Subject:	Sodalitas Militiarum
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:08:04 -0500

Salvete Quirites!

I am pleased to announce that the Senate has voted, by
majority vote, to approve the founding of a Sodalitas Militiarum
(Fellowship of Military things). Anyone interested in joining should contact
Quaestor Marcus Minucius Audens
at: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
May the Gods bless all his undertakings.

On behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma,
Consul Cincinnatus

Valete

Subject:	Roman Festivals - site
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:51:41 -0000

Yes! Here is a site with the festivals:
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6946/festivals.html" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6946/festivals.html</a>


The Liberalia are on the 17th March!!!! This year they won't be forgotten and shall have their prayers and incence!
I think this should be added to the Nova Roma page concerning the Gods Liber and Libera.

Valete!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Aedile Plebis)

Subject:	Primus Fabius
From:	"Fabio Incutti" incutti@--------
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:01:04 +0100

Salvete cives,

I apologize forr beeing away for a long time without any previous notice.
Unfortunately, since the election time, a number of events have occured to
me.

In brief, I've had the announce of a baby on its way (someone had the new
one month ago, in taverna, before the black-out), I moved to Milan from
Rome (where I return every weekend), I changed my work. You'll understand
why my computer rested switched off up to today.

Since I could not go trought the whole 2534 messages (sigh) in my e-mail
folder, I'd appreciate a really brief summary on the recent facts in NR:
did anything interesting happen?

Well, consider me back to all exent.

Gratia omnibus.

Primus Fabius

Subject:	Festivals of Plebeian Cults revisited...
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:38:48 -0000

Salvete plebes et omnes!

Note: it seems that there is an error on the Nova Roma homepage. The Cerealia were held from April 11 to April 19 and not August.
As Aedile Plebis, I hereby inform you about the festivals of the Plebeian Cults of Ceres, Liber, Libera and Fortuna:

- February:
2 - Festival of Ceres

-March:
17 - Liberalia to Liber and Libera


-April
1 - Veneralia to Venus Verticordia and Fortuna Virilis (!!), Festival of Ceres
11 - Festival of Ceres begins
12 - Festival of Ceres continues
13 - Festival of Ceres continues
14 - Festival of Ceres continues
15 - Festival of Ceres continues
16 - Festival of Ceres continues
17 - Festival of Ceres continues
18 - Festival of Ceres continues
19 - Festival of Ceres ends with the Cerealia


-June
11 - Festival of Fortuna
24 - Festival of Fors Fortuna

-August
1 - Festival of Ceres
24 - Festival of Ceres


-September
23 - Festival of Ceres

-October
1 - Festival of Ceres
4 - Festival of Ceres begins
5 - Festival of Ceres ends


-November
4 - Plebeian Games begin
5 - Plebeian Games continue
6 - Plebeian Games continue
7 - Plebeian Games continue
8 - Plebeian Games continue
9 - Plebeian Games continue
10 - Plebeian Games continue
11 - Plebeian Games continue
12 - Plebeian Games continue
13 - Plebeian Games continue
14 - Plebeian Games continue
15 - Plebeian Games continue
16 - Plebeian Games continue
17 - Last day of Plebeian Games
18 - Festival of Ceres


-December
3 - Festival of Ceres

Some of the festivals are held jointly with the festivals of other deities. I will keep the Plebs informed about the dates of these festivals so that you can dedicate your prayers. I'll also keep you informed on concomitant festivals, which shall be held in collaboration with other priests and/or magistrates.

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
(Aedile Plebis)

Subject:	Oath of Office
From:	"Fabio Incutti" <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=210071219182175134036218072036129208" >incutti@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:07:08 +0100

I, Primus Fabius Cunctator do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the
Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Primus Fabius Cunctator swear to do honor
to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Primus Fabius Cunctator further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Praetor of Italiae Provincia to the best
of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Praetor of Italiae Provincia and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Subject:	Re: The Plebeian cults of Ceres, Liber and Libera
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:09:12 EST

In a message dated 1/25/99 6:43:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> writes:

<< Anyone know of a good place to get statues in the midwest? >>

Design Toscano has great statuary. That's where I got the statue of Venus for
the Shrine.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Statues at the Macellum
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:12:24 EST

