Subject:	Re: Hedonism
From:	michael marconi mdm8@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:07:01 -0500

Salvete!

If these messages are meant to be funny-- I failed to see the joke. But
if these messages are sincere than I honestly feel that Nova Roma should
have a separate mailing list & chat room for the sexual deviants and other
potential trouble makers. At least than 'we' could keep tabs as to were they
were, and at the same time keep the NORMAL mailing list open for meaningful
and descent dialogue.
Since the Gods are not setting any noticeable moral standards for the
citizens, unless they are acting indiscreetly, and what appears to be a lack
of interest amongst the general citizenry-- I have decided, with the help of
the divine logos, to add by distaste in these vial acts, and by doing so I
hope, with the help of others, to rid Nova Roma of the filth, perverted,
amoral, anti-community and loathsome creatures that might, and in all
probability will, harm the great intentions that the good citizens hope to
achieve.

Valete!
Lucius Marconius Romanus
Fortuna fortibus favet.







A. Iulia wrote:

> From: "A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
>
> > <<> without the desire and/or the want for restraint(s)
> >
> > Restraints? Dex (oh mighty bondage diva!), you field THIS one!>>
> >
> > Oh I have restraints! Wat'cha need girl? Arms? Legs? Collars? Dog
> > leashes? Chest harness? Gential harnesses? I have you...wat'cha
> need?
>
> hehe! Ye agreed to share right!!
>
> Ooooh!! Roll up! Roll Up!!
>
> > The official word from Olympus is: "Eat, Drink, and Be Merry! And
> take a
> > daily enema!"
>
> > --Dexippus : )
>
> Noct'a
> Official queen of all things tie-uppable,...etc
>
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Subject:	Re: Hedonism censorship
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:10:13 +0000

SFP55@-------- wrote:


First we are all adults.

Actually there are some younger people here as well,

Second if you are invoking the gods, you should know
> that they (at least the Greeks') are as debauched and perverted as they come.

I don't think of my Gods as debauched and perverted. There are many
stories told from many viewpoints
depending upon the religious (or lack of) motivations of the story
teller. Personally I look to Hesiod, and Aesop for guidance as too the
nature of the Gods.


Vale, Pythia

Subject:	Re: Filthy perverted loathsome anticommunity creature
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:08:19 -0600 (CST)

Was someone mentioning me?



Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: Hedonism
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:34:43 -0800

> Noct'a
>
> An alleged filthy, perverted, amoral, anti-community and loathsome
> creature
>

No....none of those words can be used to describe you. :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanis - elect

Subject:	Re: An Alleged etc etc.
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:01:35 EST

In a message dated 98-12-17 00:55:01 EST, you write:

<< An alleged filthy, perverted, amoral, anti-community and loathsome
creature >>
Salve A. Iulia Caesaria.

Alleged or not, we at NR love you the way you are.

Q Fabius.

Subject:	Re: Deus Sol Invictus
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:40:23 -0000

Salve Flavia Claudia!

>Besides, Elagabalus had the temerity to abduct a Vestal and force her
>into marriage, using as his excuse that the Vestals were married to the
>god Helios, i.e.: him. This alone would condemn the guy to eternal
>disapproval in my book. Not only did he dishonor a Vestal, but he used
>erroneous religious information to do it.
That' true. But then there were Aurelian, Diocletian, Licinus, Julian... Sol
Invictus has no fault of the erroneous actions of one Emperor...

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

-----Original Message-----
From: Claud----------------oon@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:22 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Deus Sol Invictus


>From: Claud----------------oon@--------
>
>SFP55@-------- wrote:
>>
>> From: SFP55@--------
>>
>> In a message dated 98-12-16 07:23:03 EST, you write:
>>
>> << Elagabalus (or Heliogabalus) >>
>> Oh Gods, Graecus. He's Empire, not Republic. And you want to add
another
>> perverted cult to Rome, after the fire we are under now? Can't we hold
off a
>> little? (You know what offering you place on the Black Stone, right?)
>
>Besides, Elagabalus had the temerity to abduct a Vestal and force her
>into marriage, using as his excuse that the Vestals were married to the
>god Helios, i.e.: him. This alone would condemn the guy to eternal
>disapproval in my book. Not only did he dishonor a Vestal, but he used
>erroneous religious information to do it.
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
>
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Subject:	STATEMENT OF ANTONIUS GRYLLUS ON THE ELECTION RESULTS
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:01:14 -0000

Salvete omnes!

The election results were both a defeat and a victory for me.

Firstly I'd like to thank all those who supported me during the campaign and
those who voted me. All of us will now respect and accept the people's
decision.

Secondly, I'd like to give my congratulation to all elected candidates, and
specially to my rival Tribune candidates Avidius Tullius Callidus and
Quintus Caecilius Metellus. I also give my congratulations to the newly
elected Consuls Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus and Decius Iunius Palladius. And
I wish the Gods to guide the new magistrates with their government during
the next year.

Although these results were a defeat of my ideas, I feel victorious for
having provided (in Roman fashion I think) the people of Nova Roma an
opportunity to choose. And I think that I helped creating that
differentiation which turns election results more clear as to the will of
the people.

As to the low results as Plebeian Aedile, I think they are a negative
reaction towards my campaign as Tribune of the Plebs. As such I will accept
being Plebeian Aedile of Nova Roma unless negative reaction is strongly
manifested, in which case I shall peacefully resign my office.

