Subject:	Re: Religio Subscribe
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:02:17 +0000

Dex...
<a href="http://www.onelist.com" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com</a>

<a href="mailto:religio@--------" >religio@--------</a>

Subject:	Oath of Office
From:	missmoon missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 01:26:32 -0500

To the Senate and People of Rome, I make the following oath, by the Gods
of Rome and especially Magna Vesta, whom I serve:


I, Flavia Claudia Juliana, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and
the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Flavia Claudia Juliana, swear to do
honor to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and
to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Flavia Claudia Juliana, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Senator to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Senator and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


May the Gods of Rome, the Lares and Penates of the State, the Genius of
Rome, and Magna Vesta grant us their blessings in these undertakings.
And may the Gods and Magna Vesta find favor with the nation of Nova Roma
and grant that it grow and prosper in its endeavor to restore the glory
of Rome, the Roman Virtues, and the Religio Romana to thier proper place
in the world.
Ita Est.

Subject:	Re: End of Consulship Address... :)
From:	missmoon missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 01:32:54 -0500

Regarding Cassius's address...

As you all know, there are very few times that I'm speechless.

This is one of 'em.

Thanks for everything, Cassi.

_Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Oath of Office Senator Annus MMDCCII Consulorum L Equitius Cincinnatus et D Iunius Palladius
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:39:05 -0500

[This message contained attachments]

Subject:	Military Sodalicum NR E-Mail List
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:07:45 -0500 (EST)

Flavia Claudia asks:-----Establishing an E-Mail NR list for Military
Sodalist if approved????

Do you mean like the Back_Alley and the Religio??? Gee, I don't know.
Both of the others are designed for a specific need. I'm not sure if
there is a need yet for another one. It is a good thought though. When
and if it is approved, I will address the list. That should give me an
idea of the need / desire.

Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	NR Oath of Office Quaestor Annus MMDCCII Marcus Minucius Audens
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:55:20 -0500 (EST)

I, Marcus Minucius Audens do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and
the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a Magistrate of Nova Roma, I Marcus Minucius Audens swear to do honor
to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Minucius Audens further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor do I
accept the position of Quaestor and all rights, privileges, obligations,
and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Toga
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:12:51 EST

In a message dated 12/31/98 6:45:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
raz--------@-------- writ--------br>
<< Military Tribune, Quintus.I heartily
doubt that the Plebian Tribunes dressed this way in the City >>
And that was what I was describing, Praetor. The post was never about Plebes,
only if Romans wore the toga in the field.

HAPPY NEW YEAR OHMES!

Q Fabius

Subject:	Re: New Years Resolutions
From:	Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:47:24 -0800

> I believe that everyone should make some new years resolutions. However I
> like to make
> resolutions I think I can keep. So, without any more ado here are ;
>
> MY NEW YEARS RESOLUTIONS
>
> 1) I will not spark an uncontrolled fusion reaction.
> 2) I will not assassinate any major world leader without talking to
> someone first.
> 4) I will do nothing which might cause a major asteroid to enter an
> intercept trajectory
> with the earth.
> 5) I will keep my hands to myself while around the controls of a nuclear
> reactor.
> 7) I will do my best not to bring on the apocalypse.
> 8) I will concentrate more on science & philosophy, and less on bringing
> back the ancient old ones of the Dark Universe.
> 9) I will try to remember that expressing my emotions with high explosive,
> shaped
> charges is usually a bad thing.
> 10) I will not become the crazed dictator of a third world nation.
> 11) I will not sell tactical nuclear weapons to gang-bangers.
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!

C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor ad Californiam Provinciam
Pontiff
Paterfamilias gens Aelia

Subject:	Re: New Years Resolutions
From:	jmath669642reng@-------- (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:05:08 -0500 (EST)

Is this an new effort to try and stress keeping the resolutions yo make?
HMMMMMMMMMM.

Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Vale MMDCCLI a.u.c.
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:54:55 -0600 (CST)

On Thu, 31 D--------998, Raz-------- raz--------@-------- wrot--------r> >Salve MMDCLII a.u.c.
><snip>
>Ericius.

Err...not *quite*! Rome was founded on 21 April, 753 BCE...so it may
no longer be A.D. 1998, but it's still A.U.C. 2751 for a little while
yet.

Happy New Year!
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o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!

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Subject:	Re: Recreating the Republic
From:
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:32:45 EST

Salve Gaius Marius!

I am sorry for any stress this situation may have caused you or anyone
else here. I have no intention of leaving, nor would I want any other
party to leave. That is why, when someone seems to insist on continually
picking quarrels, misrepresenting my attitudes and statements, and
offering blatant distortions of public facts, I think it's best all
around to simply have nothing more to do with them, rather than let such
quarrels continue to poison the "air" here. That's the best solution I
can think of.

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.

>From: "RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
>
>Salvete Luci Sergi et Damiane Luciane et alii
>
>I like both of you and wish that you would NOT do this to each other,
>yourselves, and me.
>
>If one of you leaves, it will be a loss for all of us. Please dont do that.
>
>While there are fragments of a real debate here, it has devolved into
>something else. Pleae recognize that.
>
>Valete
>
>Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Trial venue was Re: Who will defend Fannius?
From:
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:32:43 EST

>From: "RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
>
>Salvete Luci Sergi et alii
>
>
>
>
>>From: LSergAust@--------
>>
>>Offering only my humble (ha!) opinion, I think the chatroom would be an
>>awful venue for a trial. I would think it would have to be here, with
>>presentation of the charge, the evidence, the defense, followed by the
>>votes of those appointed as jurors, or something along those lines.
>>Everybody else would have to keep off the list until it was concluded. Or
>>maybe we could start a new, temporary list for a trial? It shouldn't be
>>happening all the time (I hope).
>
>I agree about the chatroom, but, why does the trial have to be public?
>Could a Praetor Urbanus not see to the selection of a jury? Sulla et
>Scaevola, how was this done in Roma Antiqua, and do you have any plans on
>how to do it here?

I have assumed a trial would be public because I think that's how it was
done in Roma Antiqua, and in most English-speaking nations as well.
Trials that are not carried out in public lend themselves to abusive
practices and can give the impression that improper things have gone on.
A trial is, after all, public business, is it not? I think the public's
business should be carried on in the light of public scrutiny.

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.

Subject:	My Keepable Resoluton
From:	"Mater" aicrys@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:48:33 -0600

Salvete --

This year I plan to ake a resolution I can keep!! Ready??


In 1999 I resolve to............


I really do........


I can DO this one.........


HONEST......


Watch, me!! You'll be soooooo proud of me.......


This year I resolve to..........


I said that already didn't I?..........


Anyway in 1999 I resolve to........






HAVE A SECOND BABY!!!!!!!!



Do YOU think I can keep this resolution???

Happy new year!! <G>
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Subject:	Sententia Praetori de Lucio Fannio Agelasto Dive
From:	Mike Ma--------r MikeMa--------r@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:50:15 -0500

Cincinnatus wrote:

> I am pleased that we can now close the matter of Lucius Fannius
>Agelastus Dives.
> I, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus, have levied a fine
>and given duties as penalty in this case. The specifics are not important.
>Lucius Fannius Agelastus Dives agrees with the penalty. Ita Est!

I am pleased that the outgoing Praetors have been able to deal with the
prosecution of Fannius so rapidly and no doubt would be happy with the
penalty (if I had more information as to what it was ... it is a general
principle of criminal law that information about penalties should be
public, so that citizens can regulate their conduct accordingly).

I'm less happy with the precedent set. Several citizens had expressed
concern that there should be some form of "due process", and it's not clear
that our Constitution gives the Praetor Urbanus the power to act summarily
in this way. Can we agree, please, that this is a special case because
Fannius confessed and expressed contrition and because we don't yet have
proper procedures in place?

And can we agree that we need to get the Comitiae set up so that we can
legislate some proper procedures?

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister

Subject:	Oath of Office
From:	Mike Ma--------r MikeMa--------r@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:50:50 -0500

I, Marcus Mucius Scaevola Magister do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Mucius Scaevola Magister swear to
do honor to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Mucius Scaevola Magister further swear that I will discharge the
office of Praetor Urbanus to the best of my abilities, and that in
discharging its judicial functions I will do right to all Citizens withour
fear or favour.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, I accept the
position of Praetor Urbanus and all the rights, privileges, obligations,
and responsibilities belonging thereto.

