Subject:	Re: Hedonism
From:	michael marconi mdm8@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:40:54 -0500

Salvete!

Yes! The Western part of the empire had fallen but not on account of
christianity. And, don't forget about the legacy of the Eastern Roman Empire,
Byzantine Empire, that not only survived but flourished , under Christianity, for
well over 1000 years.

Valete
Lucius Marconius Romanus



Diana/Orbianna wrote:

> From: Diana/Orbianna --------er--------@--------
>
> Salvete,
> And if I recall correctly, Rome fell *after* it become Christian Rome.
> Surely that is an insult to the gods.
>
> Valete!
> Orbianna
>
> At 03:55 18/12/98 GMT, you wrote:
> >From: "Patrick Dunn" saevvs@--------
> >If the gods ever lost favor, it was because the Romans stopped making
> >the appropriate offerings. I don't think the gods ever lost favor -- I
> >think Rome lost the gods, not vice versa.
> >
> >Again, you mischaracterize hedonism.
> >
> >--Patrick
>
> Iustina Luciania Orbianna
&--------orbianna@--------
>
> proserpina@--------
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Subject:	Re: Efharisto Megas
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:44:46 +0000

Gaius Marius Merullus wrote:
>
> From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
>
> Salvete omnes
>
> My Latin is ok but Greek is certainly not my strength. Is "Efharisto Megas"
> Greek?

Merullos!

Its my poor attempt at saying "Big Thanks" in Hellenic!

Pythia, (Geez, all you had to do was ask....)

Subject:	Re: Servilia's Birthday
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:58:02 -0500

At 17:03 18/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>From: "A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
>> Salve,
>> I have been a member of Nova Roma for a couple of months and some
>of you
>> know me from the taverna, but I have never written to the mailing list
>> before. Anyway, since someone sent a message about birthdays the
>other, I
>> thought I'd add : My 16th birthday is on Monday, December 21, and I
>thought
>> that would be a good subject for my first post. Anyway, have a nice
>> weekend everyone.

Happy Solstice/Birthday!!! May the grace of the Gods be with you now and
always.

Vale,
Orbianna

Diana T. Hanley Bergman
proserpina@--------
orbianna@--------
----------------------------
Don't you know of tormented souls? They need dreams and action and the
purest of passion. And so we throw ourselves into fancies and madness. -
Flaubert

Linguam compescere virtus non est minima. -Anonymous

Subject:	Re: Hedonism
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:00:18 -0500

At 20:18 18/12/98 EST, you wrote:
>From: Dexippus@--------
>Oh Orbiana, my dear Sister...this came up before you blessed us with the
>presence of your citizenship. I am already Cheerleader for Nova Roma!
>
>NOVA ROMA RA RA RA
>NOVA ROMA SHISH-BOOM-BAH
>RA RA RA -- SHISH-BOOM-BAH
>YEEEEEEEEAAAAA CEASAR!
>
I guess the urge just runs in the family :-) Love ya, Dex.

Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
orbianna@--------

proserpina@--------
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"Christianos ad leonem!" -Tertullian

Subject:	Re: Friday
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:01:38 -0500

At 20:21 18/12/98 EST, you wrote:
>From: Dexippus@--------
>
>In a message dated 12/18/98 9:22:31 AM EST, --------er--------@--------
>writes:
>
><< TVIF (Thank Venus It's Friday) >>
>
>
>Oh I Love It! : )
>
>--Dexippus

Credit where credit is due... I snagged it from Dennis. He's good with
things like that.

Orbianna

Diana T. Hanley Bergman
proserpina@--------
orbianna@--------
----------------------------
Don't you know of tormented souls? They need dreams and action and the
purest of passion. And so we throw ourselves into fancies and madness. -
Flaubert

Linguam compescere virtus non est minima. -Anonymous

Subject:	Re: Another title somewhat related to morality
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:08:41 -0500

At 22:30 18/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
>
>Salvete omnes
>
>Here is another title for people like me who want to know something about
>what Romans thought about sex and morality, at least, how they spoke about
>sex...
>
>"The Latin Sexual Vocabulary", J.N. Adams, John Hopkins University Press,
>1982, ISBN 0-8018-2968-2
>
>Valete
>
>Gaius Marius Merullus
>

Salve et gratias! I had forgotten about that one.

