Subject:	[Fwd: Four Greek Women Visited the Kalash Heights/Piraeus museum openson Monday]
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 09:39:37 +0000

Dear Cives,

I am forwarding this piece about the Kalash tribe for those who are
interested.

Best, Pythia

Subject:	Re: Business during the Election Period
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:13:41 -0500 (EST)

My friend, I never supposed that you had. You have been running a hard
campaign for something that seems to be very important to you. A favor
in that climate is not a demand, and I understand that.

My words on the list about people doing their jobs were directed at the
upper echalon, and it seemed hit true, because the Censor messaged me
and asked what was in the books awaiting completion. When I told him, I
think he went searching for it. I'm sure that it is laying on
someone's desk, and it really is not a big deal, but someday something
might be, and I think important stuff should be done election or no.
Our U.S. and your Portugese Govts don't come to a stop during elections
and neither should NR's.

Anyway I am not worried about you. You are probably so clean that you
squeak, and your word is your bond. Not to worry. I have been chatting
with Atticus, ex Ponto whatever that means. We've been talking in
regard to the things that I remember about Brazil. I hope he gets over
being upset, because I think he is a good man. Some Americans are
pretty stupid. When you have a minute for a laugh remind me and I'll
tell you a great story about an"ugly American" and I in Spain. I think
you'll get a kick out of it!

M. Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Ancient Theatre
From:	Mike Ma--------r MikeMa--------r@--------
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:52:51 -0500

Salvete, Civites!

According to a recent London Times there is a website on ancient Greek &
Roman theatres at

<a href="http://www.warwick.ac.uk/THEATRON/" target="_top" >http://www.warwick.ac.uk/THEATRON/</a>

I haven't looked at it myself yet, but may be of intererest to anyone
interested in the drama in Roma Antiqua!

Valete
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:51:43 -0500

Salve S Floria
>
>I'm wondering --- if date of entry is the sole defining factor for the
>original division of Patrician and Plebe -----must it remain so?
>
No, Any gens wishing to be included in the Patrician Gens should petition
the Censores for inclusion in the Patrician order provided there is an
'open' place. Then the Senate would vote on it. Presently there are 29
Patrician Gens thus one opening. As far as I know no Plebian gens has asked
to be included .

>Let me define my reasoning --- resting on one's laurels (or
>at least one's ancestors' laurels) type of classification?

I have harped on this myself. There are "Gens", and not just a couple, that
consist of one member and that as far as I know have not involved them
selves in any way. I think that this Gens system is not and should not be
permanent. This is not a cast system. People and Gens will drop out and I
will always be an advocate for those who support and futher the goals of
NovaRoma and want to join the Patrician order.

> Or is there a definite expectation out of the Patrician class?

As far as I know there is not, but as a Patrician paterfamilias myself I
think there should be.

>his is further exacerbated by the fact that only Pats
>can run for this office or hold that position, and only Plebes can do the
same
>but different stuff.

Well we are trying to model ourselves after the Res Publica to do things
differently would make us something else and not Nova ROMA.

The newer members of Nova Roma, in particular seem
>confused by the issues. And it is confusing, unless demoted to the level
of
>an RPG,

Please define 'RPG'? sorry I'm ignorant.

>If Patricians
>are such merely by date of entry into Nova Roma, then they should
politically
>be no different from those Americans who can traces their ancestry back to
the
>Mayflower.

But we are not trying to recreate the United States, and Plebians are
elegible for more positions in the government than Patricians anyway.

> Let any Cive run for any office<snip>- providing of course that the only
>difference IS date of entry).

