| Subject: |
More Cybele... |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:58:13 -0000 |
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Salvete!
Yesterday I've presented the view of scholars on the organization of the cult of Cybele, and as you saw, there are many doubts. Today, I'll present my own view...
When the cult of Cybele was introduced in Rome, there was no specialized clergy in Rome, and the sacerdotes (men and women) had to come from Phrygia. As Pliny tells us, sacerdotes were served by galli, the eunuchs. Wether these sacerdotes were promoted galli and as such eunuch as well, we cannot know.
After the cult increased the number of faithful among the romans, a question is raised: were the the male sacerdotes still phrygian? If they were Romans, they were surely not eunuchs (unless they were slaves, maybe).
Now lets advance in time. We are in the reign of Antoninus Pius, 2nd century AD. Due to the influence of Mithrasism (to which it was frequently associated) or other phrygian deities such as Anahita, the sacerdotes ask the authorization of the Quindecemvirs in order to introduce a new ritual, the taurobolium. The Quindecemvirs regulate the practice possibly ordering the creation of a new body of priests, the archigalli, which become responsible for directing the taurobolia. In the [De excusatione 148 of the Fragmenta Vaticana], exemption of taxes is given to those who - under the instructions of an archigallus - dedicates a taurobolium 'pro salute imperatoris'. It seems then, that the archigallus gained is office precisely by dedicating a taurobolium in substitution for his castration, as I've already pointed yesterday, and as such, they could be Roman citizens of plain right.
Well, who were the sacerdotes? In my opinion, they were above both the galli and the archigalli. Galli and archigalli being priest initiates. I say this because e.g. the title 'summus sacerdos' is more likely to be the correspondent to the 'pater patrum' of the mithraists, the chief priest of the cult. And if during the Empire there epigraphical monuments tend to evidence the presence of Roman citizens among the sacerdotes, how did they obtained the office if they were not galli? Well, in my opinion by having been archigalli. Otherwise, as already put as a possibility, there must have been another path to reach the rank of sacerdote, other than firstly becoming a gallus.
Nevertheless, my sugestion to Nova Roma is the following:
SACERDOTES - Priests (men and women) properly said, organized in an hierarchy to be defined by the Collegium Pontificum. Women may have ascended directly to sacerdotes, and this is in accordance with the legend of Cybele and Attis, for Cybele was a godess since the beginning and Attis only became a god through sacrifice.
ARCHIGALLI - Initiates (male only?) to priests through a sacrifice. As taurobolia are not allowed in Nova Roma, there must be another way...
GALLI - Also priest initiates, but through auto-mutilation. My personal opinion is that this rank should be banned in Nova Roma, or otherwise discuss a symbolic way of performing this sacrifice.
Valete omnes!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
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| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:24:01 -0800 (PST) |
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To the Honorable Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, Flamen Martialis et Consul,
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| Subject: |
Fw: [novaroma] Provincial Praetors Needed! |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:43:22 -0500 |
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>Salvete, Omnes!
>
>Applications are being accepted for the following Praetorships in the
>following Provinciae:
>
>1.Brazil
>2.Mexico
>3. Northwest US
>4.Southwest US
>5.Western Canada
>6. Upper Mid West US
>
>If you are a Citizen living in one of these Provinces, and are interested
in
>filling the role of Praetor for the year 1999, please contact the Senate
>through the Cursus Honorum page of the Nova Roma website.
>
>Of all the positions in Nova Roma, I personally believe that the
Praetorships
>have the most potential for activity and excitement. They involve
"building"
>Nova Roma at the local level... so there are opportunities for local
events,
>etc. Some other aspects of the position include:
>
>1. Being willing to distribute Nova Roma information/flyers at shops, etc.
in
>your Province.
>
>2. Being willing to act as the Contact Person in your Province, both by
Email
>and by surface mail. Prospective Citizens are often interested in local
level
>involvement, and are looking to speak to others in their Province before
>becoming involved with Nova Roma.