Vale,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
orbianna@--------

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"Scientia est potentia." -Francis Bacon

"Christianos ad leonem!" -Tertullian

Subject:	Re: Keep what where?
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:51:31 -0600 (CST)

Salvete, omnes...

Marius Merullus said:

>I fail to see what is objectionable about this statement from Romanus.
>Whom does it offend? How does it insult?

...to which Floria Zonara replied:

>Well, if you don't consider calling listmembers and fellow citizens of
>Nova Roma "filthy, perverted, amoral, anti-community and loathsome
>creature"s offensive and insulting, you have a far thicker skin than I
>do.

And I, Marius Fimbria, think someone maybe didn't read all of
somebody's something, because Marius Merullus was kind enough to
enclose the statement of Marconius Romanus to which he was responding,
and it was *not* the one about filthy amoral perversion. See below:

>>Yes! The Western part of the empire had fallen but not on account of
>>Christianity. And, don't forget about the legacy of the Eastern Roman
>>Empire, Byzantine Empire, that not only survived but flourished under
>>Christianity for well over 1000 years.

Okay, some of us do have thicker skins; others are simply paying more
attention... This (not reading the whole thing, including block quotes
and stuff tacked on at the end before reacting) is the kind of thing
that leads to gross misunderstandings and flame wars on the List. Not
the only thing that leads to such, but one of 'em.

For Marius Merullus and others who joined Nova Roma and/or the List
after last summer, what Lucianus Dexippus was referring to when he said

:Ok...this was a heated debate not too long ago so let's just keep it
:there...ok?

...was our *first* Great Big Religious Fuss, waaaayyy back in August,
mere weeks after I became a Citizen. A discussion of Nova Roma's
future branched off into one about Roma Mater's past, which in turn led
to the inevitable question of why Rome fell. Someone mentioned
Gibbon's theory that the rise of Christianity had a lot to do with it.
I don't have to tell you what came next, but we had our first loss of
a Citizen over it: a Christian named Festus, who from the few posts of
his that I have seems to have been a fairly moderate fellow until the
pagan fundies pushed him into a corner. His departure did not bode
well for me. I felt acutely uncomfortable here for a long time
afterwards...but I've outlived the feeling, and I'm happy to say
welcomeness is no longer an issue for me. (I, personally, shall be
leaving Nova Roma on a funeral couch or not at all!) >({|:-)

Anyway, the thread about Christianity and Rome's Fall also contained
much debate about Rome vs. Byzantium, and how 'Roman' was the Byzantine
Empire anyway, and how far a society could evolve before it ceased to
be recognizably Roman. This is what Dexippus was reacting to in
Marconius' statement about Byzantium.

I did enjoy that part of the August debate, by the way; it, along with
more recent threads on (for example) the meaning of the word 'pagan',
has become a part of Nova Roma's ongoing quest for self-definition.
Asking ourselves and each other who we are as a people and what that
identity means to us as we go about our daily lives is the beginning of
philosophy and *always* a worthwhile endeavor.

And now ya know!
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Märia Villarroel legion6@--------
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!

aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends

Subject:	Terrys Saturnalia 2 and 3
From:	Mater2Two@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:47:09 EST

Salvete --

I was told by more than one person to keep posting Terrys holiday (and life
for that matter) to the list and ignore the Scrooges who don't care or don't
want to hear it. They know where their delete key is and are educated enough
to use it (hopefully). Remember "Tis the season to be Jolly -- you be good or
you'll be sorry" -- Saturn is watching!!! <G> How department store Saturns
will react to Terry and Lapis calling them by their true name will be
facinating to see. There IS none in town, so this year we won't visit him.
Terry won't be afraid, she isn't afraid of anyone (I don't know if that's a
good thing or not). If nothing else, Saturn better glue the beard on
tight!!!!

