Subject:	Fw: Latin Self Study Group Forming
From:	"Joseph Bloch" jkbloch@--------
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:18:52 -0500

Salvete!

I saw this on the newsgroups today and thought that it might be of interest
to some folks here...

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus

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Fro--------lt;a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=034233044108042198184223203163129208071" >lougheed@--------</a> <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=034233044108042198184223203163129208071" >lougheed@--------</a>
Newsgroups: humanities.classics,soc.history.ancient,soc.history.medieval
Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 5:55 PM
Subject: Latin Self Study Group Forming


>Salvete -
>
>I am starting a beginner's self study group for the Latin language.
>This is being done in the context of the Latin Self Study list,
>&-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034166114009078135138082190036" >--------n@--------&--------a>, a -------- estab--------ed a few years ago by peop--------font>
>interested in learning and practicing Latin.
>
>Based on experience with earlier groups, here's how the group will
>operate. The text will be "Wheelock's Latin, 5th edition" which is
>available in many bookstores and also online at places like Amazon.com.
>At a pace of a chapter every two weeks, members of the group will work
>out as much as they can of the various exercises and translations and
>then email the results to me. I'll produce a collation that is in turn
>emai--------to &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034166114009078135138082190036" >--------n@--------&--------a>. Repeat 40 times.
>
>This would be a self study group. Questions would be posted to the main
>latin list or emailed to people within the self study group. I'm an
>enthusiastic student of Latin myself, but I'm by no means a teacher; I'm
>doing this to recruit more people into an area that I find quite
>enjoyable. I have coordinated Latin self study groups in the past.
>
>Anyone who is interested should send email to "lougheed" at "netcom.com"
>for more information. The beginners group will be starting with Chapter 1
>on Monday, January 11th. Late comers are always welcome.
>
>There are also self study groups currently in progress translating from
> - "Wheelock's Latin Literature" by Wheelock (currently on Ovid)
> - "Reading Medieval Latin" by Sidwell (currently at Chapt 14)
> - Caesar's Gallic Wars (currently Book 1)
>as well as more advanced Wheelock groups working in the vicinity of
>Chapters 16 and 25. Anyone is welcome to join or start a new group.
>
>Another beginners self study group will be starting up a bit later, this
>one using the texts of the Oxford Latin Course. It should be a good
>complement to the Wheelock based group.
>
>To subscribe to the Latin self study list, send email to
>&-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034176066165152209112102203064129208071" >--------proc@--------&--------a> with the message body containing just
>"subscribe latin".
>
>Valete,
>Kirk Lougheed
>
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Subject:	Re: Birthday Greetings!!
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:28:33 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Pythia et omnes,

Thank you for wishing me a happy birthday. It has been around -10F
all the time where I live so I have not been out celebrating much, one
has to think about staying warm in weather like this. For my
birthday, I received the CD, John Williams: The Guitarist. It is a
wonderful performance of some Greek and Near East styled classical
music. I can't stop listening to it! The disc is on the Sony
Classical lable and it is catalogue #SK60586.






==
Respectfully,
Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Tribune of the People

Subject:	Some general observations on 'net threats' (long)
From:	"Manius Viaus Greco" greco@--------
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:51:24 -0800

Salvete, omnes.

This should not be taken as reflecting directly on the recent threat/misconduct
problems that we've had on the list. I'm sending it as food for thought,
something that might help us adapt any future protocols on these matters.

Perhaps we need to take into account the fact that when a person becomes
accustomed to communicating through email and chat, they are likely to act
differently than they are in letters and face-to-face confrontations. I don't
think that this comes out of a willingness to exploit the facelessness of the
media involved, but rather out of several other elements:

1). They are immediate, or nearly so.
2). It is difficult to accurately portray emotion and inflection within them.
3). We have almost no ability to get a feel for what the other people are like,
since we cannot see body language, appearance, or handwriting style.
4). It is difficult (especially on mailing lists) to make a direct/private
comment without making it look seedy or as meant to be behind other people's
backs.
5). People may take as rude and insulting things that we ourselves may not
consider important (such as one-line replies, unduly long signatures and
untrimmed posts).