Subject:	Kalends of Januarius
From:
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:56:26 EST

As our new magistrates take office, it is worthwhile to remember that this was
a festival day in ancient Rome. H.H. Scullard's "Festivals and Ceremonies of
the Roman Republic" quotes Ovid:

"In spotless garments the procession wends to the Tarpeian towers. Now the
people wear the color of the festival day; and now new rods of office lead the
way, new purple gleams, and a new weight is felt by the far-seen ivory chair.
... When from his citadel Jupiter looks abroad on the whole globe, naught but
the Roman Empire meets his eye."

May Jupiter bless Nova Roma with strength, wisdom and virtue.

Marcus Cassius Julianus and Patricia Cassia

Subject:	(no subject)
From:	"aicrys@-------- Reply-to": "<> To: 1PaganParents List" <a href="--------to:1_pag_par@onelist.co--------gt;1_pag_par@onelist.co--------;/a>, "Nova Ro--------ist novaro--------ne list.co--------; Date": novaro--------..., 1 Jan 1999 09:13:43.-0600.Subject:Addresses.Priority:Nor--------X---------er:Phoenix.Mail.0.91.Standard.Edition.MIME-Version:1.0.Content-type:--------ipart/--------d;boundary=-----Phoenix-Boundary-07081998-.-------Phoenix-Boundary-07081998-.Content-type:text/ (no, I'--------t, Since.I.a--------t.linked.up.to.the.Nova.Ro--------ite.and.so--------e.fro--------e.NR.--------.list.was.showing.an.interest.in.NR.--------er.pages@N... (yes, I'--------are that the web--------stress is --------terless, I'--------st saying), I.have.finally.secured.an.e--------.progra--------ich.gives.--------lenty.of.roo--------r.the.addy.in.--------ignatur.e.So.look.away!!!You.can.access.both.pages.fro--------ch.other.and.you.can.access.Nova.Ro--------ro--------th.sites.as.well.Any.co--------ts.are.appreciated.I (I think) (why , -------Phoenix-Boundary-07081998---@xxxxx.xxxx.xxx
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:26:53 -0600

Subject:	Oath of Office Consul Anno MMDCCII
From:
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:28:19 -0500

[This message contained attachments]

Subject:	Re: Sententia Praetori de Lucio Fannio Agelasto Dive
From:
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:33:46 -0500

Salvete, M. Mucius Scaevola Magister et Omnes Quitrites

>Cincinnatus wrote:
>> I am pleased that we can now close the matter of Lucius Fannius
>>Agelastus Dives.
>> I, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus, have levied a fine
>>and given duties as penalty in this case. The specifics are not important.
>>Lucius Fannius Agelastus Dives agrees with the penalty. Ita Est!
>
>I am pleased that the outgoing Praetors have been able to deal with the
>prosecution of Fannius so rapidly and no doubt would be happy with the
>penalty (if I had more information as to what it was ... it is a general
>principle of criminal law that information about penalties should be
>public, so that citizens can regulate their conduct accordingly).
>
>I'm less happy with the precedent set. Several citizens had expressed
>concern that there should be some form of "due process", and it's not clear
>that our Constitution gives the Praetor Urbanus the power to act summarily
>in this way. Can we agree, please, that this is a special case because
>Fannius confessed and expressed contrition and because we don't yet have
>proper procedures in place?
>
YES, I acted 'summarily' because L Fannius Agelastus Divis Confessed,
and assessed the penalty based on that and the apology.
As this was not a 'trial', but a hearing that I held. I would like L
Fannius Agelastus Divis to be able to decide using his own ''Dignitas"
whether or not to disclose the nature of his penalty. I agree that the
sentence of a guilty verdict in a 'trial' ought to be Public.

>And can we agree that we need to get the Comitiae set up so that we can
>legislate some proper procedures?


Yes, I certainly agree!

Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, Consul

Subject:	(no subject)
From:	"aicrys@-------- Reply-to": "<> To: 1PaganParents List" <a href="--------to:1_pag_par@onelist.co--------gt;1_pag_par@onelist.co--------;/a>, "Nova Ro--------ist novaro--------ne list.co--------; Date": novaro--------..., 1 Jan 1999 09:13:43.-0600.Subject:Addresses.Priority:Nor--------X---------er:Phoenix.Mail.0.91.Standard.Edition.MIME-Version:1.0.Content-type:--------ipart/--------d;boundary=-----Phoenix-Boundary-07081998-.-------Phoenix-Boundary-07081998-.Content-type:text/ (no, I'--------t, Since.I.a--------t.linked.up.to.the.Nova.Ro--------ite.and.so--------e.fro--------e.NR.--------.list.was.showing.an.interest.in.NR.--------er.pages@N... (yes, I'--------are that the web--------stress is --------terless, I'--------st saying), I.have.finally.secured.an.e--------.progra--------ich.gives.--------lenty.of.roo--------r.the.addy.in.--------ignatur.e.So.look.away!!!You.can.access.both.pages.fro--------ch.other.and.you.can.access.Nova.Ro--------ro--------th.sites.as.well.Any.co--------ts.are.appreciated.I (I think) (why , -------Phoenix-Boundary-07081998---@xxxxx.xxxx.xxx
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:52:43 -0600

Subject:	Quaestorial oath of office
From:
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:16:03 EST

I, Patricia Cassia, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and
the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a Magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Patricia Cassia, swear to do honor
to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Patricia Cassia, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Quaestor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor do I
accept the position of Quaestor and all rights, privileges, obligations,
and responsibilities attendant thereto.

I ask the Gods and Goddesses to guide me in serving Nova Roma with dignity and
honor.

Patricia Cassia (writing from her Paterfamilias' computer)

Subject:	So... How 'bout them gladiators?
From:	Mia Soderquist tuozine@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:35:18 -0800 (PST)

I thought I would take this opportunity to review a Latin cassette
course.

Teach Yourself Beginner's Latin
by G.D.A Sharpley
ISBN 0-8442-3565-2

(Available alone or with 2 cassettes)
This textbook is very good for people who want a gentle introduction
to Latin. It assumes no particular knowledge of grammar-- the
introduction includes definitions for "noun" and "verb" and the first
lesson includes an explanation of subject and object. Lessons include
story passages for reading, some exercises, notes on grammar, and
"Living Latin"-- quotes in Latin (with English translation provided),
from different periods in history (Classical and right on through the
middle ages).

The cassettes are recordings of the story sections (abridged after a
certain point early in the course) and the Living Language sections.
The pronunciation on the tape is mostly the reconstructed Classical
style, but it is not entirely consistent. [I enjoyed listening to them
anyway, since it isn't too often that one hears much Latin... Or, at
least, *I* don't hear too much Latin.]

In summary, this is an entertaining and humane introduction to Latin.
If you are looking for something more substantial, you might want to
step up to Wheelock, but if you are feeling a little intimidated, this
might be the course for you.

Mia

Subject:	Re: Recreating the Republic
From:
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:43:43 EST

In a message dated 12/31/98 3:47:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dean6886@-------- --------es:

<< Actually Dex I don't think its necessary to draw the line between
black and white and state a one true purpose of Nova Roma. All are
welcome yes but as long as noone interferes or tampers with the growth
of the Religio Romana or vice versa would try to expel citizens by hook
or crook for being let's say just here to make friends and have an
interest in micronationalism mixed with Roman culture - I don't think we
have a problem. We are all enhancing Nova Roma by enthusiastically
establishing a broad base within Nova Roma.
I think this is where the concern is coming from is it not? -- The
idea of being outnumbered and then displaced by a wider non-pagan
community in Nova Roma changing the organization into something entirely
different in time. I personally don't beleive that will be te case as
few people that aren't open minded enough to accept a path other than
their own- be it Christian, Moslem, etc. would join an organization that
promotes in every way the total revitilization of the Religio Romana.
The few people who would come here to destroy it or thwart it have a way
of making themselves noticed and weeding themselves out- like Mr.
Marconi. >>

Due to a major hangover on this first day of 1999 (Happy New Year all), I will
revert to Orbianna's previous post about the fundies on her college campus and
them infiltrating her grove.

If we don't have a unified stated purpose, we run the risk of having our
projected intentions change over time. I too have seen this happen in many
organizations.

--Dexippus
<<<ouch!>>

Subject:	Re: Yule Celebrations(reports from around the globe)
From:
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:54:58 EST

In a message dated 12/31/98 7:13:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
--------er--------@-------- writes:

<< Did I ever tell you that
P. Telesco was initiated into his coven? It's was way before Dennis's time
however. Which reminds me, we still need to talk... >>

Hmmm...very interesting. yes...we do need to talk. Let's shoot for
Sunday...this hangover should be gone by then.

