARDLESS!!


And unless this whole class thing comes with a matching income for our
non-Nova Roma lives, I am still the class I was when I joined -- Lower.
In the US anyway, I am a Lower Lower Class citizen, who happens to
originally come from an Upper Middle Class family. So, in 'real' life I
am a Pleb. This is no secret, and people from BOTH NR Classes still seem
to like me.


I, personally, don't give a flying fig whether you are Pat or Pleb (heck,
I don't know the difference half the time any way). I either like you or
I don't. Just like I don't care if you are Upper Upper Class or Lower
Lower Class. You will be welcome in my home as long as you are a descent
human being. Does this make me weird??


Simply put, maybe if you have a problem with being a Pleb, you should
change your name and join a Patrician Gens. I do believe you can do
that. Not many societies allow ya to do that sort of thing (or I'd have
years ago improved my own status by getting myself adopted by Upper Upper
Class snips).


So don't bend down and worship me because I am a Pat and you are a Pleb.
You'll just wind up looking silly 'cause Terry will jump on your head and
turn you into a horsey (who, I don't believe HAVE a class!!) <G> which
will make me laugh at you, no matter how much I love ya!!!


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Subject:	Re: Attention Politicians!!!!
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:06:17 -0600

>> Actually Crystallina, I'm pretty sure that you can vote for Audens,
>since he
>> is running for Quaestor, not Tribune of the Plebs. Anyone,
>patrician or
>> plebeian, can vote for Quaestor. Have I erred Magistrates?
>
>
>You are quite right. While Audens is a plebeian, he is running for
>quaestor which can be held by Patrician or Plebeian and voted for by
>either.
>


OOPS!! OK then....I'm starting to understand (sort of).


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Subject:	Re: Earth to Ericius
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:19:28 -0600

On Fr--------7 Nov 1998 13:52:03 -0500 Claud----------------oon@--------
writes:

>>when I just got the limit raised on my Paterfamilia's credit
>card
>and my wardrobe totally needs a makeover? As if.
>


Palladius!!!! Like SHAME on you!!!! You like TOTALLY didn't tell me I
could use your credit card!!!!! I spent, like CASH on Terrys Saturnalia
presents!!! BE ASHAMED!!!!!!! (or thank the gods I didn't know <BG>)


And next year you like get to pop for 2 kids -- you lucky dog
you!!!!!!!!! <VBG>


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:16:25 -0500 (EST)

Ms. Zonara;

There is, of course, another method of moving fromPleb to Patrician
and that is by adoption into a Patrician Gens. This very great honor
has been offered to me in the short time I have been in Nova Roma. I
believe in the Republic this method was used often to bring Pleb born
citizens into the Patrician class for recognition of some special thing
that they ha accomplished.

I probably would have accepted the most kind and honorable offer
were I not so bull-headed, but there it is. However, as Nova Roma moves
on, I suspect that this manner of populating the Patrician class with
more individuals will gain us more Patricians than the death replacement
clause in our constitution. Best of all, to my mind, is the fact that
this kind of generous and feeling offer depends on the good sense of the
Gens offering the adoption and not on some political hook.

Marcus Minucius Audens
Nova Roma Military Tribune
Standing for the position of Quaestor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Call for Latin editor
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:25:23 -0500 (EST)

I agree entirely, Gaius Marius Merullus. I am very disappointed that I
do not have the skill or equipment to assist you in this effort. I can,
however, and do applaud your efforts and urge anyone who has the skill
and means to assist you in this very worthy enterprise to do so. In the
words of the 20th century U.S. Navy, "Well Done, my dear sir, Well
Done!!!!!

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:00:21 -0500 (EST)

My dear Caius Aelius Enicius;

I thank you extremely for your kind support. Now that understand the
situation with Pleb and Patrician, from the generous "pens" of my fellow
Nova Romans (thank you all most sincerely) I tend to think of the two
classes more as Democrats and Republicans. and as a political thing.