Friday, the second day of Saturnalia, brought Terry her talking Winnie the
Pooh book. Another winner!! She liked it so much I had to pack it in the
diaper bag when we went to the senior center. I dressed her in winter white
-- a pair of pants and a nice top all winter white with a sort of leafy
pattern in gold on it. I put her hair in a pony tail and tied it with a scrap
of golden material (from a homemade present that didn't work and was
abandoned) I made into a nice hair ribbon (so I guess the ribbon was a present
too). Since the senior transportation bus people were leaving early that day,
I had to bring the wagon for the drive to the senior center. Terry was a
wonderful hit!! She walked to every table and looked and smiled at everyone.
I think this will be a nice tradition for us every year. The local 8th
graders came to sing carols to the seniors and Terry looked with rapt
attention as they sang. She was sitting on a table with the grandparents of
one of the 8th graders.

She, as usual, fought her nap (but she was surrounded by her subjects, all
playing Hail Toddler, so it is sort of understandable) and didn't get to sleep
until 1pm, after nibbling on a cookie and rocking in Mommys lap. I had an
appointment at the clinic at 1:45 and put a sleeping Terry in the wagon and
covered her with her scarf, my hat and my big black scarf and her coat for the
walk over to the clinic (not 2 blocks away from the clinic).

We didn't get started for home until about 2:45 and it was COLD. The
temperature was about 30 but the wind was whipping. I put Terrys jacket on
her, pulled up and tied her hood and put on her mittens. I also sat her on
the end of my big scarf and wrapped the rest of it around her, like a blanket.
She sat in the wagon looking into the pages of her new book and making it
talk, but it wasn't too long before she was crying and screaming from the
cold. I tried to cover her face better, with a hood I had been wearing over
my own hat, but she didn't like it and kept pulling it off (she couldn't see
-- she'd rather freeze than not be able to see apparently). The only choice I
had was to pull the wagon as fast as I could all the way home, to get her
inside. It still was a long walk, with my poor Terry crying from the cold,
but we made pretty good time. I warmed up a little of the Mullen, not too
hot, for her to try and warm her a bit. Her cheeks were red. I don't think
she was dangerously cold, just didn't like being cold. The warm drink warmed
her nicely, though she spilled it all over her nice white outfit
(sigh....laundry here I come), and she was soon playing happilly.

This morning brought her her new crayons and a coloring book filled with teddy
bears (Poo)! She's a quick study, my Terry. I didn't even have to show her
how they worked, she's watched me write and sign stuff all her life. Needless
to say she dosen't get in the lines, but she's is having a wonderful time
nonetheless.

Breakfast was eggs and bread and "juse". She is going back and forth betewwn
her books, and when she brings me one I read to her or look at the bears with
her (she puts the book on my lap and says "book"). It will be cold today and
so I will try to stay inside as much as we can, but I will probably have to go
out for staples (I need an orange to make more Mullen and a few other things).
I was surprised by the weather yesterday, but today the temperature isn't
supposed to get much past 10 or 15 degrees (actually that was allegedly the
high for the day, with temps falling to -5 or so) and tomorrow will be all of
5 to 10 degrees. I willl be putting Terry in her snowsuit and ski-mask and
little boots this time and probably letting her walk. My back is still
suffering from the long, fast walk home yesterday.

So far this had been a pretty good holiday. No money from her dad yet, but I
wasn't expecting it and I am glad *I* made sure of a nice holiday for my
Terry.

I am now off to tighten the bolts on Terrys REALLY little red wagon (a gift
from Gramma) so she can pull it to the store when we go (maybe she'll have
some pity for her poor momma after this, but somehow I doubt it <G>). Wish us
warmth and luck (that she dosen't get too tired and make momma carry the
groceries, the wagon AND her home)!!

