Subject:	Re: Pompeii's Insula model
From:	dean6886@--------)
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:03:23 -0600 (CST)

I'm not certain but I think there was a video clip of this piece ( or
one just like it) several or maybe many years ago. Ripleys???

Gaius Drusus Domitianus

Subject:	Re: Is It Time for a DUES Structure ?
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:06:41 -0600 (CST)

On 02/09/99 16:17:51 you wrote:
>

>
>Well...I never said I had a monopoly on the gift of gab...only that I have it.
>And if we meet at a party, we should have a go at it. And the only way I
>would give up is if your breath stank!

Boy, I'd pay big bucks to watch THAT debate!
Provided I could watch from behind a plastic shield to avoid blood splatters from bitch-slapping!

Fun, fun fun!

-- Flavia Claudia


"My life may suck,
but at least I'm not a guest on Jerry Springer."

Subject:	Re: Dues? No. Planning? Yes.
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:14:29 -0500 (EST)

Dean Troy;

I like the cups and pens idea. What would it take to come up with a
design for the cup and the pen and how many would we have to purchase as
a minimum first amount. Who would the cups / pens be shipped to and who
would be the intermediate shipping points for distribution. I am ot
much of a salesman, although oters are, Cold we offer these items to
pesent stores / vendors to sell for us, and who would be the best
people to ontat for that service.

If we could come up with some answers to some of these questions perhaps
we could make a clear proposal to the Magistrates that they can use. Do
not think that I criticize for I do not. I have seen, cups, pens and
t-shirts sold in the style that you talk about, but I do not know the
answers to the questions that I posed. If I did know the answers, I
would post a proposal at once to the Senior Magistarates. If anyone out
there in NR land has some of these answers please voice them and I will
keep a record. Ideas are great things, but implementation procedures
are just as great, and much more practical.

Marcus Minucius Audens
Quaestor

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Money-Making Suggestion
From:	Reina C E anaxarete@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:27:58 -0600

Salve,

This is just a suggestion. I do not know If any one has
brought it up before.
How about a raffle, you know give something Roman away. Hey! That could
be the name of it "Win Something Roman Raffle" brought to you by those
fine folks at Nova Roma! The prizes could be some of those statues and
maybe books with Roman subjects or things like that. "Tickets" could be
cheap 1, 2 or 3 dollars and you could buy as many as you want.
It could, maybe, be an on going thing.


Valete!



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Subject:	Re: Pompeii's Insula model
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:12:38 EST

In a message dated 2/9/99 10:06:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wr--------:

<< I don't know how we'd persuade another Museum to take it, though -- they
have enough storage troubles with their own exhibits. But who do we call to
tell them NOT to throw it out, that we want it and we're trying to do
something about it? >>
Contact <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=029044114112127020138218061036129208" >m--------jl@--------</a> (Roger Ling) or Honor Giles
(<a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=029044114112042192048218061036129208" >m--------mg@--------</a>)
Department of Archaeology,
University of Manchester
Vale!
Q. Fabius (QFM)

Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:21:57 EST

In a message dated 2/10/99 12:31:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243071113154158209184057163248155208071048" >anaxarete@--------</a> writes:

<< How about a raffle, you know give something Roman away. Hey! That could
be the name of it "Win Something Roman Raffle" brought to you by those
fine folks at Nova Roma! The prizes could be some of those statues and
maybe books with Roman subjects or things like that. >>
Salvete!
I'll offer a 25mm diorama setpiece of the Emperor Claudius entering London. I
know it's not Republican but it's the best I can do.
Q. Fabius

Subject:	Re: Dues? No. Planning? Yes.
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:55:38 EST

>From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
>My computer at work spits cute quote on the screen everytime we boot up a
>certain application. This one is pertinent to the current idscussion.
>
>Nothing dispels enthusiasm like a small admission charge.
>
>
>for what it's worth,
>
>Ericius

Salve Ericius (et alii)

That's a very pertinent point. A corollary might be "nothing dilutes
patriotism like a suggestion that one actually do something for one's
country." (In the U. S., this is why it's so hard to find a patriot on
April 15th.)

