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The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera |
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"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
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Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:51:02 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes!
This statement follows the correspondence I've been exchanging with our honoured Tribune Plebis Avidius Tullius Callidus.
As you may know, as Aedile Plebis I have also religious duties, nmely those that concern the Plebeian Cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera. Please refer to the Nova Roma page on the Gods and Goddesses, which states amont other things:
«
Ceres is the goddess of agriculture. During a drought in 496 BCE, the Sibylline Books ordered the institution of the worship of Demeter, Dionysus and Persephone, called by the Latin names of Ceres, Liber and Libera. Ceres was the goddess of the plebians: the plebian aediles cared for her temple and had their official residences in it, and were responsible for the games at the Cerealia, her original festival on August 12-19. There was a women's 9-day fast and festival when women offered the first corn harvest to Ceres, originally celebrated every four years, but later held every October 4.
Liber Pater. God of the vine. Associated with the Greek God Bacchus.
»
I still don't know when were the Liberalia (festivals of Liber and Libera) festivals celebrated, but I will find out.
In order to better perform my duties, It would be fine if I had some statuary. I'm thinking of buying a statuette of Ceres and Proserpina and another of Dionysus, thus completing the triad. Nevertheless, I don't know if it would not be better to have official statuettes blessed by the Auguri and Pontifex Maximus, which would from year to year pass from Aedile Plebis to Aedile Plebis.
What do you think would be better?
Valete!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Aedile Plebis)
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| Subject: |
Societas Hellenica Antiquariorum: take a look!!! |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:23:50 -0000 |
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Salvete!
We have lots to learn with these guys. The Cosmologic teachings of this page are very valuable for us:
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/7773/index.html" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/7773/index.html</a>
Valete!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Another person looking for help/info |
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Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:47:41 EST |
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Salvete omnes,
We've had yet another question sent in to the website... any volunteers to
help? Once again, this person is NOT on the Nova Roma Internet list, so if you
have helpful info for them you'll want to Email them directly at:
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174059132009175134187248242248147208071048" >MsKitty15@--------</--------; . If you know of --------books/websites th--------ill help this
person, please let them know! :)
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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In --------ss--------d-------- 99-01-22 18:44:25 EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174059132009175134187248242248147208071048" >MsKitty15@--------</--------; writes:
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I am doing a project for English. We are having a Toga Party, and I am on the
decorations committee. I was wondering if you knew anything about how Romans
decorated their houses or anything that might help me in my search for
information on this subject. I have looked everywhere and so far have had no
luck. Thank you.
Annie
>>
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| Subject: |
Re: The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:23:54 -0500 |
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Salvete Antone Grylle et alii
Somehow I think that it may be too logistically challenging to pass statuary
down among magistrates. Who would file insurance claims when the statues
were damaged or lost (and they inevitably would be) in transit from Europe
to America or to Asia?
I don't know the cost of statuary, but I imagine that it is significantly
expensive for most of us. I understand your point about getting it to help
you perform your duties, but I dont think that Aediles should have to
procure such things. Perhaps the recommendation should be that Aediles
procure, or fashion themselves, some images of these deities.
After all, if we force the Aediles to spend all their money on statuary, how
will they pay thereafter to wine and dine us :)?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Grilo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 5:42 AM
Subject: [novaroma] The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera
In order to better perform my duties, It would be fine if I had some
statuary. I'm thinking of buying a statuette of Ceres and Proserpina and
another of Dionysus, thus completing the triad. Nevertheless, I don't know
if it would not be better to have official statuettes blessed by the Auguri
and Pontifex Maximus, which would from year to year pass from Aedile Plebis
to Aedile Plebis.
What do you think would be better?
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| Subject: |
Re: The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:54:36 -0000 |
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Salve amice Merulle et al!
>After all, if we force the Aediles to spend all their money on statuary, how will they pay thereafter to wine and dine >us :)?
Well, devotion and prayer are wine and dine to the soul! =)
Then I think that I will buy my own statuary in order to build a personal shrine, where I can practice my personal devotion as well as my public duties.
Valete!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Aedile Plebis et Propraetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
-----Original Message-----
From: RMerullo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 5:28 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera
Salvete Antone Grylle et alii
Somehow I think that it may be too logistically challenging to pass statuary down among magistrates. Who would file insurance claims when the statues were damaged or lost (and they inevitably would be) in transit from Europe to America or to Asia?
I don't know the cost of statuary, but I imagine that it is significantly expensive for most of us. I understand your point about getting it to help you perform your duties, but I dont think that Aediles should have to procure such things. Perhaps the recommendation should be that Aediles procure, or fashion themselves, some images of these deities.