When it comes to the online conduct, we may need to draw a line between those
actions that result from an unwillingness to abide by our laws (or from an
ignorance thereof) and those which result from a less than savvy use of the
Internet and its facilities.

James P. Carse wrote a book called _Finite and Infinite Games_ and brought up a
point in it that is relevant to this: that a machine is not necessarily an
extension of the user. Often the user becomes an extension of the machine. If
people are using net-related services but have not familiarized themselves with
netiquitte guidelines or trained themselves in their effective use (by delaying
replies until they can be thought out, etc.), they may act in abusive ways
because that is one of the things that the net enables.

If we consider the post that resulted in our late citizen's banishment, we can
see this principle in action. Some people failed to note that at the end of the
tradcath version of the post there was a notice allowing people to forward it
so long as certain attribution and authorship lines were attached. With the
immediacy of email, it is easy to see that someone could think the post
appropriate and send it without giving due consideration to whether or not it
should be sent in the first place. (This is not a justification for the action.
It is simply a demonstration of the principle.) If instead he would have had to
rewite or type it, address it and go to the post office to send it, he might
have given the matter more thought and it might not have been sent at all.

So what would have played more substantial of a role here? The desire to act in
a certain way, or the technology which enables someone to act in that way? What
would be a more equitable punishment: fines, or the requirement to take a
course in netiquette and show an adherence to those principles in further
postings -- the equivalent of taking an anger managment class?

As I mentioned in a previous post: we are dealing with an online environment,
and there are factors here that we do not have to deal with in real life. These
factors need to be taken into account.

Valete,
Manius Viaus Greco

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Subject:	We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!
From:	"D. Iunius Palladius" amcgrath@--------
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:57:25 -0500 (EST)

Salvete Cives! With great pleasure I announce that the Pontiffs have, in
accordance with Article VI. 3. of the Constitution,
elected Marcus Cassius Iulianus to the position of Pontifex Maximus.

The position of Pontifex Maximus is a vital one for Nova Roma. While the
Pontifex Maximus has no more power than any other Pontiff, he or she does
serve as the spokesman of the Pontifices before the Senate and the People
of Rome. In the past, there have been complaints about the speed at which
the Pontiffs have moved. Often, we had completed voting on candidates but
no one was sure which of us should announce the vote since we were all
equal. As a result, an announcement might not be made for quite
awhile. With a Pontifex Maximus, we have a first among equals who shall,
among other things, represent us publically and keep us on track.

Marcus Cassius Iulianus has made the revival of the Religio Romana his
life's work, as is exemplified by his work in the Founding of Nova Roma
and his work since the Founding as Consul, Censor and Pontiff. I think he
will do an excellent job in the position. Please join me in congratulating
him in this new position in which I am confident he will excel!

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius


Pontiff, Consul, Censor



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Non scholae sed vitae discimus.

Seneca


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"Such things have often happened and still happen,
and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:41:32 -0500 (EST)

My most sincere congratulations my dear sir on your elevation to your
newly elected post. I t is my understanding that this is a kind of a
crowning position for your work in bringing Religio Romana before the
peope of the world again as a living religion, and for that I applaud
you your selection as Pontifex Maximus and I give you the joy of your
appointment.

Mrcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:48:59 -0600 (CST)

Congratulations Cassius on becoming the first Pontificus Maximus of
Nova Roma in what will hopefully become a very long line! You have set
the foundations for the revitilization of the Religio Romana and I think
what you do now and for the next few years along with the rest of the
pontiffs will be precedent setting for the future successes of Roman
paganism. Best regards,

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!
From:	"Joseph Bloch" jkbloch@--------
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:53:21 -0500

Salvete Omnes!

My dearest Marcus Cassius, words cannot express my happiness and pride for
you in your new appointment as Pontifex Maximus. Under your stewardship I am
certain that the fullest potential of the Religio Romana as a faith and Nova
Roma as its chief medium of expression will be realized. Your
level-headedness and knowledge will both serve you and us all well in your
new post.

Hail Marcus Cassius Iulianus!

Hail the Gods of Olympus!

Hail Nova Roma et Roma Aeterna!

Salvete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
Co-Founder, Senator

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From: D. Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 5:57 PM
Subject: [novaroma] We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!