Valete,

Crys

Subject:	Re: Graecus!
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:50:00 EST

In a me--------e dated 12/18/98 8:54:50 PM EST, amgunn@-------- write--------r>
<< I'll make the pudding, including a
wading pool of pistachio for Dex :{)
>>

Great! I'll be there with spoons on!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Prezzy for Dex!!
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:49:13 EST

In a message dated 12/18/98 8:47:53 PM EST, iuliacaesaria@-------- writes:

<< Hey Dex when are we gonna see you in The Taverna?
Not seen ye for a bit! >>

Yeah...I keep to a busy schedule and am usually not home to join in the
Taverna. I'm hoping that will change in the New Calendar Year.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Keep what where?
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:54:08 EST

In a message dated 12/18/98 10:33:24 PM EST, rmerullo@-------- writes:

<< I fail to see what is objectionable about this statement from Romanus.
Whom
does it offend? How does it insult? >>


Merullus...you misunderstood me. There was nothing insulting about Romanus'
post on the Byzantine empire. My point was just that we've already been
through that discussion not too long ago in which it became a heated debate
(Byzantines are Romans? Constantine...blah blah blah). I just don't want it
to dominate this list again anytime soon.

Enjoy the Saturnalia!

--Dexippus
<<Day 3....I Know Nocta is on Day 4 -- Slow Down Girl!>>

Subject:	Re: Keep what where?
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:59:46 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 12/18/98 11:13:56 PM EST, Nodigio@-------- writes:

<< Well, if you don't consider calling listmembers and fellow citizens of Nova
Roma "filthy, perverted, amoral, anti-community and loathsome
creature"s offensive and insulting, you have a far thicker skin than I do. >>

Yes...Romanus' initial post WAS offensive. However, Merullus is speaking of
his more recent post where he mentions the Byzantine Empire as continuing the
Roman traditions et all.

My point in replying to this was just let's not start that "Roman vs.
Byzantine" debate again. Enjoy the Saturnalia!

--Dexippus
<<catching up to Nocta's 4th day celebration!>>

Subject:	Re: Kill a Tree for Christ
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:58:01 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 12/18/98 11:03:10 PM EST, Nodigio@-------- writes:

<< ok - I'm usually agreeable.......

Kill a Tree for Christ - done in Gregorian plain chant, and break dance style
music >> etc.

Oh this was just too Fabulous! Thanks for Sharing! And I love the "rap"
portion.

--Dexippus
<<other favorites include "I have Santa's brains in a jar underneath my bed"
and "I saw Daddy boffing Santa Clause">>

Subject:	Re: Keep what where?
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:09:36 EST

<< what Lucianus Dexippus was referring to when he said

:Ok...this was a heated debate not too long ago so let's just keep it
:there...ok?

...was our *first* Great Big Religious Fuss, waaaayyy back in August,
mere weeks after I became a Citizen. A discussion of Nova Roma's
future branched off into one about Roma Mater's past, which in turn led
to the inevitable question of why Rome fell. Someone mentioned
Gibbon's theory that the rise of Christianity had a lot to do with it.
I don't have to tell you what came next, but we had our first loss of
a Citizen over it: a Christian named Festus, who from the few posts of
his that I have seems to have been a fairly moderate fellow until the
pagan fundies pushed him into a corner. >>


Yes...thanks for understanding where I was coming from. At least someone pays
attention to threads on this list (ha ha ha).

But please remember that Festus was not "pushed into a corner by Pagan
Fundies". His remarks were often insulting and he refused to let the debate
end of its own accord. He was determined to keep up the fight until everone
involved acknowledge Byzantine as Roman. Sorry, but I was not about to do
that. If that makes me a Pagan Fundie...well, I'll drink to that. But I just
see it as upholding my own opinion. If anyone wishes to think of the
Byzantines as Romans, they may do so...it is a debate that has carried on
through the centuries and will not be solved on this list. But I just can't
see it as such. An extension of the Roman Empire? Yes. Roman
themselves...no.

