Subject:	Happy Birthday!
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 09:30:01 +0000

Happy Birthday to Minervina Iucundia Flavia!!

Best, Pythia

Subject:	Re: Happy Birthday!
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 10:48:11 +0000

Crystal Brewton wrote:


> >
> >Happy Birthday to Minervina Iucundia Flavia!!
> >
> >Best, Pythia
> >
>
> Thank the gods we have Pythia!!!! I honestly forgot. I'm sorry hon. Same
> from the 3 (2 and 3/4?) of us!!!!!!!!!!!
>

NO no...thank Them, that we have Minervina. She posted the birthday list
on the Bulliten Board!


Pythia

Subject:	Re: YOO HOO!!!! Still a question!!!!!!!
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 15:27:47 +0000

Crystal Brewton wrote:
>
> Salvete --
>
> I asked, I think Dex asked. Maybe I just missed the post or something.
> Maybe I am just paranoid. Maybe I am simply being ignored.

<snip>

> What the hell is Nova Roma??

You're not being ignored...you're just expected to read the Website!!:

> We are nothing less than a sovereign
> nation; an attempt to re-create the best of classical pagan Rome (with a
> few compromises to modern times)


Why is that so hard to understand?


Pythia

Subject:	Re: Off-topic & just for fun
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:55:21 +0000

Hedy Lamarr. Now what do I win?

Pythia

missmoon wrote:
>
> From: m--------oon <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
>
> I found the most interesting movie star info this morning.
>
> In 1942, a prominent movie star and composer George Antheil invented and
> patented a communications system called Spread Spectrum that became the
> basis for cellular phone, fax and wireless technology. Who was it?
>
> 1) Peter Lorre
> 2) Hedy Lamarr
> 3) Leslie Howard
> 4) Eva Marie Saint
>
> Any guesses? I realize you oldies will probably recognize these more
> quickly!
>
> -- Flavia Claudia
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Subject:	Re: Off-topic & just for fun
From:	m--------oon <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:24:11 -0500

Pythia wrote:
>
> From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
>
> Hedy Lamarr. Now what do I win?
>
You win a cell phone, and without Hedy, there would BE no cell phones,
fax machines or other telecom annoyances!

How'd ya know?

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Pie was Re: An end to Marconius & presents
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:47:43 -0500

At 17:35 01/01/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
>: Tell me more about this chocolate cream pie... mmmm.
>:
>:
>It is very chocolatey, and very creamy. We still have about 2/3 of it left.
>
Hey, send some of that this way, would you? ;-)


Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: Vesta & Venus
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:53:23 -0500

At 19:36 01/01/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: m--------oon <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
>
>Diana/Orbianna wrote:
>> Indeed. So, I'm curious... does Vestal celibacy prohibit sexual acts with
>> men alone, or does it include intergender sexual relations?
>>
>Hmmm...what'd ya have in mind? (should have posted THAT comment on the
>Back Alley list!)
<laugh> I'd thought of that, but I wasn't on that list yet, and I also
thought of numerous ways in which to qualify or justify the question as I
was phrasing it. Instead I ended up just writing the damned thing. In the
end I thought it was from an intellectual perspective and not truly of Back
Alley nature, so there it is, and here is your wonderful response!