Salvete,

I haven't seen anyone mention it, but we DO have a statuary supplier already
in the Macellum! JBL statues offers statuary at a discount to Citizens of Nova
Roma... and they have a good variety of Roman deities including a Lar, Vesta,
etc. They even have some outdoor pieces. NOTE: It's good to order their
complete catalog... they have *many* Roman pieces which are marked as Celtic,
etc, ie their Triple Bridget which is really a Roman statue of Hecate. Oh, not
only do Citizens get a discount, but 10% of each sale will be given to the
Nova Roma treasury. Just be sure to tell them that you're ordering from the
Nova Roma website!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


In a message dated 99-01-25 23:40:55 EST, Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus writes:

<< Salvete,
Consul Equitius asks if Nova Roma should approach the statuary companies to
see if they might be interested in joining our Macellum. I think that's a
great idea. We need more resources in this area. Finding appropriate
statues
is rather difficult. Even companies that do offer classical reproductions
generally have a fairly limited range of figures available. Toscano has a
selection of classical figures, and I was able to obtain a very nice Dancing
Faun and a Hercules from them. Now, most of Toscano's statues are done in
"weather proof museum quality resin" rather than marble or bronze, but the
quality is good and the prices reasonable. Eleganza has a range of figures
in
marble and bronze, with imperial price tags, and they claim to be able to
obtain just about anything from their sources in Italy. Speaking of Italy,
are there any Italian statuary companies that are able to sell direct to
consumers in the USA ?
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus

Subject:	New Rome
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:57:02 EST

I just had a quirky idea. What about making a new Rome? The new Rome would
be based in one of those poor african countries on the coast and would take up
around oh...10 or 20 square miles. The people would be given a portion of any
money it made, and the place would be both for reenactors and scholars but
also could be used as a vacation spot for anyone that wants to get away from
the hustle of daily life (or for those people that hate technology, it could
become something of a home).

In addition, perhaps it could be one of a series of theme cities. Perhaps
others for medieval time periods, one that is futuristic, etc. Just some
thoughts. If anyone's curiosity is piqued by this let me know <grin>. To me
it sounds okay, but then again I'm not your average Joe.

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:08:58 -0000

Salve!

And do you think that the government of those 'poor african countries on the
coast' of yours would be willing to give us that territory?

Vale!

Antonius Gryllus Graecus

-----Original Message-----
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------; <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------;
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:58 PM
Subject: [novaroma] New Rome


>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------;
>
>I just had a quirky idea. What about making a new Rome? The new Rome
would
>be based in one of those poor african countries on the coast and would take
up
>around oh...10 or 20 square miles. The people would be given a portion of
any
>money it made, and the place would be both for reenactors and scholars but
>also could be used as a vacation spot for anyone that wants to get away
from
>the hustle of daily life (or for those people that hate technology, it
could
>become something of a home).
>
>In addition, perhaps it could be one of a series of theme cities. Perhaps
>others for medieval time periods, one that is futuristic, etc. Just some
>thoughts. If anyone's curiosity is piqued by this let me know <grin>. To
me
>it sounds okay, but then again I'm not your average Joe.
>
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Subject:	New Rome (2)
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:07:49 EST

Well my other idea is that those there for vacationing would have a cognomen
that reflected visitor or something, or possibly that they would be the lower
class while the people that lived there for long periods of time or worked
there would be the upper class.

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:10:32 -0800

This would be a very large step for us to take, especially at this juncture.
First off, you would need city planning, public safety, defense, since I dont
think we could get the land free. And since we could not get hte land free, we
would have to have a military force. Public utilities. and some Baths since
well...we are Rome! and all this is just the tip of the Iceberg. All of this
costs massive amounts of money. How do you propose we pay for this? and for all
of our yearly services?

In the long run, this might be a good idea. But, I have a degree in public
administration and city planning. This is very intense and very expensive
endeavor for us to take.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanis

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------;
>
> I just had a quirky idea. What about making a new Rome? The new Rome would
> be based in one of those poor african countries on the coast and would take up
> around oh...10 or 20 square miles. The people would be given a portion of any
> money it made, and the place would be both for reenactors and scholars but
> also could be used as a vacation spot for anyone that wants to get away from
> the hustle of daily life (or for those people that hate technology, it could
> become something of a home).
>
> In addition, perhaps it could be one of a series of theme cities. Perhaps
> others for medieval time periods, one that is futuristic, etc. Just some
> thoughts. If anyone's curiosity is piqued by this let me know <grin>. To me
> it sounds okay, but then again I'm not your average Joe.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at <a href="http://www.onelist.com" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com</a> and
> select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:17:13 EST

