Subject:	Re: Custer
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:01:37 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 12/23/98 9:40:43 PM Centr--------t--------rd Time, Dexippus@--------
writes:

> This list is as private as an exhibitionist in an open forum!


Yup! That's why I've come to love it so!

Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c...
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:00:48 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 12/23/98 9:39:47 PM Centr--------t--------rd Time, Dexippus@--------
writes:

> There is
> a whole subculture out there that gets off on servitude (they seem to all
> flock to me...must be the Diva thing) and I'm sure a few have an interest (
> or
> at least a fantasy) in Ancient Rome.


***sigh*** Dex, send a few MY way! I need a caretaker/slave! LOL. Not
really - I still have 2 children at home.

Don't mind me - I'm still all whiney over my stupid hand. The fantasy of
having someone there to open cans and peel potatoes and knead the bread and
such is - pleasant, and since all I can afford is room and board and
occassional trinkets....a slave sounds appealing, 'cause that's all they
expect,

Now - 5 years from now, when my youngest goes off to the Academy.....? Of
course, by then, my hand will be fixed, and I won't need anything but a love
slave. On second thought, maybe I ought to wait.

Know any sweet young things who want to be slaves to a doddering crotchety old
woman????? 8->

Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	Re: Custer
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:19:34 -0500 (EST)

Yeah, Dex, I did it again!!! I have apologized to all wwho have
mentioned it and I apologize to you as well. It was a stupid move, I
have to determine how not to let that happen againHappy Holday Period to
allof you even with my stupidity, I' m cute!! Not THAT cute Dex!!!!!
Get that gleam outa your eye!!!! Lets' see if I can't get it right now:

M. Minucius (Audens)

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Custer
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:22:05 EST

In a message dated 98-12-23 21:59:58 EST, you write:

<< I am no great admirer of the histoical
Washington either, so that may skew my historical thinking to some
degree. >>
Either am I. I'm more an admirer of Green, Arnold, Lafayette.
Last comment on Custer, anybody who leaves Gatling Guns behind because they
slow em up, does not recognize the advantage of firepower.
As for Libby, she was IN LOVE. She needed a hero.

And about Chancellorsville, If Mr Jackson attempted to turn MY flank with his
absurd flank march across my front, I'd have let Sickles continue his attack,
and break him in two.

It takes morons to lose battles as you discribed, Audens. Custer was
certainly was one.

Stephen Phenow.
Director, Battle Studies
Drum Barracks Civil War Museum

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c...
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:32:29 EST

I would suggest to all of you that we have no need to "restart" slavery,
because it still exists throughout our world. Much of the low-priced
merchandise we enjoy at Wal-Mart and elsewhere has been produced by
slaves -- prisoners in China, children in the Far East and in Latin
America, and low-paid wage slaves (whose freedom is given up in exchange
for employment) in many places, even in the U.S..

We have neatly removed the slaves from our immediate awareness by having
them mostly located overseas and managed by third parties. We pay the
slavemasters when we buy the slave-produced merchandise. We don't trouble
ourselves with what happens to the people who actually produce the goods
we buy. We learned well from Roma Antiqua.

Just a little thought for the holidays.

L. Sergius Australicus

>From: Dexippus@--------
>
>In a message dated 12/23/98 3:09:45 PM EST, amg@-------- writes:
>
><< Well, are you saying we must restart slavery in Nova Roma as well? =)
> I think our role is to recover, not to immitate completely... We must not
> forget that we are a MODERN NATION >>
>
>At the risk of sounding obsurd (hell...why not?), we must accept that there
>may eventually be citizens who want to be slaves (if only in title).
>There is
>a whole subculture out there that gets off on servitude (they seem to all
>flock to me...must be the Diva thing) and I'm sure a few have an interest (or
>at least a fantasy) in Ancient Rome.
>
>--Dexippus
><<always keep that door open...you never know who'se gonna come out of the
>closet next!>>


id quod circumiret, circumveniat.

(What goes around, comes around.)

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c...
From:	Antonio Manuel Grilo amg@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:49:46 +0000 (WET)

Salvete!

Yes, a good theme for meditation. I think that Emperor Hadrian wrote more
or less the following (can someone provide me the reference?), although I
think that technology can greatly improve things in the future:

'No Philosophy will ever be able to end slavery. It will only be able to
disguise it, transforming men into machines that think themselves free
but are subdued in reality.'

A good meditation for all of us too.

Valete!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Propraetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)

On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 LSergAust@-------- wrote:

> From: LSergAust@--------
>
> I would suggest to all of you that we have no need to "restart" slavery,
> because it still exists throughout our world. Much of the low-priced
> merchandise we enjoy at Wal-Mart and elsewhere has been produced by
> slaves -- prisoners in China, children in the Far East and in Latin
> America, and low-paid wage slaves (whose freedom is given up in exchange
> for employment) in many places, even in the U.S..
>
> We have neatly removed the slaves from our immediate awareness by having
> them mostly located overseas and managed by third parties. We pay the
> slavemasters when we buy the slave-produced merchandise. We don't trouble
> ourselves with what happens to the people who actually produce the goods
> we buy. We learned well from Roma Antiqua.
>
> Just a little thought for the holidays.
>
> L. Sergius Australicus
>
> >From: Dexippus@--------
> >
> >In a message dated 12/23/98 3:09:45 PM EST, amg@-------- writes:
> >
> ><< Well, are you saying we must restart slavery in Nova Roma as well? =)
> > I think our role is to recover, not to immitate completely... We must not
> > forget that we are a MODERN NATION >>
> >
> >At the risk of sounding obsurd (hell...why not?), we must accept that there
> >may eventually be citizens who want to be slaves (if only in title).
> >There is
> >a whole subculture out there that gets off on servitude (they seem to all
> >flock to me...must be the Diva thing) and I'm sure a few have an interest (or
> >at least a fantasy) in Ancient Rome.
> >
> >--Dexippus
> ><<always keep that door open...you never know who'se gonna come out of the
> >closet next!>>
>
>
> id quod circumiret, circumveniat.
>
> (What goes around, comes around.)
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Terrys Saturnalia (The End)
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:36:35 -0500

At 20:07 23/12/98 EST, you wrote:
Crys, It has been a pleasure to "put up with you." :-) I'm glad I got to
experience Saturnalia with you and your family due to your openness. Thank
you.