--Dexippus
<<clenching forehead>>

Subject:	Re: Vale MMDCCLI a.u.c.
From:	Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 09:08:51 -0800

Yes it is, depending on freedom of choice, of course.
[see below]

legion6@-------- wrote:

> From: legion6@--------
>
> On Thu, 31 D--------998, Raz-------- raz--------@-------- wrot--------font>
> >Salve MMDCLII a.u.c.
> ><snip>
> >Ericius.
>
> Err...not *quite*! Rome was founded on 21 April, 753 BCE...so it may
> no longer be A.D. 1998, but it's still A.U.C. 2751 for a little while
> yet.
>
> Happy New Year!

There were calendar reforms (of a sort) even before C. Julius Caesar's
terminal administration. The dating was eventually adjusted to go along
with the administrative year. Not a religious one.
I knew ** SOMEBODY (s) ** would pick nits on this (wicked snickering
laugh). WE shall see how many folk have functioning brain cells this
morning after.

With fanfare, very LOUD trumpets and the CLASHING of cymbals.

Valete.

Ericius
ex-Prepropraetor of California Provincia

Subject:	Re: Recreating the Republic
From:
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:11:12 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 1/1/99 7:32:54 AM E--------rn St--------rd Time, LSergAust@--------
writes:

<< That is why, when someone seems to insist on continually
picking quarrels, misrepresenting my attitudes and statements, and
offering blatant distortions of public facts, I think it's best all
around to simply have nothing more to do with them, rather than let such
quarrels continue to poison the "air" here. >>

You shouldn't say such things about yourself.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: My Keepable Resoluton
From:	Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 09:12:29 -0800

This needs to be quoted in its entirety.

Mater wrote:

> Fro--------Mater" aicrys@--------
>
> Salvete --
>
> This year I plan to ake a resolution I can keep!! Ready??
>
> In 1999 I resolve to............
>
> I really do........
>
> I can DO this one.........
>
> HONEST......
>
> Watch, me!! You'll be soooooo proud of me.......
>
> This year I resolve to..........
>
> I said that already didn't I?..........
>
> Anyway in 1999 I resolve to........
>
> HAVE A SECOND BABY!!!!!!!!
>
> Do YOU think I can keep this resolution???
>
> Happy new year!! <G>

No comment.
I cordially refuse to answer that question under the rights granted to me by
the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution.

[wiping persperation from his brow]
Ericius.

Subject:	Re: My Keepable Resoluton
From:	Crystal Brewton aicrys@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:40:07 -0600

Hi Razenna, you wrote on 1/1/99 11:12:29 AM:

>From: Raz-------- raz--------@--------
>
>This needs to be quoted in its entirety.
>
>Mater wrote:
>

I know what I said.......

>
>No comment.
>I cordially refuse to answer that question under the rights granted to me
>by
>the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution.
>
>[wiping persperation from his brow]
>Ericius.

COWARD!!!!! <G>

Does this mean you don't think I can do it??

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Subject:	Oath of Antonius Gryllus Graecus as elected Plebeian Aedile
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:47:43 -0000

I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova
Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus swear to do honor to the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and
to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Plebeian Aedile to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their
will and favor, do I accept the position of Plebeian Aedile
and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities
attendant thereto.

Antonius Gryllus Graecus

Subject:	Roman resolutions
From:	m--------oon m--------oon@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 12:54:10 -0500

Nobody asked, but here are mine...


1. I will remember to hold my temper on the list.
2. I will remember that one day, Nova Roma will have some actual LAND
where we can all meet in person on a regular basis, but until that day
comes,we still have Roman Days!
3. I will also remember that the people with whom I'm now in touch only
by e-mail, the list, and the Chat Room have real faces, emotions,
feelings that can be hurt and a corporeal presence -- some of us REAL
corporeal. ( I guess the usual New Year's Diet is in order.)
4. I will remember that I really want to meet these folks in person, and
we'll all probably be very different face-to-face (more polite, for one
thing, than you tend to be on a faceless medium like the 'Net)and none
of us want to be pre-judged by stuff we've said on here.
5. I will watch more South Park, dudes!

Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: My Keepable Resoluton
From:	Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:09:57 -0800

Crystal Brewton wrote:

> Hi Razenna, you wrote on 1/1/99 11:12:29 AM:
> <<[ SNIP ]>>
> >the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution.
> >
> >[wiping persperation from his brow]
> >Ericius.
>
> COWARD!!!!! <G>
>
> Does this mean you don't think I can do it??
>

Fifth!

Ericus

Subject:	oath and blessings
From:	m--------oon m--------oon@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 13:10:26 -0500

I see that Lucius Equitius liked the Oath so much that he took it twice.

Now THAT'S what I call an enthusiastic statesman. Is this guy eager to
step into the lion's den or WHAT?

May the Gods guide and protect our new Magistrates: Minerva give us
wisdom, Mercurius give us clear communications, Jove give us strength,
Egeria give us the good counsel she gave King Numa, Mars give us courage
of our convictions, and the muse Thalia stand at our shoulder giving us
a touch of humor and kindness. Ita est!

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Kalends of Januarius
From:	missmoon missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 13:17:47 -0500

Nov------------------------ wrote:
>

> "In spotless garments the procession wends to the Tarpeian towers. Now the
> people wear the color of the festival day; and now new rods of office lead the
> way, new purple gleams, and a new weight is felt by the far-seen ivory chair.
> ... When from his citadel Jupiter looks abroad on the whole globe, naught but
> the Roman Empire meets his eye."
>
I don't know how I feel about this. Makes me so jealous of Ovid, having
been there in the great days.
Imagine how it must have felt to be a first-time Senator on the
Kalends, as part of that great procession! I'm desolate to have missed
that part, but overjoyed and proud to be part of the longed-for
restoration of the glory of Rome.

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Vesta & Venus
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 13:57:06 -0500

At 17:48 29/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: m--------oon m--------oon@--------
>Yes, and she said, "Venus, girlfriend ..I know it's the 90s but look
>here... unwanted pregnancies are up, there's AIDS, herpes, chlamydia;
>frustrated wives doing a Bobbit on the old man; teen pregancy is a
>problem; there's deadbeat Dads, and the divorce rate sucks. I think I'll
>stick to celibacy."
>
Indeed. So, I'm curious... does Vestal celibacy prohibit sexual acts with
men alone, or does it include intergender sexual relations?

Sounds like a Dear Abby column:

Vale,
Curious

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: Saturnalia Presents
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:10:11 -0500

At 18:16 29/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Salvete, Quirites
> I hope this turns out ok, this was an overexposed (stop grinning Dex)
>picture that I tried to fix with the program that came with the scanner we
>just got. It's Canon FB320P that used Adobe Photo Delux 2.0, Is that good? I
>sure wouldn't know, I just hope it works.
> Anyway I put on my Toga and posed. I hope everyone enjoys it, even
>those who are sharpening their Darts :-)
>
>Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\Dec29_Cincinnatus in Toga.jpg"
>

Yay! That's so cool! Send more. I know we have a place on the NR website
for photographs, but perhaps we can have a page of biographies with
photographs of our citizens possibly linked to the Gentes page? What do you
think?

Valete,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: Vale MMDCCLI a.u.c.
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:07:21 EST

Salvete omnes!

I have a new colleague at work who is (very) Jewish. On the 31st, we were
discussing the current "New Year" vs. the Jewish New Year (which was in
September) and the Roman New Year (in Martius, acc. to the Nova Roman
pre-Julian calendar) and we agreed to just celebrate them all as they
come up. Any excuse for a celebration, eh? ;-)

Valete,
L. Sergius Aust.

