| Subject: |
Re: Provincial Praetors Needed! |
| From: |
pallasathene@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:59:38 -0500 (EST) |
|
Oh, so that's what we're for! Thanks, Cassius!
Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Pre-Propraetor SE USA Provincia
> etc. Some other aspects of the position include:
>
> 1. Being willing to distribute Nova Roma information/flyers at shops, etc. in
> your Province.
>
> 2. Being willing to act as the Contact Person in your Province, both by Email
> and by surface mail. Prospective Citizens are often interested in local level
> involvement, and are looking to speak to others in their Province before
> becoming involved with Nova Roma.
>
> 3. The ability to form local Sodalicium (special interest clubs) once there
> are enough local Citizens in your area to do so... also the ability to
> organize and host local get-togethers and events. Eventually there is the
> possibility of Roman "Renaissance Faires" (such as Roman Days in Maryland, US)
> springing up in various territories, and the Praetor of each province would be
> involved in such events should they be organized.
>
> 4. To act on behalf of the Nova Roman government in your Province. While all
> Provincial decisions and actions ARE subject to Senate/Consular approval,
> there is a great deal of leeway for personal initiative and action. There is
> both responsibility in this, and also the potential to build an active
> personal presence within the political scene of Nova Roma.
>
> 5. The ability to choose Legates to assist you in running your Provincia. As
> all the Provincia within Nova Roma encompass large geographic areas, Praetors
> have the ability to choose their own "local government" with Senate/Consular
> approval. Again there will be much leeway given here... the vast majority if
> not all Praetor decisions in appointing Legates will certainly be ratified.
>
> 6. Later on, once Nova Roma has grown, the Praetors and Propraetors of each
> Provincia may be also asked to oversee actual Nova Roma owned sites, or
> oversee local projects sponsored by Nova Roma itself. Admittedly this is
> something for the relatively far future, but even with Nova Roma still in it's
> first year we've seen talk of Citizens getting together to build historical
> equipment and sites. Anything is possible!
>
> In any case, the biggest skills we're looking for are a desire to be active,
> and the ability to spend time with Citizens on the local level. All
> applications and questions about Praetorships will be welcome, and we look
> forward to hearing from those wishing to take on a more active role within our
> Micronation!
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> (On behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma)
>
>
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| Subject: |
1999 DUKE-UNC COLLOQUIUM PIMPS, PEASANTS, AND POTENTATES: LOWLIFES AND LEADERS |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:04:09 EST |
|
Hey Boys and Girls,
Based on some of your last posts, I noticed that many of you are interested in
the lower life of Rome. Here's your chance to do some research.
The graduate students at Duke University and U.N.C. are hosting a joint
graduate colloquium entitled "Pimps, Peasants and Potentates: Lowlifes and
Leaders in the Ancient World" on March 27, 1999. Papers should address issues
pertaining to lowly individuals -- either reputable or disreputable -- or to
interactions between society's upper and lower echelons. There will be no
discrimination based on the fictional or non-fictional nature of the
individuals discussed.
The deadline for abstracts is Jan. 10, 1999. The original announcement,
which includes contact information, follows.
*****************************************************************************
*****************
An Annual Colloquium Sponsored By Duke University And The University Of
North Carolina At Chapel Hill
PIMPS, PEASANTS, AND POTENTATES:
LOWLIFES AND LEADERS IN THE ANCIENT WORLD
As scholars of the ancient world we are accustomed to walk the
well-illuminated avenues of antiquity, seeking out monuments to
noble men and great accomplishments. Rarely do we venture into
the darker alleys, the familiar haunts of prostitutes and cutthroats,
soldiers and drunken youths, lovelorn poets, and even the
occasional emperor. Here mass and elite mixed: thugs met with
wealthy slummers, craftsmen hawked their wares, courtesans
advised prominent statesmen -- surrounded by the nameless,
faceless crowds shuffling through their daily routine. We invite the
submission of abstracts from all disciplines for papers that shed
light on these obscure corners of antiquity, where lowly and lofty
intermingled.
Please submit an abstract of 250-350 words by mail, email, or fax
no later than 10 January 1999. Include your name, address, phone
number, email address, and affiliation. Participants will be notified
by mail or email by 31 January 1999. Presentations will be limited
to approximately 20 minutes. Limited travel funding is available.