I think that the constitution and the site explain thing fairly clearly.
Nova Roma is only nine months old, we should try to make things work before
throwing whole systems out.
>

Vale, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus

Subject:	Re: Ancient Theatre
From:	Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:47:18 -0800 (PST)

---Mike Ma--------r MikeMa--------r@-------- wrote:
>
> From: Mike Ma--------r MikeMa--------r@--------
>
> Salvete, Civites!
>
> According to a recent London Times there is a website on ancient
Greek &
> Roman theatres at
>
> <a href="http://www.warwick.ac.uk/THEATRON/" target="_top" >http://www.warwick.ac.uk/THEATRON/</a>
>
> I haven't looked at it myself yet, but may be of intererest to anyone
> interested in the drama in Roma Antiqua!
>
> Valete
> M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
>
>

Salvete!
I _have_ just checked this site out, and it's an absolutely
bang-on resource for people interested in both Greek and Roman
theatres, primarily in terms of their architecture, rather than
related to the drama itself. It certainly gets my seal of approval -
thanks for the recommendation, Magister!
Valete,
Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica,
Candidate for Praetor Urbanus
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Subject:	Campaign of Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica for Praetor Urbanus
From:	Claudia Aprica quinta_claudia_lucentia_aprica@--------
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:50:22 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Quirites!
With the time for voting almost upon us, I feel that I would like
to make a further statement concerning my aims and ideas for the
office of Praetor Urbanus.
I have read with interest the statements of my fellow-candidates
for this post, and am particularly impressed by the suggestion of M.
Mucius Scaevola Magister that the successful magistrates should work
to set up a Praetorian web-page, with information relating to both
Nova Roman and ancient Roman law. I see such a step as part of a
wider, and perhaps the most vital, task of the Praetores Urbani -
namely to arrange the administrative details necessary to allow the
legal system of Nova Roma to function effectively. This task includes
educating the citizens about the legal procedures which are available
to them, and how best to use them, thus encouraging the citizens to
come forth and present legal cases to the Praetors. For this purpose,
a web-page would be an admirable vehicle, and I believe that I possess
the necessary HTML skills to carry out such a project. Such a web-page
would help to increase the contactability of the Praetors, making us
more accessible both by explaining what the Praetors can do for the
citizens, and by including simple contact details such as e-mail
addresses, and perhaps also a fill-in form for submitting enquiries
directly to the Praetors.
Other administration which needs attention before law cases can
effectively be carried out in Nova Roma includes most importantly the
proper organisation of the various comitia, including a clear
statement of their functions and the mechanisms by which they can
vote. The current constitution is woefully vague, and at times even
contradictory, regarding the comitia, and if elected, I would make it
one of my first priorities to work in conjunction with other
magistrates in order to get these vital assemblies up and running at
last.
The question of enforcing the judgements made by either the
Praetors or by judges (iudices) appointed by them is another important
practical issue, again raised by my fellow candidates. Since Nova Roma
is a virtual community, the only practical leverage which the state
can have over its citizens to enforce its rulings is the removal of
either their citizenship or their positions of status within the
community. I see the removal of citizenship as an extreme punishment,
which should be used only in cases of the utmost seriousness. It
should be seen as the equivalent of the death penalty, since it
constitutes the expulsion of a citizen from the virtual community -
effectively, online 'death'. The removal of positions of status could
be used more freely - for instance, corrupt priests or magistrates
could have their positions confiscated. In these cases, there would be
no difficulty regarding enforcement, since once the priest's or
magistrate's powers had been removed, all references to their holding
the office removed from the web-site, and a public notice posted of
their dismissal, they would be unable to exercise the powers they had
previously held.
This scenario rests primarily on public knowledge. Effectively,
the powers which go with any position of status in Nova Roma rest upon
the community at large knowing that a citizen holds that position. If
all Nova Romans know who their consuls are, for instance, they will
respect the power held by those consuls, and allow them to exercise
that power. However, if no-one knows who the consuls are, they will be
unable to exert any influence, since their names will carry no
influence with the citizens. I see this basic principle as being the
key to the enforcement of all Praetorian rulings, whether over
citizens in positions of power, or ordinary private citizens.
If, for instance, the terms of any contracts made between
citizens are made public, then all members of our community will know
if either party fails to abide by those terms. Similarly, if rulings
made in legal trials are made public, then all citizens will know if
the guilty party fails to abide by the judgement of the Praetors or
Iudices. I would hope that the public indignation which would arise in
the case of contracts or rulings being ignored would be enough, in a
close-knit community such as ours, to effectively enforce those
rulings. Citizens who were known to have gone against agreed contracts
or magisterial rulings would hopefully face such condemnation from the
community at large that a sense of shame would drive them to obey the
law.
I would hope if elected to work towards drawing up a detailed
practical version of the above suggestions, which would cover all
types of rulings and their enforcement. A regular system could be
instituted, whereby all contracts and judgements could be posted both
to the mailing list and on the Praetors' web-page, giving public
access to them, and thus ensuring that they are enforced. I realise
that these measures would not be enough to halt a truly corrupt
magistrate, who, for instance, decided to disappear with the contents
of the treasury. However, they seem to me to be the only means we have
available for enforcing judgements. I hope that most citizens would
agree that, since Nova Roma is a community based on trust and
friendship, any citizen who had publicly violated a legally binding
judgement, and thus aroused the anger of his or her fellow citizens,
would quickly cease to find Nova Roma an enjoyable experience.
In summary, my concerns are for the practical tasks with which
the Praetors will be faced when they first enter office. Tasks such as
the education of the people concerning the law, the organisation of
the comitia and the development of an effective system for the
enforcement of the terms of contracts and judicial rulings are all of
paramount importance. They must be addressed before the Praetors will
be able to move on to what will hopefully become the more regular
aspects of their job - actually overseeing court cases and responding
to the day-to-day queries of citizens. My aim is to put into motion
the office of Praetor as an active magistracy which can contribute a
real and effective legal system for the use the Nova Roman community.
I thank you, Quirites, and look forward to serving you in office!
Valete,
Q. Claudia Lucentia Aprica,
Candidate for Praetor Urbanus.