>
>3. The ability to form local Sodalicium (special interest clubs) once there
>are enough local Citizens in your area to do so... also the ability to
>organize and host local get-togethers and events. Eventually there is the
>possibility of Roman "Renaissance Faires" (such as Roman Days in Maryland,
US)
>springing up in various territories, and the Praetor of each province would
be
>involved in such events should they be organized.
>
>4. To act on behalf of the Nova Roman government in your Province. While
all
>Provincial decisions and actions ARE subject to Senate/Consular approval,
>there is a great deal of leeway for personal initiative and action. There
is
>both responsibility in this, and also the potential to build an active
>personal presence within the political scene of Nova Roma.
>
>5. The ability to choose Legates to assist you in running your Provincia.
As
>all the Provincia within Nova Roma encompass large geographic areas,
Praetors
>have the ability to choose their own "local government" with
Senate/Consular
>approval. Again there will be much leeway given here... the vast majority
if
>not all Praetor decisions in appointing Legates will certainly be ratified.
>
>6. Later on, once Nova Roma has grown, the Praetors and Propraetors of each
>Provincia may be also asked to oversee actual Nova Roma owned sites, or
>oversee local projects sponsored by Nova Roma itself. Admittedly this is
>something for the relatively far future, but even with Nova Roma still in
it's
>first year we've seen talk of Citizens getting together to build historical
>equipment and sites. Anything is possible!
>
>In any case, the biggest skills we're looking for are a desire to be
active,
>and the ability to spend time with Citizens on the local level. All
>applications and questions about Praetorships will be welcome, and we look
>forward to hearing from those wishing to take on a more active role within
our
>Micronation!
>
>Valete, Consul Cincinnatus
>(On behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma)
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| Subject: |
Provinciae in America Septentrionalis |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:07:22 -0800 (PST) |
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To the Citizens of Nova Roma,
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| Subject: |
Re: Fw: [novaroma] Provincial Praetors Needed! |
| From: |
Diana/Orbianna <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=197212253112056209171056066140114100071048139" >--------er--------@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:44:31 -0500 |
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Who is praetor of the Mid-Atlantic Provincia?
At 15:43 09/01/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
>
>
>>Salvete, Omnes!
>>
>>Applications are being accepted for the following Praetorships in the
>>following Provinciae:
>>
>>1.Brazil
>>2.Mexico
>>3. Northwest US
>>4.Southwest US
>>5.Western Canada
>>6. Upper Mid West US
>>
>>If you are a Citizen living in one of these Provinces, and are interested
>in
>>filling the role of Praetor for the year 1999, please contact the Senate
>>through the Cursus Honorum page of the Nova Roma website.
>>
>>Of all the positions in Nova Roma, I personally believe that the
>Praetorships
>>have the most potential for activity and excitement. They involve
>"building"
>>Nova Roma at the local level... so there are opportunities for local
>events,
>>etc. Some other aspects of the position include:
>>
>>1. Being willing to distribute Nova Roma information/flyers at shops, etc.
>in
>>your Province.
>>
>>2. Being willing to act as the Contact Person in your Province, both by
>Email
>>and by surface mail. Prospective Citizens are often interested in local
>level
>>involvement, and are looking to speak to others in their Province before
>>becoming involved with Nova Roma.
>>
>>3. The ability to form local Sodalicium (special interest clubs) once there
>>are enough local Citizens in your area to do so... also the ability to
>>organize and host local get-togethers and events. Eventually there is the
>>possibility of Roman "Renaissance Faires" (such as Roman Days in Maryland,
>US)
>>springing up in various territories, and the Praetor of each province would
>be
>>involved in such events should they be organized.
>>
>>4. To act on behalf of the Nova Roman government in your Province. While
>all
>>Provincial decisions and actions ARE subject to Senate/Consular approval,
>>there is a great deal of leeway for personal initiative and action. There
>is
>>both responsibility in this, and also the potential to build an active
>>personal presence within the political scene of Nova Roma.