SEND YOUR ABSTRACT AND INFORMATION TO:
1999 DUKE-UNC COLLOQUIUM
C/O NOEL R. FISER
DEPARTMENT OF CLASSICS
UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA
212 MURPHEY HALL, CB #3145
CHAPEL HILL, NC 27599-3145
CLASSICS@--------
FAX: 919.962.4036
Valete
Q Fabius
|
| Subject: |
Re: 1999 DUKE-UNC COLLOQUIUM PIMPS, PEASANTS, AND POTENTATES: LOWLIFES AND LEADERS |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:22:46 -0800 |
|
Hey...Does that mean we can write a paper on our very own Pimp Daddy, Rusticus?
LOL! Just kidding..but Hey I could not resist...with all this Codiene running
through my system....
Oh for those of you on a higher moral plateu..please disregard this post... :)
Thank you.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla, Quaestor
Praetor Urbanis - Elect
SFP55@-------- wrote:
> From: SFP55@--------
>
> Hey Boys and Girls,
> Based on some of your last posts, I noticed that many of you are interested in
> the lower life of Rome. Here's your chance to do some research.
>
> The graduate students at Duke University and U.N.C. are hosting a joint
> graduate colloquium entitled "Pimps, Peasants and Potentates: Lowlifes and
> Leaders in the Ancient World" on March 27, 1999. Papers should address issues
> pertaining to lowly individuals -- either reputable or disreputable -- or to
> interactions between society's upper and lower echelons. There will be no
> discrimination based on the fictional or non-fictional nature of the
> individuals discussed.
>
> The deadline for abstracts is Jan. 10, 1999. The original announcement,
> which includes contact information, follows.
>
>
> *****************************************************************************
> *****************
> An Annual Colloquium Sponsored By Duke University And The University Of
> North Carolina At Chapel Hill
>
> PIMPS, PEASANTS, AND POTENTATES:
> LOWLIFES AND LEADERS IN THE ANCIENT WORLD
>
> As scholars of the ancient world we are accustomed to walk the
> well-illuminated avenues of antiquity, seeking out monuments to
> noble men and great accomplishments. Rarely do we venture into
> the darker alleys, the familiar haunts of prostitutes and cutthroats,
> soldiers and drunken youths, lovelorn poets, and even the
> occasional emperor. Here mass and elite mixed: thugs met with
> wealthy slummers, craftsmen hawked their wares, courtesans
> advised prominent statesmen -- surrounded by the nameless,
> faceless crowds shuffling through their daily routine. We invite the
> submission of abstracts from all disciplines for papers that shed
> light on these obscure corners of antiquity, where lowly and lofty
> intermingled.
> Please submit an abstract of 250-350 words by mail, email, or fax
> no later than 10 January 1999. Include your name, address, phone
> number, email address, and affiliation. Participants will be notified
> by mail or email by 31 January 1999. Presentations will be limited
> to approximately 20 minutes. Limited travel funding is available.
>
> SEND YOUR ABSTRACT AND INFORMATION TO:
> 1999 DUKE-UNC COLLOQUIUM
> C/O NOEL R. FISER
> DEPARTMENT OF CLASSICS
> UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA
> 212 MURPHEY HALL, CB #3145
> CHAPEL HILL, NC 27599-3145
> CLASSICS@--------
> FAX: 919.962.4036
>
> Valete
> Q Fabius
>
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| Subject: |
3rd Peninsular Achaeology Congress |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:47:27 -0000 |
|
-Enclosure-
3 CONGRESSO DE ARQUEOLOGIA PENINSULAR
(Spain & Portugal)
Vila-Real (Portugal), 22-26 Setember 1999
Dear collegues,
I send you information about some changes in the 3 Congresso de Arqueologia
Peninsular. I will inform you that the all papers focused on organic
materials (pollen, charcoal, fruits, seeds, phytoliths, starch grains,
parenchyma, lipids,...) will be included in the session titled
"Modificagues paleoecolsgicas na Penmnsula Ibirica: factores naturais e
factores humanos" coordinated by Dr. Tina Badal (Universitat de Valencia),
Dr. Isabel Figueiral (Universiti de Montpellier II) and me, Dr. Jordi
Juan-Tresserras (Universitat de Barcelona). If you need more details about
this change you can contact with us:
Tina Badal: badal@--------
Isabel Figueiral: crit.univ-montp2.fr
Jordi Juan-Tresserras: juan@--------
If you need more information about the Congress you can read it at the web
page: <a href="http://www.utad.pt/~cap" target="_top" >http://www.utad.pt/~cap</a>
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year!