>From: Raz-------- raz--------@--------
>
>Yes it is, depending on freedom of choice, of course.
>[see below]
>
>legion6@-------- wrote:
>
>> From: legion6@--------
>>
>> On Thu, 31 D--------998, Raz-------- raz--------@-------- wrot--------font>
>> >Salve MMDCLII a.u.c.
>> ><snip>
>> >Ericius.
>>
>> Err...not *quite*! Rome was founded on 21 April, 753 BCE...so it may
>> no longer be A.D. 1998, but it's still A.U.C. 2751 for a little while
>> yet.
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>
>There were calendar reforms (of a sort) even before C. Julius Caesar's
>terminal administration. The dating was eventually adjusted to go along
>with the administrative year. Not a religious one.
>I knew ** SOMEBODY (s) ** would pick nits on this (wicked snickering
>laugh). WE shall see how many folk have functioning brain cells this
>morning after.
>
>With fanfare, very LOUD trumpets and the CLASHING of cymbals.
>
>Valete.
>
>Ericius
>ex-Prepropraetor of California Provincia

Subject:	Re: So... How 'bout them gladiators?
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:07:18 EST

>From: Mia Soderquist tuozine@--------
>
>
>I thought I would take this opportunity to review a Latin cassette
>course.
>
>Teach Yourself Beginner's Latin
>by G.D.A Sharpley
>ISBN 0-8442-3565-2
[SNIP]

Thank you for this very informative post. Sounds interesting. I will look
for this at my next visit to Barnes & Nobles. The books I've been looking
at so far seem to be about evenly divided between ignoring grammar
altogether (apparently assuming you'll pick it up from usage) or
presenting it in ways that make a lecture on quantum mechanics look
simple by comparison.

Vale,
L. Sergius Aust.

Subject:	Re: This seems a good time.....
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:17:03 -0500

At 18:24 29/12/98 -0600, you wrote:
>From: anaxarete@-------- (Anaxarete C E)
>
>To introduce myself!!
>
> I am Reina and have been lurking on this list for about...oh......2
>weeks. I found the Nova Roma web page and started to read it and found it
>interesting then I subscribed to this list. Since then I have been
>reading all I can about Rome.
> In school we did the hit and run lessons on most ancient civilizations,
>so I have read up on them on my own over the years. Rome is one that I
>have always been interested in.
>
> Just went to the Library today and got a few books. I am going again
>next week, any good book recommendations? :-)
>
> Oh!! I have a recipe for Pumpkin Bread. If anyone wants it I will send
>it to them or post it on the list.
>
>Anyway, Now for a little personal stuff I can tell ya.....well.....I'm a
>young'un only 18...recent H.S. Graduate(Is 7 months ago considered
>recent?)........I love to read....play, listen and sometimes write
>music....act silly on occasions.....well.....maybe more than
>occasionally.
>:-)
>
>Hmm....that's all I can think of right now........I am glad I have found
>the Nova Roma webpage and this list..you are some great people. :-)
>
Salve, and welcome, Reina. I hope you enjoy your experience on our list and
at some point choose to become a citizen.

Vale,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: Matthew Amt and I
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:20:05 -0500

At 19:34 29/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
> Salvete adhuc iterum AND Just my two cents on A Iunia's
>post " A private religio
>has no business being so damn public.
>" "" just as it was in ancient Rome. Ita est.

Whoohoo! It's just as I thought (we're ok, Crys - oh, and sign me up on
that there list of yours, by the way).

*ita est*

Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: RELIGI--------..!
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:26:06 -0500

At 23:13 30/12/98 +0000, you wrote:
>From: Pythia kingan@--------
>
>Announcing a new list for those who practice the Religio to discuss
>issues of personal piety.
>
Whoohoo!!! Sign me up NOW!!! (or whenver you get the chance)

:-) :-) :-)
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: Matthew Amt and I
From:	Crystal Brewton aicrys@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:26:23 -0600

Hi Diana/Orbianna, you wrote on 1/1/99 1:20:05 PM:

> Whoohoo! It's just as I thought (we're ok, Crys - oh, and sign me
>up on
>that there list of yours, by the way).
>

It is done.

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Prima Iunia Terrelina - a.k.a. Terry (3/31/97)
Lapis Stone (due in February)
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Subject:	Re: Aw, Mikey...
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:37:54 -0500

At 02:34 30/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: m--------oon m--------oon@--------
>
>michael marconi wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well, it appears that some of you 'Romans will receive your
>> Christmas gift a little late. But, better late than never. So it seems
>> that I am about to loose my citizenship!
>
>And we can see what you DIDN'T get for xmas...a life and a spellchecker.
>
>
>> pulling in its own way(s) till this micro-nation is twisted and
>> distorted in such a manner that it becomes unrecognizable.
>
>The key word here, campers, is "twisted," but "distorted" is pretty apt,
>too.
>
>
>> this madness most be stopped, nation suddenly explodes with a bang.
>
>Talk about somebody who could USE a Big Bang...
>
>> And amongst the countless chards
>
>Chards? Like in cottage cheese?
>
>> being guided by the hand of God and returning too the original
>> Catholic Church-the "Tridentine Mass".
>
>Is this where, instead of those crunchy wafers and a tasty beverage, you
>just get a measly stick of Trident gum?
>
>
>> You can pray too a tree, sacrifice a bull to Zeus or a virgin to the
>> mighty something volcano god.
>
>Oh no ya don't! Any virgins around here get co-opted into the Vestals!
>
>> Enough is enough-stop the madness!
>
>We did, honey. We exiled you.
>
>You cannot continue onward in
>> this spiraling dance of mundane nonsense of blasphemy and human
>> depravity. You are destined too an eternity in hell-or whatever you
>> wish to name it.
>
>My choice for Hell? A romantic evening with YOU. Talk about depraved.
>
>> And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of women, burned in
>> their lust one toward another:
>
>OOh! Can we get video of this? Talk about a fundraiser for the Treasury!
>
>>
>> O glorious artist formerly known as Prince of the heavenly host,
Saint Michael the Jackson, and Madonna of the conical brassiere,
>
>>
>> which is the Bride of the Lamb without spot;
>
>Spot is apparently the lamb-herding dog, who went off to find the Best
>Man of the Sheep and the Bridesmaids of the Turkeys.
>
>> they had laid profane hands upon her most sacred treasures.
>
>Now THIS sounds just plain dirty. MIkey, you little pervert. I hope
>you're going to confession about this.
>
>Bye, bye.
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
>
ROTFL

You have such a way with words. I *love* it!

Vale,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: FREE TOO ROAM!
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:48:18 -0500

At 12:01 30/12/98 EST, you wrote:
>From: Dexippus@--------
>Is this guy off the list yet? Let's not wait around any longer as it's
>obvious he's a !@#*&$! A@@H0LE!
>
>Raina...don't be afraid to speak up! : )
>
>--Dexippus

Hell, yeah! (oops did I say the H word? I suppose we should all get used to
it since that's where we're all headed).

And Reina, Dex speaks truly. We're all very open-minded and open-mouthed
here, and though some of us may disagree with each other, we do still care
for each other, right gang? (I'm playing cybermom now, so listen up and
PLAY NICE!).

Valete,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: Vesta & Venus
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 11:42:49 -0800

Diana/Orbianna wrote:

> Indeed. So, I'm curious... does Vestal celibacy prohibit sexual acts with
> men alone, or does it include intergender sexual relations?

> Iustina Luciania Orbianna
> Gens Luciania
> Citizen of Nova Roma

A vow of Chastity is just that. Being chaste in those days might include the
spouse -- Might. Celibacy is No sex. Nihil, Nada, Nichts. And keepyour
hands outside the covers (I guess).

Pudicita, being pure and chaste in a sacred manner. And, I would think, not
looking for loopholes. Of course, the Romans were into legal harisplitting.
And into being severe with oat-breakers.

One Roman's view.

Ericius

Subject:	Latin for all Occasions
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:58:56 -0500

Salvete omnes!
I was just going through some of my archives when I found this email with
all sorts of modern Latin phrases, which seem quite likely to have been
taken from "Latin for All Occasions." I figured since someone took the time
to type them out, I'd send them your way.

Enjoy!