I am saddened (but not really surprised) by those who oppose taking any
steps toward establishing Nova Roma except chatting about it online. If
we don't put up some money and/or some actual physical labor, there will
never be a Nova Roman state, or a temple, or even a storefront meeting
place. If we don't start now, it will never happen. No matter how loudly
or eloquently or profanely it may debate it, those are the facts.

It should not be necessary to require that every citizen contribute money
in order to retain citizenship. I think it is necessary to require that
every gens contribute money -- perhaps the patrician gentes should be
those that contribute something to the Republic, and the rest who are
content to do nothing for the Republic except chat, should be the plebian
gentes. The latter are, after all, the NR equivalent of the "capita
censi."

If nothing else, this would certainly encourage some of us to recruit
more members for our gentes!

I don't think the Republic as a whole should be contributing anything
toward local meeting places. It is probably undesireable for many
citizens for the Nova Roman Capitol Territory to be located in the United
States. However, the fact is that only the U. S., western Europe, or the
Britain offer the necessary level of political stability to justify any
investment of time, money, and energy in building something there. Not
that there's any long-term guarantee of safety/stability in any of those
places, either.

It is time to start building a treasury that will someday allow Nova Roma
to be a "real world" nation. That means arranging income over and beyond
just meeting annual expenses. The best way to do that would probably be
to invest in some sort of mutual fund or in individual stocks.

Gens Sergia has contributed $5 and an Eagle subscription during the year
just ending. I would be happy to see an organized fund to which we could
contribute a bit more in 2752 a.u.c..

I would also be happy to see a Web page added to record the contributions
of all the gentes (I don't think it should be done on the basis of
individual citizens).

Magistrates? Senators?

Valete,

L. Sergius Aust.


What's the Latin for "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" ?

Subject:	Lusitania is now growing
From:	"Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:01:17 -0000

Salvete omnes

I've the pleasure to announce that Lusitania is now getting new citizens. I'd like to ask about the naming of Legati Civitatis (Legati to take care of a 'Civitate' (District)). I sugest that Praetores shall have the right to name persons at their will to occupy the position, thus bypassing the Senate.

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Propraetor Provinciae Lusitaniae

Subject:	Re: Capitol some place/class/dues?
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:18:53 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 2/9/99 5:36:55 PM E--------rn St--------rd Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
writes:

<< I do hope one day this will change.
>>

Don't like the US much? Or are you just hoping NR will grow really big?

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Dues? No. Planning? Yes.
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:20:29 EST

In a message dated 2/9/99 8:34:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< Nothing dispels enthusiasm like a small admission charge. >>

And the Gods have spoken!

--Dexippus
Augur, NR

Subject:	Re: Meeting Place / Capitol
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:23:21 EST

In a message dated 2/9/99 9:23:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< How about the Nova Roma Hotel in Spain? Remember? >>

I remember! I think it's a fab idea!

<<Dex, You didn't really take that serious? Did ya? I's cool, man.>>

It's all good. No problems here.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Dues? No. Planning? Yes.
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:27:40 EST

In a message dated 2/9/99 11:52:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:

<< Another view can be taken that something that is free is worth very
little, no matter how noble he cause. That lesson is taugt at
everyevent where people gather. free handouts are discarded in mass,
but handouts that cost a cent or two are tucked in bagas to take home. >>

I tend to agree with this view. And we're not talking about an exuberant
amount of dues. I don't think any of us are at a subserviant level of income
that no more than US $20 a year would mean the difference between citizenship
and putting food on the table. I think even Crys can swing it...and if not,
I'm sure someone will help her out.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Meeting Place / Capitol some place?
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:24:37 EST

In a message dated 2/9/99 9:53:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015232190036129" >amgunn@--------</a> write--------r>
<< Rome is the One and Only Capital for all Romans. >>

And I still opt for going in and kicking Johnny Paul out of the Vatican and
reclaiming it....but I guess that's a topic of discussion for another list.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Dues? No. Planning? Yes.
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:31:36 EST

In a message dated 2/10/99 1:05:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> --------es:

<< Is anyone else agreeable to this??? >>

I think it's a great idea. But will NR sell anything that wasn't clearly
"Roman"? Don't know.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:19:10 -0600 (CST)

On 02/10/99 04:21:57 you wrote:
>
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
>In a message dated 2/10/99 12:31:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
><a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243071113154158209184057163248155208071048" >anaxarete@--------</a> writes:
>
><< How about a raffle, you know give something Roman away. Hey! That could
> be the name of it "Win Something Roman Raffle" brought to you by those
> fine folks at Nova Roma! The prizes could be some of those statues and
> maybe books with Roman subjects or things like that. >>
>Salvete!
>I'll offer a 25mm diorama setpiece of the Emperor Claudius entering London. I
>know it's not Republican but it's the best I can do.
>Q. Fabius

Hey, if it works for the Catholics, it should work for us! Next -- Roman Bingo Nights!
Gens Claudia will buy a couple of tickets for Divus Claudius entering London!

-- Flavia Claudia



"My life may suck,
but at least I'm not a guest on Jerry Springer."

Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:26:36 EST

In a message dated 2/10/99 10:19:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wr--------:

<< Hey, if it works for the Catholics, it should work for us! Next -- Roman
Bingo Nights!
Gens Claudia will buy a couple of tickets for Divus Claudius entering London!
>>

How about a Bake Sale? We can sell Roman-themed pastries, cookies, cakes, and
pies! We can send everyone out to their local grammar schools and set them up
with a fold-out table and beach chair. Everyone can make a big sign that says
"Roman Bake Sale" and then we can hob-nob with the PTA afterwards and recruit
their children!

--Dexippus
<<and if that doesn't work...pillege and plunder!>>

Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:36:41 -0500 (EST)

Great suggestion, the raffle. Who will take on the responsibility for
taking the money, issuing tickets, keeping records of tickets, providing
advertisement for the item offered, holding the item offered until the
raffle is over, choosing the winning ticket, packaging item for mailing
to the winner, and paying the postage. I have probably missed something
here, but thats okay. I'm willing to do some of it, but I think we need
some kind of admin set-up to make sure all these things are covered.
Again the administration of the idea raises it's ugly head. Can we all
agree as to who will start this off?

If I will undertake the tickets, taking the money, keeping records of
the tickets, and aranging for the local Librarian to choose the winning
ticket (best person I can think of), will someone else make arrangements
for holding, packaging, and mailing the item? Senator Claudia will you
see that we have whatever approval we need to run this raffle? I think
that we can get this idea on the road if we can get a little organized.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Pompeii's Insula model
From:	"Gehn" gehn@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:50:29 -0800

Why does my humour always fail to work? This was suposed to be mildly
amusing, but it apears that no one found it amusing - why?

- Fannius

> -----Original Message-----
&--------From: Gehn [mailto:<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056214185146072033082190" &--------ehn@--------</a&--------
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 5:46 PM
> To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Pompeii's Insula model
>
>
&--------From: "Gehn" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056214185146072033082190" &--------ehn@--------</a&--------/font>
>
> I'l take it! In fact, i'l live in it! Just bulldoze my parent's house and
> its a deal :)
>
> - Fannius
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: -------- [mailto:<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:56 AM
> > To: Nova Roma Mailing List
> > Subject: [novaroma] Pompeii's Insula model
> >
> >
> > From: -------- <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
> >
> > Quoth <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;:
> >
> > >I am trying to find a home for the model of the Insula of the Menander
> > > at Pompeii made for the Royal Academy exhibition "Pompeii AD 79"
> > > in 1976-77.
> >
> > This sounds like a worthy project for the outreach/charitable
> arm of Nova
> > Roma. O Great Senators, would you care to pick someone to investigate
> > what this thing is, whether it's worth saving, how much it would cost to
> > transport it? If you decide that the project is within our
> reach, perhaps
> > another volunteer could be found to canvass museums and colleges to find
> > it a home. I expect someone would be glad to take it if we paid the
> > shipping.
> >
> > Patricia Cassia
> >
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Subject:	Sodalitas Militarium
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:50:49 -0500 (EST)

I do not believe that you have heard that the subject society is now
approved by the Senate and is accepting members interested in the
various aspects of a military society. Consul Cincinnatus asked me
expecially to send you personal invitation to join which is my extreme
privaledge to do.