The plan would be that we'd either pay them for it or we look for one that
doesnt have a government in the standard usage of the word and then simply
talk to the people that own the land. Paying them for it would come in the
way of giving them like 10-20% of the revenue of visitors or something. For
vacationers it would be like $500-$1000/month (the price of a very good rented
house) or something and that would mean if we got say 100 visitors on average
year round (especially in winter) that could be around $100,000 a month (with
10,000 or 20,000 going to the people we got the land from - this is equivalent
of almost 500 years of average wages for a person out there just with that
10-20%.) And thats only 100 people.

And the place would of course not only be a tourist attraction. We'd create
some jobs over there too (the people there could, if they wanted, take up a
well-paying farming job - which would account for much of the food there).
First off, the city is not going to be 20 square miles of course, so much of
that land would become irrigation ditches, along which we'd have vegetables
and such growing. I have more ideas but I'll let you digest this first.

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:27:08 EST

City planning would a big thing, yes, but I don't think it would be such an
enormous task that it is impossible. The city layouts would be overseen (in
my view) by both artists and architects to make them look as beautiful as
possible and very functional. Well lit streets by well-placed torches, etc.
Plumbing and utilities are all things that would be kept in mind. Public
safety would be in the form of the soldiers (who would actually be a volunteer
police force composed of citizens, but they'd look like roman soldiers). As
for defense, I doubt we'd need any if we stay on the good side of the
government, but a GIANT step once we have a large enough population would
actually be to form a roman army and do things that way... (of course, I dont
think this would ever happen, and I wouldnt recommend it).

Medicines would be kept on hand (possibly herbal equivalents??).

Expense? Yes there'd be an expense but I think we'd make back 10 times what
we spend off tourism. And think of the royalties of any books that we wrote
about it! And national geographic would be over there, we'd be on the cover
of Time, smithsonian, etc. To me it sounds pretty darn good.

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:59:22 -0800

Is someone pulling our figurative leg again? This can't be serious. Remember
last year when Claudia Aprica joked that we should get a Caribbean island to build
on? That caused a flame war. And that was just over whether we would do it
"right". This one is a hoot! AFRICA! Yes, extraterritoriality and colonialism
(economic and the old fashioned kind) have really done well there. And been so
well received too! I really can't go too much into the humor of the proposal
because someone might think I was being nasty, much less had an "ethnic right" to
say anything. I guess all I can do is shake my head (and chuckle under my
breath). Though i do have to speak to Sulla about his response. Of the "serious
issues" he addressed he forgot the heavily armed... a lot of things. Including
how the people whose homeland it was would like the idea. ... I gottas stop
before I lose even the pretense of it being humorous...

C. Aelius Ericius.
who studies the present as well as the past

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------;
>
> I just had a quirky idea. What about making a new Rome? The new Rome would
> be based in one of those poor african countries on the coast and would take up
> around oh...10 or 20 square miles. The people would be given a portion of any
> money it made, and the place would be both for reenactors and scholars but
> also could be used as a vacation spot for anyone that wants to get away from
> the hustle of daily life (or for those people that hate technology, it could
> become something of a home).
>
> In addition, perhaps it could be one of a series of theme cities. Perhaps
> others for medieval time periods, one that is futuristic, etc. Just some
> thoughts. If anyone's curiosity is piqued by this let me know <grin>. To me
> it sounds okay, but then again I'm not your average Joe.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription
> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at <a href="http://www.onelist.com" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com</a> and
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Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:07:53 EST

Salve,

I vote for the Isle of Capri as the site of Nova Roma.

Vale
Q Fabius.

Subject:	Re: New mailing-list on ancient cooking
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:34:20 EST

Salvete!
For the Epicurians of the nation, don't miss this.

In a message dated 1/26/99 2:28:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=173075235009056116033241065119172222078102031196077130152150" >Julien.Courtoi--------..</a> write--------r>
<< I am proud to announce my new mailing list: <a href="mailto:Apicius@--------" >Apicius@--------</a>

This list is for sharing experiences in Antique Roman cookery.

Relevant sujects are: Discussion on antique roman/celt/greek cooking
recipes, ingredients finding or growing, antique beverages, historical
background, special announcements on the suject (invition for an orgy
;-> ), etc...

