| Subject: |
Re: Trebuchet |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:44:52 EST |
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In a message dated 1/18/99 8:21:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wr--------:
<< trebuchet plans in my files! >>
Trebuchet is incorrect. THe ROMAN machine was called an Onager!
Q Fabius.
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| Subject: |
Re: Provincial Governor Appointment |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:37:09 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salve and Congratulations on your apointment to Provincial Governor. I
am sure that you will do well in your new position, and if I personnaly
be of any service to you whatsoever, my dear sir, You have only but to
ask.
Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor
Military Tribune
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Tribune Militiaris Appointment |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:44:10 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve and Congratulations to you on your new appointment. I welcome you
to the ranks of the Tribunes Militari, and exhult with you in regard to
the joy of your promotion. I toast you in a "bumper" of Falernian to
your new rank and your duty assignments to come!
Welcome Brother Officer, and Brother Comrade-In-Arms!!!!!
Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor
Military Tribune
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Antonius Gryillius Graecus; Presentation |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:51:42 -0500 (EST) |
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Slave and Congratulatios my fiend for being selected for singular an
honor!!! I am much taken by your selection for this task and the honor
that it gives both to you personnally and to you most excellent
provincial website.
I am proud to have a friend as qualified as your self to provide such a
presentation for Nova Roma. You have done excellently in the arena of
politics, and I know, that you excell yourself in the role of
ambassador!
All the best my friend;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor
Military Tribune
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Antonius Gryillius Graecus; Presentation |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:06:19 -0000 |
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Gratias ago tibi, amice Marce Minuci Audens!
I have sugested an 'in vivo' presentation, i.e. a PC connected to the
Internet where conference participants can directly interact with Nova Roma.
With some luck, it will be a major CENSUS for Nova Roma, just like: Welcome
to Rome. Please sign here cives... Next.. =)
Vale!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Propraetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
-----Original Message-----
From: James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 2:51 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Antonius Gryillius Graecus; Presentation
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------br>
Slave and Congratulatios my fiend for being selected for singular an
honor!!! I am much taken by your selection for this task and the honor
that it gives both to you personnally and to you most excellent
provincial website.
I am proud to have a friend as qualified as your self to provide such a
presentation for Nova Roma. You have done excellently in the arena of
politics, and I know, that you excell yourself in the role of
ambassador!
All the best my friend;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor
Military Tribune
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Antonius Gryillius Graecus; Presentation |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:20:15 -0500 (EST) |
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What a great idea!! I endorse it 100%. You could make a list of
general topics for he conference members , together with people to
contact with specific questions in specific areas. I would certainly be
willing to help and I think that several others would as well.
See! I told you that you would do a great job, and already you are
"foaming" with ideas!!!
Your Friend In New Rome;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Antonius Gryillius Graecus; Presentation |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:36:26 -0000 |
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That's a great idea, and it reaches even farther... It's that such a thing
should be added to the Nova Roma Web page, such that people with specific
questions would be easily directed to the right person.
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 3:20 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Antonius Gryillius Graecus; Presentation
What a great idea!! I endorse it 100%. You could make a list of
general topics for he conference members , together with people to
contact with specific questions in specific areas. I would certainly be
willing to help and I think that several others would as well.
See! I told you that you would do a great job, and already you are
"foaming" with ideas!!!
Your Friend In New Rome;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Addition to Nova Roma Web Page |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:45:32 -0500 (EST) |
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Normally, I don't believe there would be a problem, but at the moment,
and for aleast another week, Patricia Cassia has computer problems with
her home comuter and the only one that she can use is at work, and that
is a very limited source.
You could direct the question to her with a question of how long you
would have to wait for the service, or you could simply contact some
members in Nova Roma who would be willing to assist you in this effort;
Venator- I believe you should ask as a food / wine specialist;
and have the Conference members go through you to contact your
assistants for now. That way you can keep a record of who is interested
in what, and if your assistants will reference you as well, then you
will additionally have a record of information transmitted. That data
wil be valuable in follow efforts, and will be useful for your campaign
for higher political office next year!!!!
Good Luck;
Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Addition to Nova Roma Web Page |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:17:34 -0000 |
|
>You could direct the question to her with a question of how long you
>would have to wait for the service
The Conference will be held on September, and as such we have plenty of time
to put these services working, as well as time for me to complete the
Lusitania page. But of course the span of these services are not limited to
the conference and as such, they should be put working as quickly as
possible. I'm also waiting for Patricia Cassia in order to start the Games
of Nova Roma.
Vale amice!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: James Mathe--------lt;a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 3:45 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Addition to Nova Roma Web Page
Normally, I don't believe there would be a problem, but at the moment,
and for aleast another week, Patricia Cassia has computer problems with
her home comuter and the only one that she can use is at work, and that
is a very limited source.