But let's not start this again. Everyone has agreed to disagree and we move
on!

Enjoy the Saturnalia! <<Day 3 or 4 deponding upon which side of the pond you
are on>>

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Terrys Saturnalia 2 and 3
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:15:29 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 12/19/98 10:47:21 AM EST, M--------2Two@-------- writes:

<< I was told by more than one person to keep posting Terrys holiday (and life
for that matter) to the list and ignore the Scrooges who don't care or don't
want to hear it. They know where their delete key is and are educated enough
to use it (hopefully). >>

BA HUMBUG! So true! Like other posts on this list...if you don't want to
read it, pay homage to the Great Goddess Ignora and Her consort Deletus!

<<Remember "Tis the season to be Jolly -- you be good or
you'll be sorry" -- Saturn is watching!!! <G> How department store Saturns
will react to Terry and Lapis calling them by their true name will be
facinating to see. There IS none in town, so this year we won't visit him.
Terry won't be afraid, she isn't afraid of anyone (I don't know if that's a
good thing or not). If nothing else, Saturn better glue the beard on
tight!!!!>>

Oh this would be a hoot! Could you imagine!

"Ho Ho Ho! And what do you want for Christmas little girl?"

"Uh...nothing! I don't celebrate Christmas. Don't you know that Saturn?"

"Ho Ho Ho! I'm not "saturn" little girl! Saturn is a planet. I'm Santa
Clause!"

"Uh No! Saturn is the God of Agriculture and the Lord of the Saturnalia!
Don't you know that? You're not the real Saturn! You're a fake! A phony!
An imposter!.....MOM! THEY'VE KIDNAPPED SATURN! MOM! GET ME OFF THIS ODIOUS
ELF! HELP! MOM!"

--Dexippus

Subject:	cards and Caesars
From:	Claudia missmoon@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:50:09 -0500

According to The Salem Pioneer (our least offensive newspaper):

Each king in a deck of playing cards represents a great king from
history. Spades: King David; Clubs: Alexander the Great; Hearts:
Charlemagne; and Diamonds: Julius Caesar.

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: cards and Caesars
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:27:17 -0500

At 13:50 19/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Claud----------------oon@--------
>
>According to The Salem Pioneer (our least offensive newspaper):
>
>Each king in a deck of playing cards represents a great king from
>history. Spades: King David; Clubs: Alexander the Great; Hearts:
>Charlemagne; and Diamonds: Julius Caesar.
>
Wow! That's pretty cool! Thanks for sharing the information.
Iustina Luciania Orbianna
orbianna@--------

proserpina@--------
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"Scientia est potentia." -Francis Bacon

"Christianos ad leonem!" -Tertullian

Subject:	Re: Morality reading was Hedonism
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:33:02 -0500

At 10:45 18/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
>Salvete Orbianna et alii

>Whoa! I never would have expected that so much had been written on these
>subjects!
There's a lot written on things you'd never have guessed.

>Have you read all of these titles? Which of them do you recommend most
>highly?
Have I read these titles? Not all of them, but I have a lot of research
experience and so I just plummetted through a few databases (I actually
find this entertaining, so it was fun) and voila!
As for my recommendation, well they're all good, but what you should do is
go to your local university library and look them up. Find one you like and
then buy it from a bookstore. If it's out of print I can locate it for you
online.

>Patricia Cassia, will it be possible to add any of these to the NR
>bookstore? I want to be able to give NR its cut when I acquire one or two
>in the near future...
Good idea.

>I myself have read one book that is not entirely unrelated to the topic;
>I'll try to find it tonight and post its title, author etc.
Look forward to it.

>Does anyone have a decent bookcase that they can sell me for cheap money? I
>fear that all these Roman-related books cluttering my living room floor are
>going to cause marital tension at home....
I know the feeling (not the married part). My books are piled up along a
number of walls in my house. Someday I'll have money to buy nice
bookshelves, but I really wanted wait until I know I'm staying in the same
place for sure.

