Subject:	Birthday Greetings!!
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:56:21 +0000

Happy Birthday to Avidius TulliusCallidus!


Best, Pythia

Subject:	Re: We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:22:21 +0000

D. Iunius Palladius wrote:

in
> accordance with Article VI. 3. of the Constitution,
> elected Marcus Cassius Iulianus to the position of Pontifex Maximus.

Congratulations Cassius!! There is no finer choice for this position
right now in Nova Roma!! (Now if I can figure our how to wipe this silly
grin off my face........ ;-)

Great news, and may Great Iupiter guide you!

Pythia

Subject:	[Fwd: Ancient History Newsletter]
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Tue, 05 Jan 1999 05:10:34 -0800

Here are some interesting Roman and other ancient History sites:

Lucius Cornelius Sulla,
Praetor Urbanis

Ancient/Classical History Guide wrote:

> =========================================================
> A N C I E N T * H I S T O R Y * N E W S L E T T E R
>
> N.S. Gill
> Ancient History Guide at The Mining Co.
> January 5, 1999
> Vol. III Issue #1
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> =========================================================
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>
> =========================================================
>
> THIS WEEK'S FEATURE: Presocratic Philosophers
>
> Mythographers like Hesiod explained the origin of the
> universe, but the Presocratics were the first to do so
> scientifically.
>
> (Go to the
> Ancient/Classical History Homepage at
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>
> LATIN SELF-STUDY CLASS
>
> Anyone interested in a self study Latin group should send
> email to
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> SITE UPDATE (Net Links)
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> CHILDREN
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> Toilet Training
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> --------------------------------
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> EGYPT
> <<a href="http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msub9.htm" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msub9.htm</a>>
>
> Enigmatic Tekenu
> Kemetic Religions
>
> --------------------------------
>
> LANGUAGE
> <<a href="http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msublanguage.htm" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msublanguage.htm</a>>
>
> Who Invented the Alphabet?
>
> --------------------------------
>
> LATIN
> <<a href="http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msub17.htm" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msub17.htm</a>>
>
> Ovid Timeline
>
> --------------------------------
>
> MEDICINE
> <<a href="http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msubmedicine.htm" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msubmedicine.htm</a>>
>
> Antiqua Medicina: Hippocrates
> Presocratic Influence on Hippocratic Medicine
> Review of Riddle's Contraception and Abortion
> Medicine in Ancient Egypt
> Tools of the Trade: Burial Goods Of An Ancient Sawbones
>
> --------------------------------
>
> MYTHOLGY & RELIGION
> <<a href="http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msubmyth.htm" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msubmyth.htm</a>>
>
> Sky and Earth, Breath, Life and Creation
> Enuma Elish
> New Age Guide to Creation Myths
>
> --------------------------------
>
> PROSTITUTION
> <<a href="http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msubprostitute.htm" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msubprostitute.htm</a>>
>
> Archaeologists Uncover 2,100-Year-Old Bordello
>
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> ROME: ART, ARCHITECTURE & ARCHAEOLOGY
> <<a href="http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msub25.htm" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msub25.htm</a>>
>
> Etruscans: Mastering the Delicate Art of Living
>
> --------------------------------
>
> SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY
> <<a href="http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msubscience.htm" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msubscience.htm</a>>
>
> Ptolemy Charts the World
> The First False Tooth
>
> --------------------------------
>
> TIMELINE
> <<a href="http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msubtimeline.htm" target="_top" >http://ancienthistory.miningco.com/msubtimeline.htm</a>>
>
> The Babylonians
>
> --------------------------------
>
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Subject:	Re: Some general observations on 'net threats' (long)
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:08:40 -0500

Salvete Mani Viae et alii



>From: "Manius Viaus Greco" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123212192098193135180082190036" >greco@--------</a>
>
>Perhaps we need to take into account the fact that when a person becomes
>accustomed to communicating through email and chat, they are likely to act
>differently than they are in letters and face-to-face confrontations. I
don't
>think that this comes out of a willingness to exploit the facelessness of
the
>media involved, but rather out of several other elements:


--long but relevant food for thought deleted for space---

These are good points that you raise. I would like to point out, thought,
that human beings must be held accountable for their actions, in Nova Roma
as elsewhere. If it could be proven that someone's computer became
self-aware and committed a violation of NR law using the owner's identity,
then certainly blame could be wholly shifted away from the human owner to
the machine.

In our present reality, the above is absurd. It is only slightly less
absurd, however, to use the excuse of 'the ease of modern technology made me
do it'.

We are accountable for our actions, not our guns, not our computers, not our
automobiles etc.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus>
>Valete,
>Manius Viaus Greco
>
>_________________________________________________________

Subject:	Re: Latinist question...
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:19:16 -0500

Salvete Mia et alii



>From: Mia Soderquist <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=189075253209082116184218164036129208" >tuozine@--------</a>
>
>For those of us rather hung up on things linguistic, and interested in
>using more Latin...
>Where are we going to get words for modern stuff? The Vatican
>dictionary? Just asking...

I dont think so; at least, I do not plan on referring to that source and
doubt that any cives of Nova Roma will do so. I think that we can be fairly
creative and enjoy a large degree of poetic license in overcoming problems
of anachronism.

Eventually, when enough of us use Latin in correspondence, in the chat room
etc., we could address standardization of new words. But for the time
being, let's just assume that there is no such thing as a mistake in forming
such new words, lest we never use the language at all for fear of making a
mistake.
>
>I am suddenly feeling ambitious about actually USING Latin... As soon
>as I learn enough to be able to say something intelligible...

Excellent!
>
>Mia (with the proposed Roman name Ursula Numeria Fortunata...)


Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: Some general observations on 'net threats' (long)
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:34:02 EST

In a message dated 1/5/99 8:24:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:

<< Perhaps we need to take into account the fact that when a person becomes
>accustomed to communicating through email and chat, they are likely to act
>differently than they are in letters and face-to-face confrontations. I
don't think that this comes out of a willingness to exploit the facelessness
of
the media involved, but rather out of several other elements:>>
Salve!

Perhaps what you say has some truth, however, People are still responsable for
their actions.
Because my pistol has a hair trigger and I shoot you, whose at fault?
According to your post because my weapon (technology) easily responded,
(easily fired) I am not as much as fault as if my weapon had a trigger pull of
over a pound. That is nonsense.
Though I must agree List members should THINK then WRITE, rather than the
other way around.
Of additional interest, a CA law took effect on the first of Jan. which was
under the Internet "Stalking Rule". it is now against the Law to threaten
people over the internet via E-mail or direct communication. Before under the
stalking rule it was impliyed but not stated.

Vale
Q Fabius

Subject:	Re: Some general observations on 'net threats' (long)
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:06:26 -0500 (EST)

While I competely agree with Guais Marius Merrullus, I believe that
Manius Viaus Greco was realy talking about the environmental differences
that tend to surround a frequent user of the net, rather than provide an
excuse for illegal, immoral, or fattening <G> behavior.

I think we all realize that we as individuals are responsible for our
actions (the idea of a computer environment forcing you to use a chain
saw on omeone that you dislike is rediculous of course) however, I
believe the point that was being made is that we must take additional
care in addressing messages over this medium because of the facelessness
of that medium.

I am really tempted many times to make a "what is hopefully" an amusing
remark, only to release that the receiver will not / may not receive it
as such. It then requires more thought and more care and more courtesy
to use this medium than it does to talk face-to-face or even on the
telephone. This "care in communication" I think is what M.V. Greco was
speaking about not the ultimate responsibility for your actions.

I think his points were valid and deserve some consideration as I am
sure you have already given the topic, my dear Merullus. As a
relatively new member to the net myself, I felt that the reminder and
comments were timely

--Think before you write;
--Contemplate your words carefully;
--Be more courteous than you normaly would be in a face to
face situation; --When in doubt, don't.

Are there any other applicable sayings out there in Internet-land that
should be included? I believe one of the NR ladies printed a Internet
Courtesy List at one time and Patricia Cassia has been most helpful in
mediating the list for us in that way as well.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!
From:	Diana/Orbianna proserpina@--------
Date:	Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:56:19 -0500

My sincerest congratulations to you, Marcus Cassius Iulianus, on your
election to the position of Pontifex Maximus. May the Gods continue to
guide and favor you, who has taken it upon himself to restore and aspect of
the Old Ways. Though there will be trials and hard times ahead in this
pursuit, your work will be well rewarded on this plane and in the next, of
that you can be sure. You have my utmost support in these endeavors.

Iustina Luciania Orbianna


At 17:57 04/01/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "D. Iunius Palladius" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
>
>
>Salvete Cives! With great pleasure I announce that the Pontiffs have, in
>accordance with Article VI. 3. of the Constitution,
>elected Marcus Cassius Iulianus to the position of Pontifex Maximus.
>
>The position of Pontifex Maximus is a vital one for Nova Roma. While the
>Pontifex Maximus has no more power than any other Pontiff, he or she does
>serve as the spokesman of the Pontifices before the Senate and the People
>of Rome. In the past, there have been complaints about the speed at which
>the Pontiffs have moved. Often, we had completed voting on candidates but
>no one was sure which of us should announce the vote since we were all
>equal. As a result, an announcement might not be made for quite
>awhile. With a Pontifex Maximus, we have a first among equals who shall,
>among other things, represent us publically and keep us on track.
>
>Marcus Cassius Iulianus has made the revival of the Religio Romana his
>life's work, as is exemplified by his work in the Founding of Nova Roma
>and his work since the Founding as Consul, Censor and Pontiff. I think he
>will do an excellent job in the position. Please join me in congratulating
>him in this new position in which I am confident he will excel!
>
>Valete,
>
>Decius Iunius Palladius
>
>
>Pontiff, Consul, Censor
>
>
>
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Don't you know of tormented souls? They need dreams and action and the
purest of passion. And so we throw ourselves into fancies and madness. -
Flaubert

Linguam compescere virtus non est minima. -Anonymous

Subject:	Re: We have elected a Pontifex Maximus!
From:	Mike Macnair MikeMacnair@--------
Date:	Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:26:53 -0500

Salvete omnes

D. Iunius Palladius wrote:

>Salvete Cives! With great pleasure I announce that the Pontiffs have, in
>accordance with Article VI. 3. of the Constitution,
>elected Marcus Cassius Iulianus to the position of Pontifex Maximus.

Congratulations to Cassius, and to the Pontiffs for their decision!

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister

Subject:	Clothing questions
From:	SDmtwi@--------
Date:	Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:49:21 EST

Salvete,
I am finally getting serious about putting together some historical clothing
and military kit for myself. I was wondering if anyone could answer a few
questions I had which would aid me in this endeavour.
First, on civillian tunics, did the clavi run down both the front and back,
or just down the front?
Second, does anyone know if there were any laws (circa the Gallic conquest)
or customs regarding how large and what colors (no purple, I realize) the
clavi could be? Also, were clavi sewn on or woven into the fabric?
Finally, is the leather portion of a lorica hamata's shoulder reinforcement
just a trim, or is it indicative of a layer of leather between the reinforcing
mail and the mail shirt underneath?

Valete and thank you in advance,
T. Labienus Fortunatus