I formally invite you Galli Velius Marsallas, Praefectus, Legio
XXIV-Media-Atlantica, Tribunus Militaris to join with me in the subject
Society in any capacity that you should care to name including joint
command of the institution should yur inclination run in that way.

I am most pleased to be able to make this offer to you, and I await with
pleasure your response

Marcus Minucius Audens
Militarum Tribunus Latviclavius
Nova Roma Militarium Sodalitas

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Dues? No. Planning? Yes.
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:30:10 -0500

Salvete Luci Sergi et alii



>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=226107192180229130130232031248147208071048" >LSergAust@--------</--------;
>

>I am saddened (but not really surprised) by those who oppose taking any
>steps toward establishing Nova Roma except chatting about it online.

I have somehow missed the comments of those so opposed. I am not sure that
I favor a poll tax, and have heard a few people say something to that
effect, but that's a little different...

If
>we don't put up some money and/or some actual physical labor

Physical labor...yes, if some of us are interested in building/renovating
meeting places, I think that physical labor donations could be really
significant. I, and probably a lot of other citizens, could much more
afford to donate some hours of plastering, laying bricks or just cleaning up
et cetera, than to pay the funds needed to hire someone to do those things.
Still, a donation of physical labor is also a donation of time, which I do
not have in huge reserves either.

Before I would donate my physical labor, I guess that I would have to
receive a pretty sound proposal (what type of building/project for what
purpose, who is supervising and what are that person's qualifications if it
is a major construction project, are all necessary municipal approvals in
place or pending, and, not unimportantly, where). Also, I would only
contribute physical labor alongside a number of other citizens -- if I go
try to build a temple by myself, I'll be dead long before so much as a
foundation is produced.

there will
>never be a Nova Roman state, or a temple, or even a storefront meeting
>place. If we don't start now, it will never happen. No matter how loudly
>or eloquently or profanely it may debate it, those are the facts.

And there will never be any of those things if there is no need/commitment
to create them. A storefront meeting place, even, is not necessarily a
small thing.
>
>It should not be necessary to require that every citizen contribute money
>in order to retain citizenship. I think it is necessary to require that
>every gens contribute money -- perhaps the patrician gentes should be
>those that contribute something to the Republic, and the rest who are
>content to do nothing for the Republic except chat, should be the plebian
>gentes. The latter are, after all, the NR equivalent of the "capita
>censi."

Yes, that's a good analogy to the capite censi ("counted by head" - term for
landless underclass in Roma Antiqua). You seem to be in accord with
Dexippus on this one, except that you are aiming at monetary thresholds to
determine status. So, what you are proposing is that we buy the patriciate.
How about magistracies? Seats on the Senate? Boy, we could raise a few
bucks by selling a consulship, couldn't we? (Sarcasm not intended as
hostile, for emphasis only)
>
>I don't think the Republic as a whole should be contributing anything
>toward local meeting places. It is probably undesireable for many
>citizens for the Nova Roman Capitol Territory to be located in the United
>States. However, the fact is that only the U. S., western Europe, or the
>Britain offer the necessary level of political stability to justify any
>investment of time, money, and energy in building something there. Not
>that there's any long-term guarantee of safety/stability in any of those
>places, either.

Well, by the time we have the resources and real motivation to plan a
capital city or site (like the 108 acres in our declaration), there may be
much greater stability in, say, Albania. Land there may be a great deal
cheaper than in the U.S, and we would be a Hel (I am borrowing Venator's
spelling, which I suspect to be a Norse or Germanic thing) of a lot closer
to Rome and things belonging to Roma Antiqua. But, this is all "Khaloimis"
(Sulla, can you help me with the spelling of that?) for the time being,
because we are a group of 216 people (of whom many, perhaps 2/3, may be
"capite censi" by your definition) scattered about, with less than $400 to
our name.
>
>It is time to start building a treasury that will someday allow Nova Roma
>to be a "real world" nation. That means arranging income over and beyond
>just meeting annual expenses. The best way to do that would probably be
>to invest in some sort of mutual fund or in individual stocks.

