| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Budget; |
| From: |
Temale@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:15:07 EST |
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Just trying to give some constructive criticism here...
First of all I think the construction of temples or the worshipping of pagan
gods is probably turning quite a few people away from joining. Perhaps the
revival of Rome should not include its religious practices, or at least they
shouldn't be so much a part of it.
<<Salvete,
I have a suggestion for a fund raising project. After the stamp and coin
projects are put in place, how about - flags ? Nova Roma has a good flag
design and a number of citizens might be interested in acquiring one. People
have different tastes. The suggestion for a classy Nova Roma baseball cap is
a good one, but I myself would never buy or wear such a thing. I would,
however, buy a flag if one were available.
On funds in general - we have about 200 members, and about 300 dollars in the
Treasury. That seems rather low for a group that wants to change the course
of world civilization by reviving ancient Rome. Are Nova Romans so poor that
we can only afford to create a fund that averages about a dollar and a half
per member ?
If the citizens even gave ten dollars each, that would be enough to get the
stamp and coin projects off the ground, and maybe a couple of other things as
well. And ten dollars is a very trifling amount. It always amazes me that so
many people in this world expect to get something for nothing. I hope this
little tirade doesn't offend anyone, but I think it needed to be said.
Valete,
Quintus Poppaeus Sabinus >>
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| Subject: |
Re: Sodalitas Milatiaruim |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:59:24 EST |
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In a message dated 1/29/99 8:14:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:
<< Nova Roma Constitution forbids acquisition of lands and
peoples by warfare and conquest<<
Spoilsports!! What am I to do with all my Legiones?
Q Fabius
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| Subject: |
Accent on the Religio? (was Re: Nova Roma Budget) |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 03:34:41 -0600 (CST) |
|
Salvete omnes...
I hope we aren't going to get into another tailspin over this...
Temale, you have arrived only recently, so are perhaps unaware of just
how integral religion, the Religio Romana in particular, is to the
lives and outlooks of many of our Citizens. We are attempting to
revive a culture in which religion was very much a consideration in all
of public and a great deal of private life, from the timing of
political gatherings to the timing of births. It would not be Roman
culture without the Religio; it is only the modern world that has seen
the need to separate the doings of man from the involvement of his
gods, and I'm not so sure that's been an improvement.
I am not myself a practitioner of the Religio Romana, but I think I can
be considered an admirer at least; I know something went out of the
world when the Vestal flame was extinguished, and I'm glad to have it
back again. My life would lose a lot of its flavor without the Religio
at least humming loudly in the background! I find this to be true for
most of the people I've had a chance to discuss this with; our
Religionists are uncommonly devoted, and even those who do not follow
the Religio itself tend to be more devout practitioners of whatever
faith they do hold. I have heard many beautiful things expressed on
this List by everyone from Asatruar to Shintoists. Something in the
air here just seems to encourage a near-constant reflection on sacred
things...
There is also a practical benefit to the emphasis on the Religio. It
tends to weed out the intolerant and those who cannot find it in their
hearts to at least respect, if not partake of, other modes of belief.
We are perhaps a great deal smaller because of this, but I think it
makes us truer exemplars of the best of Roman civilization--itself a
very cosmopolitan and tolerant thing. I'll take quality over quantity
anytime!
I do see how an *over-*emphasis on religious matters could be harmful
to our recruiting efforts...but the same could be said of an
overemphasis on domestic life, military affairs (my 'thing'), politics,
social structure and/or any other one aspect of this diverse cultural
setting. In-your-face anything is a turnoff. I prefer to let my
friends who are prospective Citizens know what Nova Roma is about; know
that the Religio is a big part of it, although any individual Citizen
is free to believe as s/he sees fit; know that there is plenty for
anyone to do here in any area of Roman life that appeals to them; and
then let them find their own 'centers', so to speak. I won't push the
Religio, but I will let people know it's there and that it's important
to us. They may then come to it on their own, in time, if it calls to
them. I've always thought that was the best way anyhow! >({|:-)
Yours under the Eagles...
---
__________ _<~) __________
<-\\\\@@@@@) /##\ (@@@@@////-> Märia Villarroel <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
<-\\\@@@@(#####@@@@///-> Historical Re-Creationist
<-\\\*##*///-> and Citizen of Rome
o---<<<<||SPQR||>>>>---o Latin lessons, History lectures
///\\\ Role-playing Games, too!
aka Lucius Marius Fimbria on the weekends
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| Subject: |
Re: Accent on the Religio? (was Re: Nova Roma Budget) |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:38:23 EST |
|
Salve Lucius Marius!
I was about to reply until I read your reply. Your explanation of this
usually explosive issue is the most calm, lucid, and complete statement
I've seen here on this topic. I don't think anything more needs to be
added to it. I wish it could be incorporated into the Republic's public
documents relating to this matter.
I salute you.
Lucius Sergius Australicus
>From: <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
>
>Salvete omnes...