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Subject:	Re: Palladius
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:17:22 -0500 (EST)

I would like to send a personal message to Palladius, but using the
following code:

amograth@--------

I have had the "Post Office" return the message. If anyone else has an
alternate code or a corrected code(I have not ruled out a mistake on my
part) I would much appreciate the mention of it.

The ideal situation of course would be for Palladius to contact me.
Thank you in advance for your kind attention to this message.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Palladius
From:	Claudia missmoon@--------
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:10:57 -0500

James Mathews wrote:
>
> From: jmath669642reng@-------- (James Mathe--------/font>
>
> I would like to send a personal message to Palladius, but using the
> following code:
>
> amograth@--------
>

amcgrath@-------- is the correct address.

Subject:	Re: Plebs and Patricians
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:28:37 -0500 (EST)

I support the comments of my most esteemed Lucius Equitius Cinncinnatus.
Do not forget that the more of these aspects of Roman life that we shed,
the farther away that we move from the original conception of Nova Roma.
Remember too, that we have already departed significantly from our
forefathers in giving women equal standing and the vote.

I do not believe anyone in their right mind would wish to do anything
else but that, in light of the tremendous potential that women have
brought to our modern society, but nevertheless we have made that
change, and we must work in the old systems to maake that a workable
system (it alreadt is for my money!) before we start throwing other
things out of the system as well.

Do not mistake me in that I think that the Patrician class should remain
a stolid, wooden group of non-productive citizens. That is not my idea
at all. I agree too with Lucius that there should be some possibilities
open to patricians not open to Plebians, but only if the Patrician Class
is on the move and there are ways to move from Plebian into Patrician
Class by Accomplishment or Recogniton or both. The Patrician Class in
my humble Plebian opinion should be the example of that class who seizes
upon new ideas and exciting proposals and admits those wishing to be
Patrician as a mark that you have arrived!!!

It may be that other Plebians have no desire to leave th Plebian Class
for a variety of reasons, but remembe the human animal requires an
appreciation of effort of some kind, verbal, financial, positional,
influential, but something, At the present time all we can really offer
is vrbal praise, which is usually considered to be a short time remedy
and the moving of Plebians into the Patrician Class by adoption. I
would ask that the great Patrician Houses consider a policy of adoption
as arecognition to Plebians who have met the goals of the individual
Patrician Gens whatever those goals might be. Rather like specialized
Scholarships in meeting the needs of Nova Roma in many different ways.
The offer of adoption to a Patriian Gens does not have to be accepted if
the individual's goals do not move in that way, but within Nova Roma, I
believe that such an offer engenders great honor upon the recipient, and
that honor should be shared throughout Nova Roma as a measure of those
who have done great things in Nova Roma.