Orbianna


>I may now resume my worrying <G>. This holiday was the best ever. We both
>found happiness this season, some expected and some not.
>
>Thanks for putting up with me this week.
>
>Valete
>
>Crys (preparing for NEXT year when our family is gonna be bigger <G>)
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Terrys Saturnalia (The End)
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:40:35 -0500

Dex,
I am proud of you for standing up for yourself. You go!

Love,
Orbianna

At 22:48 23/12/98 EST, you wrote:
>From: Dexippus@--------
>We must lead parallel lives or something, my dear wife (ha ha)...
>
>On the fourth day of Saturnalia..."my true love gave to me - "
(no...seriously
>though)...
>
>On the fourth day, my ex-boyfriend from Chicago called me to wish me a happy
>holiday. We haven't talked for 10 months and with good reason. He plays too
>many mind games and I usually fall for them. Not this time. I called him
>back and basically told him his well wishes were not necessary as we haven't
>spoken now for 10 months and there's no need to start now. Blah blah
>blah...and that was the end.
>
>Against the spirit of the season? I don't think so. There's a lot I'm not
>going into here because it's of a personal nature and not relevant to the
>list, but I saw it as a chance given to me by Saturnus to "cut" him off for
>good just as the Saternal Lord once castrated the genitals of His father,
>Ouranus. I took pleasure in it actually!
>
>--Dexippus
>Emasculate the barbarians! (No...not you Venator!)
>
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Don't you know of tormented souls? They need dreams and action and the
purest of passion. And so we throw ourselves into fancies and madness. -
Flaubert

Linguam compescere virtus non est minima. -Anonymous

Subject:	Re: Happy Mundane Holidays
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:49:12 -0500

Salvete omnes!
I just wanted to take a moment to say that I hope you all had a wonderful
Saturnalia and Winter Solstice. I know I did. Now it's time to go stay with
the family for a few days for the "other" holidays, which because they are
spent with family are good to me. I just happen to leave the "spirit" out.
It's actually sort of odd when I sit at the table with my rather large
family at X-mas and T-day because they say a Catholic blessing before the
meal including crossing themselves. I always feel like such a dolt, because
I can't bring myself to do it (cross myself), and so it's obvious that I
choose not to participate. <sigh> It's been a number of years, but my
grandparents and mother have accused me of worshipping the *devil.* <laugh>
If they only knew :-) Oh, well. Just thought I'd share. Does anyone else
feel similarly or have similar experiences?
Since I'll be gone a few days I won't be able to check my messages. That's
what I don't like about my mother's. I can't check email, and I can't light
my candles in the morning and evening and make offerings as I usually do. I
just have to do it in my head. I guess our astral temples are always
accessible, regardless of where we stay :-)
Well, anyway. Have a happy mundane holiday to those who celebrate it with
their non-Roman families.

Valete and Bright Blessings to you all,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
orbianna@--------

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Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c...
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:45:03 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 12/24/98 0:08:31 AM EST, Nodigio@-------- writes:

<< Know any sweet young things who want to be slaves to a doddering crotchety
old
woman????? 8-> >>

If you dress in leather and can strap on a few toys, I'm sure I can locate a
willing subserviant for ya! : )

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Custer
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:45:56 EST

In a message dated 12/24/98 0:19:45 AM EST, jmath669642reng@-------- --------es:

<< I have apologized to all wwho have
mentioned it and I apologize to you as well. >>

Apology? Damn...I thought it was funny! : )

--Dexippus
<<eyes gleaming>>

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c...
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:52:15 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 12/24/98 7:32:41 AM EST, LSergAust@-------- writes:

<< I would suggest to all of you that we have no need to "restart" slavery,
because it still exists throughout our world. Much of the low-priced
merchandise we enjoy at Wal-Mart and elsewhere has been produced by
slaves -- prisoners in China, children in the Far East and in Latin
America, and low-paid wage slaves (whose freedom is given up in exchange
for employment) in many places, even in the U.S.. >>

GODS BLESS KATHY LEE GIFFORD!

<<We have neatly removed the slaves from our immediate awareness by having
them mostly located overseas and managed by third parties. We pay the
slavemasters when we buy the slave-produced merchandise. We don't trouble
ourselves with what happens to the people who actually produce the goods
we buy. We learned well from Roma Antiqua.>>

And I see you have no problem using this merchandise as you preach from your
slave-produced computer. There will always be cheap labor pools in certain
areas of the world. This is the way of things. Is it slavery? No, not in
the historic sense. Can things be better? Yes...things can always be better.
But giving up your computer, cell phone, wardrobe, etc. is not gonna help...it
will only hurt by depriving these workers of the little money they do make.
Let's not throw around guilt trips for being more well to do than others.