I will be the first to admit that I do not care for politics (I am
simply not quick enough on the uptake to qualify)and in my few trivial
duties in my home town I have been totally against any member of my
committee (board) espousing political ideas while dealing with citizens
needs within the community. Having said that, I also realize that as
you so cleverly brought out, there is this "thing" in all of us that is
competitive to some degree or another. If that is true, and I believe
it is, then it is valuable in that it is the basis of our being able to
make things better (you build a boat with oaars, I build a boat with
sails, you build a boat with steam power, I build a boat with diesel
power, and on, and on). Having that then as a given, is it not better
to have a competitive arena that is fully understood and under control,
than to allow our natural tendencies to develp a competitive arena that
is misunderstood and not under control.

Make no mistake that I agree with you, and have little patience for this
"necessity" (my personal view) but because of the "nature of the beast"
I am convinced that we must retain it among us, chained to be sure, but
retain it still, until we find something better and yet historically
correct, for we owe much to the history of Rome.

I thank you Caius Aelius Enicius for this opportunity to share my ideas
with you and Nova Roma. I look forward to many more such discussions
ith you my friend.

Marcus Minucius Audens
Nova Roma Military Tribune
Standing for the position of Quaestor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: List getting heated again
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:12:40 -0500 (EST)

My very good M. Gladius Saevus. I would ask that you not act
immediately on your anger, and bide with us yet a while. I see in your
comment s a kindred soul, and like many of my contempoaries, I have a
selfish streak in my makeup, and that selfish streak forces me to sek
out those who think the way I do, about things that are important to me.

While it is true that we do not know each other, your comments indicate
a similar feeling to mine, and also indicate a person with ideas to
share about bulding and not tearing down. I am only in the race as I
said earlier to shoulder my share of Nova Roma's work to do, but I
would much rather do that work wiith calmer minds and clearer heads.

Will you not reconsider your decision and stay with us until "The Silly
Seaason" is over and completed? Stay with us, and share your ideas, and
perhaps we can accomplish that much more, with your cool head and
obvious interest in Nova Roma.

Marcus Minucius Audens
Nova Roma Military Tribune
Standing for the Position of Quaestor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:15:36 -0500

----------------an impersonal post to Nova Roma follows this separator; if
you think that it's personal, you have misunderstood and should either
re-read it or re-boot your
computer--------------------------------------------------------------

Salvete Marce Minuci et Floria et alii

I think that Audens' eloquent expression of appreciation for the offer to
become patrician speaks in favor of keeping the two classes intact as they
are.

If there were no patricians, noone would have been able to make this offer;
Audens would therefore not feel this particular sort of gratitude; we all
would have missed hearing his beautiful thoughts on the matter!

Let's live fruitful virtuous lives as patricians and plebeians.

Hmmm..even my father never sounded this corny. Sorry about that.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

-----Original Message-----
From: James Mathe--------math669642reng@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Friday, November 27, 1998 3:15 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Plebs and Patricians


Ms. Zonara;

There is, of course, another method of moving fromPleb to Patrician
and that is by adoption into a Patrician Gens. This very great honor
has been offered to me in the short time I have been in Nova Roma. I
.

I probably would have accepted the most kind and honorable offer
were I not so bull-headed, but there it is. However, as Nova Roma moves
on, I suspect that this manner of populating the Patrician class with
more individuals will gain us more Patricians than the death replacement
clause in our constitution. Best of all, to my mind, is the fact that
this kind of generous and feeling offer depends on the good sense of the
Gens offering the adoption and not on some political hook.

Subject:	Re: Collegium Vernaculorum - 1st Attempt
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:44:00 -0500 (EST)

My dear Lucius;

I join the Most Honored L. Equitus Cinncinnatus, Praetor Urbanus in his
appreciation and enthusasm for your efforts. Unlike my much esteemed
Praetor Urbanus, my congratulations have no authority, just sincereity.
The translation of our basic documents into languages of the members of
Nova Roma, I believe to be very important in both the short haul and
long term for Nova Roma. It is the only way that I know to get more of
our members involved in a short (relatively) length of time.