You could direct the question to her with a question of how long you
would have to wait for the service, or you could simply contact some
members in Nova Roma who would be willing to assist you in this effort;
Venator- I believe you should ask as a food / wine specialist;
and have the Conference members go through you to contact your
assistants for now. That way you can keep a record of who is interested
in what, and if your assistants will reference you as well, then you
will additionally have a record of information transmitted. That data
wil be valuable in follow efforts, and will be useful for your campaign
for higher political office next year!!!!
Good Luck;
Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Trebuchet [scorpion, wild-ass, bolt-thrower, etc. ad ...] |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:12:21 -0800 |
|
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 1/18/99 8:21:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wr--------:
>
> << trebuchet plans in my files! >>
> Trebuchet is incorrect. THe ROMAN machine was called an Onager!
>
> Q Fabius.
You don't really think we didn't know that, nor all the variatios in
nomenclature? =({;-)
But he has the plans for a trebuchet. And drives an automobile, not a wagon
nor a chariot.
Party like it's 2752! [some emoticon for humor and party fireworks w/
balloons]
Ericius
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| Subject: |
Re: Trebuchet [scorpion, wild-ass, bolt-thrower, etc. ad ...] |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:12:28 EST |
|
In a message dated 1/19/99 8:14:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< You don't really think we didn't know that, nor all the varieties in
nomenclature? =({;-) But he has the plans for a trebuchet. And drives an
automobile, not a wagon nor a chariot. >>
Pro Praetor. Did you flunk basic Siege craft 101?
A Trebuchet is a two-armed machine that has a counter weight at the end of one
arm, which is used to whip the other end which holds the payload through an
arc, where at the end of the arc, is propelled through the air. The weight
can be rocks, slaves pulling ropes, or a tractor, (this is what propels the
modern model which throws pianos). (See Diagram.)
The Trebuchet came into existence because the Medievals lost the ability to
fashion tension through the use sinew, to propel their machines. The Onager
(Wild-Ass) was a single arm machine. The arm that would hold the payload was
attached to a crossbeam so the whole thing looked like an inverted "T." This
crossbeam was secured in a frame, and wound with sinew. When the weapon is at
rest the payload end is straight up, when it's cocked, the end is laying
parallel to the ground. (See Diagram)
The name must have come about because when the weapon is shot, the arm whips
through a short 90 arc, hurls the payload at the top of the arc, then the arm
smashes into a wood stop. So much trouque is developed that the machine's
recoil causes the machine leap up in the air, briefly. The one I saw
demostrated in England was throwing a 10 pound stone. It jumped off the
ground, three feet, on each shot. An apt named kicking donkey.
Both these machines are "high trajectory" weapons. That is, the payload soars
through a high arc before coming to earth.
Skorpions are bolt throwers. They are like oversize crossbows, except they
don't use a bow to transmit stored energy, they use sinew to flex the arms,
which as they spring forward hurls the playload, the Greeks called this type
of machine a Ballista.
Ballistae are low trajectory weapons. The payload skims through the air in an
almost flat arc. This weapon is easier to aim then a high trajectory one.
My point now being, while all machines are catapults, this is a generic term
like rifle is today. A ballista bolt thrower, is different then a stone
thrower. And both are very different from a Onager. And an Onager is very
different from Trebuchet.
We don't call a Thompson Sub Machine-gun a M-16. We don't call a Chaffe a
Abrams. We don't call a Los Angeles class submarine a missile boat. Why do
we have so much trouble with Roman weaponary and military terms?
Vale
Q. Fabius.
Diagram attached
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| Subject: |
Re: Trebuchet [scorpion, wild-ass, bolt-thrower, etc. ad ...] |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:05:15 -0800 |
|
I
know
the
difference.
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:
> In a message dated 1/19/99 8:14:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------/font>
>
> << You don't really think we didn't know that, nor all the varieties in
> nomenclature? =({;-) But he has the plans for a trebuchet. And drives an
> automobile, not a wagon nor a chariot. >>
> Pro Praetor. Did you flunk basic Siege craft 101?
> A Trebuchet is a two-armed machine that has a counter weight at the end of one
> arm, which is used to whip the other end which holds the payload through an
> arc, where at the end of the arc, is propelled through the air. The weight
> can be rocks, slaves pulling ropes, or a tractor, (this is what propels the
> modern model which throws pianos). (See Diagram.)
>
> The Trebuchet came into existence because the Medievals lost the ability to
> fashion tension through the use sinew, to propel their machines. The Onager
> (Wild-Ass) was a single arm machine. The arm that would hold the payload was
> attached to a crossbeam so the whole thing looked like an inverted "T." This
> crossbeam was secured in a frame, and wound with sinew. When the weapon is at
> rest the payload end is straight up, when it's cocked, the end is laying
> parallel to the ground. (See Diagram)
> The name must have come about because when the weapon is shot, the arm whips
> through a short 90 arc, hurls the payload at the top of the arc, then the arm
> smashes into a wood stop. So much trouque is developed that the machine's
> recoil causes the machine leap up in the air, briefly. The one I saw
> demostrated in England was throwing a 10 pound stone. It jumped off the
> ground, three feet, on each shot. An apt named kicking donkey.