>>
>>5. The ability to choose Legates to assist you in running your Provincia.
>As
>>all the Provincia within Nova Roma encompass large geographic areas,
>Praetors
>>have the ability to choose their own "local government" with
>Senate/Consular
>>approval. Again there will be much leeway given here... the vast majority
>if
>>not all Praetor decisions in appointing Legates will certainly be ratified.
>>
>>6. Later on, once Nova Roma has grown, the Praetors and Propraetors of each
>>Provincia may be also asked to oversee actual Nova Roma owned sites, or
>>oversee local projects sponsored by Nova Roma itself. Admittedly this is
>>something for the relatively far future, but even with Nova Roma still in
>it's
>>first year we've seen talk of Citizens getting together to build historical
>>equipment and sites. Anything is possible!
>>
>>In any case, the biggest skills we're looking for are a desire to be
>active,
>>and the ability to spend time with Citizens on the local level. All
>>applications and questions about Praetorships will be welcome, and we look
>>forward to hearing from those wishing to take on a more active role within
>our
>>Micronation!
>>
>>Valete, Consul Cincinnatus
>>(On behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma)
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Fw: [novaroma] Provincial Praetors Needed! |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:48:50 -0500 |
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Salvete Omnes
>
>Who is praetor of the Mid-Atlantic Provincia?
>
>Iustina Luciania Orbianna
>Gens Luciania
>Citizen of Nova Roma
As per the constitution, Consul Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus is Consul
of the
Mid-Atlantic Provincia.
For all the others see
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/magistrates.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/magistrates.html</a>
Valete, Consul L Equitius Cincinnatus
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| Subject: |
Re: Provinciae in America Septentrionalis |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:51:08 -0500 |
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Salvete Mala Gangali et alii
:From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
:
:To the Citizens of Nova Roma,
:From M. Mala Gangalius, novus homo
:et Gaia Mala Gangalia, nova femina,
:Salve.
:
:Looking at the "Provinciae in North America" map on the Nova Roma web site,
:I feel that many of the names of the these provinces lack "Romanness". We
:should reconsider the use of English words for the points of the compass in
:favor of their Latin equivalents. Likewise, we could replace "US" with
:"America",
I think that this is a good idea, especially for official media like the
website. Of course, people will still refer to North America as North
America most of the time, but the Latin names would be more appropriate as
official names on the Nova Roma map.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: Provinciae in America Septentrionalis |
| From: |
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:53:13 -0600 (CST) |
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Salvete omnes...
May I suggest '[America] Aferensis' for the Southwestern Province?
'...Africae' is likely to confuse more than it informs, as there is a
rather large continent by that name, and we may eventually have Nova
Romans there, too... 'Aferensis' honors the same wind, and is in line
with such historical Province names as Hispania Tarragonensis et Gallia
Narbonnensis.
The larger suggestion, to give the modern Provinces Latin names, is, I
think, entirely appropriate, and I hereby applaud it! And my thanks to
the suggesters for reminding us early on that 'America' (and Brasilia,
and Australia) are *already* Latinized proper nouns, and do not need
the further embellishment of excess '-us's and '-ia's.
Any other recommendations for a more Roman name for the SW Province are
welcome! (Bein's I live here and all.)
Gratias vobis ago...
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| Subject: |
Re: Fw: [novaroma] Provincial Praetors Needed! |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sat, 9 Jan 1999 22:16:56 -0500 |
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Salve,
>From: "Lucius" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
>
> As per the constitution, Consul Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus is Consul
>of the
>Mid-Atlantic Provincia.
> For all the others see
><a href="http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/magistrates.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/magistrates.html</a>
>
>Valete, Consul L Equitius Cincinnatus
So, in other words, you meant to say:
"Me."
Vale,
Germanicus
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