--Dexippus
<<A Material Socialist>>

Subject:	Re: Happy Mundane Holidays
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:07:34 EST

In a message dated 12/24/98 10:42:42 AM EST, --------er--------@--------
writes:

<< Does anyone else feel similarly or have similar experiences? >>


Oh Gods Yes! My family is mostly Catholic. They're not too religious about
it. My parents only go to church for weddings and funerals or to light a
candle when they feel a need (yeah...Pagans in Catholic clothing!). My sister
and her family only go to church because their kids are altar boys and going
through their catechism. My brother is the holy-roller of the crew (he's a
Born Again Christian). So this time of year (and Easter) is always
accompanied by a heated debate of religion.

The family opens up dinner with a prayer (which they only do to placate my
brother). I sit idely by in a meditation sutra and afterwards when everyone
opens their eyes I inscribe a pentagram over my plate and mumble some short
prayer to the Gods.

Then after dinner while we're all waiting for coffee to perculate and the kids
are running amuck around the house, my dad will say something like "So, it's
funny how we have all these decorations and lights and everyone in the world
is celebrating Christmas"...blah blah blah (my Dad doesn't think there are
Jews, Hindu, Muslims or anyone else in the world at this time of year. They
may be there at other times, but at Christmas they just seem to dissapear).

So then I will jump in with the point that all the decorations and
celebrations have nothing to do with Christ and that they originate from the
Saturnalia and Yule festivals of the Ancient Pagan people of Europe and that
the Church just moved the holiday to December 25 (the Old Winter's Solstice on
the preceeding calendar) to "christianize" the holiday celebrations that the
people were still observing. My brother will jump in saying that that may be
but I won't go to heaven if I don't believe in Christ Jesus. I'll say, our
vision of heaven is based upon our beliefs on earth. If we lead good lives
and our hearts are worthy and light we will be rewarded after death until our
next incarnation...blah blah blah. It goes on for the rest of the night...it
sometimes gets heated. Dad tries to referree the discussion. Mom sips her
coffee. My sister and her husband roll their eyes. The kids try to jump in
because they are in sunday school and think that because Sister Agnus Mary
Congeniality said so then it must be true. And in the end I just can't wait
to get home and smoke a good clove cigarrette!

So, with that! Merry Christmas if you are celebrating!


--Dexippus
<<very glad that Yule/Solstice comes before Xmas celebrations. It gives me a
chance to be spiritually fulfilled so I can enjoy (somewhat) dinner with the
family>>

Subject:	Re: Terrys Saturnalia (The End)
From:	Mater2Two@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:11:00 EST

In a message dated 98-12-23 22:49:30 EST, you write:

>
> In --------ss--------d-------- 12/23/98 8:15:14 PM EST, M--------2Two@-------- writes:
>
> << I suppose the only flaw
> was thet Terrys dad called to announce her holiday gifts would now be
melded
> with her birthday gifts (Terrys birthday is March 31st) as he is once
again
> out of a job, has overextended his money tending to himself, etc, etc,
etc.
> I
> had to laugh at him (after I got over the temptation to murder him). >>
>
> We must lead parallel lives or something, my dear wife (ha ha)...


But of course my love, that's why we got together.

>
> On the fourth day, my ex-boyfriend from Chicago called me to wish me a
happy
> holiday.

ROFLMAO!!!! Ummmm, we DO remember that certain mes were born and raised in
Chicago, right??

>.......but I saw it as a chance given to me by Saturnus to "cut" him off for
> good just as the Saternal Lord once castrated the genitals of His father,
> Ouranus. I took pleasure in it actually!

sigh.......I THOUGHT I had managed that. Isenthim a letter, registered and
sent certified mail, saying I don't want his money and I don't want him seeing
Terry (she gets upset whenever he calls, even if it means waking upout of a
sound sleep to protest his call). Another Homocidal moment????? When h told
me "I figured the note was nothing but pregnancy talking and you chilled out
by now." (my silence at the other end was my remembering that Minnesota is not
a death penalty state,and trying to remember if California is) I was MORE
than ready to chill HIM out!!!!!!!

>
> --Dexippus
> Emasculate the barbarians! (No...not you Venator!)

Crys (glad it's Christmas Eve so I can lay on my couch and be sick as a
reindeer!!)

Subject:	Re: Custer
From:	Mater2Two@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:11:14 EST

In a message dated 98-12-24 00:19:41 EST, you write:

> Yeah, Dex, I did it again!!!

Silly!!!

Crys (preparing to give Audens private reply lessons <G>)

Subject:	Patrician Status
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:48:15 -0500

Salvete Quirites
I would like to make the announcement that the Senate has voted unanimously
to include Gens Minucia within the Patrician Gentes. I hope that everyone will join
me in congratulating Marcus Minucius Audens, Quaestor elect.
May the Gods continue to bless Nova Roma with many more citizens like him.

Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus
(On behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma)

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	Mater2Two@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:30:09 EST

YEAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

Crys(used all my excess energy)

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c...
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:47:46 EST

In a message dated 12/24/98 6:32:42 AM Central Standard Time,
LSergAust@-------- writes:

> and low-paid wage slaves (whose freedom is given up in exchange
> for employment) in many places, even in the U.S..

Count me as one of these - after 40 years in the employment meat market, I'm
still working for an hourly minimum wage..... It's not as bad as it's painted
to be.

Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c...
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:11:53 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 12/24/98 9:46:32 AM Centr--------t--------rd Time, Dexippus@--------
writes:

> If you dress in leather and can strap on a few toys, I'm sure I can locate a
> willing subserviant for ya! : )


LOL! I Do wear leather - white, with steel reinforcements. (I got them from
my orthopedist - to protect my old, frail bones - I generally refer to them as
'my exo-skeleton'). I always wear them under my sweats, so I usually look
like a slouchy old bag lady with great (false!) posture. And as for toys
----- have you EVER been to a physical therapist's torture chamber - uh -
clinic? Hot paraffin tub, harnesses, traction devices, heat moldable splints,
... I got 'em all! I'm sure they can easily have multiple uses! Old ladies
have the most amazing things collected and stored for --- assorted ---
purposes.

Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	Re: Happy Mundane Holidays
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:54:01 -0800

Dexippus wrote:

> So then I will jump in with the point that all the decorations and
> celebrations have nothing to do with Christ and that they originate from the
> Saturnalia and Yule festivals of the Ancient Pagan people of Europe and that
> the Church just moved the holiday to December 25 (the Old Winter's Solstice on
> the preceeding calendar) to "christianize" the holiday celebrations that the
> people were still observing. My brother will jump in saying that that may be
> but I won't go to heaven if I don't believe in Christ Jesus. I'll say, our
> vision of heaven is based upon our beliefs on earth. If we lead good lives
> and our hearts are worthy and light we will be rewarded after death until our
> next incarnation...blah blah blah. It goes on for the rest of the night...it
> sometimes gets heated. Dad tries to referree the discussion. Mom sips her
> coffee. My sister and her husband roll their eyes. The kids try to jump in
> because they are in sunday school and think that because Sister Agnus Mary
> Congeniality said so then it must be true. And in the end I just can't wait
> to get home and smoke a good clove cigarrette!
>
> So, with that! Merry Christmas if you are celebrating!
>
> --Dexippus

Who ever said The Games were gone? That sounds like a Match suitible for the Ludi
Romani!Go DEX!!!!


Ericius

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:57:54 -0800

Congrats Audens for now being a member of us, fellow bluebloods...who,
as Ericius, once posted, have been lifted by
Fortuna...lol...Well..anyway, you are now one of us. Congratulations.
:)

Lucius wrote:

> Salvete Quirites I would like to make the announcement that the
> Senate has voted unanimouslyto include Gens Minucia within the
> Patrician Gentes. I hope that everyone will joinme in congratulating
> Marcus Minucius Audens, Quaestor elect. May the Gods continue to
> bless Nova Roma with many more citizens like him. Valete, Lucius
> Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus(On behalf of the Senate of Nova
> Roma)

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c...
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:12:46 EST

>From: Dexippus@--------
>
[my own words snipped]
>
>GODS BLESS KATHY LEE GIFFORD!
>
Who, pray tell, is she?
>
[more of my own words snipped]
>
>And I see you have no problem using this merchandise as you preach from your
>slave-produced computer.
Dexippus, you have attempted to take augury to new heights, looking back
through the Net and determining what kind of equipment I use, and where
and how it was produced. However, I suspect you're off-base again. Apple
Macintoshes, as far as I know, are mainly produced in California, Japan,
and Taiwan, and not by slave labor.

>There will always be cheap labor pools in certain
>areas of the world. This is the way of things. Is it slavery? No, not in
>the historic sense.
Not in any sense, as far as I know. It becomes slavery only when the
labor is forced, directly or indirectly.
> Can things be better? Yes...things can always be
>better.
>But giving up your computer, cell phone, wardrobe, etc. is not gonna
>help...it
>will only hurt by depriving these workers of the little money they do make.
>Let's not throw around guilt trips for being more well to do than others.
If you're experiencing a "guilt-trip," I guess that validates my
comments. I was merely offering a bit of '60s-style conciousness raising.
Don't worry -- the masses aren't about to rise up and strip you of your
luxuries.
>
>--Dexippus
><<A Material Socialist>>

Lucius Sergius Australicus
<<who eschews labels>>


sic friatur crustum dulce.

(Thus the cookie crumbles.)

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:29:25 -0800

I. Congratulations Audens. Ihope they in in order

Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> Congrats Audens for now being a member of us, fellow
> bluebloods...who,

II.

> as Ericius, once posted, have been lifted by Fortuna...lol...

I deny ever saying that. Though it does sound like the brand of
quote tar Sulla would originate.(See how well we Patricians get
along. lol LOL. I loves it!)

> Well..anyway, you are now one of us. Congratulations. :)

Yes you are. I assume they asked you first. Well come.

C. Aelius Ericius.

Subject:	Patrician Status
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:50:06 -0800 (PST)

Salvere Iubeo Audens,

Turncoat! Traitor! Benedict Arnold!

(Kidding! Congradulations, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Just do your former Plebean collegues a favor and don't stick your
nose up too far when you see us in the Forum!)

In Mirth,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
PLEBEAN Tribune elect.

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:16:10 -0500 (EST)

To all my friends in Nova Roma, I thank the Senate, Most Sincerely, for
the honor bestowed upon me by the elevation of my gens. I sought this
honor not for my personal need, but rather for my namesake who as a
"commom man" and who labored long in the legions as a:

"gromaciti and gubernator--man who operates a groma (a lind of
apprentice agrimmensores (surveyor) and the second in command of a Roman
War vessel"

but never reached patrician status in the Empire. All we know of him is
from a funeral statuary found in Britannia, but it is enough, I believe,
to establish that he was an honorable and hard-working, man, which I
would be fully fulfilled to have as my epitaft. It is to him, the
ancestor of my gens, that I re-dedicate myself and the Patrician Gens
that I now lead, to Rome and her history through Nova Roma.

Further, I make the following solumn pledge to the Senate and to Nova
Roma, that I shall never use my name or position for ill or for injury
against this state, and that my hand, skill, and eye will always support
Nova Roma. Further I pledge that friendship shall be the watchword of
my gens toward all Nova Romans be they Patricians or Plebian, be they
Christian or Pagan, be they Roman or Barbarian, and that friendship
shall crown the diadem over my Gens Hall for and in the distant times to
come.