Ave Res Publica! Ave Roma!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)



-----Original Message-----
From: C--------us622@-------- C--------us622@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 5:00 AM
Subject: [novaroma] OFFICIAL NOVA ROMA VOTE RESULTS


>From: C--------us622@--------
>
>Salvete, Omnes,
>
>At last, the votes for the 1998 Nova Roma elections have been officially
>counted!
>The voter turnout was fairly low - out of 174 possible votes only 53
official
>votes were cast. An additional three votes had to be discounted due to
invalid
>voter codes. There were also 17 Citizens who did not receive voter codes as
>their Email addresses turned out to be inactive. The end result was
>comparable to that of a medium-low voter turnout in a U.S. election...
>
>In order of ballot listing, the election winners are:
>
>CONSULAR ELECTION:
>
>Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus - 42 votes
>
>Decius Iunius Palladius - 40 votes
>
>
>PRAETOR URBANIS ELECTION:
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla - 29 votes
>
>Marcus Mucius Scaevola Magister - 26 votes
>
>(Quinta Claudia Lucenta resigned from the race after the ballot had been
put
>up, she received a total of 30 votes anyway, and would have won had she
>remained in the race.)
>
>
>QUAESTOR ELECTION:
>
>Patricia Cassia - 45 votes
>
>Marcus Minucius Audens - 34 votes
>
>Stephanus Ullerius Venator - 37 votes
>
>
>TRIBUNE OF THE PLEBS ELECTION:
>
>Quintus Caecilius Metellus - 14 votes
>
>Avidius Tullius Callidius - 18 votes
>
>(Antonius Gryllus Graecus received 10 votes)
>
>
>PLEBIAN AEDILE ELECTION:
>
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus - 19 votes
>
>
>Many congratulations to our new Magistrates for the coming year! I am sure
>that all of them will work toward the benefit of Nova Roma! :) The elected
>candidates will officially take office on January 1, 1999.
>
>And finally, a brief commentary on the election turnout...
>
>The low voter turnout is not as surprising as it may at first seem. While
Nova
>Roma has over 180 registered Citizens at that point, that does not mean
that
>everyone registered is terribly active. (Also, something like 10 newer
>citizens joined after the "registration" deadline and did not receive voter
>codes.) Just like in "major" nations, there are people who are content to
be
>on the official rolls without being in the thick of things. There are only
>something less than 80 people subscribed to the Internet List for instance.
>There is in addition the possibility that the "election process woes" we
>suffered this year turned some Citizens away from participating. Next year
>we'll have more experience and will no doubt have a much more Civilized
>election season!
>
>Everyone who participated in this election, both candidates and voters,
should
>be proud. A Micronation of less than 200 people has taken on one of the
most
>complex and difficult election systems ever devised, and managed to survive
>it! :)
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>Consul
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	Re: STATEMENT OF ANTONIUS GRYLLUS ON THE ELECTION RESULTS
From:	Cassius622@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:02:03 EST

In a message dated 12/17/98 5:55:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
amg@-------- writes:

<< As to the low results as Plebeian Aedile, I think they are a negative
reaction towards my campaign as Tribune of the Plebs. As such I will accept
being Plebeian Aedile of Nova Roma unless negative reaction is strongly
manifested, in which case I shall peacefully resign my office.
>>

I hope you don't mind my replying to this publically, Graecus, but your votes
for Plebian Aedile were NOT low. Quite the reverse. Remember that only a
segment of the 53 voters were allowed to vote in the Plebian Aedile race.
Statistically you did better in the Aedile vote than anyone did in the Tribune
of the Plebs vote.

You seemed to have interesting ideas for the Aedileship, and I hope that now
the "campaign stuff" is over I'm sure you'll settle into the office position
and do well!

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

Subject:	Re: Hedonism
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:38:39 -0800

> Noct'a
> An alleged filthy, perverted, amoral, anti-community and loathsome
> creature

Hey, three out of five is still a majority for the laudable attributes!

C. Aelius Ericius
Praetor of California

Subject:	Re: Graecus!
From:	Claudia missmoon@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:56:22 -0500

Antonio Grilo wrote:
>
> From: "Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> The election results were both a defeat and a victory for me.
>
> Firstly I'd like to thank all those who supported me during the campaign and
> those who voted me. All of us will now respect and accept the people's
> decision.
>
> Secondly, I'd like to give my congratulation to all elected candidates, and
> specially to my rival Tribune candidates Avidius Tullius Callidus and
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus. I also give my congratulations to the newly
> elected Consuls Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus and Decius Iunius Palladius. And
> I wish the Gods to guide the new magistrates with their government during
> the next year.
>
> Although these results were a defeat of my ideas, I feel victorious for
> having provided (in Roman fashion I think) the people of Nova Roma an
> opportunity to choose. And I think that I helped creating that
> differentiation which turns election results more clear as to the will of
> the people.
>
> As to the low results as Plebeian Aedile, I think they are a negative
> reaction towards my campaign as Tribune of the Plebs. As such I will accept
> being Plebeian Aedile of Nova Roma unless negative reaction is strongly
> manifested, in which case I shall peacefully resign my office.

>
Graecus! That's not true! There was a low vote for Plebeian Aedile
because there aren't that many Plebs and the voter turnout was low in
the first place. The highest votes for Trib Pleb was only 18 or 19.
Apparently people thought you'd make a good Pleb Aedile. This happens
when you run for more than one office. You'll make a good Plebeian
Aedile and you've proven yourself willing to speak up and to put
yourself forth as a candidate. I don't understand why you're
disappointed -- you got a very good percentage of votes for Pleb Aedile
and even managed to get 10 more for Trib Pleb. Don't you WANT the
office? Do you think it isn't as important as Trib Pleb?

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Graecus!
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:28:25 -0000

Salvete omnes!