Jordi Juan
**************************************************************
Dr.Jordi JUAN i TRESSERRAS
-------- (+34) 609.328582 E-mail: juan@--------
SERP/Dept.Prehistrria, Historia Antiga i Arqueologia
Facultat de Geografia i Historia,
UNIVERSITAT DE BARCELONA
Baldiri i Reixac, s/n Torre B pis 11
E-08028-BARCELONA
"Cada epoca de la historia modifica el fogon, y cada pueblo come segun su
alma antes tal vez que con su estomago" (Emilia de Pardo-Bazan)
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| Subject: |
Re: 1999 DUKE-UNC COLLOQUIUM PIMPS, PEASANTS, AND POTENTATES: LOWLIFES AND LEADERS |
| From: |
Masterofhistory masterofhistory@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:53:13 -0800 (PST) |
|
Salvete.
This is so interesting. My old professor and mentor will be attending
or submitting something to this colloquium. He always was interested
in the lowlifes of Rome. I'll try to score us a copy.
Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
|
| Subject: |
Re: Senatorial Reappointment - Flavis Vedius Germanicus |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:07:36 -0000 |
|
Slavete omnes!
These are good news!
Congratulations Senator Germanicus!
Vale!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Propraetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
-----Original Message-----
From: C--------us622@-------- C--------us622@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 6:39 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Senatorial Reappointment - Flavis Vedius Germanicus
>From: C--------us622@--------
>
>Salvete, Omnes,
>
>As part of the legislation for the ending of 1998, the Senate of Nova Roma
has
>undertaken two votes to expand and strengthen the Senate for the coming
year.
>These will be the last two Senate membership votes of this year. Certainly
our
>incoming Consuls will nominate additional Senatorial candidates in 1999 as
>well!
>
>The first vote has been on the reinstatement of the Co-Founder of Nova
Roma,
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus, to the Senate.
>
>By majority decision, the Senate has voted to officially reinstate Flavius
>Vedius Germanicus as a full Senator of Nova Roma, with all responsibilities
>that such position entails.
>
>Welcome back Flavius Vedius Germanicus, Senator of Nova Roma!
>
>Germanicus has contributed much to Nova Roma both during and after the
>founding. His skill and experience will be invaluable in the coming year
for
>the growth and progress of our Micronation. Hopefully all Citizens will
join
>in congratulating him on his return to the Senate which he helped to
>establish!
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>(On behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma)
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Senatorial Appointment - Flavia Claudia Juliana |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:08:45 -0000 |
|
More good news!
Mithras Sol Invictus be with you, Flavia Claudia!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
-----Original Message-----
From: C--------us622@-------- C--------us622@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 6:58 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Senatorial Appointment - Flavia Claudia Juliana
>From: C--------us622@--------
>
>Salvete, Omnes,
>
>The second and final Senatorial appointment vote for 1998 concerned the
>elevation of Flavia Claudia Juliana, our Vestal and editor of "The Eagle"
as a
>Senator of Nova Roma.
>
>By majority decision, the Senate has voted to officially reinstate Flavia
>Claudia Juliana as a full Senator of Nova Roma, with all responsibilities
that
>such position entails.
>
>Flavia Claudia has been actively involved with the building and promotion
of
>our Micronation since gaining Citizenship. She holds the first Religio
Romana
>appointment to be given by our Pontificial College, and has done a
tremendous
>job as editor of "The Eagle" over the past several months. She was also a
>popular candidate for the Consulate in the recent elections. She is also
>personally highly skilled in the running of non-profit organizations, and
will
>be a great help toward building Nova Roma even further in the coming years.
>
>Welcome Flavia Clauda Juliana, new Senator of Nova Roma!
>
>Hopefully all Citizens will join in congratulating Flavia Claudia on her
new
>position.
>She will surely be a skilled and active Senator, who will work on behalf of
>all Nova Romans!
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>(On behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma)
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - capitalism obsolete since 1917 |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:15:03 -0000 |
|
Vale amice Merulle!
>While I do not dispute the impact of the French Revolution on history, I
ask
>that you excuse me if I do not pay too much attention to it in my
>examination of history for bases for my own value system. One reason that
I
>am here is my desire to get 'back to the basics', that is, to incorporate
as
>much of the life of Republican Rome into my own life as possible. To
>examine history thusly means to emphasize events long pre-dating the
French
>Revolution.