Let Apicius be with you!

subscribing/unsubscribing: <a href="http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Apicius" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Apicius</a>

Julien>>

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:46:14 -0600 (CST)

On 01/26/99 17:07:53 you wrote:
>
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
>Salve,
>
>I vote for the Isle of Capri as the site of Nova Roma.

I'm with Fabius! Besides, we can always use Tiberius' old place. Maybe it needs a little redecorating (a real fixer-
upper), but who cares?

-- Flavia Claudia


Carpe Cavia Aperea Porcellus!
(Sieze the Guinea Pig!)

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:49:18 -0600 (CST)

On 01/26/99 13:59:22 you wrote:
>
>From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
>Is someone pulling our figurative leg again? This can't be serious. Remember
>last year when Claudia Aprica joked that we should get a Caribbean island to build
>on? That caused a flame war. And that was just over whether we would do it
>"right". This one is a hoot! AFRICA! Yes, extraterritoriality and colonialism
>(economic and the old fashioned kind) have really done well there. And been so
>well received too!

Oh, yeah! It isn't as if this kind of thing hasn't happened before. What are we gonna call it?
Nova Rhodesia?

-- flavia Claudia

Carpe Cavia Aperea Porcellus!
(Sieze the Guinea Pig!)

Subject:	Re: Primus Fabius
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:51:10 -0600 (CST)

On 01/26/99 13:01:04 you wrote:
>
>Fro--------Fabio Incutti" <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=210071219182175134036218072036129208" >incutti@--------</a>
>
>Salvete cives,
>
>I apologize forr beeing away for a long time without any previous notice.
>Unfortunately, since the election time, a number of events have occured to
>me.

You didn't miss much.
Where's my Postcards from Rome (or Milan) for the Eagle?????

-- Flavia Claudia

Carpe Cavia Aperea Porcellus!
(Sieze the Guinea Pig!)

Subject:	Re: New mailing-list on ancient cooking
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:15:54 EST

Is this for nova Roma only or can I put a notice on my Kingdoms list

Olivia

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:24:55 EST

Salvete,
Capri is too expensive. Sicily would be a good choice - centrally located in
the Mediterranean, lots of historic sites, beautiful scenery, tasty local
cuisine, and a lot of semi-vacant countryside. If funds were available you
could actually assemble a 10 or 20 square mile parcel of land. Yes, Sicily
does have a couple of problems - the Mafia and Mount Etna, both of which can
be difficult to deal with. As an alternative, perhaps our wealthier citizens
could (very quietly and discretely of course) start buying up properties in
Rome itself. Wouldn't that be interesting ?
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus

Subject:	Salvete... Checking in...
From:	Mia Soderquist <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=189075253209082116184218164036129208" >tuozine@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:42:12 -0800 (PST)

Salvete...
I haven't posted or chatted much lately, so I thought I would poke my
head up and say that I am still here.

We've all been sick, and I just haven't felt up to sitting at the
keyboard. I have been seaching out learning resources for lingua
latina though. I guess I will have to get a list together to share. :)

Off to bed with me.
Ursula Numeria Fortunata

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:58:46 -0800

I'm quoting the entire text in case anybody wants to do a quick re-read. I wish
to offer ritual apologies to Temale. I have not read the gentes list in a long
time so I am not familiar with you. nor your Roman name. Sulla gave a polite
and
reasoned response. Politeness is always correct and proper, but the reasoning is
way off base. This idea is not realistic. It is absurd. I will not go through
the suggestion point by point with my responses to the select parts of the text.
I am surprised Sulla responded so intellectually when the political realities of
the late @0th Century show that the idea posed by Claudia Aprica months ago was
more down to earth (that we find some island in the Caribbean), and that was
made
in jest, and got carried to absurdity. But AFRICA? No. Sorry. If this was
put
forward seriously, I will do my best not to laugh.

C. Aelius Ericius.
who reads the newspapers. and knows about several centuries of colonial
exploitation of many forms and brand names.

