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Re: NR Gathering Place / Capitol |
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"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 03 Feb 1999 05:52:28 GMT |
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Salve,
Let's hear it for the midwest!:) I live in Indiana and love it here.
Vale
L. Iunia Cypria
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| Subject: |
Re: Caligua was Re: Praefecti/Hispania |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:15:37 -0500 |
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Salvete
I guess that it was a missing "l" that threw me off.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=100059066056127132015098190036129" >Asseri@--------</--------;
>
>Little Boot, it was a nicknmae provided by his fathers soliders
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Senate Report |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:35:48 -0500 (EST) |
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Vale Senator Flavia Claudia Juliana;
Whoever was supposed to do this job, It is most appreciated that you
have undetaken to keep the NR citizenship abreast of what is going on.
I appreciate it extremely and comments from other civs, indicate that it
is well received over the board. Your efforts as a Senator to date for
the NR civs is indicative of the affection of which you are held in the
eyes of the NR populace.
On behalf of the NR, if I may be so bold, we applaud your efforts and
concern for the citizens of Nova Roma.
Vale Senator Flavia Claudia Juliana;
Most Respecfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Praefecti/Hispania |
| From: |
legion6@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:48:03 -0600 (CST) |
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Salve, Praetor!!
Well, I told you I'd see what I could scare up in my Roman-inscription
book, so here it is--from _Understanding Roman Inscriptions_ by
Lawrence Keppie (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins, 1991; ISBN 0-8018-4322-7
[hardcover] or 0-8018-4352-9 [trade paperback]):
=============================
When Rome felt the need, or saw the opportunity, to intervene in an
area under the Republic, the Senate despatched a magistrate to campaign
there, as his *provincia* (i.e. a sphere of command; the later meaning,
of a precise geographical region, developed from it). If full
annexation was decided upon, the area was assigned on a regular basis.
At first, magistrates were despatched to a province during their year
of office at Rome as consul or praetor. These commands could if
necessary be extended beyond the year of office holding at Rome, and
the holder designated *pro-consul* or *pro-praetor*, having the same
authority as if they were still in office at Rome. By the 80s BC,
magistrates were only very rarely sent during their year of office,
partly because of the distances involved, but could hope for
appointment as a provincial governor, with the title *proconsul* or
*propraetor*, after the year of office at Rome had expired. Where
governors had to rule a sizeable geographical area, they were
authorized to appoint legates to assist them, to whom they 'delegated'
part of their military or juridical responsibilities.
[OK, here comes the fun part]
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| Subject: |
Re: Praefecti/Hispania |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" amg@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:19:46 -0000 |
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Salve Mari Fimbria
Gratias ago tibi amice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But there are issues...
>Proconsul/propraetor:
> - Under the Republic, any Provincial governor who served after having=20
> been a Consul or Praetor.
> - Under the Empire, any governor of a Senatorial Province, one=20
> without an army in it (all called Proconsuls).
This is not absolutely true... Provincia Tarraconensis was Imperial but had
an army and a Proconsul (at least that's what Q. Fabius Maximus says).
>Legatus: =20
> - Under the Republic, governed a subsection of a Province for a=20
> Proconsul/Propraetor.
>Legatus Augusti pro praetore:
> - Under the Empire, governed a Province for the Emperor.
>Legatus Legionis: =20
> - Under the Empire, commander of a Legion.
It makes sense. The Legati Augusti pro praetore in Lusitania were then the
governors. Good. But if they were called pro praetore, who was the Praetor?
The Emperoe himself? Maybe a republican tradition that survived...
>Praefectus:
> - Under the Empire, an equestrian who governed a small Imperial=20
> Province or military district (i.e. Egypt, Iudaea).
> **Note bene: Pontius Pilate was a Praefectus, not a Procurator.
It makes sense. There are no Praefecti found in Lusitania (there were no
troops).
>Procurator:
> - Handled financial affairs in an Imperial Province.
> - From Claudius onwards, the generic name for a Praefectus (except=20
> the Praefectus of Egypt).
It makes sense. Lusitania had a Procurator responsible for the financial
affairs (e.g. mining).
>Quaestor:
> - Under the Republic, a junior magistrate.
> - Under the Empire (still a junior magistrate), handled financial=20
> affairs in a Senatorial Province.
It makes sense. I just would like to find out if Boetica (Senatorial
Provincia) had a Questor...
>Clear as mud?
Yeah! =)
Valete omnes!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
PROPRAETOR PROVINCIAE LUSITANIAE =)
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| Subject: |
Re: Praefecti/Hispania |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:40:21 -0500 |
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Salvete Lucia Maria et alii
Thank you so much for filling us all in on Roman provincial administration
nomenclature.
:From: <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
:
:Well, I told you I'd see what I could scare up in my Roman-inscription
:book, so here it is--from _Understanding Roman Inscriptions_ by
:Lawrence Keppie (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins, 1991; ISBN 0-8018-4322-7
:[hardcover] or 0-8018-4352-9 [trade paperback]):
----excellent excerpts and explanations deleted for space----
In light of this, and since Nova Roma seeks to model itself primarily on the
Roman Republic, it would seem that the current system of naming provincial
officials is quite appropriate. Praetors should remain praetors; if they
are re-appointed, they become Propraetors. Consuls likewise become
proconsuls if they retain administration of their provinces.
Procurator, Praefectus, legatus are names for functions that so far do not
exist here, so let's leave them be for now. I was all gung-ho about the
term "praefectus" a few days ago, but this post has pointed out that the
praefectus was a purely imperial thing.
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
:
:So here's what we get in our box of Crackerjacks (brand of caramel
:popcorn that comes with a toy surprise in the box):
:
:Proconsul/propraetor:
: - Under the Republic, any Provincial governor who served after having
: been a Consul or Praetor.
: - Under the Empire, any governor of a Senatorial Province, one
: without an army in it (all called Proconsuls).
:
:Legatus:
: - Under the Republic, governed a subsection of a Province for a
: Proconsul/Propraetor.
:Legatus Augusti pro praetore:
: - Under the Empire, governed a Province for the Emperor.
:Legatus Legionis:
: - Under the Empire, commander of a Legion.
:
:Praefectus:
: - Under the Empire, an equestrian who governed a small Imperial
: Province or military district (i.e. Egypt, Iudaea).
: **Note bene: Pontius Pilate was a Praefectus, not a Procurator.
:
:Procurator:
: - Handled financial affairs in an Imperial Province.
: - From Claudius onwards, the generic name for a Praefectus (except
: the Praefectus of Egypt).
:
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