Well, are you saying we must restart slavery in Nova Roma as well? =)
I think our role is to recover, not to immitate completely... We must not
forget that we are a MODERN NATION. As such, we must also keep the good
conquests of humanity since 391 AD, don't you think?
Vale amice!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: RMerullo rmerullo@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 7:00 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789
AD - capitalism obsolete since 1917
>From: "RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
>
>Salvete Antoni Grylle et alii
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
>>
>>I won't give a definition of moral, but will give a definition of freedom
>>that I expect every people to follow, at least towards me (otherwise don't
>>call me comrade, fellow or friend):
>>
>>- Freedom is everything that does not interfere with the freedom of other
>>human being.
>
>I agree not to tread on you, Esteemed Praetor and Aedile-Elect; just as I
>expect neither you nor anyone else here to do so unto me.
>>
>>This was what the French Revolution taught us, and we must not forget that
>>Nova Roma is a nation built after that date. Anything different can only
be
>>regarded as 'Ancien Regime'.
>
>While I do not dispute the impact of the French Revolution on history, I
ask
>that you excuse me if I do not pay too much attention to it in my
>examination of history for bases for my own value system. One reason that
I
>am here is my desire to get 'back to the basics', that is, to incorporate
as
>much of the life of Republican Rome into my own life as possible. To
>examine history thusly means to emphasize events long pre-dating the
French
>Revolution.
>
>On a similar note, I intend to continue my life in shamelessly capitalistic
>pursuits, making money to support myself and my family, despite the
>Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 :).
>>
>>I just wanted to remind all citizens that Nova Roma does not descriminate:
>>-Race
>>- Sex
>>- Sexuality
>>- Political, Religious or Philosophical thought
>>
>I agree and disagree. If you are talking about NR's policy on accepting
>citizens, I think that the above is true. If you mean this as a factual
>statement describing NR citizens' statements to each other in our forum, I
>have to say that I cannot agree that it is valid (although we can strive to
>make it so). Also, the word 'discriminate', although it contemporarily
>carries strong negative connotations, can be understood as synonymous with
>'differentiate'; NR certainly does differentiate in a very biased way: we
>esteem all things Roman (especially Religio Romana and, to a lesser extent
>perhaps, classical philosophies) most highly, above anything that modernity
>has developed.
>
>>Valete!
>>
>>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>>(Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
>>
>Valete
>
>Gaius Marius Merullus
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:24:43 -0000 |
|
Salve amice Razenna!
>> - Freedom is everything that does not interfere with the freedom of other
>> human being.
>
>Then there, either, there is no freedom or the only freedom is in complete
>entropy, death. All acts interfere with the ability to act, the freedom of
>others. You first paragraph interferes with my freedom to call you a
comrade,
>fellow or friend. I would like to be such to all good people. If nothing
else
>I would think that all we of Nova Roma are "comrades" in several senses of
the
>word. I know from living several of those definitions that "comrades" do
not
>have to be friends. i am not sure what sense you mean "fellow" in, so I'll
let
>it coast except to say that I think of it as being almost synonymous with
>"comrade". "Friend" has many degrees of definition, there are many degrees
of
>friendship. I tend to use it in a miserly way, yet I have made a number of
>friends of many different origins and backgrounds here in Nova Roma.
Well, my definition was obviously not 'exact'. It just reminds each one of
us to meditate before acting, telling the following to ourselves: 'Are
others affected by His/Her/Their behavior? Why do I say it is wrong: It is
just for my personal beliefs or by rational proof?'. Then, if no one else is
affected and you are only evaluating based on your personal faith and
prejudices, please stay quiet, don't act and use philosophy to once again
find Sofia, the Logos.
>By the definition of "Moral" that is put forward above, the French
Revolution
>was immoral to the extreme.
Right, but we can state the same as to the American Revolution. Remember
what was Custer's flag when he murdered the innocent indian people.
>> I just wanted to remind all citizens that Nova Roma does not
descriminate:
>> -Race
>> - Sex
>> - Sexuality
>> - Political, Religious or Philosophical thought
>
>"All" Nova Romans seem to remember this. Our problem, Graecus (who it would
be
>nice to be able to call "friend" and "comrade") is that individuals forget
small
>parts of that from time to time.
Once again, if you don't know where Sofia is at any moment in your life...
Please don't move until you find Her again in your soul... Otherwise you may
well commit an error.