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------;
>
> I just had a quirky idea. What about making a new Rome? The new Rome would
> be based in one of those poor african countries on the coast and would take up
> around oh...10 or 20 square miles. The people would be given a portion of any
> money it made, and the place would be both for reenactors and scholars but
> also could be used as a vacation spot for anyone that wants to get away from
> the hustle of daily life (or for those people that hate technology, it could
> become something of a home).
>
> In addition, perhaps it could be one of a series of theme cities. Perhaps
> others for medieval time periods, one that is futuristic, etc. Just some
> thoughts. If anyone's curiosity is piqued by this let me know <grin>. To me
> it sounds okay, but then again I'm not your average Joe.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription
> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at <a href="http://www.onelist.com" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com</a> and
> select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

Subject:	Re: Statues at the Macellum
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:28:55 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 1/26/99 2:19:47 PM EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >C--------us622@--------</--------; writes:

<< NOTE: It's good to order their
complete catalog... they have *many* Roman pieces which are marked as Celtic,
etc, ie their Triple Bridget which is really a Roman statue of Hecate. >>

Really? I never heard that before. Can someone offer up some history or
facts about this?

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Statues at the Macellum
From:
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:51:55 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 1/26/99 11:29:43 PM E--------rn St--------rd Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
writes:

<< << NOTE: It's good to order their
complete catalog... they have *many* Roman pieces which are marked as
Celtic,
etc, ie their Triple Bridget which is really a Roman statue of Hecate. >>

> Really? I never heard that before. Can someone offer up some history or
facts about this?

I really don't have facts to offer... I've seen the originals that JBL
modelled after in museums and/or books. And, as a dealer in authentic ancient
artifacts, I've got a clue. There are of course a LOT of Classical statues, so
remembering the providence of any one piece is a little difficult. If you look
at JBL's "Triple Bridget", however, you'll notice that the goddesses just
happen to be holding the cult items for Hecate... ;) I believe the original
of that particular statue is in the Vatican, the original having been found in
Rome, but hey, I could be way wrong.

I really can't blame JBL for "fudging" in this way. Usually they do it for
Celtic stuff, because the Romans made good statues and the Celts usually
didn't. Take a look at pre-Roman Celtic statuary sometime. They were great
with metal work, but they couldn't sculpt their way out of a paper bag! ;) If
you have a triple goddess statue that's from the Classical world, but need to
offer a Celtic statue to all the rabid Celtic Wiccans out there... you do what
you gotta do.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:46:58 -0600 (CST)

I would like to add a few words to the concept of Nova Roma owning
physical property. First off I think of Nova Roma as actually more of a
group conciousness which can manifest and grow with people of similar
interests, ideals, etc. We will manifest ourselves as various groups of
reenactors, religious communities, study groups within the various
sodales which will undoubtedly form more and more over time, and
including anyone else who has a stake in Nova Roma.

From that point on a natural progression would be those various
local groups that form gathering at meeting places to perform certain
rituals or to go to group events Nova Roma dinners, parties, etc, or a
place to gather in a study group to learn about perhaps brewing and
vinting or the classics or on a particular public field for reenactment.
As time goes on it would seem logical that the largest groups money
permitting would be able to build or buy some land locally to build more
than likely a permanent shrine, grove, or temple of one sort or another
with maybe another group somewhere else perhaps renting a meeting hall
for an event or rent for an every week gettogether and so on. This sort
of thing would seem to me a natural evolution for Nova Roma. It is a
community consciousness and really designed to be community based I
believe. What we lack at this point is any large number of Nova Romans
in any geographically close area to be able to do things in a group
setting. I think in time that can and will change.

Long, long after many such groups and regular getogethers were going
on only then would the concept of having a landed central Nova Roma
really be ready to exist in the context it was meant to -at least I
interpret it that way as most probable. That landed Nova Roma could be a
central point of organization and a culmination of our efforts-
especially important I would think for the interests of the Religio
Romana to take that approach rather than ever to go in with a
DisneyWorld-like themepark route. It would also be an important place
for all central planning- monies from fundraising enterprises to
coordination of national events both pagan and non-pagan, perhaps some
serious archeological research and a Great Library, and of course a
place of several excellent temples that could be built in many years.

To ask if any of you or I will be alive long enough to ever see
that I would guess probably not but this is an organization and it's
about organization building and proper management which will enhance
what Nova Roma is able to return to its citizens. I could be very
mistaken about any or all of this but my guess is that if Nova Roma is
to really succeed as a longlasting, solid and strong entity truly
dedicated to the goals we all set forth it has to follow something
similar to the above. That's my wild guess for today- any disagreements
and then why???


Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: New Rome
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:32:28 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 1/26/99 5:15:35 PM EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------; writes:

<< I vote for the Isle of Capri as the site of Nova Roma. >>

Anyone for Cuba?

--Dexippus