I thank all of you who have welcomed me to this micro-nation, and have
helped me along my way. Your friendship and assistance means much to
me, all of which I shall not forget.

In closing I once again thank you most humbly for the honors done to me
and my gens by the Nova Roma, it's Citizens, it's Senate and it's
Officer's of the past year, 1998.

Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor - Elect
Military Tribune

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:22:04 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Avidius Tullius Callidus;

I thank you most sincerely for your recognition. I promise that we
shall grow closer together rather than farther apart, by this honor done
to my gens, and I appreciate greatly your efforts on my part in the
past. I am most proud to call you friend!!!!

Vale, My Friend

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:33:03 -0500 (EST)

Salve, C. Aelius Ericius;

I thank you mst sincerely for your recognition. Our relatonship shall
grow srtonger with this honor, it is my promise to make it so! I
appreciate greatly your efforts in the past, I am most proud to call you
friend!!!!

Vale, My Friend

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:38:51 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Lucius Cornelius Sulla;

I thank you most sincerely for your recognition. My desire is to get to
know you better and to share some of your skills as a Political Expert.
I am most proud to call you friend!!!!

Vale, My Friend

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:46:01 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Crystalina;

I thank you most sincerely for your recognition. I am very aware of the
value of our business and personal dealings and of how valuable there
are to me and to Nova Roma.I appreciate greatly your efforts on my part
in the past, and I am most proud to call you friend!!!!

Vale, My Friend

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:52:15 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Lucius Equitus Cincinnatus;

I thank you most sincerely for your anouncement. I am most pleased at
this recognition by yourself and by the Senate. Your kindnesses and
assistance over the last few months are much appreciated and I am much
honored at their receipt. I am most proud to call you friend!!!!

Vale, My Friend

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:59:54 EST

In a message dated 98-12-24 17:52:18 EST, you write:

<< I am most pleased at this recognition by the Senate >>

And long overdue as well. Ave Audens!

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	Mater2Two@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:11:17 EST

In a message dated 98-12-24 17:46:49 EST, you write:

> Salve, Crystalina;
>
> I thank you most sincerely for your recognition. I am very aware of the
> value of our business and personal dealings and of how valuable there
> are to me and to Nova Roma.I appreciate greatly your efforts on my part
> in the past, and I am most proud to call you friend!!!!
>
> Vale, My Friend
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens

To quote Bilbo Baggins when he was in my same condition (not pregnant -- with
a cold) --"Tag u berry buch"

Crys (nursing herself and Terry back to health)

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:16:56 -0600

Avete Omnes!

Vivat Submariner! Excellent Choice!

In Service - Venator, your pleasantly Plebian Coqueror et Coquus,
Quaestor (Elect)

Lucius wrote:

> Salvete Quirites I would like to make the announcement that the
> Senate has voted unanimouslyto include Gens Minucia within the
> Patrician Gentes. I hope that everyone will joinme in congratulating
> Marcus Minucius Audens, Quaestor elect. May the Gods continue to
> bless Nova Roma with many more citizens like him. Valete, Lucius
> Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus(On behalf of the Senate of Nova
> Roma)

Subject:	Re: slavery
From:	missmoon missmoon@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:06:21 -0500

LSergAust@-------- wrote:
>
>
> We have neatly removed the slaves from our immediate awareness by having
> them mostly located overseas and managed by third parties. We pay the
> slavemasters when we buy the slave-produced merchandise. We don't trouble
> ourselves with what happens to the people who actually produce the goods
> we buy. We learned well from Roma Antiqua.

Whooo...Australicus really nailed this one. People buying those
expensive sneakers or those cute little Kathy Lee Gifford tops don't
have a clue where they come from or under what conditions they're made
-- as Kathy Lee found out for herself when she was so 'shocked' to
discover the conditions of the workers who made her line of clothes.

I don't, however, think it's a case of learning from Roma Antiqua, a
culture that was certainly not the first nor the last to exploit labor.
Why blame Rome alone?

I heard a Disney exec explain all this on NPR last week. It ws his
opinion that if these people were paid the U.S. minimum wage, it would
upset the local economies of whatever ravaged nation they're in, since
the overall cost of living is so low. He didn't mention what Disney did
about the sweatshop labor they employ in the U.S. Guess they just don't
want those folks getting too uppity.

Hey, Merry Xmas, huh? Have another furby!

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Happy Mundane Holidays
From:	missmoon missmoon@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:09:58 -0500

jane wrote:
>
> "that Great Trinity which presides over
> all" - and you're really praying to Ceres and Bona Dea and the Capitoline
> Triad...

I love this. I think I'll trot 'round the corner to Midnight Mass and
see if it works!

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Terry's sick!!
From:	Mater2Two@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:42:14 EST

Salvete all--

Terry's cold is getting worse. She has been feverish and throwing up a little
and overall miserable. I am keeping her hydratedand trying to give her ginger
to quiet her stomach and relieve the vomiting. I am trying not to panic and
will give her until Saturday (after Christmas) and if she's no better with the
home remedies, we go to the ER.

I am asking for white light and prayers for my baby. I am going to give her a
nice cool bath with lavendar oil (the scent sooths her it seems) for this
fever.

I am really trying not to panic.....I know Terry to be a strong kid, but I
hate seeing her suffer.

Valete and thanks,

Crys

Subject:	Re: Terry's sick!!
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:02:02 -0800 (PST)

Salve Crys et al
I'm sorry to hear this about Terry.
I will pray for her and send white light and healing energy her way.
I hope she is better soon.
She is in my thoughts.