Indeed it is quite right. I checked it again and my results for Plebeian
Aedile are not low at all. As such I will fill the office wilingly and will
work to institute the Games of Nova Roma. I have already some support and
people giving me good ideas, specially Q. Fabius Maximus.

Valete omnes!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)


-----Original Message-----
From: Claud----------------oon@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 3:59 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Graecus!


>From: Claud----------------oon@--------
>
>Antonio Grilo wrote:
>>
>> From: "Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
>>
>> Salvete omnes!
>>
>> The election results were both a defeat and a victory for me.
>>
>> Firstly I'd like to thank all those who supported me during the campaign
and
>> those who voted me. All of us will now respect and accept the people's
>> decision.
>>
>> Secondly, I'd like to give my congratulation to all elected candidates,
and
>> specially to my rival Tribune candidates Avidius Tullius Callidus and
>> Quintus Caecilius Metellus. I also give my congratulations to the newly
>> elected Consuls Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus and Decius Iunius Palladius.
And
>> I wish the Gods to guide the new magistrates with their government during
>> the next year.
>>
>> Although these results were a defeat of my ideas, I feel victorious for
>> having provided (in Roman fashion I think) the people of Nova Roma an
>> opportunity to choose. And I think that I helped creating that
>> differentiation which turns election results more clear as to the will of
>> the people.
>>
>> As to the low results as Plebeian Aedile, I think they are a negative
>> reaction towards my campaign as Tribune of the Plebs. As such I will
accept
>> being Plebeian Aedile of Nova Roma unless negative reaction is strongly
>> manifested, in which case I shall peacefully resign my office.
>
>>
>Graecus! That's not true! There was a low vote for Plebeian Aedile
>because there aren't that many Plebs and the voter turnout was low in
>the first place. The highest votes for Trib Pleb was only 18 or 19.
>Apparently people thought you'd make a good Pleb Aedile. This happens
>when you run for more than one office. You'll make a good Plebeian
>Aedile and you've proven yourself willing to speak up and to put
>yourself forth as a candidate. I don't understand why you're
>disappointed -- you got a very good percentage of votes for Pleb Aedile
>and even managed to get 10 more for Trib Pleb. Don't you WANT the
>office? Do you think it isn't as important as Trib Pleb?
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
>
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Subject:	Terrys Saturnalia (The Beginning)
From:	Mater2Two@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:25:49 EST

Salvete Romans and Parents,

You'll have to forgive me, but this is really the first Saturnalia that I have
either *cared* about or been allowed to do what I wanted for the Saturnalia
(last year Terry and I were living with my mother, who didn't allow me to have
a Saturnalia and previous years I really didn't care about anything) and so I
am just so excited I am probably going to go nuts and share every minute of
the next week with you all. OK....I'll just basically share this morning and
try not to give the gory details of the next 7 days <G>.

Last night I got things ready for this first Saturnalia morning. I gave the
house special attention in cleaning (which Lapis didn't appreciate one bit,
kicking me until 3am -- guess I overdid it again -- there's a shock) and went
into the kids (I think of it as 'their' room, even though Lapis will not be
born until February and both of them will be sleeping with me, for a while
anyway) playroom closet to pick out the gift she would get this morniing. I
decided on her dry erase board and markers from me and the puzzle book my
mother sent for her (my mom and I get along much better now that we don't live
together, and she agreed that since she went nuts with Christmas presents, I
could give Terry one or two during the course of Saturnalia, so she wouldn't
be overwhelmed come December 25th -- I already took the nice 'mixed' doll and
set it aside for February so Terry will have her own baby when I bring home
*our* baby -- they don't have interracial dollies here).

I put the board and the markers out, kept the puzzle book apart, so she
wouldn't get overwhelmed and tried to sleep. Terry woke me at 8:00 with her
usual happy talk and demands for juice. She got out of bed and drank and
wandered into the living room, where she discovered her present. She drew on
the board and herself (I showed her how to draw on the board, she showed
herself the other) while I got showered and dressed (I only got one marker
thrown into the shower with me <G>). I brought out the puzzle book, and
showed her how it worked. She is having the time of her little life!!!, which
is all the gift I could ever want!!

Me? I am celebrating with gormet coffee every morning (Hazelnut), and
endulging in Venators Mulling (which Terry loves -- it's great cold as well as
hot) and all manner of little treats. YES, I'm gonna share with Terry (like
she'd let me be selfish <G>), but she ain't gettin my coffee!!!! I think that
would make her entirely too happy and I'm too short to peel her off of the
cieling <G>.

Breakfast was eggs (I thought it appropriate), and I will try to find neat
things to put in them all week.

I am not holding my breath waiting for the promised holiday money from Terrys
father (I have this thing against suffocation....sue me). *I* have guaranteed
my Terry a wonderful Saturnalia season and that is all that matters! I'm so
glad this is working out!! Terrys year has been so difficult, it was somehow
important I give her a very special Saturnalia. We aren't rich, but I wanted
*her* to feel rich, if only for one week. She feels loved every day, I make
sure of it!

Thanks for letting me share and vent. Tomorrow we visit the seniors at the
Senior Center and I'll probably share that. I won't harrass the lists with
the details of Terrys Saturnalia, but I just *had* to share this first day.
Anytime I manage to get all choked up by 'these good tears', I feel the need
to share the wealth.

Bona Saturnalia (or is it Io??)