Vale!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: Raz-------- raz--------@--------
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 2:33 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789
AD
>From: Raz-------- raz--------@--------
>
>
>
>Antonio Grilo wrote:
>
>> From: "Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
>>
>> Salvete!
>>
>> I won't give a definition of moral, but will give a definition of freedom
>> that I expect every people to follow, at least towards me (otherwise
don't
>> call me comrade, fellow or friend):
>>
>> - Freedom is everything that does not interfere with the freedom of other
>> human being.
>
>Then there, either, there is no freedom or the only freedom is in complete
>entropy, death. All acts interfere with the ability to act, the freedom of
>others. You first paragraph interferes with my freedom to call you a
comrade,
>fellow or friend. I would like to be such to all good people. If nothing
else
>I would think that all we of Nova Roma are "comrades" in several senses of
the
>word. I know from living several of those definitions that "comrades" do
not
>have to be friends. i am not sure what sense you mean "fellow" in, so I'll
let
>it coast except to say that I think of it as being almost synonymous with
>"comrade". "Friend" has many degrees of definition, there are many degrees
of
>friendship. I tend to use it in a miserly way, yet I have made a number of
>friends of many different origins and backgrounds here in Nova Roma.
>
>> As such, it's obvious that Moral is to use freedom according to this
>> definition.
>
>Obviously, this is not obvious.
>
>> This was what the French Revolution taught us, and we must not forget
that
>> Nova Roma is a nation built after that date. Anything different can only
be
>> regarded as 'Ancien Regime'.
>
>By the definition of "Moral" that is put forward above, the French
Revolution
>was immoral to the extreme.
>
>> I just wanted to remind all citizens that Nova Roma does not
descriminate:
>> -Race
>> - Sex
>> - Sexuality
>> - Political, Religious or Philosophical thought
>
>"All" Nova Romans seem to remember this. Our problem, Graecus (who it would
be
>nice to be able to call "friend" and "comrade") is that individuals forget
small
>parts of that from time to time.
>
>> Please, remind this when talking about 'Moral'.
>>
>> Valete!
>>
>> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>> (Praetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
>
>Be well, and be wise.
>
>C. Aelius Ericius
>Praetor ad Californiam Provinciam
>Pontiff
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - capitalism obsolete since 1917 |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:57:38 -0500 |
|
Salvete Antoni Grylle et alii
>From: "Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
>
>Vale amice Merulle!
>
>>am here is my desire to get 'back to the basics', that is, to incorporate
>as
>>much of the life of Republican Rome into my own life as possible. To
>>examine history thusly means to emphasize events long pre-dating the
>French
>>Revolution.
>Well, are you saying we must restart slavery in Nova Roma as well? =)
No.
>I think our role is to recover, not to immitate completely... We must not
>forget that we are a MODERN NATION. As such, we must also keep the good
>conquests of humanity since 391 AD, don't you think?
What is a modern nation? If you are asking whether Nova Roma belongs to the
same set as United States of America, Republic of Slovakia, Peoples Republic
of China etc., I would say, no. Nova Roma is a micronation, quite unlike
any of those other things I have listed. From the Constitution of Nova
Roma:
As the spiritual heir to the Republic of ancient Rome, Nova Roma shall
endeavor to exist, in all manners practical and acceptable, as the modern
restoration of the ancient Roman Republic. The culture, religion, and
society of Nova Roma shall be patterned upon those of ancient Rome.
--end quote---
Furthermore, I am not sure that I agree that the morality (or lack thereof)
of modern nations is homogeneous; even if one accepts that Nova Roma is a
modern nation (which I do not fully accept), it is still not demonstrated
that its morality or conciousness would be identical, or even very similar,
to France's, or the UK's, despite all these things having been shaped by
history following the French Revolution...and the Bolshevik Revolution, the
first Lunar landing and lots more history than you or I can even recite.
I stand by my position.
>
>Vale amice!
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Philosophical and Political Debaters |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:50:39 -0500 (EST) |
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First let me say that I really enjoy these debates as they help me
settle my own ideas as to issues that I have not yet considered. So,
for my part you are encouraged to continue them. I'm not worried about
somebody getting a knife stuck in them and all else is a justification
of skin thickness in my view
(except of course specific insults to those I value highly in the area
of family, morals, or cleanliness of mind / body--I haven't got that far
yet and I hope I never do!!)