>Actually, this is such a good question and brings up such a baroque
>answer that I'll post a full explanation later about the historical
>nuances of what was considered "sex" for a Vestal and Roman women in
>particular. Actually, I think I'll put the full version in this month's
>NEW IMPROVED AND EXPANDED EAGLE.
>
>But there's no loophole whatsoever for sex with men. No. None. Nada.
>Those thirty years must have seemed REAL long at times, especially when
>a Vestal reached her 20s. One can only hope that the preceeding 10 years
>of indoctrination had kicked in by then. No hugging or kissing guys,
>either, even in familial affection with her brothers or father.
>
>As to sex with other women..I have never run into any record of a Vestal
>being tried for this. (If anyone else has, let me know the source.) With
>Rome's open attitude, I can't imagine anyone being prosecuted for sex
>with their own gender, especially two women. For the average Roman
>woman, I doubt that anyone cared: sex between women wasn't even
>considered adultery. And what transpired in the Domus Vestales never
>reached the outside world.
>
>Nova Roma Vestals, on the other hand, are not prohibited from hugging
>and affectionate kissy-face between friends -- not given the huggy
>nature of modern pagans. If we were, I'd have been underground long ago
>and a couple of Nova Roman guys would have been flogged to death (the
>usual punishments). As for relations with women, I didn't even put it in
>the formal proposal, but it DOES say that a Vestal will keep a vow of
>chastity for the duration of her term. Not "virginity" but "chastity."
>Big difference, as we haven't yet had a real, honest to Vesta, certified
>Nova Roman virgin volunteer for the Vestal Order. You can't vow to keep
>what's already gone, but you can vow not to do it for a year.
>
>Nova Roma's Vestals must: 1) have not produced a child, 2)not be
>married, engaged or living in a conjugal relationship with a man during
>her service to Vesta, 3)be willing to keep a vow of chastity for her
>duration of service. Nova Roma's Vestals serve for one year, April to
>April.
>
>This is probably one of the toughest priesthoods in Nova Roma. Unless
>one wishes to be a eunuch priest of Magna Mater. And Bellona's priests
>have no picnic, either -- they have to be ex-gladiators who SURVIVED!

Thank you so much, Flavia Claudia, for your informative response. This is
an excellent post.

Vale,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
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Subject:	Re: To all Citizens of Rome! Please Read!
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 01:00:34 -0500

At 05:35 02/01/99 EST, you wrote:
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
>SALVETE!!
>
>No doubt you will have heard of Fannius' ridiculous fine and
>punishment. What does this tell us, citizens of Rome?
>It tells me that if you practice the Religio, you can threaten
>Christian citizens with impunity as long as you apologize after
>the fact. Let us face it. When Citizen Marconis attacked our
>institution did some not strike back without violence? Several citizens
>used well turned words, others mocked him, but did any save Fannius
>threaten him? I read his post. He did with the prosecution of death.
>"Just like the Christians of old" he threatened. And he made that
>his main point of his proclamation!! He did break our Laws and
>was "punished" for it.
>
>Very Well. So now I hear he was just defending our nation. I
>have had run ins with Chrismatics before. No good would come of
>answering his rhetoric, and in fact would only do harm. We were
>not going to change this man. No matter what we said.
>
>So this shows perhaps immaturity on my part? Hardly! I knew our
>Gods and Goddesses did not need defending. They were not
>bothered by cheap attacks, they have been around longer then the
>Christian God, and probably know of him well. Marconis did not
>deface our temples. He did not break into our websites and erase
>them. Our nation was under no physical threat as far as I could
>see. He did break our Laws, and was PUNISHED for it.
>
>So now we have set up a double standard here in our Rome. We
>tolerate Christians and the beliefs because that is what Rome
>does. It is one of our cornerstones of our structure.
>But this ruling allows us to attack any of them as we see fit AS
>LONG AS WE BELIEVE WE HAVE JUSTIFICATION AND WE APOLOGIZE
>AFTERWARDS!! We are just defending our state. This means you Christian and
>non believing members better be on your best behavior, least you run afoul of
>us.
>
>Citizens, we can't live this way. There is no tolerance here,
>only patience, and how long before that patience runs out?
>The Roman citizens deserve protection under Roman Law. All
>Citizens. The Law must be the same for all, otherwise we should
>just ban the Christians now.
>
>There is nothing to be done now about Fannius, the moving hand
>has written and we cannot undo it. But we CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN
>AGAIN!! I call on the Magistrates to began drafting and
>implementing a series of Lex Data to supplement the Mores
>Maiorum, so citizens no longer need to suffer "in iure" with
>uncertain penalties.
>
>I also call on the Magistrates to condemn Fannius' action, to
>proclaim that he was NOT acting in the best interests of the
>state, no matter what he claims, instead he acted in his own
>personal interest, and if his example of intolerence is committed
>by another citizen, it will not again be accepted as "just one of
>those things" in Roman Law.