In discussing this important point I am constantly reminded of the first
rule of recruiting volunteers; make available to them the documentation
of the institution for which they are volunteering, and give them
something to do. Nova Roma has not done either of these basic rules
proper justice to date. However, we are young and we are growing and
our first set of appointed officers have done so well in the past year
that there are few items to be re-done.

I would appeal to the Tribune Candidates to take notice of this
situation and also put that in your notebooks for your future
deliberations. I envision a set of things that need to be done, that
have not yet been accomplished, and lthat list be posted somewhere in
our network with clear concise instructions on how to reach it, listing
those items which need attention and offer in the list as a place to
start in the Nova Roma's many needs. I further thnk that new members
should be "assigned" to older members as a kind of informal guide
through our new world. Those of us who have been here a while have had
questions, and in my case they have been handsomely answered by all who
frequent this list, but it may not be necessary to bring up reoccuring
questions for the whole list to consider. Finally, each new member,
that does not speak English as a first language should be directed to
the location of his languages translation of our basic documentation.
In time that can be an advertising slogn for joining Nova Roma, that we
have translation of our governing documents for our friends in foriegn
lands.

Marcus Municius Audens
Nova Roma Military Triibune
Standing for the Position of Quaestor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: MY bright idea (was:Languages and ideas)
From:	amethystcrystallight@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:51:47 -0600

On Fri, 27 Nov 98 15:42:45 -0000 p-------- p--------@-------- writes:

>Excellent idea! I would suggest including children not yet born in the
>
>prospective topic area, since first-time parents will probably benefit
>a
>great deal from experienced parents who can share ideas for everything
>
>from birth rituals to how to make a toga praetexta in size 0.
>
>Patricia Cassia
>


There are birth rituals???? And nobody TOLD me?!?!?!?!


So.....somebody? ..... anybody? I know a lady who's going to give birth
in February sometime and if there is a ritual for me...I mean her....I
would like to know about it!!!!


Not in labor, but MORE than ready to have this
boy!!!!!!!!!!<G>............


Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
<a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at <a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Subject:	Re: Earth to Ericius
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:14:02 -0500 (EST)

Ms. Flavia Claudia;

I'm not at all sure what you said in your last message, due to a
language utililized, in which I have not been trained. I believe,
however, that the requestor simply wanted to know how to contact the
On-Line Translation Service described by the Senior Consul.

If you are not familiar with that service, perhaps in one of your brief
visits to your home you could provide another name to continue the
search, as the Senior Consul has many duties and responsibilities at
this time. I am interested in the same information. If you do not
know, simply state that and I am sure that we can move on to another
person. I am sure that you were selected as a member in touch with most
information regarding NR. I appologize most humbly for suggesting that
anyone disturb you during Saturnalia or whatever. I shall not make the
same mistake again.

Regretfully;
Marcus Municious Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: 2 things
From:	Venator amgunn@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:36:12 -0800

Salve Amethystia Iunia!
>
> First -- Do any of the AOLers have an extra installation disk (3.5
> floppy) they could mail me? I have a couple of page building/rebuilding
> projects in the works and am going to have to access the Internet from
> home. I have looked all over my little town to no avail (all the
> magazines offer AOL on CD and I don't have a CD-Rom on the laptop).

Little Cousin, how many do you want? Send a private e-mail with a snail
mail address and I'll send what you need.
--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|

Subject:	Artillery
From:	Venator amgunn@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:59:48 -0800

Salve Audens Submariner et Avate Omnes!

I found a site entitled "Catapult Museum Online"!

<a href="http://www.nzp.com/02contents.html" target="_top" >http://www.nzp.com/02contents.html</a>

Also, I found a Hellenic links page (2 pages actually).