However, when one of the debaters ends a particularly good argument with
a Latin phrase, it is kind of disappointing, because the phrase usually
is some kind of catchword for the previous argument. Would it cause a
problem to ask that Latin Phrases used on the list be accompaied by an
English Translation?? I am working on Latin, but I have always been a
poor language student, and I feel that I am missing a lot!!! Thank you
for the kind consideration of this request.
Your Most Humble and Obedient Servant;
M. Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Custer |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:38:47 -0500 (EST) |
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I must remark my friend that Custer's tacics against the "hostiles" as
they were known in those days was an outgrowth of their cruelty and
intemperaance toward the white settler. Now I am not going to debate
wiith you the rightness or wrongnes of the treatment of the Indian in
America. I have read about the subject until I am cross-eyed, but
Custer is another matter. He was a famed cavalry commander under orders
from seniors who generally felt that a "good indian was a dead indian."
I do not happen to feel that way, but if forced to watch my close family
killed in cold blood and for no apparent reason, I might feel
differently. Whatever, our personal feelings about the situation, we
must acknowledge that the the Indian Nations were at war with the
Federal Government, and Crazy Horse on the night before the battle of
"Greasy Grass" finally pursuaded Sitting Bull to permit a change in
tactics. From the moment that S.B. granted that request Custer was a
dead man, and I don't think you can call that murder on either side, at
least no more than calling the Italian campaign against the Ethiopians
murder. War was declared and although the sides were not evenly
balanced, they do not have to be, Witness the Romans in Gaul and later
Germania, and Britannia. Custer always operated against Indians with
two points uppermost in his mind;
1. The hostiles were always outnumbered;
2. The hostiles always fought a delaying action to allow the women and
children to escape with their food supplies and lodges.
When Crazy Horse was relieved of both those restrictions, Custer didn't
have a chance. He gambled once too often on a sure thing and lost. But
nobody murdered anyone, they were at war, and total war had been
introduced by General Sherman years before in the Civil War and he was
practicing it now, through Custer on the Indians
I thank you for your kind attention to this view and invite your
response and insight.
Your "Yankee" friend
M. Audens
P.S. I chose to message you privately, as I did not wish to embarrass
you in any way, about my countrie's history. I did a Master's Thesis on
Custer's Orders at the Little Big Horn, so I have some knowledge of that
fight and the ones leading up to it. We can resume this discussion on
the list or continue privately as you desire.
M.A.
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Terrys Saturnalia (The End) |
| From: |
Mater2Two@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:07:41 EST |
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Salvete Romans and Parents,
This is the final day of the Saturnalia and it has been quite wonderful in our
little household!! Terry was thrilled with everything she got and seemed to
have a grand time of it.
It was a holiday full of surprises. We got more than one package/card we were
not expecting, but added to the wonderful atmosphere. I suppose the only flaw
was thet Terrys dad called to announce her holiday gifts would now be melded
with her birthday gifts (Terrys birthday is March 31st) as he is once again
out of a job, has overextended his money tending to himself, etc, etc, etc. I
had to laugh at him (after I got over the temptation to murder him).
Tomorrow is Christmas eve, and then Christmas day. Terry will recieve her
grandmothers (my mom) gift then. So out of 9 days, she recieves presents on 8
(must be nice, huh?).
I am a bit sick with a cold (all that gong outside and running all over town
no doubt) and contractions seem to come more frequently then they ought, but I
am not going to go to the hospital unless I am really worried (in other words,
f I am bleeding or find myself standing in the middle of a lake <G>). Somehow
waking Terry up in the middle oof the night to get her and myself dressed
enough for the paramedics (if they even HAVE them here) and then trying to
entertain her for two hours while I am hooked up to "The Belt" makes
desperation sound like a good plan to follow.
I may now resume my worrying <G>. This holiday was the best ever. We both
found happiness this season, some expected and some not.
Thanks for putting up with me this week.
Valete
Crys (preparing for NEXT year when our family is gonna be bigger <G>)
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| Subject: |
Re: 1999 DUKE-UNC COLLOQUIUM PIMPS, PEASANTS, AND POTENTATES: LOW... |
| From: |
Mater2Two@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:07:44 EST |
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In a message dated 98-12-23 12:04:38 EST, you write:
> From: SFP55@--------
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> Hey Boys and Girls,
> Based on some of your last posts, I noticed that many of you are interested
> in
> the lower life of Rome.
Actully I am not so much interested n the "lowlifes" of Rome as in the common
man and woman. Quite frankly, the uppers in Roman society seem to me to BE
the "lowlifes" of society.