>
>>Slightly Less Common Latin Phrases
>>Die dulci fruere.
>> Have a nice day.
>>Mihi ignosce. Cum homine de cane debeo congredi.
>> Excuse me. I've got to see a man about a dog.
>>Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et
>>fructuosis potiri potes!
>> If you can read this sign, you can get a good job in the
>>fast-paced, high-paying world of Latin!
>>Sona si Latine loqueris.
>> Honk if you speak Latin.
>>Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum!
>> Don't you dare erase my hard disk!
>>Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum
>>immane mittam.
>> I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an
>>enormous rock at your head.
>>Gramen artificiosum odi.
>> I hate Astroturf.
>>Furnulum pani nolo.
>> I don't want a toaster.
>>Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.
>> I think some people in togas are plotting against me.
>>Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
>> I'm not interested in your dopey religious cult.
>>Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo.
>> Don't call me, I'll call you.
>>Cave ne ante ullas catapultas ambules.
>> If I were you, I wouldn't walk in front of any catapults.
>>Canis meus id comedit.
>> My dog ate it.
>>Illiud Latine dici non potest.
>> You can't say that in Latin.
>>Vidistine nuper imagines moventes bonas?
>> Seen any good movies lately?
>>Nullo metro compositum est.
>> It doesn't rhyme.
>>Non curo. Si metrum non habet, non est poema.
>> I don't care. If it doesn't rhyme, it isn't a poem.
>>Fac ut gaudeam.
>> Make my day.
>>Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam
>>elenganter concinnatur!
>> Those green pants go so well with that pink shirt and the plaid
>>jacket!
>>Visne saltare? Viam Latam Fungosam scio.
>> Do you want to dance? I know the Funky Broadway.
>>Re vera, potas bene.
>> Say, you sure are drinking a lot.
>>Utinam barbari spatium proprium tuum invadant!
>> May barbarians invade your personal space!
>>Utinam coniurati te in foro interficiant!
>> May conspirators assassinate you in the mall!
>>Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
>> May faulty logic undermine your entire philosophy!
>>Radix lecti
>> Couch potato
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>
>

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: Latin for all Occasions
From:	Mia Soderquist tuozine@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:11:27 -0800 (PST)

Thanks... I needed that bit of levity-- getting ready to go to my
mother's house. :)

They do indeed appear to be from Latin For All Occasions...

Now I am going to be forced to actually unpack those boxes in the
corner to see if I can find my copy of that book. I am having the urge
to look through it again.
It is probably a clue to my mindset that I thought that was one of the
funniest books I have ever read. I also laughed aloud at the
"Conversational Klingon" and "Power Klingon" tapes. My husband doesn't
quite get what I find so funny in Latin bumpersticker slogans or pet
commands in Klingon; he just thinks I am nuts. :)

[Oh, no! I have once again revealed myself... I really am a
lingweenie.]

Mia


---Diana/Orbianna --------er--------@-------- wrote:
>
> From: Diana/Orbianna --------er--------@--------
>
> Salvete omnes!
> I was just going through some of my archives when I found this email
with
> all sorts of modern Latin phrases, which seem quite likely to have
been
> taken from "Latin for All Occasions." I figured since someone took
the time
> to type them out, I'd send them your way.
>
> Enjoy!

Subject:	Re: Recreating the Republic
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:14:53 -0500 (EST)

Oh, the cruelties that the non-drinking NR Community levies upon the
revelers of the Holiday. You have my complete sympathies Dex (to the
degree that I shoud be!!)

Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Religio Subscribe
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:24:48 -0500

At 13:47 31/12/98 +0000, you wrote:
>From: Pythia kingan@--------
>
>If you want to subscribe to the Pythia's Religio list go to
>www.onelist.com and apply to
><a href="mailto:religio@--------" >religio@--------</a>
>
Hmmm... Easier said than done evidently. Boy I feel pretty stupid right
now. Can you help me? I can't figure out how to subscribe via the
onelist.com site. I can unsubscribe myself from NR, but I don't want to do
that. I can't find religio anywhere :-(

:-(
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: Kalends of Januarius
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:24:23 -0800 (PST)

Salvete!

Thoughts, meditations, and prayers may now be recorded in the Temple of Mars
<<a href="http://www2.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/culture/myth/mars/marsf" target="_top" >http://www2.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/culture/myth/mars/marsf</a>
rm.htm>.

Valete.

M. Mala Gangalius et Gaia Mala Gangalia
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Mars Society California
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The Martian Time Web Site
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/mars/calendar.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/mars/calendar.htm</a>

The Martian Ministry of Culture
<a href="http://www.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/culture/culture.htm" target="_top" >http://www.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/culture/culture.htm</a>

Bunny Hill (and Catsville Too): Rabbit and Cat Rescue and Adoption
<a href="http://members.xoom.com/mars_ultor/rabbits/html/rabbits.htm" target="_top" >http://members.xoom.com/mars_ultor/rabbits/html/rabbits.htm</a>

The National Primary System
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/primary/primfrm.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/primary/primfrm.htm</a>

World GenWeb Calabria
<a href="http://www.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/calabria/calabria.htm" target="_top" >http://www.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/calabria/calabria.htm</a>

Subject:	Re: FREE TOO ROAM!
From:	anaxarete@--------)
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:28:43 -0600

Salve Orbianna,
lol....I know you all are nice and I will speak up. I'm just a little
shy(I'm not shy off the net, just on the net.) and I don't have much to
say, but that will change. :-)

Happy New Year!!!

Reina
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Subject:	Latin Beginner's Book
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:32:39 -0500 (EST)

Mia Soderquist wrote;-----review a Latin Cassette Course."

Thank you for the review. It looks like a good deal! I return this
inormation, which may be of use on the Back_Alley List:

"How to Insult, Abuse and Insinuate in Classical Latin' 72 pages HB.
from the Past Times Gift Catalg from Great Britain

(Past Times, Oxford, England, NORTH AMEICAN OFFICE, 7201 Intermodal
Drive, Louisvile, KY 40258-2857)

Every issue has a Roman Empire section with some cute but pricey
gifts.

Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Public Trial Venue;
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:01:55 -0500 (EST)

M. Minucius (Audens) to L. Sergius Aust.

I agree that trials (as identified by NR Magistrate(s) iare desirable
for the reasons that you mentioned, Honored Colleague, I do not think,
however, that at the present time we have facilities in place for such.
The Taverna is for a place of relaxation, enjoyment and dealing with
one's friends on a personal basis. To assign that place as the place of
a trial may, in my humble opinion, set the Taverna label in people's
minds as something different than originally envisioned.

I would (with my Honored Colleagues permission) introduce an alternate
path for consideration. A temporary list to which all citizens
responses are cut off during the trial, and a Quaestor (or other
apointed official), appointed to such duty by the Consul, is responsible
for producing a trial report over the temp. list for the period of the
trial. The trial commentary could then be discussed on our other lists
as applicable (probably not o the religio list) as desired. The key
points here being:

---Trial progression available to all NR Citizens;
---Trial Record Available for copy;
---Trial sanctity against personal comment;
---Preservation of Taverna for more enjoyable pursuits.

I thank my Honored Colleague for his patience, in permitting this
alternative view of his discussion. I invite any and all comments to
this alternative selection.

My thanks to my Honored Colleague in permitting this liberty.

In Appreciation
Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Vale MMDCCLI a.u.c.
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:04:40 EST

In a me--------e dated 1/1/99 1:55:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, legion6@--------
writes:

<< 21 April, 753 BCE >>
Alleged to be founded Marius, alledged to be founded. We are not really sure
Q Fabius

Subject:	Re: Deathh in the family
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:24:57 -0500

Hey there, Crys.
I know it's hard right now. Death used to be a hard thing for me to accept
when I was younger. My grandfather and my father died within a year of each
other, the latter being most difficult for me. It wasn't until I had
embraced pagan ideals that the finality of death lessened.

I'll be honest, because this is my story, but I was a fundamentalist when
my father died, and according to all I believed, being that he was an
athiest, he was rotting in Hell for eternity. Well, for a fifteen year old
girl, this is a very difficult thing to accept and move on in life with. I
eventually had to let go of that belief, because it became much too
difficult for me to function as a normal human being holding onto that
thought. I had always been such a good Christian girl, going to church,
saying my prayers, saving myself until marriage, obeying my parents, never
lying under any circumstances, and passing on the Word. I did everything
humanly possible to be the paragon Christian girl. I even moderated my
thoughts so as not to think anything bad, because thinking a sin is the
same as the actual act. And in return, what happens? My parents divorce, my
mother takes me away from my father, she remarries to a man I don't like
(though this has changed now), we move to new places all the time so
whenever I make friends I have to start over again, my stepfather adopts me
and my name changes against my will, losing all my past identity and ties
with my father, my father dies of grief (a heart attack directly resulting
from depression at age 40) and goes to Hell, I'm not allowed to attend my
father's funeral, my relationship with my mother deteriorates, our
relationship becomes abusive, and all this time I'm wondering what I had
ever done to deserve a life of this. I thought I had done everything right.
What could I have done wrong to have been the recipient of God's wrath? Why
was my father rotting in Hell when he was a good man who loved me? I wanted
so badly to talk to him again, but my mother wouldn't let me (which was not
legal, by the way), and when I'd made the choice to go anyway when I was
eighteen, just three years away, God took him away and sent him to Hell.
Why? Other fifteen year old girls were not so unhappy and they did *bad*
things. Sure God never gives us a cross to heavy to bear... or does he? I
wished he would just take me away, because I was miserable. Suicide wasn't
an option, because it's murder, which is a sin.
Well, I didn't expect to ramble on like this Crys, but my point is that
eventually I slid away from Fundementalism, and in college I began to
embrace pagan philosophies. I learned that death is not an end, but a new
beginning, just like the cycles of the year, just like the cycles of the
Moon. All things are cyclical. We die only to be reborn into another form,
physical or otherwise. My father and I have unfinished business. We were
never allowed to express our love to each other, and I firmly believe that
it can be done again in this lifetime. I believe he will be born to me as
one of my children so we can do it again right this time.
So Crys, just remember, as we grieve the absence of the person in our life
who moves onto the Summerland, that person is never far from us (remember
the Lares), and it was time for him to move onto better things. It's a time
to celebrate as well. Generally it's thought that souls travel in cohorts
throughout multiple lives, so we often reacquaint ourselves with people
we've known before. Thus love at first sight, and also that uncanny
familiarity you feel with certain individuals. It's all theory of course,
but hey. I'm sure this is a topic for the new religio list, but since I'm
not on it yet, and this request of Crys for support was on this list, I
wish to give her my support as I well as I can. You're not alone.