<a href="http://www.webcom.com/shownet/medea/grklink.html" target="_top" >http://www.webcom.com/shownet/medea/grklink.html</a>

The Internet Classics Library (also has links to Project Perseus and
other Classics links)

<a href="http://classics.mit.edu" target="_top" >http://classics.mit.edu</a>

And, my new favorite, the Online Wine Encyclopedia


<a href="http://www.winevin.com/wine.html" target="_top" >http://www.winevin.com/wine.html</a>

And, a post script to Marcus Gladius Saevus. Being one who lost control
of the temper of his writting, I hope you noted that I did post an
apology. Being human, we do sometimes get too full of ourselves. I for
one, would miss your posts. Even if I haven't responded ere now, I have
found them of use.

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| ___ ___ |
| /'( _ )'\ Benedictus et Pacem |
| / . \/^\/ . \ |
| / _)_'-'_(_ \ Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator |
| /.-' ).( '-.\ |
| /' /\_/\ '\ Citizen - Paterfamilias |
| "-V-" |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| omnes Minervae homo - Petronius |
| non ut vivam edo, sed ut edam vivo - Venator |
| nunc est bibendum - Horace |
| in vino veritas, in cervisia felicitas, |
| in ipocras afflatus - A. Nonius Mus |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|

Subject:	Computer problems!
From:	"Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:03:05 PST

Salvete omnes!

My Computer is having memory problems; the brand new card is faulty and
my dad’s going to have to send it back. Unfortunately this will take
quite a while. Maybe up to a month. During this time my Computer will be
non-existent.
This means that I will not be able to chat with you all for a while
&#61516;

I will try to get on at the local Internet café to check up my email but
since it cost £3+ per half-hour, I won’t be going on much.

My dad will probably be sending it tomorrow afternoon (Saturday).


Gratias




Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Noct'a to her friends
Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae

__________________________________________________


To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?

Cicero
Orator 120
____________________________________________________________

You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
Very great staves, very strong staves
Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
Carved by the prophet of the Gods

Hàvamàl (The words of the God Odin)

__________________________________________________


Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil

Subject:	Change of Email Address
From:	"Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:06:34 PST

Salvete!
This is a mail to the Nova Roma mail list and to all at Triplemoon.

For all of you that have my email address as IuliaCaesaria@--------
ple--------could you ch-------- it to Nocturni--------..
Nocturnia is easier to type and better since all at Triplemoon know me
as Nocturnia and most at Nova Roma do as well.

So could you please update your address book.


Tibi gratias ago!



Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Noct'a to her friends
Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae

__________________________________________________


To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?

Cicero
Orator 120
____________________________________________________________

You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
Very great staves, very strong staves
Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
Carved by the prophet of the Gods

Hàvamàl (The words of the God Odin)

__________________________________________________


Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil

Subject:	Re: MY bright idea (was:Languages and ideas)
From:	"Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:11:08 PST