Noct'a

> Salvete all--
>
> Terry's cold is getting worse. She has been feverish and throwing
up a little
> and overall miserable. I am keeping her hydratedand trying to give
her ginger
> to quiet her stomach and relieve the vomiting. I am trying not to
panic and
> will give her until Saturday (after Christmas) and if she's no
better with the
> home remedies, we go to the ER.
>
> I am asking for white light and prayers for my baby. I am going to
give her a
> nice cool bath with lavendar oil (the scent sooths her it seems) for
this
> fever.
>
> I am really trying not to panic.....I know Terry to be a strong kid,
but I
> hate seeing her suffer.
>
> Valete and thanks,
>
> Crys
>
>
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Subject:	Re: 1999 DUKE-UNC COLLOQUIUM PIMPS, PEASANTS, AND POTENTATES: LOWLIFES AND LEADERS
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:38:19 -0800 (PST)

>
> Hey Boys and Girls,
> Based on some of your last posts, I noticed that many of you are
interested in
> the lower life of Rome. Here's your chance to do some research.

I am interested yes...
>
> The graduate students at Duke University and U.N.C. are hosting a
joint
> graduate colloquium entitled "Pimps, Peasants and Potentates:
Lowlifes and
> Leaders in the Ancient World" on March 27, 1999. Papers should
address issues
> pertaining to lowly individuals -- either reputable or disreputable
-- or to
> interactions between society's upper and lower echelons. There
will be no
> discrimination based on the fictional or non-fictional nature of the
> individuals discussed.

Where's Duke Uni???
I guess it's in US well if anyone goes could they take notes for me
please :)

> An Annual Colloquium Sponsored By Duke University And The
University Of
> North Carolina At Chapel Hill
>
> PIMPS, PEASANTS, AND POTENTATES:
> LOWLIFES AND LEADERS IN THE ANCIENT WORLD
>



Hehe we have all of those in our Taverna! Who needs to look at the
Ancient world?

Pimps - Cnaeus Aelius Rusticus our Pimpus Pater (My Pimpus Frater!!)

Peasants? We've had plenty in!!

Potentates - well we have loads of em in!!

Lowlifes? Well I won't meantion anynames but the peasants who come in
are generally lowlifes.

Leaders - Same as Potentates!!


HEALTH WARNING
This post is for fun!
I am NOT hurting anyone by posting it!!
You puritans can delete it if it bothers you!!
Any reference to lowlifes and peasants generally means lurkers!

Noct'a
A lowlife peasant LOL!

Subject:	Re: Terrys Saturnalia (The End)
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:48:15 -0800 (PST)

>
> << I suppose the only flaw
> was thet Terrys dad called to announce her holiday gifts would now
be melded
> with her birthday gifts (Terrys birthday is March 31st) as he is
once again
> out of a job, has overextended his money tending to himself, etc,
etc, etc.
> I
> had to laugh at him (after I got over the temptation to murder
him). >>
>
> We must lead parallel lives or something, my dear wife (ha ha)...
>
> On the fourth day of Saturnalia..."my true love gave to me - "
(no...seriously
> though)...
>
> On the fourth day, my ex-boyfriend from Chicago called me to wish me
a happy
> holiday. We haven't talked for 10 months and with good reason. He
plays too
> many mind games and I usually fall for them. Not this time. I
called him
> back and basically told him his well wishes were not necessary as we
haven't
> spoken now for 10 months and there's no need to start now. Blah blah
> blah...and that was the end.
>
> Against the spirit of the season? I don't think so. There's a lot
I'm not
> going into here because it's of a personal nature and not relevant
to the
> list, but I saw it as a chance given to me by Saturnus to "cut" him
off for
> good just as the Saternal Lord once castrated the genitals of His
father,
> Ouranus. I took pleasure in it actually!

You go Dex!!!
Tell him like it is!

>
> --Dexippus
> Emasculate the barbarians! (No...not you Venator!)

Noct'a
Do *worse* to em *MEG*

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c...
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:02:28 -0800 (PST)

>
> > There is
> > a whole subculture out there that gets off on servitude (they
seem to all
> > flock to me...must be the Diva thing) and I'm sure a few have an
interest (
> > or
> > at least a fantasy) in Ancient Rome.
>
>
> ***sigh*** Dex, send a few MY way! I need a caretaker/slave! LOL.
Not
> really - I still have 2 children at home.
>
> Don't mind me - I'm still all whiney over my stupid hand. The
fantasy of
> having someone there to open cans and peel potatoes and knead the
bread and
> such is - pleasant, and since all I can afford is room and board and
> occassional trinkets....a slave sounds appealing, 'cause that's all
they
> expect,
>
> Now - 5 years from now, when my youngest goes off to the
Academy.....? Of
> course, by then, my hand will be fixed, and I won't need anything
but a love
> slave. On second thought, maybe I ought to wait.
>
> Know any sweet young things who want to be slaves to a doddering
crotchety old
> woman????? 8->

Ohye need to come into the Taverna!!1
I got me a love slave there!!!
ROFLMAO

>
> Secunda Floria Zonara

Noct'a
All sorted out in that department!

Subject:	Re: Terry's sick!!
From:	Nodigio@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:16:12 EST

In a message dated 12/24/98 7:42:39 PM Central Standard Time,
M--------2Two@-------- writes:

> She has been feverish and throwing up a little
> and overall miserable. I am keeping her hydratedand trying to give her
> ginger
> to quiet her stomach and relieve the vomiting.

Terry's over 2, so it would be all right to give her some warm honey water to
help her - and a splash of vinegar in it can give her back some of the
electrolytes lost. This is a cheaper version of Pedialyte - an old Roman
remedy, too!