>
>I hope we aren't going to get into another tailspin over this...
>
>Temale, you have arrived only recently, so are perhaps unaware of just
>how integral religion, the Religio Romana in particular, is to the
>lives and outlooks of many of our Citizens. We are attempting to
>revive a culture in which religion was very much a consideration in all
>of public and a great deal of private life, from the timing of
>political gatherings to the timing of births. It would not be Roman
>culture without the Religio; it is only the modern world that has seen
>the need to separate the doings of man from the involvement of his
>gods, and I'm not so sure that's been an improvement.
>
>I am not myself a practitioner of the Religio Romana, but I think I can
>be considered an admirer at least; I know something went out of the
>world when the Vestal flame was extinguished, and I'm glad to have it
>back again. My life would lose a lot of its flavor without the Religio
>at least humming loudly in the background! I find this to be true for
>most of the people I've had a chance to discuss this with; our
>Religionists are uncommonly devoted, and even those who do not follow
>the Religio itself tend to be more devout practitioners of whatever
>faith they do hold. I have heard many beautiful things expressed on
>this List by everyone from Asatruar to Shintoists. Something in the
>air here just seems to encourage a near-constant reflection on sacred
>things...
>
>There is also a practical benefit to the emphasis on the Religio. It
>tends to weed out the intolerant and those who cannot find it in their
>hearts to at least respect, if not partake of, other modes of belief.
>We are perhaps a great deal smaller because of this, but I think it
>makes us truer exemplars of the best of Roman civilization--itself a
>very cosmopolitan and tolerant thing. I'll take quality over quantity
>anytime!
>
>I do see how an *over-*emphasis on religious matters could be harmful
>to our recruiting efforts...but the same could be said of an
>overemphasis on domestic life, military affairs (my 'thing'), politics,
>social structure and/or any other one aspect of this diverse cultural
>setting. In-your-face anything is a turnoff. I prefer to let my
>friends who are prospective Citizens know what Nova Roma is about; know
>that the Religio is a big part of it, although any individual Citizen
>is free to believe as s/he sees fit; know that there is plenty for
>anyone to do here in any area of Roman life that appeals to them; and
>then let them find their own 'centers', so to speak. I won't push the
>Religio, but I will let people know it's there and that it's important
>to us. They may then come to it on their own, in time, if it calls to
>them. I've always thought that was the best way anyhow! >({|:-)
certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
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| Subject: |
Re: Accent on the Religio? (was Re: Nova Roma Budget) |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:27:40 -0500 |
|
Salvete Quirites
Actually the main thing that bothered me was the lack of ownership.
Who ever it was didn't even sign Anonymous. So it was kind of a hit and run
type of comment.
Sorry if this is a "me too" response but I have to say it to you all,
Praetor L Cornelius Sulla, Tribune L Maria Fimbria and Lucius Sergius
Australicus.
I Salute You. Vos Saluto
Do I see the begginings of Concord in Nova Roma? :-)
Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
>
>Salve Lucius Marius!
>
>I was about to reply until I read your reply. Your explanation of this
>usually explosive issue is the most calm, lucid, and complete statement
>I've seen here on this topic. I don't think anything more needs to be
>added to it. I wish it could be incorporated into the Republic's public
>documents relating to this matter.
>
>I salute you.
>Lucius Sergius Australicus
>>
>>I hope we aren't going to get into another tailspin over this...
>>
>>Temale, you have arrived only recently, so are perhaps unaware of just
>>how integral religion, the Religio Romana in particular, is to the
>>lives and outlooks of many of our Citizens
>>
>>I am not myself a practitioner of the Religio Romana, <snip, and I'm glad
to have it
>>back again.
>>
>>There is also a practical benefit to the emphasis on the Religio. It
>>tends to weed out the intolerant and those who cannot find it in their
>>hearts to at least respect, if not partake of, other modes of belief.
>>
>>I do see how an *over-*emphasis on religious matters could be harmful
>>to our recruiting efforts...
>({|:-)
>
>certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
Salve,
I am sorry but I dont know your Roman name, but I think you should read the
front
page of the web page, its states that NR is reconstruction Ancient Rome,
that
means the religion as well as everything else. For many of our citizens the
religion is a very large part of their life....
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| Subject: |
Re: Accent on the Religio? (was Re: Nova Roma Budget) |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:47:25 -0800 |
|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> wrote:
> From: <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
>
> Salvete omnes...
>
> I hope we aren't going to get into another tailspin over this...
Hauptmann Oswald Boelcke, teacher of Rittmeister Manfred Freiherr von Richtofen,
advised that if you go into a spin, turn off the engine and put all controls on
neutral. The aeroplane will stabilize itself, then you can start the engine or
glide to a landing.
This does apply to the type of tailspin that Marius Fimbria is refering to, in
keeping with the Etruscan-Alchemical-Jungian theory of the interrelationship of
Macrocosm to Microcosm, or, as Hermes Trimegistes is credited with saying, "As
above, so below."