Why is it that having little/nothing make a person a "lowlife"? And what
makes a crook a "lowlife" as opposed to some one who has money and a home and
food on his table? I have never understood this. Maybe someone could answer
THIS question? I'm trying not to ask too many, honest.
Crys (still a lowlife....I guess)
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| Subject: |
Re: Custer |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:10:51 EST |
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In a message dated 98-12-23 19:39:08 EST, you write:
<< Greasy Grass" finally pursuaded Sitting Bull to permit a change in
tactics. From the moment that S.B. granted that request Custer was a
dead man, and I don't think you can call that murder on either side >>
Audens, Custer was an idiot. I took part in the dig at Greasy Grass and we
discovered the Indian agents had supplied the Indians with better firepower
then those old trapdoor Springfields carried by the seventh.
Custer was nearly killed in several battles against the Confederates, his luck
finally ran out at Greasy Grass. Nobody with any military sense divides his
forces in three in the face of the enemy, unless that enemy is immobile, or
that the enemy army is under the command of George McClellan.
George Custer leadership would be one I'd consider Foolhardy. After all he
graduated last in his class at West Point and was proud of it! I quote Gen
Rommel. "Foolhardy commanders make a good press, but I wouldn't want to be
there when their luck was up." Custer's luck was finally up. Shame he took
so many good men and women, white-eyes and red with him.
What this has to do with NR I'm not sure, but I thought the record should be
set straight.
Best Regards
Stephen Phenow
Director, Battle Studies
Drum Barracks Civil War Museum
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| Subject: |
Re: Custer |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:59:55 -0500 (EST) |
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Well, Iam not willing to say yea or ney to the "idiot" part, simply
becaus I don't know enough about "Autie's Makeup." I have only read
about him and done papers on two of his battles. I would comment,
however, that Custer did not have the luxery of changing his weapons as
did the indians. To believe that Custer "didn't know the difference
between a trapdoor Springfield and a repeating rifle" is to say that he
was not cognizant of the advantage of one over another, and I simly
don't believe that is true.
You give two reasons why a commander would divide his force in the face
of the enemy, but in my previous message I gave a third which was as
valid as the two that you proposed. If he "knew" that the indians would
fight a retreating battle covering the women and the lodges, which had
happened always before. Custer had no way of knowing that Crazy Horse
had goten permission because of overwhelming numbers and because of a
strong plan of offensive action that "knew" had changed to "not."
I further point out that Custer was appointed to the position of General
Officer on the basis of his success and luck and the Michigan
"Wolverines" thought their Commander "something" as he took them out of
patrol duties and into the fight. Libby Custer was no idiot either, and
she married him, stuck with him, and after his death made him the legend
he is today. He must have had something for that intelligent,
influential and beautiful woman to have stayed with him . Sure he was
foolhardy, but so was Jackson when he crossed the Federal Tee at
Chancellorsville, and that was touted as a victory, because it worked!
I did not participate in the dig that you refer to, but I read the
report, and please do not mistake me, I do not "like" Custer, but he was
effective in his own way, and he was under a heavy striction from
President Grant. Cster was listed only as a supernumery officer, under
the campaign orders, until Terry apointed him commander again after they
rode out of the fort near Bismarck. He held his command as a General
Officer and even advanced when others were cashiered. General Terry
urged Custer's presence in the army in the face of Grant's Wrath, so
Terry must have thought something of him and Terry was not an "idiot".
Rommel was right, but that did not stop him at the second battle of the
Kaiserine Pass when he met Patton.
I thank you for your views. What this has to do with NR was in response
to an unfortunate term used by my Italian friend in regard to Custer. I
sent him a private message and then stupidly sent it to the list by
mistake. I have apologized to about everyone on the list so far and now
I do so to you.
I would be willing to discuss the above with you off-list to any length
that you wish. I don't particularly like Custer, but he had a lot of
success based on his own ideas, which backed up on him in the end in the
guise of an Indian War Leader who was rising and eager t try something
new as Custer was fading and trading on his past luck once too often.
My opinion is that you sell him too short, but I am willing to be
persuaded by evidence that he is indeed what you say. Of course, in
passing, you mut realize that I am no great admirer of the histoical
Washington either, so that may skew my historical thinking to some
degree.
Respectfully;
M. Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Common man / Low-lifes |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:24:58 -0500 (EST) |
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I don't believe that the two above terms are always synonomous. They
can be at time s and in certain situations, but certainly not the
majority of the time.