>From bounce-novaroma--2400-a_i_c_nocturnia=<a href="mailto:hotmail.com@--------" >hotmail.com@--------</a> Thu
Nov 26 18:53:17 1998
>Received: (qmail 20709 invoked by alias); 27 Nov 1998 02:49:01 -0000
>Received: (qmail 20703 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1998 02:49:00
-0000
>Received: from unknown (HELO m12.boston.juno.com) (205.231.101.194) by
pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 1998 02:49:00 -0000
>Received: (from amethystcrystallight@--------) by m12.boston.--------.com
(queuemail) id DU2EW4WW; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 21:52:31 EST
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:52:31 -0600
>Message-ID: 19981126.205249.-449953.1.amethystcrystallight@--------
>X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11
>X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-13,17-19,23-28,30-36,38,40-42,46-53
>X-Juno-Att: 0
>From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethystia I Crystallina)
>Mailing-List: list <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>; contact
<a href="mailto:novaroma-owner@--------" >novaroma-owner@--------</a>
>Delivered-To: mailing list <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Precedence: bulk
>List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:novaroma-unsubscribe@--------
>Reply-to: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Subject: [novaroma] MY bright idea (was:Languages and ideas)
>
>From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethystia I Crystallina)
>
>On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:43:12 -0800 (PST) Masterofhistory
>masterofhistor--------.. writes:
>>Also, I think now would be a
>>good time for people to post their ideas for interest groups, sodalia
>>or collegia. As a candidate for Tribune of the People, I have said
>>many times that I want to hear people's ideas about how Nova Roma
>>could grow and develope. We need organizations within Nova Roma to
>>facilitate the exchange of ideas and knowledge about the ancient
>>world.
>>
>
>Salvete --
>
>
>OK...here's MY bright idea....(well, someone suggested I 1. already
HAD
>started it and so 2. would be the best candidate for the job (well,
maybe
>'candidate' isn't the right word <G>). I was going to wait until after
>the elections, but since the subject has been brought up.......
>
>
>I would like to begin the Sodalis Pro Infantia (the Society for
>Childhood). The focus, of course, would be the children of Ancient
>Rome/Nova Roma. I hope to (eventually) cover all ages from 1 day old
to
>Citizenship (15 years old).
>
>
>Here are some of my ideas for the Sodalis Pro Infantia:
>
>
>*Stories of the Gods and/or Roman children (submitted by Citizens
and/or
>their children)
>*History of children of Rome
>*Games and toys from Roman times
>*Raising children with Roman values
>*The role of children in Ancient Rome
>*How Roman children were educated
>*Mailing list for Roman families (e-mail)
>*Pictures of the children of Nova Roma (a family album) or at least
names
>(a 'not-quite-citizens' list)
>*How the holidays were celebrated by/with children (we all know Santa
is
>*actually* Saturn incognito <G>)
>
>
>Any suggestions, comments, ideas, volunteers, donations of material,
etc
>would be greatly appreciated!!!! I thank those who have already given
me
>material, support and guidance (I even thank Venator for getting me
>started in the first place).
>
>
>Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
>amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
><a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at
<a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or
>service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit
><a href="http://www.onelist.com/advert.html" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com/advert.html</a> for more information.
>

Salvete

I think it's a great idea!!

We have people who want to be citizens of all ages. This would be an
excelent start!





Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Noct'a to her friends
Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae

__________________________________________________


To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?

Cicero
Orator 120
____________________________________________________________

You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
Very great staves, very strong staves
Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
Carved by the prophet of the Gods

Hàvamàl (The words of the God Odin)

__________________________________________________


Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 20:12:17 EST

In a message dated 11/27/98 9:39:20 AM EST, p--------@-------- writes:

<< Actually, Patricians have LESS sway, since we don't get to vote in the
Plebeian elections! >>

Yeah...I was thinking of that myself. So is that fair? Definately not
equality if you ask me.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 20:16:40 EST

In a message dated 11/27/98 11:39:36 AM EST, rmerullo@-------- writes:

<< I hope that we can put aside divisive feelings, of class, religion,
language
etc. and move on with re-building Roma. >>

"Can't we all just get along?" -- Rodney King

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 20:39:41 -0500 (EST)

Neither my dear Dex the distribution of physical beauty, the mystery of
the ages between man and woman, the sylvian ability to entice the man to
do the women's bidding, the soft and supple curves, and the sweet rich
smells that eminate from one so fair, and you have it all!!!!!!!

My God!! as one Onelister would say; what
more fair would thee have, my sweet??!!!???

