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Re: Praefecti/Hispania |
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"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:07:14 -0000 |
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Salve Q. Fabi Maxime
>At that time
>Augustus took the last Hispanic city and pacified Hispania. He divided the
>country into three provinces: Tarraconensis, Lusitania and Baetica. I
presume
>your Province includes all of Spain. Therefore your title of Praetor is
>correct.
Provincia Ulterior and Provincia Citerior were each ruled by a Praetor in
Republican times. In order to avoid problems with future spanish citizens,
my provincia corresponds strictly to the Lusitania Provincia created by
Augustus, but with its borders now conforming to Portugal.
Hence should I be called a Procurator if I were in Imperial times?
Vale!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Propraetor Lusitaniae Provinciae
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| Subject: |
Re: Praefecti/Hispania |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:14:26 EST |
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In a message dated 2/1/99 6:00:34 AM Pa----------------andard Time, <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
writes:
<< Hence should I be called a Procurator if I were in Imperial times?>>
To Antonius Gryllus Graecus, Propraetor Lusitaniae Provinciae from Q. Fabius
Maximus.
Salve!
A procurator was someone that collected money. Since minor provinces were
"tied" to the major ones by financial strings I'd say that's a fair
assessment. However, since we are not Imperial, we have no sitting Emperor,
we don't need imperial agents to collect money, (based on Auden's "straw
budget" though I'd say we better start thinking about it), so your Propraetor
ship is the correct title.
BTW just finished Authur Farrell's "Caligua." Well written, with interesting
conclusions. I've told Authur about NR. He is interested in seeing the final
result as far as we are concerned. He believes we are developing faster then
the actual Republic, since we have so much hindsight to work with. You might
mention that fact in your presentation.
Vale
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| Subject: |
Re: Praefecti/Hispania |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:39:38 -0000 |
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Salve Q. Fabi Maxime
>A procurator was someone that collected money. Since minor provinces were
>"tied" to the major ones by financial strings I'd say that's a fair
>assessment. However, since we are not Imperial, we have no sitting
Emperor,
>we don't need imperial agents to collect money, (based on Auden's "straw
>budget" though I'd say we better start thinking about it), so your
Propraetor
>ship is the correct title.
Thank you. I'm trying to contact people from the University of Salamanca
because I am basing myself on a PHD thesis from there.
>BTW just finished Authur Farrell's "Caligua." Well written, with
interesting
>conclusions. I've told Authur about NR. He is interested in seeing the
final
>result as far as we are concerned. He believes we are developing faster
then
>the actual Republic, since we have so much hindsight to work with. You
might
>mention that fact in your presentation.
You can bet I will. Could you tell me more about Authur?
Vale!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Re: Praefecti/Hispania |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:54:41 -0800 |
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Ave Salveque Propraetor A. Gryllus Graecus!
This new round that has been going on about titles is a bit more than just
interesting when one has one of those titles. Your scholarship is always
interesting and often enlightening.
On the matter of what title should go with what offices I am beginning to be
taken aback at the work those of you within the old borders of Roma Antiqua are
seemingly being made to go through to rationalize this title or that. Why taken
aback? Because there is a great deal of this planet that was not within the
roman imperium. If there are Praetors (or propraetors, or whatever) in Nova
Roma, then the governor of one of the ancient provinces should certainly have a
proud title to wear with his (or her or its) toga. In fact, if we were to ever
have a provincia of Egypt I think the Senate and People of Nova Roma should
raise the title of that Provincia to Praetor. If not for the reason of
equality, then for the rationalization of the provincia having been a long
lasting and important part of the realm Roma Antiqua.
Does Nova Roma have too many Praetors? I think the question is off target.
Does Nova Roma have too many administrative districts (i.e. Provinciae)? I
don't think so.
Perhaps we, the Senate and People of Nova Roma, should give some thought to what
these provincia are supposed to do? Why do we have them, and all that stuff.
The first provinicae were obviously the product of people drawing lines on a
blank map. At present we still have the North West US, Western Canada and
Mexico without governors, of the original map of provinicae. Yet we have a
citizen in central Europe who wants to form a province, and obviously do the
work that comes with the job, yet has been put on hold. [To put it politely.]
A provincia has geographical area (for the present) and population. A
population of at least one in the early days of Nova Roma. Let it be "Praetor"
for the title. It is a good title, and it is a hard job. Don't sweat the small
stuff.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor ad Californiam Provinciam
post scriptum:
I wouldn't mind dropping the "pro-"
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| Subject: |
Senate Report |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:25:46 -0600 (CST) |
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To the People and Senate of Nova Roma:
I never figured out whether the Trib Pleb or WHO was going to report on the business before the Senate, so what
the heck, here' s what's going on and who introduced the matter onto the Floor of the Senate:
Recent Voting, and Voting not yet completed:
1) Establishment of Sodalis Pro Coqueror et Coquus (introduced by L. Equitius Cincinnatus)
2) Assignment of Quaestors P. Cassia and M. Audens (introduced by D. Iunius Palladius, decision announced)
3) Establishment of Military Sodalicum (introduced by L. Equitius Cincinnatus, decision announced)
Pending business currently in debate:
1) Changes to Citizenship Applications (introduced by F. Claudia Juliana)
2) Determination of status of inactive Citizens -- are they still interested in participating in NR? And what
procedures should we use to contact these people? (introduced by F. Vedius Germanicus)
3) Assignment of tribes and centuries, which should not be done until the inactive Citizen question is cleared up
and the Citizen Roll updated if necessary (ongoing from previous year)
4) Change of Province names into Latin (introduced by L. Equitius Cincinnatus)
Research still ongoing:
1) Civil law and Twelve Tables research prior to submitting a formal proposal to the Senate
2) Budget
Please note that this is business which has made it to the Floor of the Senate. There are several other matters
which have not yet been formally introduced, most of which are being discussed on this list and/or among the
Senators.
-- Flavia Claudia Juliana
"My life may suck,
but at least I'm not a guest on Jerry Springer."
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| Subject: |
Re: NR Gathering Place / Capitol |
| From: |
Mega--------bin--------<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015232190036129" >amgunn@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:38:29 -0600 |
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Hailsa et Salve L.I. Cypria!
I too, really like the midwest. I'd move back to the Omaha, Nebraska area in a
heartbeat if my wife and i could get gainful employment there. Otherwise, north
central Illinois is pretty good too.
In Amicus and Respect -
Venator - Quaestor, Coquus, Coqueror, Paterfamilias, Etcetera!
Tinnekke Bebout wrote:
> From: "Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a>
>
> Salve,
>
> Nice Idea, but I think I like the midwest better. :)
>
> Vale
>
> L. Iunia Cypria
>
> ----Original Message Follows------------------------------------------
>
> From: Diana/Orbianna <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=197212253112056209171056066140114100071048139" >--------er--------@--------</a>
>
> Salvete,
> I would be happy to meet with you along your journey, should you be in
> the
> Pa/NJ area. I'm sure Dex would be just as happy to receive you, though I
> can't speak on his behalf. Perhaps we could all get together along with
> a
> group from the Mid-Atlantic Province.
> It's interesting that all this has come up when I've been recently
> pondering how nice it would be if there was a branch of Nova Roma
> central
> to my area where there could be gatherings for ritual and socialization
> (together or separately). I just don't think there are enough people
> within
> a reasonable distance to do such. Even Dex lives two hours away from me.
> Everyone should just move here to Philadelphia. After all, this was the
> birthplace of America. I don't see why it couldn't be the same for a
> physical Nova Roma :-)
>
> Valete,
> Orbianna
>
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