>From: "D. Iunius Palladius" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
>
>
>Salvete Cives! With great pleasure I announce that the Pontiffs have, in
>accordance with Article VI. 3. of the Constitution,
>elected Marcus Cassius Iulianus to the position of Pontifex Maximus.
>
>The position of Pontifex Maximus is a vital one for Nova Roma. While the
>Pontifex Maximus has no more power than any other Pontiff, he or she does
>serve as the spokesman of the Pontifices before the Senate and the People
>of Rome. In the past, there have been complaints about the speed at which
>the Pontiffs have moved. Often, we had completed voting on candidates but
>no one was sure which of us should announce the vote since we were all
>equal. As a result, an announcement might not be made for quite
>awhile. With a Pontifex Maximus, we have a first among equals who shall,
>among other things, represent us publically and keep us on track.
>
>Marcus Cassius Iulianus has made the revival of the Religio Romana his
>life's work, as is exemplified by his work in the Founding of Nova Roma
>and his work since the Founding as Consul, Censor and Pontiff. I think he
>will do an excellent job in the position. Please join me in congratulating
>him in this new position in which I am confident he will excel!
>
>Valete,
>
>Decius Iunius Palladius
>
>
>Pontiff, Consul, Censor
>
>
>
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>
>
> Non scholae sed vitae discimus.
>
> Seneca
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> "Such things have often happened and still happen,
> and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"
>
> Julian, Emperor of Rome 361-363 A.D.
> Extant 331-363 A.D.
>
>
>
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Subject:	We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!
From:	"Lucius" vergil@--------
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:08:36 -0500

Salvete, Omnes Quirites

Pontifex Maximus Marce Cassi, Gratulationem tibi Do.
Gaudeo!! Nova Roma Gaudet!!
I was going to say...
"So, what took so long!"
Opps! I guess I just did... just kidding really :-) !!
Quod bonum faustum felix fortunatum salutareque simus
Valete, L Equitius Cincinnatus


>D. Iunius Palladius wrote:
>>in accordance with Article VI. 3. of the Constitution,
>> elected Marcus Cassius Iulianus to the position of Pontifex Maximus.
>
>Congratulations Cassius!! There is no finer choice for this position
>right now in Nova Roma!! (Now if I can figure our how to wipe this silly
>grin off my face........ ;-)
>Great news, and may Great Iupiter guide you!
>Pythia

Subject:	Re: We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:07:14 EST

>From: "D. Iunius Palladius" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
>
>
>Salvete Cives! With great pleasure I announce that the Pontiffs have, in
>accordance with Article VI. 3. of the Constitution,
>elected Marcus Cassius Iulianus to the position of Pontifex Maximus.

Bravo!

Nova Roma continues to develop, and the pontiffs have made a good choice.

L. Sergius Aust.

Subject:	Re: We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:17:35 EST

In a message dated 1/4/99 5:57:30 PM EST, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a> writes:

<< Salvete Cives! With great pleasure I announce that the Pontiffs have, in
accordance with Article VI. 3. of the Constitution,
elected Marcus Cassius Iulianus to the position of Pontifex Maximus. >>

Congratulations Cassius on your appointment to Pontifex Maximus! I am greatly
pleased by this latest development of the Religio Romana and of the move by
our Pontiffical College.

When can we see further progression of the Religio by the appointment of more
pontiffs?

--Dexippus
Augur and pontiff hopeful

Subject:	EAGLE time!
From:	missmoon missmoon@--------
Date:	Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:40:07 -0500

Yes folks, once again it's deadline time for the Eagle.
Articles, pictures (clean!!!!), letters, oratory, book
recommendations... jokes

All due to me by Jan 10!

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Latinist question...
From:	Mia Soderquist tuozine@--------
Date:	Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:11:43 -0800 (PST)

For those of us rather hung up on things linguistic, and interested in
using more Latin...
Where are we going to get words for modern stuff? The Vatican
dictionary? Just asking...

I am suddenly feeling ambitious about actually USING Latin... As soon
as I learn enough to be able to say something intelligible...

Mia (with the proposed Roman name Ursula Numeria Fortunata...)