Crys (one very happy mommy, if only for this week)

Subject:	Fw: Election Thanks and Saturnalia
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:59:48 -0500

-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius v--------l@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:07 AM
Subject: Election Thanks and Saturnalia


Drat! I tried to send a movie file but it was too big for the listserver and was kicked back!
If anyone is interested let me know, it is a Porky Pig animation that is pretty funny.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tracy caf--------ait@--------
To: v--------l@-------- v--------l@--------
Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 9:40 PM
Subject: Porky Pig


Salvete quirites
I would like to that all the 'cives' who voted for participating. I hope that the next year will, with the help of the Gods, be even better for us all. I wish the best of Fortuna to all my fellow magistrates. I want to thank Antonius Gryllus Graecus for his graceful words and well wishes, we should all be thankful for having citizens like him. Also, I give thanks for the tireless work of Marcus Cassius Iulianus, Patricia Cassia and Flavia Claudia Juliana.

Mille Gratius tibi ago, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

NUNC, IO SATURNALIA!!!
Plus vinum omnibus!

Subject:	Re: OFFICIAL NOVA ROMA VOTE RESULTS
From:
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:24:44 EST

Congratulations to all the newly elected Magistrates!

I look forward to working with you in the new calendar year!

Damianus Lucianus Dexippus
Augur, Nova Roma

Subject:	Re: Hedonism
From:
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:26:24 EST

In a message dated 98-12-17 00:54:50 EST, you write:

<<
If ye don't like, delete! >>


You tell 'em Nocta!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Graecus!
From:
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:31:26 EST

In a message dated 98-12-17 11:23:16 EST, you write:

<< Indeed it is quite right. I checked it again and my results for Plebeian
Aedile are not low at all. As such I will fill the office wilingly and will
work to institute the Games of Nova Roma. I have already some support and
people giving me good ideas, specially Q. Fabius Maximus.
>>

Huzzah! Can't wait to see the games! Pudding Wrestling Lives!

--Dexippus : )

Subject:	Re: STATEMENT OF ANTONIUS GRYLLUS ON THE ELECTION RESULTS
From:
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:29:08 EST

In a message dated 98-12-17 05:55:46 EST, you write:

<< As to the low results as Plebeian Aedile, I think they are a negative
reaction towards my campaign as Tribune of the Plebs. As such I will accept
being Plebeian Aedile of Nova Roma unless negative reaction is strongly
manifested, in which case I shall peacefully resign my office. >>


Oh stop this foolishness right now before I have to come out there and bitch
slap ya!

No one wants you to resign the office of Plebeian Aedile. Perhaps your defeat
in the office of Tribune was a result of the campaign you lead. Take it as a
learning experience and try again next time.

Congrats on your new office!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Election to Quaestor
From:	jmath669642reng@-------- (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:49:02 -0500 (EST)

Greetings fellow Nova Romans:

I have been much taken up by the events of the last two days and the
Election Results were somewhat of a surprise to me. I thought the
confirmation might take a little longer.

I must make some sincere thankyous for this victory and surprising
success. I wish to thank all present officers of Nova Roma for their
extremely kind acceptance and assistance in the three monhs since I
became a member of the organization. Most especially to the Senior
Consul who has guided me, and in in the midst of his busiest period has
found the time to answer questions and advise me in a variety of areas.

I wish also to thank those among you who disagree with me in some
things, in that through your insights I continue to grow. We can agree
to disagree and that to my thinking is a reall step forward.

My fellow candidates to which I also extend my hand in friendship and
pledge my assistance in whatever way I may be of Service. Special thank
you to my very good friend Venator who has shared many philsophies over
a virtual pitcher of Falaernian ( I am waiting in rapt anticipation of
the real thing!!!) and to Sulla who has discussed freely with me his
political ideas to this novice (much appreciated my friend).

I, like my fellow candidate Venator, will contine to lobby for an
organization of a sodalicum, in my case a military one for the study of
the Republican and Empire Roman Forces in history, and continue my
efforts in planning and executing a web site for the sale of items
relating to military archetechture and topography. Meanwhile I continue
my studies in Roman Engineering, Politics and Religion, of which your
list comments are a large segment.

Lastly to my constituents who have supported me with your votes and
encouragements, I salute you!!! I am in no little way extremely
impressed by your acceptance as both a newcomber and as a student of
Roman ways. I pledge to you a willing ear and a forwarding voice to
your concerns. I cannot guarantee the ultimate desired disposition, of
course, but I can and do guarantee that you will have my ear and voice
at your demand, and a record of the administration of that demand at
your fingertips, so to speak. I thank you all for your support and for
your kind words and most of all for your faith in me to do what is best
for you and for Nova Roma

I thank you for your patience and attention to this rather long but most
sincere list of appreciation and thankyous.

I wish you all the various joys of your Saturnalia and extend to you my
very best wishes and hopes for all of you in this Joyous Season now upon
us!!!

Your Most Humble and Obedient Servant;

Marcus Minuccius Audens
Quaestor-Elect
Military Tribune

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Tree in the house/Yule/Saturnalia...
From:	Mia Soderquist tuozine@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:24:34 -0800 (PST)

It may be a little tacky, but there's not a bit of wood in our tree...
It's all plastic and metal. I figure if it lasts as long as the tree
my parents had when I was growing up (about 20 years), then the
overall environmental impact is pretty minute, and I will have avoided
20 years of cleaning up pine needles and feeling bad for having wasted
a perfectly good tree that was perfectly happy on the Christmas tree
farm.

We've decorated everything in red and gold, since we pretty much
celebrate this as a strictly and directly solar holiday. We have a
gold star at the top of our tree-wannabe, but we reason that the sun
is, after all, a star, and it was a good $5 cheaper than the
sunburst-style tree topper. It all seems to fit nicely into the
Saturnalia theme too, according to what I have read on this list,
which is a good thing.