Also, if you have a steam humidifier, adding a touch of rosemary to the water
can help if she's also a bit congested (and it won't hurt you either!). If
not, put some rosemary in a pot on the stove and let it simmer gently,
replenishing the water as needed.

Washing her down with vinegar is cooling, too, and can help bring down a
fever,

If you have sage, brewing her up a mild cup of sage tea can help break the
fever, too- use 1/4 teaspoon of sage and pour on a cup of boiling water, steep
3 minutes, strain and let it cool to room temperature. A little honey can be
added if needed, but sage is pleasant enough tasting not to need it.

Being as you're pregnant, you need to be careful what herbs and medications
you expose yourself to. The above remedies are equally effective and safe for
pregnant women. You doubly neeed to take care of yourself if Terry's getting
sick, so you can take care of her.

Secunda Floria Zonara

Subject:	Re: Happy Mundane Holidays
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:18:09 -0500

Salvete Orbianna et alii


:From: Diana/Orbianna --------er--------@--------
:

:meal including crossing themselves. I always feel like such a dolt, because
:I can't bring myself to do it (cross myself), and so it's obvious that I
:choose not to participate. <sigh> It's been a number of years, but my
:grandparents and mother have accused me of worshipping the *devil.* <laugh>
:If they only knew :-) Oh, well. Just thought I'd share. Does anyone else
:feel similarly or have similar experiences?

Well, my family is apparently less devoutly Christian than yours. But since
I have not been a Christian at all for years, and been instead a religious
nothing, I have felt out of place during Christmas for a long time.

It has been nice to wish everyone here Felicia Saturnalia, but I do
sometimes wish that I had more in-person fellowship at least during one or
two days of the year. Oh well.

:
:Valete and Bright Blessings to you all,
:Orbianna
:
:Iustina Luciania Orbianna


Same to you.
:
:"Christianos ad leonem!" -Tertullian
:

Subject:	Clove cigarettes was Happy Mundane Holidays
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:22:18 -0500

Salvete Dexippe et alii


:Congeniality said so then it must be true. And in the end I just can't
wait
:to get home and smoke a good clove cigarrette!
:
:

Is it true that burning cloves yield euginol, a substance that punches holes
in lung tissue? I enjoyed those until I heard a report on euginol...

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Patrician Status
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:46:19 -0800 (PST)

Congrats!!!

What a Christmas prezzy! LOL!

I would like to extend congratulations to yuor Gens on behalf of my
gens. The Plebeian gens. Iulia Caesaria


Noct'a
Materfamilias of the Plebeian gens. Iulia Caesaria

>
> Salvete Quirites
> I would like to make the announcement that the Senate has
voted unanimously
> to include Gens Minucia within the Patrician Gentes. I hope that
everyone will join
> me in congratulating Marcus Minucius Audens, Quaestor elect.
> May the Gods continue to bless Nova Roma with many more
citizens like him.
>
> Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus
> (On behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma)
>
>
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Subject:	Update 1
From:	Mater2Two@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:53:02 EST

In a message dated 98-12-24 22:17:00 EST, you write:

> Terry's over 2, so it would be all right to give her some warm honey water
> to
> help her - and a splash of vinegar in it can give her back some of the
> electrolytes lost. This is a cheaper version of Pedialyte - an old Roman
> remedy, too!
>

Great. I don't know too many remedies to use, and I was a smidge panicky when
I posted. I'm just glad it didn't come out sounding Greek (no pun intended).
Thanks for all the great tips.

> Being as you're pregnant, you need to be careful what herbs and medications
> you expose yourself to. The above remedies are equally effective and safe
> for
> pregnant women. You doubly neeed to take care of yourself if Terry's
> getting
> sick, so you can take care of her.
>
> Secunda Floria Zonara

Zonara, I swear I forgot all about myself. I had to be reminded to eat. Just
before I gave Terry her bath I took her temperature and it was 102.6. I
haven't taken it again, as the bath seemed to calm and relax and cool her down
and she climbed on the couch and went to sleep. I transfered her to our bed
and am checking on her a lot. I seem to have the same thing she does, but I
am not throwing up,I am sneezing.

Hopefully she will be her happy liittle self by morning. I hate seeing my
Miracle so miserable!! And her fever rose so FAST!!! Scared me half to
death.

Crys (not liking the sick baby part of Mommyhood)

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - c...
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:37:05 -0800

"A. Iulia" wrote:

>
> Ohye need to come into the Taverna!!1
> I got me a love slave there!!!
> ROFLMAO
>
>

Yes...you do seem to have that department covered...I wonder just who he
could be! ;) Please share with the group...I am sure we are all waiting for
your answer!

Lucius Corenlius Sulla, Quaestor
Praetor Urbanis - Elect

>
> Noct'a
> All sorted out in that department!
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Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - ...
From:	Mater2Two@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:56:55 EST

In a message dated 98-12-24 23:36:59 EST, you write:

> Yes...you do seem to have that department covered...I wonder just who he
> could be! ;) Please share with the group...I am sure we are all waiting for
> your answer!
>
> Lucius Corenlius Sulla, Quaestor
> Praetor Urbanis - Elect

Yeeessss Noct'a....do tell.....I understand the Taverna has turned into a den
of eniquity??? Please.....share.....hehehehehehehehe

Crys (and, NO, it's not me)

Subject:	Latest update on Terry!!!!
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:23:13 -0800 (PST)

Salvete

OK I am writing this on behalf of Crys who has had to call 911 now.

Terry's temperature has soared to 103 and she is NOT at all well!

I ask that you place Terry and Crys in your prayers.