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: 2 things
From:	"Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" a_i_c_nocturnia@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:53:19 PST

>From bounce-novaroma--2430-a_i_c_nocturnia=<a href="mailto:hotmail.com@--------" >hotmail.com@--------</a> Fri
Nov 27 07:38:48 1998
>Received: (qmail 15922 invoked by alias); 27 Nov 1998 15:42:19 -0000
>Received: (qmail 15911 invoked from network); 27 Nov 1998 15:42:17
-0000
>Received: from unknown (HELO m12.boston.juno.com) (205.231.101.194) by
pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 1998 15:42:17 -0000
>Received: (from amethystcrystallight@--------) by m12.boston.--------.com
(queuemail) id DU3SMQK6; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:36:21 EST
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:37:32 -0600
>Message-ID: 19981127.093735.-66749.0.amethystcrystallight@--------
>X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11
>X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,7-9,15-25
>X-Juno-Att: 0
>From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethystia I Crystallina)
>Mailing-List: list <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>; contact
<a href="mailto:novaroma-owner@--------" >novaroma-owner@--------</a>
>Delivered-To: mailing list <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Precedence: bulk
>List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:novaroma-unsubscribe@--------
>Reply-to: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Subject: [novaroma] 2 things
>
>From: amethystcrystallight@-------- (Amethystia I Crystallina)
>
>Salvete --
>
>
>First -- Do any of the AOLers have an extra installation disk (3.5
>floppy) they could mail me? I have a couple of page
building/rebuilding
>projects in the works and am going to have to access the Internet from
>home. I have looked all over my little town to no avail (all the
>magazines offer AOL on CD and I don't have a CD-Rom on the laptop).
>
>
>Second -- Could someone tell me what happened in Roman 'step-families'?
>How were divorces handled, if they happened at all? Widows remarrying,
>that sort of thing. I was thinking that with the high
>divorce/step-family rate these days it might not be the worse idea to
be
>able to add information on what step-families were like 'in the old
>days'.
>
>
>Thanks a bunch and Vale.....
>
>
>Fara Med Godanum! -- Crys and Terry and Lapis Stone (due late Feb.)
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>Amethystia Ivnia Crystallina and Primus Ivnia Terrelina
>amethystcrystallight@-------- / mater2romani@--------
><a href="http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm" target="_top" >http://members.tripod.com/~acl_pit/amethyst.htm</a>
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at
<a href="http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html" target="_top" >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html</a>
>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or
>service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit
><a href="http://www.onelist.com/advert.html" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com/advert.html</a> for more information.
>

Salvete

I don't know the answers to those but I also have a question
What happens in Nova Roma in intergens marriages?
Who takes what name?




Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Noct'a to her friends
Materfamilias of the Plebian Gens. Iulia Casearia
Barkeep of the Papillae Lupae

__________________________________________________


To be ignorant of what has happened before your birth is to remain
always a child. For what is the meaning of a man’s life unless it is
intertwined with that of our ancestor’s by history?

Cicero
Orator 120
____________________________________________________________

You will discover Runes and imaginative staves
Very great staves, very strong staves
Which a powerful thule paited, and great Gods created
Carved by the prophet of the Gods

Hàvamàl (The words of the God Odin)

__________________________________________________


Quote of all time!

Excudent alii spirantia mollius aeracredo equidem, uiuos ducent de
marmore uoltus,orabunt causus melius, caelique meatusdescribent radio,
et surgentia sidera dicent:tu regere imperio populos, Romane,
memento;hae tibi erunt artes, pacique imponere morem,parcere subiectis,
et debellare superbos.

(Others shall mould, I doubt not, the breathing bronze more
delicatelyand draw living features out of marble, others shall plead
causes moreeloquently, trace the motions of the heavens with a rod, and
tell therisings of the stars. Thou, Roman, forget not to govern the
nationsunder thy sway. These shall be thy arts: to crown peace with law,
tospare thew conquered, and to defeat the proud.)

Vergil

Subject:	Re: Earth to Ericius
From:	Claudia missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:26:37 -0500

James Mathews wrote:
>
> Ms. Flavia Claudia;
>
> I'm not at all sure what you said in your last message, due to a
> language utililized, in which I have not been trained. I believe,
> however, that the requestor simply wanted to know how to contact the
> On-Line Translation Service described by the Senior Consul.

