Subject:	Re: Nova Roma Budget; Tamale
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:44:06 -0500 (EST)

Or that the Boy Scouts of America would really be a neat and fun
organization for adults to join if it wasn't for those darn kids!!!

It is my belief that you are correct, and it will be necessary to repeat
this information periodically not only for the information of those who
do not read the introduction NR page, but also to those who have read
it, but who can't believe what they have read.

As a fairly new member I recall clearly, that I was really intrigued
with how far NR carried their re-enactment into Roman Relegio, never
dreaming that there were those here who are quite serious about it. I
come from a different world in many respects and my ideas and
realizations formed slowly and not instantaneously (I'm not as bright as
the average bear). This phenomena will tag after Nova Roma for the
foreseeable future in my estimation, and as the institution gets
stronger and more well known we will have to deal with it in increasing
volume. I am confident that we will be able to do so, but it will be a
continuing task.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	don't we have a digest?
From:	Asseri@--------
Date:	Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:56:57 EST

Salve,
I tried to get a digest of our massive amount of posts but after nearly a
week with no Nova Roma I can't take it anymore. I went back to the regular
format. I could not find on onelist an explaination of what a digest is for
them and how often they are sent?

Does anyone do Digest or atleast knows the answers to my quest?

Vale

P.A. Olivia

Subject:	Re: don't we have a digest?
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:19:38 -0500 (EST)

I did Onelist Digest on Nova Roma for a week or two, but the problem is
that you canot copy individal messages on my printer, nor can you
separate the messages to enclose with a response. I still use it if I
am going to be away for a few days because my storage is so small (100
messages).

The onelist digest is at maximum 25 messages long, and is normally sent
once a day, in multiples of 25.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Nova Roma Budget; Tamale
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:37:03 EST

>From: Gaius Drusus Domitianus (<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> (Dean Troy)):
[SNIP]
>
> I really wonder if this is going to have to be the standard
>response issued over and over and over again to those select individuals
>who don't bother reading the constitution or much about our site before
>inquiring on joining Nova Roma.

Salve

On some mailing lists, this kind of problem is addressed by periodically
reposting an official statement to the list and/or a pointer to a FAQ
page on the Web.

That way, people just joining in are likely to run into it as they read
the last few (or next few) posts.

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.

Subject:	Nova Roma Budget "Straw-Man"
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:35:01 -0500 (EST)

Salve; Gaius Drusus Domitianus;

In regard to the budget idea. I have asked and reeieved permission from
Consul Cincinnatus to utilize the quaerterly NR Audit figures for the
last quarter of 1998 as starting figures. I propose for the subject
effort that for the financial information that we do not have we simply
make an estimate based on our own ideas in order to complete the
project. I will after consideration by all who are interested submit
the "straw-man" proposal to the senior magistrtes for their
consideration and adjustment of such figures as are necessary. I will
attempt to keep the NR citizens apprised of the progress of this effort
a I am advised in turn by my seniors. Below is my rough idea for a
beginning Budget "straw-man" to start things off:

1998 last quarter audit figures:

Sept, 30, 1998 balance--$152.00;
Bank Service Charge--$10.00;
Deposit-11/03/98--$150.11;
Deposit-01/13/99--$95.00;
Ending Balance--$387.11.

Deposit Total--$245.11;
=$85.00--Eagle Subscriptions;
=$5.00--Fannious Fine;
=$119.00--Contributions;
=$27.51--Amazon; Macellum Contributions;
=$8.40--Sign of the Harp, mac. contrib.

Budget:
Annual NR Projected Costs:
-Internet Costs;
=$25.00 per month (estimate);
=$300.00 Annually (estimate);
-Eagle Charges (100 subscribers--estimate);
=$420.00 Annual Postage (estimate);
=$120.00 Annual Paper / Envelopes
(estimate);
=$70.00 Ink Cartridges (estimate);
-New NR Fund Raising Costs;
=Coin Business-$100.00-1 year (estimate)
=Stamp Business-$100.00-1 year (estimate);

Current Annual Costs-$1230.00

Annual Projected Revenues:
-Eagle Subscriptions (projected estimate):
=$340.00 Annual;
-Existing NR Business Revenues:
=Amazon Com. $100 Annual(Projected);
=Sign of the Harp $40.00 Annual (projected);
=Statuary Business $20.00 (estimate);
-New NR Fund Raising Revenues;
=Coin Business-$300 Annual (estimate);
=Stamp Business-$250 Annual (estimate);
=Papyrus Map / Chart / Picture
Business-$30.00 Annual (estimate);
=Flag Business-$50.00 Annual (estimate);
=Ball Cap Business-$50.00 Annual
(estimate);
=T-Shirt Business-$50.00 Annual (estimate);

Projected / Estimated Annual Income: $1200

With this very rough "straw-man" budget, I now forward this model to you
for any fine tuning that you wish. I also invite all NR citizens to
provide an input to this "Straw-Man" budget as you see fit together with
any fund-raising ideas as they may occur to you. I am keeping a kind of
"idea diary" for NR so we can keep them on record.

Remenber the following:

---There is no bad idea or dumb question except the ones not aired or
shared!

---Ideas need imlimentation, please be willing to do some work toward
fitting your idea to NR and preparing it for consideration.

---Please consider donation of time, effort, services or funding to
support the further develoment of NR. Those who have done so, you are
the heros of the early New Rome. Others, we ask for your consideration
for the individual contributions necessary to make a resounding success
of NR.

Just a few possible additional ideas for items to be made or contracted
for sale:
--Patches;
--Jackets;
--Leatherwork
+wallets / purses;
+Shoulder pouches;
+etc.
--Paintings;
--Sculptures;
--Pottery;
--Carvings (wood or soapstone);
--Canes and Staffs;
--Clothing;
+Outerwear;
+Togas;
+Tunics;
+Belts;
+Footwear.