<sigh> You know, he's right. I admit it. It's just that Fannius happened to
be a part of the majority in his opinion (though I'm sure most of ours
didn't include thoughts of death). We really do need to set up the laws so
that this sort of situation does not happen again. We should all keep our
tongues in check should this happen in the future and just initiate formal
charges. The rest can be left up to due process.

Thoughts?

Valete,
Orbianna

Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
Citizen of Nova Roma

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Subject:	Re: YOO HOO!!!! Still a question!!!!!!!
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 01:10:58 -0500

At 15:27 03/01/99 +0000, you wrote:
>From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
>
>> What the hell is Nova Roma??
>
>You're not being ignored...you're just expected to read the Website!!:
>
>> We are nothing less than a sovereign
>> nation; an attempt to re-create the best of classical
pagan Rome (with a
>> few compromises to modern times)
>
>
>Why is that so hard to understand?
It hasn't been hard to understand, Pythia. Some of us, including me, were
reading posts that said this was merely a place for Roman reconstruction,
that's all folks. When there are citizens who believe that and state that,
saying that the pagan part has little importance, then people like myself
and Crys start to wonder about the status here and if we truly belong. So,
it's not in response to Crys's post that a question such as "why is this so
hard to understand?" should be added.

Vale,
Orbianna (just trying to put things into perspective and protect the
feelings of others)


Iustina Luciania Orbianna
Gens Luciania
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Subject:	Re: Off-topic & just for fun
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:28:55 -0500 (EST)

On Sat, 2 Jan 1999, missmoon wrote:

> From: m--------oon <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
>
> I found the most interesting movie star info this morning.
>
> In 1942, a prominent movie star and composer George Antheil invented and
> patented a communications system called Spread Spectrum that became the
> basis for cellular phone, fax and wireless technology. Who was it?
>
> 1) Peter Lorre
> 2) Hedy Lamarr
> 3) Leslie Howard
> 4) Eva Marie Saint
>
> Any guesses? I realize you oldies will probably recognize these more
> quickly!

Hedy Lamarr.

Palladius

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Subject:	Acknowledgement to all Citizens of Rome!
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:18:41 EST

Salvete Citizens!!

Twenty-four hours has past since I made my proclamation.
I would wish to acknowledge and thank everybody for the scores of e-
mails private and public expressing support for my statements.
And to those who disagreed with me, I wish to thank you as well.
Such a passionate response bodes very well for the continued
growth and eventual realization of our collective goals here at
Nova Roma.

As long as we hold to this passionate course, there is nothing that cannot be
accomplished. Never forget this. Now I will retire from the
Forum and return to my Villa and books in Desert Hot Springs, and
obscurity.

Valete!
May Fortuna preserve our Republic!

Q Fabius Maximus.
Paterfamilias 

Subject:	Greetings
From:	"<a href="/p--------n----------------pr--------tID=194158235237017198172218065036129208" >rclaven@--------</a>" rclaven@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 20:52:47 +1100

I'm not entirely sure if this is appropriate but I wanted to just say a
quick hello. I am so new here that I haven't even made it to the gentes
website but I am here none the less. So, greetings all!

Be well.
Cn Pompieus Licinius

Subject:	Military Tribune's Toga on Campaign
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 05:28:15 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Q. Fabius;

My Learned Friend, No, I did not know that you have studied the Roman
Army for 22 years But I am most impressed upon learning of it.

I accept your detailed research concerning the use of the toga as
correct and most enlighting, and I appaud your efforts in your research
involving such a limited topic (tribunes' Togas).