The low-life, as I believe we are talking about is the person who
repeatedly breaks the cultures laws, written or unwritten repeatedly for
his / her own fortune.
The common man is the man in the street (I am a common man) who tries to
uphold the values of the culture in which he / she dwells, Thhey are
like those millions who treated their wives and children with love and
kindness, obeyed the laws, paid the taxes and tried through his labor
(physcal, administrative, or artisic) to maintan himself and his family
so that those who knew him would have said in praise of his memory " he
valued our culture and did his best for it."
No man or woman are completely one or the other, but we tend to divide
them by their deeds, and their apparent values. I don't think being
well clothed, housed or fed enters into it, since there ar common men
today who struggle with those necessities and there are low-lifes who
dwell with the rich and famous.
Your feelings for the upper-crust that appear to be thoughtless may well
be true, but there is this to remember as well; decisions of great
import, devolve upon us all, and it is how we deal with those deciions
that to some large degree place us in our present culture, Caesar's
decision to cross the Rubicon, Lepidius' decision to stay in Rome
propelled him into the First Triumverate, and his lack of understanding
insured his ultimate banishment and demise.
The comon-man is not dwelt upon in literature because usuallyhis life is
boring and uninteresting not because he is common, but rather because
the labor which forms the maximum part of his life is not interesting
and is monotonous.
The above are m feelings in a nutshell, and I am as always willing to
hear the "other side" of the story.
Respectfully;
M. Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c... |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:36:01 EST |
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In a message dated 12/23/98 3:09:45 PM EST, amg@-------- writes:
<< Well, are you saying we must restart slavery in Nova Roma as well? =)
I think our role is to recover, not to immitate completely... We must not
forget that we are a MODERN NATION >>
At the risk of sounding obsurd (hell...why not?), we must accept that there
may eventually be citizens who want to be slaves (if only in title). There is
a whole subculture out there that gets off on servitude (they seem to all
flock to me...must be the Diva thing) and I'm sure a few have an interest (or
at least a fantasy) in Ancient Rome.
--Dexippus
<<always keep that door open...you never know who'se gonna come out of the
closet next!>>
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| Subject: |
Re: Custer |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:40:16 EST |
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In a message dated 12/23/98 7:39:20 PM EST, jmath669642reng@-------- --------es:
<< P.S. I chose to message you privately, as I did not wish to embarrass
you in any way, about my countrie's history. I did a Master's Thesis on
Custer's Orders at the Little Big Horn, so I have some knowledge of that
fight and the ones leading up to it. We can resume this discussion on
the list or continue privately as you desire. >>
This list is as private as an exhibitionist in an open forum!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Terrys Saturnalia (The End) |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:48:16 EST |
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In --------ss--------d-------- 12/23/98 8:15:14 PM EST, M--------2Two@-------- writes:
<< I suppose the only flaw
was thet Terrys dad called to announce her holiday gifts would now be melded
with her birthday gifts (Terrys birthday is March 31st) as he is once again
out of a job, has overextended his money tending to himself, etc, etc, etc.
I
had to laugh at him (after I got over the temptation to murder him). >>
We must lead parallel lives or something, my dear wife (ha ha)...
On the fourth day of Saturnalia..."my true love gave to me - " (no...seriously
though)...
On the fourth day, my ex-boyfriend from Chicago called me to wish me a happy
holiday. We haven't talked for 10 months and with good reason. He plays too
many mind games and I usually fall for them. Not this time. I called him
back and basically told him his well wishes were not necessary as we haven't
spoken now for 10 months and there's no need to start now. Blah blah
blah...and that was the end.
Against the spirit of the season? I don't think so. There's a lot I'm not
going into here because it's of a personal nature and not relevant to the
list, but I saw it as a chance given to me by Saturnus to "cut" him off for
good just as the Saternal Lord once castrated the genitals of His father,
Ouranus. I took pleasure in it actually!
--Dexippus
Emasculate the barbarians! (No...not you Venator!)
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| Subject: |
Re: Terrys Saturnalia (The End) |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:16:46 -0600 |
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Salvete!
> (surgical removal) <FEG>
>
> --Dexippus
> Emasculate the barbarians! (No...not you Venator!)
Not taken personally! ('sides, I'm Barbero-Roman, not a plain vanilla Barbarian.)
Joys and Blessings of the Season! - Venator
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