Most Respectfully submitted for your review and comment;

Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor


Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: don't we have a digest?
From:	Asseri@--------
Date:	Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:15:14 EST

In a message dated 1/31/99 10:20:01 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:

<< The onelist digest is at maximum 25 messages long, and is normally sent
once a day, in multiples of 25. >>
Oh Thank you. I should have asked sooner, darn it i wonder what I missed! wait
a minute I might regret that question. Well at least I now it wasn't
working....

Vale!
Olivia

Subject:	Digest
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:24:49 -0500 (EST)

I hesitate to ask this because I am not very good at all this computer
technology, but do you know how to shift to Digest and back again??

I usually just ask my wife to do it for me, as she is really active on a
digest-quilt list whose volume at times can make Nova Roma lok very very
Provincial!!

Marcus Municius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Nova Roma Budget "Straw-Man"
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:31:31 -0600 (CST)

Before I say anything else I want to wish all of you who are
playing the various football boards tonight the very best of luck.

Now for the budget proposal. First off, it seems that our figuring
on the Eagle costs aren't really that accurate if there is still a
deficit. Foreign mail may have a slight adjustment in postage costs and
ink cartridges might run a bit higher- or whatever. Just based on .33
postage and all the other figures Audens gave us we run to an average of
$4.35 a copy. However, that was loosely based on 100 subscriptions and
without knowing for certain of any other hidden costs. We know that the
cost exceeds the $5.00 subscription fee and that we don't have 100
subscribers last I heard. Since publishing in Nova Roma is so important
to us here is my solution:

Past a certain date- March 1, 1999 all subscriptions go up in
price to $8.50 --- a fair and reasonable market value that people
interested in getting the Eagle to begin with won't be turned off too.
This is a self propetuating Nova Roma Publishing fund. It shouldn't be
used to finance any other activity. It would allow the Eagle room to
naturally expand and also start creating a surplus that could be used in
the future to defray costs on pamphelets or a book, etc---- though not
mass printing of advertising flyers, etc. I don't think that price I
quoted was too arbitrary- I think that's a real fair price and still a
bargain and would yet meet our immediate needs. There is no need to dip
into other areas of the treasury to compensate and also there should not
ever be a need for any other ongoing project to have to dip into the
publishing fund.

Past this, we have an estimated $25.00 cost for the websight and a
$10.00 quarterly bank fee. This is a solid dollar amount we know we need
every single month- even if the websight costed $20 the additional $5.00
could be used toward future software that will help keep us
technologically up-to-date. If the actual cost is $30.00 then that's
what should be initially taken out along with $3.33 a month for the
bank charges.

After the Eagle pays for itself and a set amount taken out of all
incoming funds each month for the websight and bank fees there may be a
surplus in any given month. With a surplus can come certain choices we
can make. My categorization:

Advertising Fund
Land fund
Investment fund ( stamps,coins, t-shirts, hats,etc)
Miscellaneous Fund ( for small hidden expenses that may come up as
the year progresses) Legal Fund ( that will at first just include
our incorporation expenses, any income reporting fees, etc. but will
also be used to protect our international legal rights in the future)

This list I made is not in any particular order. I think our initial
nonprofit corporation fee could be at least partially taken out of our
existing funds as I understand it to be not that expensive- Am I
wrong???

Our investment projects will be a major expense at first but then
be expected to not only hold their own but to turn a profit in a
reasonable amount of time. They will be self-sufficient or some projects
may in the future need to be altered or abandoned depending on what it
is. Any profits can go toward reinvestment in other opportunities for us
and in time will contribute to other social needs- advertising, land,
events, dinners, trips, etc. - the far future.

Establishing an advertising fund is also extremely important. An
overwhelming majority of people don't know we even exist- to put it
mildly. More citizens means more of everything- contributions to the
websight, activities within Nova Roma, ----everything that an
organization wishes to build upon- including revenues --- a lot was
already said previously about advertisement and I think everyone
interested knows all the reasons why so I won't continue.

Here is my final recommendation for our unknown monthly profits
broken down into percents alloted to each fund/activity.

Investment Fund--- 45%
Advertising Fund--- 30%
Land Fund --- 10%
Legal Fund --- 10%
Misc. Fund --- 05%

The Investment Fund can be further broken down into subcategories--
I believe the Quaestor in charge of the bank account can be entrusted to
disburse funds in order of the priorities of the administration--- a
majority for the coins being minted, then stamps or however they would
like it done. I believe the intitial start-up costs for the coins were
considerably higher- I thought I heard someone stating in the hundreds
of dollars for the molds and first run, etc. I would be very hesitant
to make any speculation on the revenues of any investment for a fiscal
year- and actually it couldn't be done with any accuracy- We don't
know/Unknown return. I wouldn't even want to take a guess at potential
return figures.
How is this for a recommendation???? Anyone?


Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: Digest
From:	Asseri@--------
Date:	Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:35:47 EST

Salve!

<< I hesitate to ask this because I am not very good at all this computer
technology, but do you know how to shift to Digest and back again?? >>
well I think I did. I used my account on onelist . The one that tell you what
accounts from them that you are on. Was that the way to do it, or should I
have cancelled the account and resubscribe in digest?


The adventure continues.....

Olivia

Subject:	Re: Digest
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:15:01 -0500 (EST)

My wife and I went this, so this is as right as we can get without
actually clickng on digest myself:

--Go to One-List-Main Page;
--Click on User Center;
--Log In;
--In User Center click on digest for Nova Roma;
--click on change; and that should do it. You should now see a
checkmark in the digest block associated with Nova Roma.

Good Luck!

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!