Your point regarding Senators acting as envoys in the field wearing a
toga, and I apologize if you thought that I was referencing a ficticious
19th century character. I was trying to make a point also but
apparently I did so badly.

My comment which has been repeated in several posts was, "I do not see
it as impossible that the legion legate or his senior officers would be
reqired to wear a toga on state occasions____" I still do not see this
as impossible, but your excellent research, which I appreciate greatly
would seem to indicate that it was, at the very least, not a common
occurance.

I now have a better understanding of the situation having shared in the
benefit of your detailed knowledge of the subject. Your emphasis
relating to the "toga on the hook" was very enlightening as well

Vale, In appreciaton;

Marcus Minucius Audens.

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Greetings
From:	Asseri@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:06:26 EST

In a message dated 1/3/99 4:50:34 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/p--------n----------------pr--------tID=194158235237017198172218065036129208" >rclaven@--------</a> writes:

<< So, greetings all!

Be well.
Cn Pompieus Licinius
>>
Salve!!
Welcome Licinius I do welcome you with a goodly bowl of fine Roman pourrage
(it very cold and snowing where I am) and a warm cup of honey and spiced
wine!


vale
P.A. Olivia

Subject:	Re: the Declarations
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:13:27 -0500

Salvete Quinte Poppaee et alii



:From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=000154235007078134036098066248147208071048" >Oplonti--------...</--------;
:

:into East and West ? Which reminds me - there are a number of little
errors
:in grammar and spelling scattered through the Constitution and other Nova
Roma
:documents. Will these be corrected someday ?

I don't know what anyone else is planning in this regard, but, in the course
of translating the Constitution, M Mucius Scaevola Magister and I are taking
note of all the typos, and we'll submit the list along with the translation
when it is finished.

:Valete,
:Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
:
Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Fabius again... (was: To All Citizens of Nova Roma)
From:	NovaRomaNH@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:18:30 EST

In a message dated 1/2/99 8:10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> (Lucius Corn--------s Sulla) writ--------br>
> Yes, I agree with Q.Fabius, but because I have such strong feelings for
this affair, it has taken me a while to respond to this My concern is
not a comparison between Marconius and Fannius. We all agree ousting
Marconius was necessary and correct. But, the handling of the Fannius
was incorrect from the start.

I'm afraid that there was no "correct" way to handle the situation with
Fannius... if by that you mean using a complete set of Civil laws, and setting
up a full "trial".

Nova Roma has been a busy place from nearly the moment of its inception. There
has simply been no time to set up a full Civil law and court system! Certainly
it's something we'd all like to see in place, and we will. Up till now there
has been no need for a Civil trial system. There have been more imminent
things that have demanded the attention of our small state. The situation with
Germanicus having to leave us for a time, the problems with people assaulting
Citizens in the Live Chat, the difficulties over trying to re-create and run
one of the most complex Election processes ever to exist, etc, etc. We've
managed to weather and solve pretty much all the challenges we've faced, and
we'll manage the Civil situation as well.

One of the biggest problems with Fannius has been that the Citizens of Nova
Roma have been split into two major opinion groups... the ones that wanted
immediate action *NOW*, and the ones that wanted the process to be solved
through a fully evolved trial system that we haven't got yet.

Under the circumstances our new Consuls have done extremely well... they
encouraged the Senate to investigate and deal with the situation fairly, and
neither condemned Fannius unfairly nor let him off the hook without several
apologies and penalties. Wisdom of Solomon, folks, - nobody could have done
any better while being deluged with conflicting Emails and postings from all
sides.

> Considering that our current, Consul,
Lucius, in e-mail, asked not to be involved as shown on:

Wed, 30 Dec 1998 when he stated the following:
[In this particular case I would recuse myself (from a trial) because
I, as Flamen Martialis, declared "the outcast" Sacer.
Valete, L Equitius Cincinnatus, Praetor Urbanus 'til Friday :-)]

I don't believe that Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus was stating that he would
never be involved in the situation again... he was merely stating that he'd
done what he could with such legal powers he had before his Consulship became
effective. Once his Consulship DID become effective, he was then duty bound to
act, and lead. He's done well.