Noct'a

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - ...
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:28:05 -0800 (PST)

>
> > Yes...you do seem to have that department covered...I wonder just
who he
> > could be! ;) Please share with the group...I am sure we are all
waiting for
> > your answer!
> >
> > Lucius Corenlius Sulla, Quaestor
> > Praetor Urbanis - Elect
>
> Yeeessss Noct'a....do tell.....I understand the Taverna has turned
into a den
> of eniquity??? Please.....share.....hehehehehehehehe

Errr..well.......
*Turns a deep red and refuses to comment*


> Crys (and, NO, it's not me)

Nah...Ye can't travel in your state! Oh welll :(
LOL

Noct'a
*Now a lovely shade of beet-red*

Subject:	Re: Jesus and the Liberals( or those that are blasphamious)
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:29:56 -0800

Any time I do not reply to something does not mean I am
consenting, acquiesing or agreeing. It
only means I choose not to waste my breath.

C. Aelius Ericius
Pontiff

Subject:	Re: Moral and other definitions made useless after 1789 AD - ...
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:34:59 -0800

"A. Iulia" wrote:

> From: "A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
>
> >
> > > Yes...you do seem to have that department covered...I wonder just
> who he
> > > could be! ;) Please share with the group...I am sure we are all
> waiting for
> > > your answer!
> > >
> > > Lucius Corenlius Sulla, Quaestor
> > > Praetor Urbanis - Elect
> >
> > Yeeessss Noct'a....do tell.....I understand the Taverna has turned
> into a den
> > of eniquity??? Please.....share.....hehehehehehehehe
>
> Errr..well.......
> *Turns a deep red and refuses to comment*

Well..thats a first....lol.....Nocta....and why do you refuse to comment?

>
>
> > Crys (and, NO, it's not me)
>
> Nah...Ye can't travel in your state! Oh welll :(
> LOL
>
> Noct'a
> *Now a lovely shade of beet-red*

and such a cute shade too! :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla, Quaestor
Praetor Urbanis - Elect

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Subject:	Re: Latest update on Terry!!!!
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:35:50 -0800

C. Aelius Ericus responds to what

A. Iulia wrote:

> Salvete
>
> OK I am writing this on behalf of Crys who has had to call 911 now.
>
> Terry's temperature has soared to 103 and she is NOT at all well!
>
> I ask that you place Terry and Crys in your prayers.
>
> Noct'a

Minerva, Apollo, Asclepius
Aid this child
Restore her health
Let her and her mother
Be restored

Ita est.

Subject:	Latest on Terry again!
From:	"A. Iulia" iuliacaesaria@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:45:14 -0800 (PST)

Salvete


OK the doctor said to keep Terry cool.

If she gets to 104 Crys is gonna be up all night!


Noct'a

Subject:	Re: Jesus and the Liberals( or those that are blasphamious)
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:58:08 -0600

Salve L. Marconius Romanus!

I am amused to find that you are not a Christian as I suspected, but a Catholic, as
was I at one time. I started losing respect for the Paulist Sect, when a Jesuit
priest taught our C.C.D. class one Sunday about reincarnation, past-life regression
therapy and human auras as being implicitly part of Catholic Doctrine. I've done
too much reading over the past 3 decades (and no, I'm not claiming any scholarship
in the field, just a personal view) to believe that the 'Bible' is any more a set
of historical facts than are the fables of Aesop.

I don't dispute the depth of your Faith and Belief, but I have a hard time taking
seriously myth as history as you seem to be doing.

Let's keep the prosletyzing off the board, for if the Truth is so self-evident, the
Divine's message needs no human meddling.

Vale - Venator (most of whose ancestors were converted by sword and fire in the
name of the 'Prince of Peace.')

Subject:	Roman medical knowledge
From:	"Juan Correa" gehn@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:36:07 -0800

I am reading the novel The First Man in Rome, by Colleen McCullough. One of
the characters, Lucius Gavius Stichus, falls ill. Judging by the diagnoses
and recommendations of the doctors the book implies that Romans had
knowledge of germs and bacteria and how washing hands could stop the spread
of disease. What I wish to know is if the Romans possessed this knowledge,
or not.

Lucius Fannius Agelastus Dives
Definitely not smiling after Marconius's remarks

Subject:	Re: Catholicism and Christianity
From:	"Vartarius Quentius" sikkens@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:04:51 -0800

Actually, Catholics are Christians. There are several sects of Catholicism
(Roman, Anglican, Episcopalian, etc.). The Catholic Church has specific
rituals and beliefs that are specifically "Catholic" and may not be shared
by the rest of the Christian world including the Catholic "Mass" which
differs from Christian "Services".

Most (if not all) of the Christian religions have their roots in the early
Catholic Church, and the relations are many. Many Christian Churches differ
in things like not using the robes the Priests wear and not using (or having
different) scripted prayer.

My 2 cents,

Vartarius Quentius
www.livinghistory.org
ICQ# 23058791

Subject:	Re: Catholicism and Christianity
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:38:59 -0800

> Salve,
>
> > My 2 cents,
>
> And I thank you for it, Vartarius Quentius. Your post reflected what I know
> about Catholicism, which is why Venator's statement has me confused.
>
> Vale,
> T. Labienus Fortunatus

I do not *know* what spin Venator was putting on his terms but my take on it was as if
he was using the terms in the manner that those Nazarenes who some of call
Fundamentalists use the words. In their lexicon "Christian" means "Born Again" (or some
other restrictive defining "thing"). I have heard such good folk say, "I'm not a
Catholic, I'm a Christian." As one religion commentator put it, they are "arrogating"
the word "Christian" exclusively to themselves. In this sense neither the Pope of Rome
or the Archbishop of Canterbury is a "Christian". My observations have been as a
non-participant observer who does his best to keep his head down.

C. Aelius Ericius