My husband is all in favor of getting some wine and starting
Saturnalia out on the right foot... I am more in favor of him taking
me out to a restaurant. :)

I like your yule log idea. I was thinking of making a yule log cake to
take the place of a REAL log, but I am a little intimidated by roll
cakes. We'll see how it goes. (If worse comes to worse, I'll mix the
cake crumbs with chocolate pudding and call it "mud", though it might
be hard to get any Yule or Saturnalia or other December holiday
symbolism out of that...)


Mia

---Dexippus@-------- wrote:

>
> I forgoe the tree...can't seem to get myself to bring a dying tree
in the
> house. As I watch everyone tie them onto the roofs of their cars
lately, they
> all seem like dead corpses. So I would usually buy a potted pine
and decorate
> it and keep it alive until the thaw and then plant it in the woods,
but they
> don't seem to take well there either.
>
> So this year I went to one of the Tree Butcheries and asked for one
of the
> trunks they may have cut off to size it for the picky families.
It's a nice
> size log. So I brough it home and placed it on a bed of pine
branches (also
> taken from the butchery). I adheared three candles to the log (one
white, one
> red, and one green) to symbolize the cycle of life, death, and
rebirth. I
> decorated the log and branches with red beads and lights. It's
rather pretty.

<snippage>

Subject:	Re: Tree in the house/Yule/Saturnalia...
From:
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:44:56 EST

In a message dated 12/17/98 2:20:39 PM Central Standard Time,
tuozine@-------- writes:

> I like your yule log idea. I was thinking of making a yule log cake to
> take the place of a REAL log, but I am a little intimidated by roll
> cakes.

Bake the cake in coffee cans, then, and slice it lengthwise to fill with
fruits or frosting, then join several for however long a log you want and
frost it like a log. No mess with rolling it, and worrying about the crumb
being either too tender or too tough to roll right.

Secunda Floria Zonara
Who often cheats to achieve spectacular results in cookery.....

Subject:	Re: STATEMENT OF ANTONIUS GRYLLUS ON THE ELECTION RESULTS
From:
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:47:02 EST

In a message dated 98-12-17 14:47:47 EST, you write:

<< << As to the low results as Plebeian Aedile, I think they are a negative
reaction towards my campaign as Tribune of the Plebs. As such I will accept
being Plebeian Aedile of Nova Roma unless negative reaction is strongly
manifested, in which case I shall peacefully resign my office. >>


Oh stop this foolishness right now before I have to come out there and bitch
slap ya! >>


Took the words right outta my mouth hon!!!!

Crys (well, at least ONE person waited until they got elected to drop outta
the race.....LOL)

Subject:	Re: Tree in the house/Yule/Saturnalia...
From:
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:46:55 EST

In a message dated 98-12-17 15:20:46 EST, you write:

<< From: Mia Soderquist tuozine@--------

It may be a little tacky, but there's not a bit of wood in our tree...
It's all plastic and metal. I figure if it lasts as long as the tree
my parents had when I was growing up (about 20 years), then the
overall environmental impact is pretty minute, and I will have avoided
20 years of cleaning up pine needles and feeling bad for having wasted
a perfectly good tree that was perfectly happy on the Christmas tree
farm.


<snippy, snippy>


I like your yule log idea. I was thinking of making a yule log cake to
take the place of a REAL log, but I am a little intimidated by roll
cakes. We'll see how it goes. (If worse comes to worse, I'll mix the
cake crumbs with chocolate pudding and call it "mud", though it might
be hard to get any Yule or Saturnalia or other December holiday
symbolism out of that...)


Mia >>


I think all your ideas are cool!! We have no tree, wanna-be or other (I had
visions of someone, who shall remain Terry, pulling it down and/or apart
before my very eyes), and I so wanted to bake this year, but I cannot stand
for more than 5 minutes anymore, so I have <oh the shame!!!> gone and bought a
sugar cookie mix and frosting and red and green sprinklies and I will bake a
few cookies every day. I, too am intimidated by roll cakes. If ya wind up
with Yule mud, tell everyone you got even closer to the earth and made the
gunk found UNDER the log (so THERE!!!)!!!

Our day continues to go well. *I* even got a surprise or two in the mail -- a
book from a friend on another list and my little brass potpourii burner!!!
And I gave in to temptation and ordered The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings
complete and Unabridged on CD from my audiobook club (I'll worry about paying
them at a later date -- February sounds good, March sounds better).

I am now off to save Winnie the Pooh from a purple face!!!

Crys (this mommy thing is so great!!!!)

Subject:	Re: Election to Quaestor
From:
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:47:00 EST

In a message dated 98-12-17 14:49:09 EST, you write:

<< I, like my fellow candidate Venator, will contine to lobby for an
organization of a sodalicum, in my case a military one for the study of
the Republican and Empire Roman Forces in history, and continue my
efforts in planning and executing a web site for the sale of items
relating to military archetechture and topography >>

I want to congratulate everyone on the election (best Saturnalia gift anyone
could have given NR -- the end of the election)!!!!!

:::::::::waving virtual business cards at Audens and Venator:::::::: You guys
decide you need someone to build your sites.....I'm a pretty cheap date as far
as web building goes........

Crys (ashamed at her shameless attempt to gain business)

Subject:	Business Site
From:	jmath669642reng@-------- (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:44:43 -0500 (EST)

I have given up on getting my son to send the codes for my site to be
corrected. (i'll beat it out of him the next time I see him-God this
fatherhood stuff is so geat!!!!---Just kidding (-: (-:).

To business, I am interested in your designing a business site for me to
sell papyrus maps and pictures. Later I will probably add models, ship
data, etc.to the site. Like the site outline for the sale of period
jewelry on our NR website. I have three papyrus maps and one bridge
picture finished that can be displayed.