I thank my fellow Romans for your very kind attention to my few poor
words on this subject. as it is a great privaledge simply to be allowed
to share my ideas with you all in this forum.

Marcus Minucius Audens
Military Tribune
Standing for the position of Quaestor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Constitution auf Deutsch
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:17:45 -0800

Valete.

I am by no stretch of the imagination or the dictionary fluent in
German. However there are a few things I noted that I can help with.
All of these are basically vocabulary. I will hopefully think of some
way for my suggestions to be noticible in the following text. What I
will probably do is use some combination of line breaks and starsa nd
sub-strokes. There really arent that many, but for the sake of the few
I noticed that I AM able to help with, Her it goes!

Nodigio@-------- wrote:

>
> Below is the beginning of my own personal efforts to translate the
> Constitution into one of the other languages. I chose German, as it is the
> language with which I am most comfortable. This is only Article 1. Does
> anyone wish me to continue?
>
> Constitution of NOVA ROMA
>
> Beschaffenheit des

** NOVAS ROM ** I strongly suggest that you keep this name in the Latin,
just like it is in the English version of the constitution.

** NOVA ROMA ** ** throughout the document **

>
> Preamble
> We the Senate and People of Nova Roma, as an independent and sovereign nation,
> here
> set forth this Constitution as the foundation and structure of our governing
> institutions
> and common society.
>
> Präambel legten wir der Senat und die Leute des Novas Rom, wie unabhängige und
> souveräne Nation, hier diese Beschaffenheit als die Grundlage und die Struktur
> unserer regelnanstalten und allgemeinen Gesellschaft fest.
>
> As the spiritual heir to the Republic of ancient Rome, Nova Roma shall
> endeavor to
> exist, in all manners practical and acceptable, as the modern restoration of
> the ancient
> Roman Republic. The culture, religion, and society of Nova Roma shall be
> patterned
> upon those of ancient Rome.
>
>
> Als der geistige Erbe zur Republik von altem Rom, bemüht sich Nova Rom, zu
> existierenen, in allen praktischen und annehmbaren Weise, als die moderne
> Wiederherstellung der alten römischen Republik. Die Kultur, die Religion und
> die Gesellschaft des Novas Rom patterned nach denen von altem Rom.
>
> Article I: Introduction
> Nova Roma, as an established Sovereign Nation, is organized as a Republic
> consisting of Citizens and Gentes, religious institutions, and governing
> institutions founded upon ancient Roman example. Nova Roma consists of held
> and claimed territories including: a central Sacred Capitol, established Roman
> religious Temples and Shrines in various locations around the world, and
> "temporary" Sacred Territories existing for the duration of ceremonies
> wherever
> rites of the Religio Romana are held and officiated by recognized members of
> the
> religious institutions of Nova Roma.
>
>
> Artikel I: Einleitung Nova Rom, wie hergestellte souveräne
> Nation, wird als
> Republik organisiert, die aus Bürgern und Gentes, frommen Anstalten und den
> Regelnanstalten gegründet werden nach altem römischem Beispiel besteht. Nova
> Rom besteht aus den angehaltenen und behaupteten Gegenden einschließlich: ein
> zentrales

**Sacred Capitol**

**got to look up "Sacred" auf Deutsch in this context. HELP!! but I
think
** Heilige ** will sork well when linked with ** Kapitol **(which is
word for Rome's)
** Capitol ** = ** Kapitol **

>, hergestellte römische fromme Bügel und ein

**Shrines**
** I'll look for a more German word for this too

> in den verschiedenen Standorten um die Welt und

" die temporären "

**Sacred** = ** Heilige **

> Gegenden, die während der Dauer von Zeremonien existierenen, wohin

**rites** = ** Ritus **

> des
> Religio Romana von anerkannten Bauteilen der frommen Anstalten des Novas Rom
> angehalten und amtiert werden.
>
>
> As a nation, Nova Roma shall be the temporal homeland and worldly focus for
> the
> Religio Romana. The primary functions of Nova Roma shall be to promote the
> study and practice of pagan Roman civilization, defined as the period from the
> founding of the City of Rome in 753 BCE to the removal of the altar of Victory
> from the Senate in 394 CE and encompassing such fields as religion, culture,
> politics, art, literature, language, and philosophy.
>
>
> Als Nation ist Nova Rom der zeitliche