Vale,
Orbianna


Iustina Luciania Orbianna
orbianna@--------

proserpina@--------
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"Scientia est potentia." -Francis Bacon

"Christianos ad leonem!" -Tertullian

Subject:	Re: Friday
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:41:42 -0500

At 09:48 18/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>From: Mia Soderquist tuozine@--------
>I am in Newark, Delaware... practically next door. :)
>Happy Friday to you too!
Newark! Wow! Are you a student? Do you ever come up to Philly to go to
clubs? Just curious. I know a few folks from Delaware. Perhaps we could get
together sometime and have sort of an East Coast Roman Thing. We could
invite Dex and Flavia and there are a number of people close to here I think.
Io Saturnalia!

Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
orbianna@--------

proserpina@--------
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"Scientia est potentia." -Francis Bacon

"Christianos ad leonem!" -Tertullian

Subject:	Re: Prezzy for Dex!!
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:14:15 -0800 (PST)

>
> In a message dated 12/18/98 8:47:53 PM EST, iuliacaesaria@--------
writes:
>
> << Hey Dex when are we gonna see you in The Taverna?
> Not seen ye for a bit! >>
>
> Yeah...I keep to a busy schedule and am usually not home to join in
the
> Taverna. I'm hoping that will change in the New Calendar Year.

I certainly hope so!
I look forward to chatting to you again!

>
> --Dexippus
>
Noct'a
The regular in the Taverna!

Subject:	Re: Keep what where?
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:22:44 -0800 (PST)

> Enjoy the Saturnalia!
>
> --Dexippus
> <<Day 3....I Know Nocta is on Day 4 -- Slow Down Girl!>>
>
Happy day IV to ye all!!!!

See my posts on the msg board! *FEG*

Noct'a
Very happy being ahead!

Subject:	Taverna Absence
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:42:00 -0600

Hej All!

Just a note to let ya know. My ISP changed entry nodes, so my On-Line
time is, for now, a long distance call. I'll be keeping up on e-mail,
but visits to the Tavern will be infrequent and quick.

Take care - Venii

Subject:	Re: Taverna Absence
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:42:23 -0800 (PST)

>
> Hej All!
>
> Just a note to let ya know. My ISP changed entry nodes, so my On-Line
> time is, for now, a long distance call. I'll be keeping up on e-mail,
> but visits to the Tavern will be infrequent and quick.

I think I speak for all the regulars when I say we will mis you very
much. We look forward to your ISP being sorted out and you coming back
to cook for us :)


> Take care - Venii
>
Noct'a

Subject:	Quaestor Elect Venator
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:01:29 -0600

Salus et Fortuna Omnes;

Attached is the relevant material

Subject:	Re: what Quaestor Elect Venator sent
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:37:34 -0800

Salvete, Quirites.

Since Audens said he could not access the Attachment from
Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator, I have taken the liberty to copy it
to this message for any and all that had problems similar to
Audens.

Valete,
C. Aelius Ericius
Praetor ad Californiam Provinciam
Pontiff
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Hailsa Allir et Salvete Omnes;

My Greetings to the People and Senate of Nova Rome,

I am not sure that I will be home when I am supposed to take the
Oath of Office as an elected Quaestor. So, I should like to
present my Oath to the People and Senate of Nova Rome, before the
Gods of Rome, and of They of my own Conscience:

I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
swear to do honor to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and
favor, do I accept the position of Quaestor and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

And in addition:

I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the Integrity of Nova Roma, her Constitution and
Institutions.

As a Magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
shall give Honor and Respect to the concept of Public Religio and
Private Conscience.

I, Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator shall never cause harm, nor by
inaction allow harm, to any Citizen in regards to Personal
Belief.

In Service to the People, Senate and Constitution of Nova Roma,

Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator, Paterfamilias et Quaestor Elect