I do not wish to take you on a "cheap date", however, a well-designed
sales web-site would be worth several cheap dates to.me!!

I need to know your requirements for site outline and set-up and a
ball-park figure for a requested fee. On your acceptance of this offer
I will mail a $40.00 agreement fee to seal the bargain, and you can
begin work. I warn you that my skills in Internet HTML are vitually
nil, but from "surfing the net" I know what I like. I think that the
site will be successful as I have had several promises to link the site
when I am finished. The site should also have available space for
offering French and Indian, American Revolution and American Civil War
maps, hard copy battle descriptions and tape descriptions. I have some
other ideas in mind, bt they are as yet, not fully developed. I want to
offer Nova Roma 15% of the proceeds of the sale site, so that will be
part of the pitch. I can have the required maps / pictures scanned into
a disk if you will tell me what mode of software you require.

Although this is a contract offer and not a gift you may consider this
my donation to your Saturnalia for your family. I wish you the very
best from my world to yours, and it is my belief that the light that
shines upon my religious altar shines also upon yours in just a slightly
different light. I hope some day to be able to make both yours and your
chidren's aquaintaince, in person, and hopefully someday to see you on
the field at a Roman Event / Festival. Please forward also my Best
Respects to your honorable "husband and co-conspitator" and hope that
your "union" may be long and favorable. Finally please accept my thanks
and appreciation for your friendship and support in these last very few
months and it is my hope also that those delightful prospects will
continue in following years.

Your Most Humble and Obedient Servant;

Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor-Elect
Military Tribune

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Terrys Saturnalia (The Beginning)
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:22:45 -0500

Salve Crys,
You are truly a beautiful person, and I am very pleased to be a part of
Nova Roma where there are people such as yourself. You are one of the best
mothers I have come across. Someday I hope to be as kind and selfless of a
mother as you are.
May Ceres give you all of her maternal blessings.

Vale,
Orbianna

At 11:25 17/12/98 EST, you wrote:
>From: M--------2Two@--------
>
>Salvete Romans and Parents,
>
>You'll have to forgive me, but this is really the first Saturnalia that I
have
>either *cared* about or been allowed to do what I wanted for the Saturnalia
>(last year Terry and I were living with my mother, who didn't allow me to
have
>a Saturnalia and previous years I really didn't care about anything) and so I
>am just so excited I am probably going to go nuts and share every minute of
>the next week with you all. OK....I'll just basically share this morning and
>try not to give the gory details of the next 7 days <G>.
>
>Last night I got things ready for this first Saturnalia morning. I gave the
>house special attention in cleaning (which Lapis didn't appreciate one bit,
>kicking me until 3am -- guess I overdid it again -- there's a shock) and went
>into the kids (I think of it as 'their' room, even though Lapis will not be
>born until February and both of them will be sleeping with me, for a while
>anyway) playroom closet to pick out the gift she would get this morniing. I
>decided on her dry erase board and markers from me and the puzzle book my
>mother sent for her (my mom and I get along much better now that we don't
live
>together, and she agreed that since she went nuts with Christmas presents, I
>could give Terry one or two during the course of Saturnalia, so she wouldn't
>be overwhelmed come December 25th -- I already took the nice 'mixed' doll and
>set it aside for February so Terry will have her own baby when I bring home
>*our* baby -- they don't have interracial dollies here).
>
>I put the board and the markers out, kept the puzzle book apart, so she
>wouldn't get overwhelmed and tried to sleep. Terry woke me at 8:00 with her
>usual happy talk and demands for juice. She got out of bed and drank and
>wandered into the living room, where she discovered her present. She drew on
>the board and herself (I showed her how to draw on the board, she showed
>herself the other) while I got showered and dressed (I only got one marker
>thrown into the shower with me <G>). I brought out the puzzle book, and
>showed her how it worked. She is having the time of her little life!!!,
which
>is all the gift I could ever want!!
>
>Me? I am celebrating with gormet coffee every morning (Hazelnut), and
>endulging in Venators Mulling (which Terry loves -- it's great cold as
well as
>hot) and all manner of little treats. YES, I'm gonna share with Terry (like
>she'd let me be selfish <G>), but she ain't gettin my coffee!!!! I think
that
>would make her entirely too happy and I'm too short to peel her off of the
>cieling <G>.
>
>Breakfast was eggs (I thought it appropriate), and I will try to find neat
>things to put in them all week.
>
>I am not holding my breath waiting for the promised holiday money from Terrys
>father (I have this thing against suffocation....sue me). *I* have
guaranteed
>my Terry a wonderful Saturnalia season and that is all that matters! I'm so
>glad this is working out!! Terrys year has been so difficult, it was somehow
>important I give her a very special Saturnalia. We aren't rich, but I wanted
>*her* to feel rich, if only for one week. She feels loved every day, I make
>sure of it!
>
>Thanks for letting me share and vent. Tomorrow we visit the seniors at the
>Senior Center and I'll probably share that. I won't harrass the lists with
>the details of Terrys Saturnalia, but I just *had* to share this first day.
>Anytime I manage to get all choked up by 'these good tears', I feel the need
>to share the wealth.
>
>Bona Saturnalia (or is it Io??)
>
>Crys (one very happy mommy, if only for this week)
>
>
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Iustina Luciania Orbianna
orbianna@--------

proserpina@--------
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/soho/studios/7401" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/soho/studios/7401</a>
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"Scientia est potentia." -Francis Bacon

"Christianos ad leonem!" -Tertullian

Subject:	The EIMF
From:	SDmtwi@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:15:20 EST

Salvete,
A friend of mine sent this to me recently, and, in light of our recent
conversation about pagan nomenclature, I thought I'd share it.