After all, if we force the Aediles to spend all their money on statuary, how will they pay thereafter to wine and dine us :)?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Grilo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 5:42 AM
Subject: [novaroma] The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera
In order to better perform my duties, It would be fine if I had some statuary. I'm thinking of buying a statuette of Ceres and Proserpina and another of Dionysus, thus completing the triad. Nevertheless, I don't know if it would not be better to have official statuettes blessed by the Auguri and Pontifex Maximus, which would from year to year pass from Aedile Plebis to Aedile Plebis.
What do you think would be better?
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| Subject: |
Re: Party time? |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:21:41 -0600 (CST) |
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On 01/25/99 11:47:41 you wrote:
>
>In --------ss--------d-------- 99-01-22 18:44:25 EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174059132009175134187248242248147208071048" >MsKitty15@--------</--------; writes:
>
><<
> I am doing a project for English. We are having a Toga Party, and I am on the
> decorations committee. I was wondering if you knew anything about how Romans
> decorated their houses or anything that might help me in my search for
> information on this subject. I have looked everywhere and so far have had no
> luck. Thank you.
If we help her out, do we get invited to the Toga Party?
-- Flavia Claudia
Carpe Cavia Aperea Porcellus!
(Sieze the Guinea Pig!)
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| Subject: |
Re: The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:50:28 -0500 |
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In order to better perform my duties, <snip>, which would from year to year pass from Aedile Plebis to Aedile Plebis.
What do you think would be better?
Salvete Quirites
I think that for now the best thing to be done is to build your "personal shrine(s)", but do set aside funds to contribute for the building of "our" temples and shrines. Marcus Cassius is working to develop stamps and coins to help Nova Roma raise funds for the our goals. There is also the Macellum perhaps, Nova Roma should propose to some of the statuary companies if they would like to join our Macellum and offer us a portion of the income like JBL and Amazon.com. What do you think eveyone? Censores?
Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
Salvete Antone Grylle et alii
Somehow I think that it may be too logistically challenging to pass statuary down among magistrates. <SNIP>
After all, if we force the Aediles to spend all their money on statuary, how will they pay thereafter to wine and dine us :)?
Valete, Gaius Marius Merullus
Salve amice Merulle et al!
Well, devotion and prayer are wine and dine to the soul! =)
Then I think that I will buy my own statuary in order to build a personal shrine, where I can practice my personal devotion as well as my public duties.
Valete!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Aedile Plebis et Propraetor ad Lusitaniam Provinciam)
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| Subject: |
Re: The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera |
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| Date: |
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:16:36 EST |
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In a m--------g--------t--------/25/99 2:50:25 PM East--------Standard Tim--------lt;a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=081056091108082153015038190036129" >v--------l@--------</a>
writes:
<< I think that for now the best thing to be done is to build your "personal
shrine(s)", >>
There is currently a shrine to Venus in the home of of this Augur. If anyone
is ever in the Lodi, NJ area and wishes to visit the shrine, please let me
know.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Crys is in labor |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:26:47 GMT |
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Salve
Let Crys know my thoughts are with her and the babe.
Vale
Lucina Iunia Cypria
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| Subject: |
Re: The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:31:31 GMT |
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Salve,
I think that's a great idea. I was wondering where you got your info on
the cults. I've been doing research since this summer on the cults of
Diana and Iuno b oth for my gens and as part of my work as Curule
Aedile, and I've been faced with a dearth of good resources on the
subject unless I want to bankrupt myself and order them all or do the
same by paying tuition for another year at Notre Dame just so I can have
library priviledges. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Vale,
Lucina Iunia Cypria
Curule Aedile
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| Subject: |
Re: The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:41:18 GMT |
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Salve Dexippius
If I'm ever in NJ, you can bet I'll drop by and see. Once spring finally
arrives, I'll be planting a special garden with herbs and such sacred to
the Gods of Roma and I'm going to see about a piece of statuary for the
center. Anyone know of a good place to get statues in the midwest?
Vale
Lucina Iunia Cypria
Curule Aedile
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| Subject: |
Re: Statues: wasThe Plebeian cults |
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| Date: |
Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:35:06 EST |
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Salvete,
Consul Equitius asks if Nova Roma should approach the statuary companies to
see if they might be interested in joining our Macellum. I think that's a
great idea. We need more resources in this area. Finding appropriate statues
is rather difficult. Even companies that do offer classical reproductions
generally have a fairly limited range of figures available. Toscano has a
selection of classical figures, and I was able to obtain a very nice Dancing
Faun and a Hercules from them. Now, most of Toscano's statues are done in
"weather proof museum quality resin" rather than marble or bronze, but the
quality is good and the prices reasonable. Eleganza has a range of figures in
marble and bronze, with imperial price tags, and they claim to be able to
obtain just about anything from their sources in Italy. Speaking of Italy,
are there any Italian statuary companies that are able to sell direct to
consumers in the USA ?
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus
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