**Homeland** = ** Heimatland **

und

**worldly** = ** weltliche **

> der Fokus für das
> Religio Romana. Die Primärfunktionen des Novas Rom sind, die Studie und die
> Praxis der pagan römischen Zivilisation zu fördern, definiert als die Periode
> von der Gründung der Stadt von Rom in 753 BCE zum Abbau des Altar des Sieges
> vom Senat in CER 394 und vom Umgeben solcher Felder wie Religion, Kultur,
> Politiken, kunst, Literatur, Sprache und Philosophie.
>
> The legal, sacral, and accounting year of Nova Roma shall begin on the Kalends
> of
> Martius (March 1st).
>
> Das zugelassene,

**sacral** = ** heilige **

> und Rechnungsjahr des Novas Rom fängt auf dem Kalends
> von Martius an (März 1.).
>
> This Constitution may be altered by law passed by one of the comitia; such
> alterations to this Constitution must be ratified by a vote of two-thirds of
> the
> entire Senate before it shall take effect.
>
> Diese Beschaffenheit kann durch das Gesetz geändert werden, das laengs ein
> des Comitia verabschiedet wird; solche Änderungen zu dieser Beschaffenheit
> müssen durch eine Stimme von zweidrittel des gesamten Senats bestätigt werden,
> bevor er wirksamIST.
>
> Wherever appropriate, the term "civil law" refers to the laws and regulations
> of the
> localities, states, and countries in which Nova Roma and its Citizens finds
> itself
> operating. The term leges Novae Romae refers to only those internal laws
> passed
> by the various Comitiae and applicable only to Nova Roma and its Citizens.
> Where conflicts between these arise, the civil law shall prevail, but recourse
> to
> the civil law is not sufficient to prevent revocation of Citizenship for
> violations of
> the leges Novae Romae.
>
>
> Wohin passend, die Bezeichnung " Zivilrecht " die Gesetze und die Regelungen
> der Stellen, der Zustände und der Länder anspricht, in denen Nova Rom und
> seine Bürger sich findet, zu funktionieren. Die Bezeichnung legesnovas Romae
> spricht nur jene internen Gesetze an, die laengs des verschiedenen Comitiae
> verabschiedet werden und nur auf Nova Rom und seine Bürger anwendbar. Wo
> $überschneidungen zwischen diesen entstehen, herscht das Zivilrecht vor, aber
> Entschädigung zum Zivilrecht ist nicht genügend, Rücknahme der
> Staatsbürgerschaft für Verletzungen der legesnovas Romae zu verhindern.
>
>
> This Constitution shall be legally in effect when it is ratified by a two-
> thirds majority
> of the Citizens of Nova Roma. At that moment, all those who occupy pro tem
> positions within the organization shall be automatically installed in the
> appropriate magistrateship without the need for formal elections to be held.
> Those
> magistrates shall be automatically installed as members of the Senate, without
> having to wait for their terms of office to expire. From the time of
> ratification
> until the first scheduled elections, the Senate may fill all offices by
> Senatus
> Consulta, as necessary.
>
>
> Diese Beschaffenheit ist erlaubterweise in Wirklichkeit, wenn sie von einer
> zweidrittel Majorität der Bürger des Novas Rom bestätigt wird. An diesem
> Moment allem die, die, die besetzen, Protem innerhalb der Organisation in
> Position bringt, ist installiert automatisch in das passende

**in das passende magistrateship** = ** in der passende Magistratur **

> ohne die Notwendigkeit an den formalen Wahlen angehalten zu werden. Jene
> Richter sind automatisch als Bauteile des Senats installiert, ohne zu müssen,
> zu warten, daß ihre Amtszeiten ablaufen. Seit Bestätigung, bis das erste
> Wahlen einplante, kann der Senat alle Büros durch Senatus Consulta füllen, wie
> benötigt.
>
>
> Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	RPGs (was Re: Plebs and Patricians)
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:37:59 -0600 (CST)

Salvete omnes...