>Yet...a day later he decided to handle this case, after I offered my
services.

As you're in law school and on your way to becoming a lawyer, your assistance
will certainly be of value when we start the process of adapting a full system
of Civil Law within Nova Roma. In fact, we'll need all the assistance we can
get: We will want to stay with ancient form as much as possible and it will be
a difficult thing to sort out.

Yet again, this situation demanded action from Cincinnatus rather than an
announcement of "Well, we'll have to put this situation aside for a few months
while we appoint people to investigate ancient Roma trial procedure, then
debate as to how well we are able to re-create it with the people and
facilities we actually have to hand." *No one* would have been satisfied with
that, and Fannius would have been left in perpetual limbo.

> After a discussion in the Taverna, I was assured that Justice
would be done from Equitius, thus I posted that I felt Justice would be
done. And, well when Fannius disclosed his fine..and the vague mention
of "Community Service." I was very much concerned.

In my own personal opinion, justice WAS done, as well as it could have been
done at this time. The situation was evaluated by several Magistrates, and
there was consensus that this was a workable punishment. "Community Service"
isn't necessarily a vague thing... it's a way for Nova Roma to benefit from an
otherwise bad situation, instead of just ordering another "execution".

> Again, I feel
Marconius got what he deserved. But, the idea of threatening a citizen,
our Senators seem to have taken this lightly cause it was a Net Threat.
According to Callidius our Tribune, someone in MN was arrested
for issuing a Net Threat. The gravity of this situation concerned me
for another reason, yes, we have no civil or criminal laws in place.
But, this set a dangerous precedent that all future cases must look to,
under the legal theory of Stare Decsis.

(Quick explanation for those who aren't as legally minded as Sulla: Stare
Decisis is the legal principle that court decisions should follow precedents
set by previous decisions in the same court. Yes, I had to go look it up! It's
also important to note that Nova Roma's courts will, by the nature of the
organization, look to ancient law as well as our own decisions.)

One thing I WILL bet, though, is that the person who was arrested for issuing
a Net Threat did it repeatedly over a long period of time, and in several
different ways... making it much like an issue of Net Stalking. If every
threat and unkind word on the Internet (or, indeed, in real life) were taken
seriously, there'd be thousands of people arrested every day.

>Again, my concern has been and always will be
the application of Justice here at Nova Roma. I cannot in good faith be
apart of an organization that has one system of justice for Pagans and
another for Non Pagans.

Nova Roma does not have two systems of justice. Marconius violated our laws
more than once, and by his own expressed belief had committed no "crime".
Fannius broke the law once, in a way that was obviously an isolated event. If
the situations had been reversed the results would have been the same. If
Marconius was some sort of Fundamentalist Pagan who believed he had to convert
the Christians within Nova Roma, and had made more than one "conversion" post,
he'd have lost his Citizenship. If Fannius had been the deacon of his local
Catholic church, but made one bad post, he'd have been punished but not
banished.

>However I feel it would be a bigger mistake
resigning. But, I am putting everyone on notice. That during my my
term as Praetor Urbanis Justice in NR will be blind and so will the
application of such Justice. In my opinion, it is essential that
Justice be blind for the equal distribution of justice on all diverse
citizens in any organization. That is what I believe, and that is the
way I'll carry out my office.

Good for you! As I've said, Sulla, your expertise and energy are needed in
this organization, and the Citizens have supported you with their votes. Just
remember that no grave sin has been committed just because Nova Roma didn't
have the time or people to create a full Civil legal system within its first
ten months, or that our first two Civil cases have had to be dealt with
quickly because of the demands of the Citizens.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator and Censor

Subject:	Re: Greetings
From:	Mia Soderquist tuozine@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:57:32 -0800 (PST)

Salve!
Welcome aboard the good ship NovaRoma! Don't mind the rocking, just
hold on and try not to get seasick... :)

Mia

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>
> I'm not entirely sure if this is appropriate but I wanted to just
say a
> quick hello. I am so new here that I haven't even
> Be well.