No, he wanted a translation of the Constitution in Valspeak so that he
could communicate with his Cives in Los Angeles and the Valley. I'm so
sure.
>
> If you are not familiar with that service, perhaps in one of your brief
> visits to your home you could provide another name to continue the
> search, as the Senior Consul has many duties and responsibilities at
> this time. I am interested in the same information. If you do not
> know, simply state that and I am sure that we can move on to another
> person. I am sure that you were selected as a member in touch with most
> information regarding NR.


Uh...What? Now I'm like, totally confused. You also want the
Constitution translated into ValSpeak? Kewl. The Vals are taking over
the World!

-- FC Buffy

Subject:	Re: 2 things
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:42:37 EST

In a message dated 11/27/98 10:03:20 AM Central Standard Time,
amethystcrystallight@-------- writes:

> - Do any of the AOLers have an extra installation disk (3.5
> floppy) they could mail me?

If you have a Barnes & Noble Bookstore, Blockbuster Video, CompUSA, or
Staples, they usually carry AOL in CD and floppy, failing that, the BBS # to
download AOL is 1-800-827-5808. And when all else fails, call AOL and have
them ship you one. Tech Support # is 1-888-265-8006. All I have are CDs, or
I'd ship one to you.

Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	Re: Earth to Ericius
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:55:57 -0500 (EST)

No, Maam;
I do not require anything from you. My concerns have been met
fully. I thank you for your trouble and for your reply.

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:56:57 EST

In a message dated 11/27/98 10:39:36 AM Central Standard Time,
rmerullo@-------- writes:

> I hope that we can put aside divisive feelings, of class, religion, language
> etc. and move on with re-building Roma.
>


I really, personally, don't care whether I'm a Pat or Plebe. I was more
concerned over all the questions and seeming upset over the elections and
positions, etc. I think I'm probably a Plebe, but I haven't looked it up yet.
I think this simply because I'm new - and all the Pat positions are taken.
I'll look it up when it gets closer to voting time, and I have to know then.

Frankly, as far as I can tell, the only difference is who gets to run for
which office, and
who gets to vote for whom. I don't know why some people seem to be getting
their bowels in an uproar over it. My post was a mere musing out loud to give
a variety of different perspectives. (I kinda like the Mayflower analogy,
myself).

Me, I'm too old to worry about such things.

Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	Re: Earth to Ericius
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:54:40 -0800

Claudia wrote:
>
> From: Claud----------------oon@--------
>
> Ricci wrote:
> >
> > From: Ricci raz--------@--------
> >
> > Attention Flavia Claudia: Regarding the following, I will need that
> > ValSpeak translation of The Constitution ASAP for the benefit of the
> > southern regio of my province.
> >
>
> Dude:
>
> Hello? Ex-SQUEEZE me? Earth to Ericius -- It's, like, getting close to
> Saturnalia? The MALL is open late! Like, you really totally think I'm
> going to miss hanging at the Mall where they have beaded sweaters ON
> SALE, when I just got the limit raised on my Paterfamilia's credit card
> and my wardrobe totally needs a makeover? As if.
>
> Like I'm SO SURE I'm gonna stay home translating and miss shopping.
> OhmiGOD, what kind of priorities do you think I've got?
>
> Dudes and dudettes in your Southern Provincia will totally grok this
> whole thing, unless they're like totally nerded-out or something. I saw
> one of them at the Mall and I go, like "Dude, do you really want this
> constitution dealie?" and he's like, "No WAY! do I look like I'm running
> for like, TribPleb or something?" and I go, "As if," and he goes,
> "OhmiGOD, I gotta get to the Gap like NOW!" and I go, "So go," and he
> goes, "So I'm going," and I go, "Check you later."
>
> Oh Puleeeze.
>
> -- Flavia Claudia Buffy
>

TO-taly awesome!