The 12 Days of the Eurocentrically Imposed Midwinter Festival
(Author: Unknown)
***************************************************
On the 12th day of the Eurocentrically Imposed Midwinter Festival, my
potential-acquaintance-rape-survivor gave to me:

Twelve males reclaiming their inner warrior through ritual drumming

Eleven pipers piping (plus the 18-member pit orchestra made up of members in
good standing of the Musicians Equity Union as called for in their union
contract even though they will not be asked to play a note)

Ten melanin-deprived testosterone-poisoned scions of the patriarchal ruling
class system leaping

Nine persons engaged in rhythmic self-expression

Eight economically disadvantaged female persons stealing milk-products from
enslaved Bovine-Americans

Seven endangered swans swimming on federally protected wetlands

Six enslaved fowl-Americans producing stolen non-human animal products

Five golden symbols of culturally sanctioned enforced domestic incarceration

(NOTE: after a member of the Animal Liberation Front threatened to throw red
paint at my computer, the calling birds, French hens and partridge have been
reintroduced to their native habitat. To avoid further animal-American
enslavement, the remaining gift package has been revised)

Four hours of recorded whale songs

Three deconstructionist poets

Two Sierra Club calendars printed on recycled processed tree carcasses

and a Spotted Owl activist chained to an old-growth pear tree!

Valete,
T. Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	Re: An Alleged etc etc.
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:50:04 -0800 (PST)

> << An alleged filthy, perverted, amoral, anti-community and loathsome
> creature >>
> Salve A. Iulia Caesaria.
>
> Alleged or not, we at NR love you the way you are.

Why thank you amicus mihi :)

> Q Fabius.

Noct'a

Subject:	Re: Saturnalia Practices and Traditions
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:15:57 -0800 (PST)

> << Oh
> and I'm trying to work in an Orgy! Yeah...so get over it you
prudes! (you
> know who you are). : )

Oh I am on my way!
Stop the plane, I'm gettin on!

>
> --Dexippus >>
Where is it?
*Tongue hangin out like the filthy pervert she is*

Noct'a

Subject:	sick puppy
From:	Claudia missmoon@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:51:06 -0500

Someone on the Horror Writers' List posted this question. We're much
better equipped than those guys to answer this. Anyone have a
translation? All I can think of is "canis" something or other...

>
> What would be the Latin for "sick puppy?" I believe that several people on
> the list have some Latin, so I thought I'd ask here.


-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Terrys Saturnalia (The Beginning)
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:53:23 -0800 (PST)

>
> Salvete Romans and Parents,
>
> You'll have to forgive me, but this is really the first Saturnalia
that I have
> either *cared* about or been allowed to do what I wanted for the
Saturnalia
> (last year Terry and I were living with my mother, who didn't allow
me to have
> a Saturnalia and previous years I really didn't care about anything)
and so I
> am just so excited I am probably going to go nuts and share every
minute of
> the next week with you all. OK....I'll just basically share this
morning and
> try not to give the gory details of the next 7 days <G>.
>
> Last night I got things ready for this first Saturnalia morning. I
gave the
> house special attention in cleaning (which Lapis didn't appreciate
one bit,
> kicking me until 3am -- guess I overdid it again -- there's a shock)
and went
> into the kids (I think of it as 'their' room, even though Lapis will
not be
> born until February and both of them will be sleeping with me, for a
while
> anyway) playroom closet to pick out the gift she would get this
morniing. I
> decided on her dry erase board and markers from me and the puzzle
book my
> mother sent for her (my mom and I get along much better now that we
don't live
> together, and she agreed that since she went nuts with Christmas
presents, I
> could give Terry one or two during the course of Saturnalia, so she
wouldn't
> be overwhelmed come December 25th -- I already took the nice 'mixed'
doll and
> set it aside for February so Terry will have her own baby when I
bring home
> *our* baby -- they don't have interracial dollies here).
>
> I put the board and the markers out, kept the puzzle book apart, so
she
> wouldn't get overwhelmed and tried to sleep. Terry woke me at 8:00
with her
> usual happy talk and demands for juice. She got out of bed and
drank and
> wandered into the living room, where she discovered her present.
She drew on
> the board and herself (I showed her how to draw on the board, she
showed
> herself the other) while I got showered and dressed (I only got one
marker
> thrown into the shower with me <G>). I brought out the puzzle book,
and
> showed her how it worked. She is having the time of her little
life!!!, which
> is all the gift I could ever want!!
>
> Me? I am celebrating with gormet coffee every morning (Hazelnut), and
> endulging in Venators Mulling (which Terry loves -- it's great cold
as well as
> hot) and all manner of little treats. YES, I'm gonna share with
Terry (like
> she'd let me be selfish <G>), but she ain't gettin my coffee!!!! I
think that
> would make her entirely too happy and I'm too short to peel her off
of the
> cieling <G>.
>
> Breakfast was eggs (I thought it appropriate), and I will try to
find neat
> things to put in them all week.
>
> I am not holding my breath waiting for the promised holiday money
from Terrys
> father (I have this thing against suffocation....sue me). *I* have
guaranteed
> my Terry a wonderful Saturnalia season and that is all that matters!
I'm so
> glad this is working out!! Terrys year has been so difficult, it
was somehow
> important I give her a very special Saturnalia. We aren't rich, but
I wanted
> *her* to feel rich, if only for one week. She feels loved every
day, I make
> sure of it!
>
> Thanks for letting me share and vent. Tomorrow we visit the seniors
at the
> Senior Center and I'll probably share that. I won't harrass the
lists with
> the details of Terrys Saturnalia, but I just *had* to share this
first day.
> Anytime I manage to get all choked up by 'these good tears', I feel
the need
> to share the wealth.
>
> Bona Saturnalia (or is it Io??)
>
> Crys (one very happy mommy, if only for this week)


Please, please share all!!!