> Cn Pompieus Licinius
>
>
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Subject:	A few words in favour of Fannius...
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:59:35 -0000

Salvete omnes!

Has Marconius asked for a charge against Fannius? What was the answer of Marconius to Fannius' apologie?
It's that I'm not understanding this thing of the 'trial' very well. Do you just want to prove that our institutions are working and does that deserve the sacrifice of a good and honest citizen?


Valete!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Plebeian Aedile)

Subject:	Re: the Declarations
From:	missmoon missmoon@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:58:56 -0500

Gaius Marius Merullus wrote:
>
>
> I don't know what anyone else is planning in this regard, but, in the course
> of translating the Constitution, M Mucius Scaevola Magister and I are taking
> note of all the typos, and we'll submit the list along with the translation
> when it is finished.

Merullus, my thanks to you and to Scaevola, not only for taking on the
tremendous job of translation, but for listing those errors. This is
just one more of the nuts & bolts things that have to be done, but that
no one has time to do. We'll certainly appreciate that list.

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Greetings
From:	anaxarete@--------)
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:18:05 -0600

Welcome and greeting!
I am new here too to this wonderful place. Glad to have you here!
Pull up a chair and get comfortable. :-)


Reina
*Who just figured out her Latin name- Lilia Avita Verina!
Now, I just have to apply for citizenship.*

ICQ# 22090399



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>I'm not entirely sure if this is appropriate but I wanted to just say
>a
>quick hello. I am so new here that I haven't even made it to the
>gentes
>website but I am here none the less. So, greetings all!
>
>Be well.
>Cn Pompieus Licinius
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Subject:	Re: Greetings
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:09:42 -0800 (PST)

To Cn Pompieus Licinius, novus homo,

Subject:	The Marconius-Fannius Case
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:09:44 -0800 (PST)

To all Citizens of Nova Roma,

Subject:	Re: Greetings
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:44:39 -0500 (EST)

Welcome Cn Pompieus Licinius;

This NR is a fun place for the most part. Take part in all of the
communication facilities listed on the Web Page, and enjoy yourselves.
Your interest in things Roman is assumd, so jump in the water is fine.
I'm the local Pumpkin Cake expert in the absence of our Roman "Chef Du
Cusine" Venetor, so you may share any such that you may have with me, in
the sure knowledge that the recipe will be fully enjoyed (Yumm Yumm
licking the last of the moist pumpkin cake crumbs from his finger
tips)!!!!!

Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	A few words in favour of Fannius...
From:	Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:13:16 -0500

Salvete omnes,

Graecus wrote:

>Has Marconius asked for a charge against Fannius? What was the answer of
Marconius to Fannius' apologie?
>It's that I'm not understanding this thing of the 'trial' very well. Do
you just want to prove that our institutions are working and does >that
deserve the sacrifice of a good and honest citizen?

My understanding of the matter is that several citizens other than
Marconius thought that Fannius should be prosecuted - for a crimen
publicum, not civil responsibility in delict - in order to make clear that
NR does not accept citizens issuing death threats to other citizens.
There's no question of "sacrificing" Fannius to prove our institutions are
working.

The decision of the outgoing Praetor I think does the job of sending the
message that threats to other citizens will attract criminal liability,
precisely without "sacrificing" Fannius - given the rather special
circumstances discussed in M. Cassius Julianus' email on the matter.

My own view is that I am not desperately keen on the Praetors doing justice
in private and without any sort of Quaestio (jury court). But really we
have to set up procedures we can agree on (or get a majority vote for)
before we can start "doing it right". I think it is more use to get going
on that (Censors, your atttention please!) than to rake over the coals of
the Fannius decision.