Vale,
Orbianna


At 10:41 30/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>From: Ameth--------a Cr--------llina aicr--------...
>
>This didn't go through before....one too many 'o's in nova
>roma.....great flippin day i'm having, really
>
>Salvete all,
>
>I just found out that my favorite uncle died. He was diabetic and
>obese and many other things, so his death was not a surprise, but at
>the same time it was, if you know what I mean.
>
>My mother and uncle (at least) will be going to New York to see about
>arrangements.
>
>I know this is off of the NR path anyway, whiich seems to be a big
>deal these days, but I wanted to let people know. I'm pretty upset by
>the news, yet trying not to let my upset show to Terry. It's not all
>that easy. So I posted to my 2 main groups hoping for support. The
>people in the branches of the NR tree should mostly be still on this
>main list (although I have heard of peoplle considering unsubbing from
>it -- myself included) and I hope that there might still be some
>sympathy from the main.
>
>I'm sorry if I sound snippy or bitter or whatever, I just .. well, I
>guess grief brings out the worst in me.
>
>If you can give support I would appreciate it. I am taking this
>harder than I thought I would. The death was not unexpected, but ...
>well, he WAS my favorite uncle and I will miss him.
>
>Before I start crying....
>Valete,
>
>
>
>
>
>==
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Subject:	Re: Put your face in the Eagle!
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:31:34 -0500

At 22:26 30/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: m--------oon m--------oon@--------
>Patricia has a new scanner and so do I -- both of us have turned into
>scannin' freaks! (I've been known to try to scan my guinea pig - not a
>picture, the actual pig!)
>
>Remember that Crys has pictures of Nova Romans on her website, and the
>EAGLE (that bargain at only $5 a year!) is now running the Nova Roma
>Gallery -- pix of Cives. So send me some as .jpg files or send me your
>pic with a SASE and I'll scan it and return it. No racy shots, please!
>And be advised that if you send pics to the list, I'll shamelessly copy
>them for the next issue.
>
Salve,
You can get a shot of me off my website, but I don't have anything in Roman
garb as of yet.

Vale,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: End of Consulship Address... :)
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:29:18 -0500 (EST)

Your efforts have been much appreciated by both the Nova Roma Citizenery
and myself alike. You have demonstrated a grasp of the Strategic
evaluation of the micro-nation as a whole, and yet you have not
relinquished your solid understanding of the individuals and their
needs.

You have demonstrated the willingness to give your badly neded personal
attentions to Nova Roma in what could have been real crises, and you
have been a sort of bastion to whom al could retire wen things got a
little rough. For my humble few months of asociation with you, I could
not have asked for a more concerned and informative mentor.

My dear sir; you have in my humble opinion personified the station that
you held in the first year of NR's creation and in doing so have
setstandards for that station as significant and hard to follow as any
I have ever witnessed personally.

I wish to thank you for your efforts towards myself and towards the
mcro-nation in which I am honored to hold a Citizenship!!!

I therefore give you my unabashed admiration for a job well done and
three Ave's in appreciation of your efforts:

AVE!!!!!!! AVE!!!!!!!!! AVE!!!!!!!!!!

Marcus Miucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Kalends of Januarius
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:57:12 -0500

At 09:56 01/01/99 EST, you wrote:
>From: Nov------------------------
>
>As our new magistrates take office, it is worthwhile to remember that this
was
>a festival day in ancient Rome. H.H. Scullard's "Festivals and Ceremonies of
>the Roman Republic" quotes Ovid:
>
>"In spotless garments the procession wends to the Tarpeian towers. Now the
>people wear the color of the festival day; and now new rods of office lead
the
>way, new purple gleams, and a new weight is felt by the far-seen ivory chair.
>... When from his citadel Jupiter looks abroad on the whole globe, naught but
>the Roman Empire meets his eye."
>
>May Jupiter bless Nova Roma with strength, wisdom and virtue.
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus and Patricia Cassia
>
>
Salvete!
Yes! Today is sacred to Jupiter and Juno as well as the god, Janus. Today
is also a day of offering to the Roman goddess, Fortuna, of women, fortune,
and fertility. So say a blessing or two, maybe make an offering, and
welcome the New Year!
Today is also the full moon. I'll be paying my respects to Diana tonight
with my partner in crime. I wish you all the best!

Valete and Bright Blessings,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: Religio Subscribe
From:	SDmtwi@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:51:50 EST

Salve, Orbianna.

> Hmmm... Easier said than done evidently. Boy I feel pretty stupid right
> now. Can you help me? I can't figure out how to subscribe via the
> onelist.com site. I can unsubscribe myself from NR, but I don't want to do
> that. I can't find religio anywhere :-(

It took me a lot of searching to find the religio list. Here's how I finally
did it. When you click on "Find a List" on the top left hand side of
onelist's main page, that'll take you to a page with a search option at the
top. Type "religio nova roma" in the space provided and hit the "Search"
button. That should get you to a page that displays text about this list and
the religio list. Click on "religio." From there, it should be pretty self-
explanatory.

Vale,
T. Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	Re: Religio Subscribe
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:18:54 -0500

At 16:51 01/01/99 EST, you wrote:
>From: SDmtwi@--------
>
>Salve, Orbianna.
>It took me a lot of searching to find the religio list. Here's how I finally
>did it. When you click on "Find a List" on the top left hand side of
>onelist's main page, that'll take you to a page with a search option at the
>top. Type "religio nova roma" in the space provided and hit the "Search"
>button. That should get you to a page that displays text about this list and
>the religio list. Click on "religio." From there, it should be pretty self-
>explanatory.
>
Yay! Thanks! That worked just fine.

Vale and Bright Blessings,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:13:44 -0500 (EST)

To all my Nova Roma Friends, I extend the hope of a Happy New Year to
you all and to wish for your individual success in your various areas of
endeavor. I want to make a single News Year's Resolution as well, I
believe that the one note below will keep me busy for some time to come;

---I Marcus Minucius Audens resolve to attempt to the best of my ability
to forward the "Agree to Disagree" idea to it's logical pinnacle of
usage in dealing with fellow Nova Romans.

Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor
Military Tribune

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Oath of Office
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:23:56 -0800 (PST)

Salvere iubeo,

I Avidius Tullius Callidus do hereby solmnly swear to uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, to always act in the best interests of the people and
the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Avidius Tullius Callidus swear to do
honor to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings and to
persue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I Avidius Tullius Callidus further swear to fulfill the obligations
and responsibilities of the office of Tribune of the People to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a citizen on Nova Roma and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor I do
accept the position of Tribune of the People and all the rights,
privilages, obligations and responsibilities attendant thereto.






==
Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Tribune of the People

Subject:	Re: Religio Subscribe
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:29:49 -0600 (CST)

Salve, Luciana Orbianna...and anyone else in the same fix:

>>Can you help me? I can't figure out how to subscribe via the
>>onelist.com site.

I found it by hitting the 'New Lists' link on the left-hand frame (same
one that has the Search option). Recently-created Lists will then
appear in alphabetical order.

Hope this helps...
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Subject:	Re: Public Trial Venue;
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:31:25 EST

Salve Marcus Minucius,

Your idea sounds workable as well. I understand the Praetor Urbanis'
reasons for handling the most recent matter as he did. As the issue of
guilt was not in question, a trial was not necessary to determine guilt.
It was handled neatly and cleanly.

I do agree with those who have called for the necessary preparations to
be made for the Comitii (proper plural?) to function when need in the
future.