Floria Zonara said:

>>The newer members of Nova Roma, in particular seem
>>confused by the issues. And it is confusing, unless
>>demoted to the level of an RPG, something I don't
>>think the Nova Roman Founders want.

...to which Equitius Cincinnatus responded:

>Please define 'RPG'?

Don't mind if I do...especially as this subject crops up from time to
time, and I'm not really sure why.

An 'RPG' is a role-playing game. The most famous one is Dungeons and
Dragons, but many other fantasy RPGs exist and many games in other
genres (sci-fi, superhero, horror and so on). All can basically be
described as a group of people sitting down and making up a story
together; one player is the Game Master or Dungeon Master, who
functions as narrator and referee, and the rest are the characters, the
heroes of the story. The GM tells the players where they are, what
they see and hear, and what's going on in the game-world around them.
The other players then tell how their characters act and react, what
they say and do. Characters work together to attain higher levels of
experience, find treasure, gain power, or any number of other
reasons--every character (and player) has his own reasons for
adventuring. It's good clean fun, and a decent game session can be
several hours long.

Now, what puzzles me is why the subject of RPGs keeps coming up in
reference to Nova Roma. True, there are online versions of these
games, played in MUDs (virtual game-worlds) and sometimes chatrooms all
over the world. In fact, there is even a Roman RPG on the 'Net; it's
called 'SPQR', and there are several Web sites devoted to it. But as
far as I know, no one has mistaken Nova Roma for an online role-playing
game.

Maybe it's the part about assuming a Roman identity that feels a little
RPG-ish to some people. Maybe it's the nature of interacting mostly on
the Internet, where, as the famous cartoon caption states, 'Nobody
knows you're a dog'--or whatever else you "really" are behind the
screen. Maybe it's the occasional reference to events 'IRL'--In Real
Life, where you supposedly are when you're not (a) gaming or (b) doing
things on the 'Net, such as e-mailing or chatting with your Nova Roman
friends. It could even be something as innocent as a line in my .sig
block (which is meant to be seen by gamers *and* Roman enthusiasts; I
am a member of both communities) which advertises that I do
'Role-Playing Games, too!'...or something as harmless (yet potentially
unsettling) as my habit of chatting under a male handle. (For various
reasons I do not like to be obviously-female in a chatroom.)

Or maybe it's the unspoken fear or doubt, as to whether most of our
Cives are taking this project seriously, that makes any of the other
'maybes' seem like a Major Big Deal.

Please, people, let's give such speculations a rest. We've been
unbelievably tense with each other lately, resembling nothing so much
as a pack of junkyard dogs walking bristly, stiff-legged little circles
around each other until the new members 'pass muster' and room has been
made for them in the pecking-order. This attitude is quite patently
offensive to the newbies and I'm not surprised that a few of them have
come close to leaving.

Yes, Nova Roma is changing as it grows. Each new Citizen brings
something different (and potentially priceless!) to the mix. We need
those differences, those new angles of approach, if we're going to
last. We can't afford to waste anybody, something I wish the ancient
Roman Senate had realized a couple hundred years before Emperor
Augustus had to realize it for them...then maybe they could have kept
their Republic. We are attempting to re-create--nay, to REBUILD the
best of the Roman world (and thank you, Antonius Graecus, for teaching
us the difference; anyone who hasn't read his Bulletin Board posting of
14 October, go do it now!); and this means, to me at least, that we are
free not to repeat our ancestors' mistakes.

Stiff necks and exclusivity have no place in Nova Roma. We need good
ideas, whether they come from RPGers, reenactors, sailors, Latinists,
engineers, the SCA, or a Webmaster's handbook. Anyone who says "Take
it as it is or go home" is doing us a disservice. The best magistrates
for the forseeable future will be those who know how to welcome new
elements, who can pool the various talents, interests and outlooks to
be found amongst our citizenry and create opportunities for them to be
put to use.

Yours under the Eagles...
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aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends

Subject:	Augurs
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:49:38 -0600 (CST)

Can either of our augurs explain to our general population exactly
what they are doing -- I thought this would make a really interesting
thread or are we still pretty much in the developement stage???

Gaius Drusus Domitianus