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister

Subject:	Unofficial Senate report
From:	missmoon missmoon@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:34:07 -0500

I've said that I'd keep the people informed of what the Senate is doing,
not from an official viewpoint, but from my own. Although I cannot take
American politics as a model, because NR is not a Democracy, I still
have in mind to do what many U.S. Senators and Representatives do, and
keep the constituents informed.

We have so much to do in the coming year that it's going to be very
difficult; and much of that is going to have to do with the setting up
of our civil laws and procedures. This is going to be a long,
complicated process involving intensive research. It has to be correct
because we're going to have to live with it.

This is probably going to be made all the more difficult because the
Magistrates are constantly having to deal with immediate problems that
have nothing to do with the bedrock basic task of setting up laws. In
plain terms, as long as we have to deal with things like the
Marconius/Fannius discussion, the less time we have to devote to the
basic procedures that would have made solving this situation fast and
legally watertight.

I also have no doubt that something similar will come up shortly, and
everything will be expected to stop until it's dealt with with much
impassioned rhetoric and many indignant demands that the Magistrates
stop whatever they're doing and take care of it FIRST.

There are only so many hours in the day, and most of us have to work for
a living as well as take on Nova Roma business. So I'll put it plainly:
take your choice. We can continue the debate about Fannius, which is now
pointless because it's been decided -- or we can use the time to solve
real problems. For myself, I intend to ignore any more Fannius/Marconius
posts here or in private, other than the official reports from
Audens,because I have more important things to do in the Senate and a
huge stack of books on Roman law to get through.

If you have something concrete to contribute, and you're volunteering to
help with any of the Senate's projects -- such as research on ROMAN
legalities (the U.S. legal system and Constitution have very little to
offer, that system being a democracy), then feel free and know that your
help will be appreciated. By me at any rate. I'm not about to be so
presumptuous as to speak for the entire Senate.

I could sure use an intern! But look at the trouble THAT gets you into!!

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Finding Roman Law Resources
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:02:20 -0600 (CST)

Here's a link that many of you might find some interest in and
maybe we could even link this sight onto our webpage if someone would
like.

<a href="http://www.artsednet.getty.edu/ArtsEdNet/Resources/Lesson4/hist3.html" target="_top" >http://www.artsednet.getty.edu/ArtsEdNet/Resources/Lesson4/hist3.html</a>


Gaius Drusus Domitianus
( trying to educate himself as always )

Subject:	Re: Finding Roman Law Resources
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Sun, 03 Jan 1999 16:57:03 -0800

Salve, Domitianus.

I got a "Not Found" with this link. (sob&sigh)

Ericius

> <a href="http://www.artsednet.getty.edu/ArtsEdNet/Resources/Lesson4/hist3.html" target="_top" >http://www.artsednet.getty.edu/ArtsEdNet/Resources/Lesson4/hist3.html</a>

Subject:	Re: Unofficial Senate report
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:58:01 EST

In a message dated 1/3/99 5:36:09 PM EST, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wr--------:

<< I've said that I'd keep the people informed of what the Senate is doing,
not from an official viewpoint, but from my own. Although I cannot take
American politics as a model, because NR is not a Democracy, I still
have in mind to do what many U.S. Senators and Representatives do, and
keep the constituents informed. >>

Can we also get a report from the Pontiffical College? What's going on?
Where are we in the appointments of Pontiffs? etc.

--Dexippus
<<here...just being quiet>>

Subject:	Re: Finding Roman Law Resources - 1 more try
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:23:28 -0600 (CST)

<a href="http://www.artsednet.getty.edu/ArtsEdNet/Resources/Trajan/Lesson4/hist3.html" target="_top" >http://www.artsednet.getty.edu/ArtsEdNet/Resources/Trajan/Lesson4/hist3.html</a>

Hopefully it will work now.

Gaius Drusus Domitianus