Ericius
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Budget; |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:53:20 EST |
|
In a m--------g--------t--------/30/99 0:31:53 AM EST, <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< I am sorry but I dont know your Roman name, but I think you should read the
front
page of the web page, its states that NR is reconstruction Ancient Rome, that
means the religion as well as everything else. >> etc.
YOU GO SULLA!
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Budget; |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:52:11 EST |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 1/30/99 0:16:07 AM EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------; writes:
<< ust trying to give some constructive criticism here...
First of all I think the construction of temples or the worshipping of pagan
gods is probably turning quite a few people away from joining. >>
Then they (such people) need not be a part of Nova Roma!
<<Perhaps the
revival of Rome should not include its religious practices, or at least they
shouldn't be so much a part of it.>>
Then without getting back into this debate...at such time you can say goodbye
to Dex (and a hell of a lot of other Nova Romans who became citizens because
of the religious emphasis).
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: Tailspin |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:09:14 EST |
|
In a message dated 1/30/99 8:49:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< Hauptmann Oswald Boelcke, teacher of Rittmeister Manfred Freiherr von
Richtofen, advised that if you go into a spin, turn off the engine and put all
controls on neutral. The aeroplane will stabilize itself, then you can start
the engine or
glide to a landing. >>
Yeah but look what Boelcke flew, an Fokker Eindeker. (monoplane)
It wasn't as easy when it was in an Albatros D-II,D-III.
Another thing we have in common. Have you played Hostile Aircraft yet?
QFM
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Budget; Tamale |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:43:54 -0600 (CST) |
|
Once again a part of our constitution:
Article I Paragraph 2:
As a nation, Nova Roma shall be the temporal homeland and worldly
focus for the Religio Romana. The primary functions of Nova Roma shall
be to promote the study and practice of pagan Roman civilization,
defined as the period from the founding of the city of Rome in 753BC to
the removal of the altar of Victory from the Senate in 394CE and
encompassing fields as religion, culture, politics , art, literature,
language, and philosophy.
************************************************************************************************************
I really wonder if this is going to have to be the standard
response issued over and over and over again to those select individuals
who don't bother reading the constitution or much about our site before
inquiring on joining Nova Roma. Tamales' post seems almost like saying a
lot more people would join the Sierra Club if they didn't put so much
emphasis on envirementalism and wildlife and just stuck to organizing
vacation trips.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Budget; Tamale |
| From: |
Temale@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:17:44 EST |
|
I see your point. Actually I've read the constitution, and ya I know you're
trying to create as much of Rome as possible. My bad.
In a message dated 1/30/99 11:44:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> --------es:
> I really wonder if this is going to have to be the standard
> response issued over and over and over again to those select individuals
> who don't bother reading the constitution or much about our site before
> inquiring on joining Nova Roma. Tamales' post seems almost like saying a
> lot more people would join the Sierra Club if they didn't put so much
> emphasis on envirementalism and wildlife and just stuck to organizing
> vacation trips.
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| Subject: |
Re: Nova Roma Budget; Tamale |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:22:45 -0800 |
|
Its ok Temale, really, you had a question and we all answered it. Please dont
feel we are being overly critical, its just we have gone through this issue
since the inception of Nova Roma. Not all of it was based on Xtians vs.
Pagans. We have covered the entire gamuet. So to speak. If you have a
question or concern thats why the mailing list is here. We all learn through
inquiries.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanis
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------;
>
> I see your point. Actually I've read the constitution, and ya I know you're
> trying to create as much of Rome as possible. My bad.
>
> In a message dated 1/30/99 11:44:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> --------es:
>
> > I really wonder if this is going to have to be the standard
> > response issued over and over and over again to those select individuals
> > who don't bother reading the constitution or much about our site before
> > inquiring on joining Nova Roma. Tamales' post seems almost like saying a
> > lot more people would join the Sierra Club if they didn't put so much
> > emphasis on envirementalism and wildlife and just stuck to organizing
> > vacation trips.
>
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From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
In --------ss--------d-------- 1/30/99 0:16:07 AM EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=101056014237018198015098190036129" >Tem----------------</--------; writes:
<< ust trying to give some constructive criticism here...
First of all I think the construction of temples or the worshipping of
pagan
gods is probably turning quite a few people away from joining. >>
Then they (such people) need not be a part of Nova Roma!
<<Perhaps the
revival of Rome should not include its religious practices, or at least
they
shouldn't be so much a part of it.>>
Then without getting back into this debate...at such time you can say
goodbye
to Dex (and a hell of a lot of other Nova Romans who became citizens
because
of the religious emphasis).
--Dexippus
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I have to agree with Dex on this one. One of the big draws for me is the
religio. Those who aren't comfortable with this aspect can look
elsewhere for things to do. I, for one, have no wish for us to become
namby pamby about something which was and is integral to the
constitution and the concepts which founded Nova Roma.
Go in the beauty of the Gods,
Lucina Iunia Cypria
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