Vale,
L. Sergius Aust.

>M. Minucius (Audens) to L. Sergius Aust.
>
>I agree that trials (as identified by NR Magistrate(s) iare desirable
>for the reasons that you mentioned, Honored Colleague, I do not think,
>however, that at the present time we have facilities in place for such.
>The Taverna is for a place of relaxation, enjoyment and dealing with
>one's friends on a personal basis. To assign that place as the place of
>a trial may, in my humble opinion, set the Taverna label in people's
>minds as something different than originally envisioned.
>
>I would (with my Honored Colleagues permission) introduce an alternate
>path for consideration. A temporary list to which all citizens
>responses are cut off during the trial, and a Quaestor (or other
>apointed official), appointed to such duty by the Consul, is responsible
>for producing a trial report over the temp. list for the period of the
>trial. The trial commentary could then be discussed on our other lists
>as applicable (probably not o the religio list) as desired. The key
>points here being:
>
>---Trial progression available to all NR Citizens;
>---Trial Record Available for copy;
>---Trial sanctity against personal comment;
>---Preservation of Taverna for more enjoyable pursuits.
>
>I thank my Honored Colleague for his patience, in permitting this
>alternative view of his discussion. I invite any and all comments to
>this alternative selection.
>
>My thanks to my Honored Colleague in permitting this liberty.
>
>In Appreciation
>Marcus Minucius Audens

Subject:	Re: Vale MMDCCLI a.u.c.
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:40:36 -0800

SFP55@-------- wrote:

> << 21 April, 753 BCE >>
> Alleged to be founded Marius, alledged to be founded. We are not really sure
> Q Fabius
>

Okay. It never happened. There never was a Rome. There is no hard eveidence. What
does a bunch of broken stuff and writing prove? Nothing.
Happy?

<VBEG> (Hahahahaha-hehehehehehehe)

AVE ROMA IMMORTALIS!

"If Rome never existed, we would dream of her." [who said that?]


Valem o figments!

Ericius

Subject:	Re: Some questions from me
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:08:00 -0500

Salvete Amethystia Iunia et alii

:In talking about my uncles death and what they plan to 'do with him' with
my mom, I couldn't help but wonder what the Romans did with themselves when
they died. Burial? Cremation?

I think that cremation was the norm, although some people were buried.
:
Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Recreating the Republic
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:16:12 -0500

Salvete Dexippe et alii



:From: Dexippus@--------
:

:I would still like our founders, senate, and consuls to publically settle
this
:debate with a straight forward answer as I feel it still divides us to this
:day and will continue to do so until it goes answered in a public forum and
:recorded for future posterity.

It has divided us, divides us and will continue to do so. Irregardless of
what anyone says, including the Consuls. It seems to me that you should not
be bothered by this, so long as the aim and focus of Nova Roma does not
stray; so far, I do not see that it has strayed.

Just because someone in Nova Roma may from time to time express an opinion
that Religio Romana is not at the top of his/her agenda, does not mean that
the goals of Nova Roma have been compromised.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus
:
:--Dexippus
:

Subject:	Re: Marconius'Catholic post
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:32:16 -0500

Salvete Orbianna et alii




:From: Diana/Orbianna --------er--------@--------
:

: I believe that there are certain duties that we must uphold in order to
:keep what is sacred to us. What I meant by protection did not in any way
:mean that the Gods are not able to fend for themselves, but if I recall
:correctly there was an event in history when Constantine embraced
:Christianity and thereafter for the next thousand plus years, pagans were
:forcefully converted by threat of death and much of the ancient knowledge
:that we once held sacred has been forever cast in shadow, possibly never to
:be retrieved.

Well, I think that your overall point here is valid, although one should
note that it was not Constantine himself who initiated persecution of
followers of other religions. He himself worshipped some other solar deity,
probably Sol Invictus.

Subject:	Pie was Re: An end to Marconius & presents
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:35:01 -0500

Salvete Orbianna et alii



:From: Diana/Orbianna --------er--------@--------
:

: Tell me more about this chocolate cream pie... mmmm.
:
:
It is very chocolatey, and very creamy. We still have about 2/3 of it left.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Recreating the Republic
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:38:23 -0500

Salvete Caie Druse et alii

I know that "me too" posts are frowned upon, but I just could not resist.
Well said indeed!


From: dean6886@-------- (Dean Troy)

Actually Dex I don't think its necessary to draw the line between
black and white and state a one true purpose of Nova Roma. All are
welcome yes but as long as noone interferes or tampers with the growth
of the Religio Romana or vice versa would try to expel citizens by hook
or crook for being let's say just here to make friends and have an
interest in micronationalism mixed with Roman culture - I don't think we
have a problem. We are all enhancing Nova Roma by enthusiastically
establishing a broad base within Nova Roma.

Subject:	Re: Toga
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:46:22 -0500

Salvete Marce Minuci et alii

Thanks so much for this information. Your quotes put a lot of information
together and help me to make sense of it all.




Reference:

Handbook to Life In Ancient Rome--Lesley Adkins and Roy Adkins-Facts On
File; N.Y.-NY
--1994.

Darn! Another book that I'll have to acquire.

A last comment about togas on campagn; I do not see it as imposible that
the Legion Legate and his senior officers would be required to wear the
toga on state occasions receiving honored personages or participating in
religious rituals or festivals.

Yes, this does make sense. I just never thought that they would have gone
through all the trouble of packing, transporting and caring for the togae.
But apparently they did.

Very Respectfully

Marcus Minucius Audens


Gratefully

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Latin for all Occasions
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:39:34 -0500

Salvete Mia et alii

Mia, is that your Roman name?



:From: Mia Soderquist tuozine@--------
:
:Thanks... I needed that bit of levity-- getting ready to go to my
:mother's house. :)
:
:
: [Oh, no! I have once again revealed myself... I really am a
:lingweenie.]
:
:Mia
:
:
You're not alone. I am reasonably fluent in Russian, but, with no other
Russian speakers around me at home, can sometimes be heard talking to the
cat and dog in Russian, cursing in Russian etc.

I studied Spanish and Italian enough that I was able to speak on at least a
childish level at one time, but I have lost pretty much all of those
languages. Even worse is my retention of Greek.

But I remain one of those...a "lingweenie".

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Vesta & Venus
From:	missmoon missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:36:09 -0500

Diana/Orbianna wrote:
>
>
> Indeed. So, I'm curious... does Vestal celibacy prohibit sexual acts with
> men alone, or does it include intergender sexual relations?
>
Hmmm...what'd ya have in mind? (should have posted THAT comment on the
Back Alley list!)

Actually, this is such a good question and brings up such a baroque
answer that I'll post a full explanation later about the historical
nuances of what was considered "sex" for a Vestal and Roman women in
particular. Actually, I think I'll put the full version in this month's
NEW IMPROVED AND EXPANDED EAGLE.

But there's no loophole whatsoever for sex with men. No. None. Nada.
Those thirty years must have seemed REAL long at times, especially when
a Vestal reached her 20s. One can only hope that the preceeding 10 years
of indoctrination had kicked in by then. No hugging or kissing guys,
either, even in familial affection with her brothers or father.

As to sex with other women..I have never run into any record of a Vestal
being tried for this. (If anyone else has, let me know the source.) With
Rome's open attitude, I can't imagine anyone being prosecuted for sex
with their own gender, especially two women. For the average Roman
woman, I doubt that anyone cared: sex between women wasn't even
considered adultery. And what transpired in the Domus Vestales never
reached the outside world.

Nova Roma Vestals, on the other hand, are not prohibited from hugging
and affectionate kissy-face between friends -- not given the huggy
nature of modern pagans. If we were, I'd have been underground long ago
and a couple of Nova Roman guys would have been flogged to death (the
usual punishments). As for relations with women, I didn't even put it in
the formal proposal, but it DOES say that a Vestal will keep a vow of
chastity for the duration of her term. Not "virginity" but "chastity."
Big difference, as we haven't yet had a real, honest to Vesta, certified
Nova Roman virgin volunteer for the Vestal Order. You can't vow to keep
what's already gone, but you can vow not to do it for a year.

Nova Roma's Vestals must: 1) have not produced a child, 2)not be
married, engaged or living in a conjugal relationship with a man during
her service to Vesta, 3)be willing to keep a vow of chastity for her
duration of service. Nova Roma's Vestals serve for one year, April to
April.

This is probably one of the toughest priesthoods in Nova Roma. Unless
one wishes to be a eunuch priest of Magna Mater. And Bellona's priests
have no picnic, either -- they have to be ex-gladiators who SURVIVED!