This is SO sweet, I hope that you and Terry (and Lapis!) have a
wonderful Saturnalia!

Noct'a

Subject:	Re: Hedonism
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:41:59 -0800 (PST)

> > Noct'a
> >
> > An alleged filthy, perverted, amoral, anti-community and loathsome
> > creature
> >
>
> No....none of those words can be used to describe you. :)

Thank you :)


> Lucius Cornelius Sulla
> Praetor Urbanis - elect


Congrats!!

Noct'a
Evidently not filthy, perverted, amoral, anti-community and a
loathsome creature

Subject:	Re: sick puppy
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:28:45 -0500

>Someone on the Horror Writers' List posted this question. We're much
>better equipped than those guys to answer this. Anyone have a
>translation? All I can think of is "canis" something or other...
>>
>> What would be the Latin for "sick puppy?" I believe that several people
on
>> the list have some Latin, so I thought I'd ask here.


Salvete,

Aeger canis, sick dog; Aeger canillus, sick (little)dog.

I was able to fine the Diminutive (which I had forgotten) in A Students
Latin Grammar. A wonderful book for latin study/refresher ISBN 0-521-38587-3

Valete, L Equitius

Subject:	Re: Graecus!
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:07:08 -0800 (PST)

>
> In a message dated 98-12-17 11:23:16 EST, you write:
>
> << Indeed it is quite right. I checked it again and my results for
Plebeian
> Aedile are not low at all. As such I will fill the office wilingly
and will
> work to institute the Games of Nova Roma. I have already some
support and
> people giving me good ideas, specially Q. Fabius Maximus.
> >>

Congrats Gryllus!


>
> Huzzah! Can't wait to see the games! Pudding Wrestling Lives!

Oh yes!!!!
Gryllus, all ye need is Venii, and some mad quirites! I qualify!! LOL


> --Dexippus : )
>
Noct'a
A mad pudding wrestler!

Subject:	Re: Tree in the house/Yule/Saturnalia...
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:03:54 -0800 (PST)

> I think all your ideas are cool!! We have no tree, wanna-be or
other (I had
> visions of someone, who shall remain Terry, pulling it down and/or
apart
> before my very eyes), and I so wanted to bake this year, but I
cannot stand
> for more than 5 minutes anymore, so I have <oh the shame!!!> gone
and bought a
> sugar cookie mix and frosting and red and green sprinklies and I
will bake a
> few cookies every day. I, too am intimidated by roll cakes. If ya
wind up
> with Yule mud, tell everyone you got even closer to the earth and
made the
> gunk found UNDER the log (so THERE!!!)!!!
>
> Our day continues to go well. *I* even got a surprise or two in the
mail -- a
> book from a friend on another list and my little brass potpourii
burner!!!
> And I gave in to temptation and ordered The Hobbit and The Lord of
the Rings
> complete and Unabridged on CD from my audiobook club (I'll worry
about paying
> them at a later date -- February sounds good, March sounds better).
>
> I am now off to save Winnie the Pooh from a purple face!!!


hehe I know what ye mean about little ones and Xmas/Yuletide/etc. trees!
I have 3 kitties!!!!
One of whom is VERY mischievous and one of whom is brain-damaged and
has trouvle with her back legs.
OUr tree won't stand for more than 5 minutes! LOL


Sorry had to share!

> Crys (this mommy thing is so great!!!!)

Noct'a

Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Hedonism
From:	michael marconi mdm8@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:07:01 -0500

Salvete!

If these messages are meant to be funny-- I failed to see the joke.
But
if these messages are sincere than I honestly feel that Nova Roma should
have a separate mailing list & chat room for the sexual deviants and
other
potential trouble makers. At least than 'we' could keep tabs as to were
they
were, and at the same time keep the NORMAL mailing list open for
meaningful
and descent dialogue.
Since the Gods are not setting any noticeable moral standards for the
citizens, unless they are acting indiscreetly, and what appears to be a
lack
of interest amongst the general citizenry-- I have decided, with the
help of
the divine logos, to add by distaste in these vial acts, and by doing so
I
hope, with the help of others, to rid Nova Roma of the filth, perverted,
amoral, anti-community and loathsome creatures that might, and in all
probability will, harm the great intentions that the good citizens hope
to
achieve.

Valete!
Lucius Marconius Romanus
Fortuna fortibus favet.







A. Iulia wrote:

> From: "A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
>
> > <<> without the desire and/or the want for restraint(s)
> >
> > Restraints? Dex (oh mighty bondage diva!), you field THIS one!>>
> >
> > Oh I have restraints! Wat'cha need girl? Arms? Legs? Collars?
Dog
> > leashes? Chest harness? Gential harnesses? I have you...wat'cha
> need?
>
> hehe! Ye agreed to share right!!
>
> Ooooh!! Roll up! Roll Up!!
>
> > The official word from Olympus is: "Eat, Drink, and Be Merry! And
> take a
> > daily enema!"
>
> > --Dexippus : )
>
> Noct'a
> Official queen of all things tie-uppable,...etc
>
>
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Subject:	Prezzy for Dex!!
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:33:10 -0800 (PST)

Salve Dex et al!


OK this is really for you, Dex, but anyone can look.
A special prezzy for you for the carols!

<a href="http://paganwiccan.miningco.com/mlibrary.htm" target="_top" >http://paganwiccan.miningco.com/mlibrary.htm</a>

Have a good time!

Noct'a

Wishin she could get to the US in time :(