> Both these machines are "high trajectory" weapons. That is, the payload soars
> through a high arc before coming to earth.
>
> Skorpions are bolt throwers. They are like oversize crossbows, except they
> don't use a bow to transmit stored energy, they use sinew to flex the arms,
> which as they spring forward hurls the playload, the Greeks called this type
> of machine a Ballista.
> Ballistae are low trajectory weapons. The payload skims through the air in an
> almost flat arc. This weapon is easier to aim then a high trajectory one.
>
> My point now being, while all machines are catapults, this is a generic term
> like rifle is today. A ballista bolt thrower, is different then a stone
> thrower. And both are very different from a Onager. And an Onager is very
> different from Trebuchet.
>
> We don't call a Thompson Sub Machine-gun a M-16. We don't call a Chaffe a
> Abrams. We don't call a Los Angeles class submarine a missile boat. Why do
> we have so much trouble with Roman weaponary and military terms?
>
> Vale
> Q. Fabius.
>
> Diagram attached
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> [Image]
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| Subject: |
Crys has a Question |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:22:38 -0800 |
|
Salve,
Crys wanted me to post this question to the list. Due to the upcoming
birth of Lapis. She wanted to know what she should list as Lapis's
Religion, should it be Pagan, Roman Pagan, Religo Romana, ....any other
suggests. She would really like to have some input in this matter. I
speak to her almost every day, so if she will get the responses. :)
Vale
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanis
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| Subject: |
Re: Provincial Governor Oath of Office |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:32:14 GMT |
|
Vale
Welcome as governor. I live in Great Lakes Provinicia, and I'm happy
you're here.
Lucina Iunia Cypria
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| Subject: |
Crys has a Question |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:39:59 -0500 |
|
Salve et Avete Omnes
I would say if she intends to worship the Gods and Goddess of Roma then
she ought to use "Religio Romana". That's my vote anyway :-)
Valete, L Equitius Cincinnatus
>
>Crys wanted me to post this question to the list. Due to the upcoming
>birth of Lapis. She wanted to know what she should list as Lapis's
>Religion, should it be Pagan, Roman Pagan, Religo Romana, ....any other
>suggests. She would really like to have some input in this matter. I
>speak to her almost every day, so if she will get the responses. :)
>
>Vale Lucius Cornelius Sulla
>Praetor Urbanis
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| Subject: |
Re: Crys has a Question |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:41:14 GMT |
|
Salve
Ouch, that's a sticky question. I think Crys ought to raise little lapis
knowing of the Religio as part of Paganism and see what Lapis is drawn
to.
Vale
L. Iunia Cypria
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| Subject: |
Re: Trebuchet |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:51:54 -0600 |
|
Ave Q. Fabius!
Thank you for the proper term! I shall add this to my files.
Vale - Venator
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 1/18/99 8:21:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wr--------:
>
> << trebuchet plans in my files! >>
> Trebuchet is incorrect. THe ROMAN machine was called an Onager!
>
> Q Fabius.
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Crys has a Question |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:00:47 EST |
|
>From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>Salve,
>
>Crys wanted me to post this question to the list. Due to the upcoming
>birth of Lapis. She wanted to know what she should list as Lapis's
>Religion, should it be Pagan, Roman Pagan, Religo Romana, ....any other
>suggests. She would really like to have some input in this matter. I
>speak to her almost every day, so if she will get the responses. :)
>
>Vale
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla
>Praetor Urbanis
Bless her heart, I think she should list it whatever way pleases her
best! For my part, that's the kind of blank into which I enjoy putting
"Yes."
Vale,
L. Sergius Australicus
si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
(If it ain't broke, don't fix it.)
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| Subject: |
Re: Crys has a Question |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:10:55 EST |
|
In a m--------g--------t--------/19/99 5:23:13 PM EST, <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< Crys wanted me to post this question to the list. Due to the upcoming
birth of Lapis. She wanted to know what she should list as Lapis's
Religion, should it be Pagan, Roman Pagan, Religo Romana, ....any other
suggests. She would really like to have some input in this matter. I
speak to her almost every day, so if she will get the responses. :) >>
Why does she need to list a religion? Is it required on the birth
certificate?
If so, I would say she should list it "Pagan". My reason being is that it is
an umbrella term. Does Crys follow the Religio Romana to a "t"? Is
everything in her spirit of "Roman" pagan origin? Only she can answer these
questions, but to me saying "Roman Pagan" is like saying "Indian Hindu" and
"Religio Romana" doesn't mean anything to others outside NR.
Just my two cents....but then again, this label debate has been discussed
before.
--Dexippus
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