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Vesta & Venus
From:	Crystal Brewton aicrys@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:44:17 -0600

Hi missmoon, you wrote on 1/1/99 6:36:09 PM:

>
>Nova Roma's Vestals must: 1) have not produced a child, 2)not be
>married, engaged or living in a conjugal relationship with a man during
>her service to Vesta, 3)be willing to keep a vow of chastity for her
>duration of service. Nova Roma's Vestals serve for one year, April to
>April.
>
>This is probably one of the toughest priesthoods in Nova Roma. Unless
>one wishes to be a eunuch priest of Magna Mater. And Bellona's priests
>have no picnic, either -- they have to be ex-gladiators who SURVIVED!
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
>

ROFL.....I had ALMOST considered the Vestials. I didn't realise the
limitations (th not having a child part, not the celibacy part), but
somehow I didn't think it would look quite right, a pregnant Vestal <G>.

BTW......what does NR consider a eunuch? Would being vacetomied (I KNOW
it's spelled wrong...I can't figure out this stupid spell checker) count.
I woould dare say it's the closet we may ever get.

Yup, I remember the big Vestial debate....didn't some woman unsub or give
up her citixenship cause she thought she'd have to give up her daughter to
Vesta forever?? Gee, this isn't the Catholic Church!!!!

hehehehehe......maybe this DOES belong in the Back <G>


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Subject:	Re: Latin Beginner's Book
From:	Mia Soderquist tuozine@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:17:10 -0800 (PST)

---James Mathe--------math669642reng@-------- --------e:
>
> "How to Insult, Abuse and Insinuate in Classical Latin' 72 pages HB.
> from the Past Times Gift Catalg from Great Britain

Now this looks like a book that I need. Desperately. Umm.... For
research purposes. Yeah. That's it.

Well, I'd at least like to know when I am being insulted. :)

AH, Just another reminder that Latin was once a language spoken by
*people*...

Mia

Subject:	Re: Toga - on Campaign (mixed with humor)
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:31:09 -0800

Gaius Marius Merullus wrote:

> A last comment about togas on campagn; I do not see it as imposible that
> the Legion Legate and his senior officers would be required to wear the
> toga on state occasions receiving honored personages or participating in
> religious rituals or festivals.
>
> Yes, this does make sense. I just never thought that they would have gone
> through all the trouble of packing, transporting and caring for the togae.
> But apparently they did.
>
> Very Respectfully
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Gratefully
>
> Gaius Marius Merullus

8< snippersY'all can have the next last word.The idea that they didn't take
their togae with them does not take into account that they did not have to
carry their stuff. They had other people to transport Whatever they wanted to
have with them. They didn''t even have to Pack, for the love of whatever
deity! The upper class Victorian gentleman soldier would be a better
comparison than any of the military experiences Nova Romans might have had.
Riding uniform, dress uniform, dinner uniform, pith helmet, dress shako,
forage cap, and the frock coat and smoking jacket and ...Gods (sigh) I can't
even conceive of what all Major Harry Flashman took with him to India. I've
read a horrible lot of military history and I know I do not begin to know what
all the Royal Army gentry took with them. And then they picked up more when
they were there. Reference to Roma? Think of all the art treasures that were
brought back. Think of the mosaic floor C. Julius Caesar had for the floor of
his tent. So what's one toga more? It'll impress the natives. And it did.
AT least according to the Roman histories. For all we know the natives
laughed at the guys wrapped in over sized blankets.

Someday I want a white one with a purple stripe and the red shoes with the
funny buckles and a gold laurel wreath. There's one of these in a nearby
museum and friends have told me I leave a drool puddle in front of the case.
Next will come the Toga Palmata. But I will exercise Humilitas and bide my
time. [gee. I hope I haven't got myself in trouble!]

C. Aelius Ericius
(only) Postprepraetor of California
and other stuff

Subject:	Re: Toga - on Campaign (mixed with humor)
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:50:23 -0500

Salvete Caie Aeli et alii



:From: Raz-------- raz--------@--------
:
:
:
The idea that they didn't take
:their togae with them does not take into account that they did not have to
:carry their stuff. They had other people to transport Whatever they wanted
to
:have with them. They didn''t even have to Pack, for the love of whatever
:deity

Even though the tribunus did not carry his own things (but, in earlier
armies, do you not think it probable that they did?), someone had to carry
them, or some horse had to draw a wagon, or whatever. My point is that to
carry one's personal affects about would have added a lot of baggage that
one would think the legions' commanders would not have wanted to move about
with them.

If I were a Roman commander, I would rather be able to move my men fast and
far, to surprise an enemy or at least keep them guessing, than to have a lot
of baggage with me, just so that I could impress the locals with our fancy
togae and brill cream.

I am still puzzled.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Oath of Office, Consul, Annus MMDCCII Consulorum L , Equitius Cincinnatus et D Iunius Palladius
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:47:35 -0500 (EST)

Oath of Office

I, Decius Iunius Palladius, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma,
I, Decius Iunius Palladius, swear to do honor to the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Decius Iunius Palladius further swear to fulfill the obligations
and responsibilities of the office of Consul to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Consul and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Decius Iunius Palladius



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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca


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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: Some questions from me
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:05:25 -0500 (EST)

In partial answer to your questions about burials:

Burial:
Thr Romans either buried thier dead (inhumation), or burned them
(cremation). Cremation replaced inhumation by the late republic and
remained the dominant rite until the mid-3rd century, when inhumation
became most common. At all times however, both rites above were
practiced. To avoid religious pollution, most burials were in
cemetaries outside towns, often beside roads. Some cemetaries must have
contained thousands of burials.
Reference:
"Handbook To Ancient Life In Rome"; L. and R.Adkins, Facts On File, New
York, NY--1994

Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Toga - on Campaign )
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:51:19 -0500 (EST)

I believe that you are thinking as a 20th century man. Officers and
Enlisted equality and all that noncence. Although my character
impression of a British Royal Engineer does not approve of Sir Harry
Flashman, he is a contemporary. As an officer (Brevet Major) of the
Queen (1st Captain Ian McKay, British Royal Corps of Engineers at your
service; heel click and a touch of the swagger stick pommel to the
eyebrow!!!) Addressing a Captain of Federal Supply, "I will assure you,
Sirrah, that what I decide to take in my "kit" will not be determined
by your lot of Continental Militiah, further what I am ordered to carry
on campaign by my Briish Commander is not Bloody concern of yours."

Now take snot-nose just above, change the English twang to Latin and you
have a good idea of a Roman Tribune on campaign. He knew (did not hope,
Knew) that whatever baggage wagons and asigned Legionaires would be
needed would be provided. His personal slaves and orderly packed his
uniforms and kit (Brillcream and all), unpacked them and put them away.
They raised his tent on the spot secified for him by the Legion
Commander, took it doen and packed again. There was no practical limit
to his baggage and if the Legate gave the command for a certain uniform
or equipment, the officer went into debt to get it, and turned it over
to his orderly(s). The same occurs today. In 1967 my ship went to
Spain as a submarine station ship. Part of our cruise was a side trip
to Amsterdam. In order to get to Amsterdam one has to transit a long
canal. The officers and chiefs were ordered to equip themselves with
uniform overcoats to man the side during our trip through the canal.
Since we were at the time stationed in Charleston S. Carolina, not many
of the chiefs or officers had a Uniform Overcoat so the Uniform Shop had
to order about 110 coats and they were delivered by Navy Cargo Airlift
in Lisbon, Portugal just three days prior to our entrance into the
canal. The ship went from Amsterdam to Spain, and I never wore the coat
again.

In an army on campaign the Tribunes and other senior officers rode
behind the lead legion with their baggage and ahead of the following
legions (Connolly) and in his drawings of an army on the march the
senior officers and their baggage could take up a length of 3-5 miles
approximately. When they reached their destinations (a fortress) the
tribunes baggage was stored in his house built by the legion builders.

Subject:	Oath of Office
From:	"Gaius Triumphius" poeticfiend@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:36:12 PST

Oath of Office


I, Gaius Triumphius Cicero do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and
the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Triumphius Cicero swear to do
honor to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Triumphius Cicero further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Praetor to the best of my abilities.


On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Praetor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

- Gaius Triumphius Cicero

Subject:	Oath of Office
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:18:25 -0800

Oath of Office

I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor
of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and
the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla swear to do
honor to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Praetor to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Praetor Urbanis and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.