That's a good idea too. I wish that I knew more about securities so that I
could offer meaningful advice. About the only relevant observations that I
can make is that there is risk inherent in investing in most securities
because they, unlike bank deposits, are uninsured by the FDIC. In the long
term, however, the market grows at an average annual rate greater than even
the best bank deposit annual percentage rates, right? In light of these two
facts, it seems to me that Nova Roma should maintain enough money in an
insured account to cover expected operating expenses, such as web hosting,
chat facilities et cetera, and, if we can come up with some kind of surplus,
invest that into some securities through a reputable broker.
>
>Gens Sergia has contributed $5 and an Eagle subscription during the year
>just ending. I would be happy to see an organized fund to which we could
>contribute a bit more in 2752 a.u.c..

I'd rather not disclose publically what I have contributed. I do not want
list discussion to become comparison of people's donations.
>
>I would also be happy to see a Web page added to record the contributions
>of all the gentes (I don't think it should be done on the basis of
>individual citizens).

Some of us are so bothered by class distinction that we have heated debates
on the patrician/plebeian distinction, even though noone has yet to suffer
any sort of injury or discrimination, to my knowledge, as a result of that
distinction. Yet others are eager to display a table of contributions, an
effective means to divide us quickly into the apparent "haves" and apparent
"have nots". If you were paterfamilias of a gens consisting entirely of
people with no material means whatsoever, would you want this table to go
online? Even though you knew that your gens could never come up with a
dime? And again, given the condition of that hypothetical gens, would any
of its members likely be in a position to donate physical labor or time?
No, because they probably would have to spend more time earning a living.
>
>Valete,
>
>L. Sergius Aust.

>
>
>What's the Latin for "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" ?

Here's my attempt:

Nullum prandium non gratuitum est

It's not colloquial, because I never heard Romans talking in colloquial
Latin; I've tried to get some essence of it in there by using a double
negative and separating non from est. Oh well.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus


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Subject:	Re: Digest Number 269
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:43:25 PST

The Lady Athena is referred to as "grey-eyed" (or blue-eyed) because
in Classical Greek 'Glaukopine' is used by in Homeric epic as what is
called a 'stock epithet' , like 'brilliant Odysseus', or 'Ox-eyed Hera'
or 'Cloud-gathering Zeus' or 'the wine-dark sea' - in other words, it
provides a handy number of syllables appropriately stressed, for filling
out a line of hexametric verse. I know this begs the question of why
grey/blue eyes: my personal guess is that, in a predominantly brown-eyed
culture, grey/blue eyes accentuate a dispassionate mood and a piercing
gaze, indicative of a sharp mental faculty. The clour may also have
something to do with her connexions with the sea. They go well with her
red hair, too...

Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion (Divus Claudius)
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:45:12 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 2/10/99 7:27:21 AM P--------ic St--------rd Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
writes:

<< Gens Claudia will buy a couple of tickets for Divus Claudius entering
London! >>
Salvete!!

OK, this is what happens when I'm half loaded and it's 3:00 AM. When I
scanned the posts, I was under the impression that we had a raffle/lottery
organized and it was looking for prizes. Now in the clear cold sober light of
Day, and reading the honorable Audens' informative post I see that I should
have read more carefully.

When the Senate works out the details and more then one person enters (we need
at least 75) I'll be glad to donate Divus Claudius and his lictors. But until
that time I must withdraw him from the field.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

Any movement on the Insula model? It would be a shame for such a classic
piece of work to be destroyed because of like of space. This is something
Nova Roma should be involved in. It's one of our goals correct, preserve
Roman history?

Valete!
Q. Fabius

Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion
From:	Reina C E anaxarete@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:53:17 -0600

Salve,

Since I suggested it, I would be happy to help out! I could do some of
the advertising. I know alot of contest web sites you can advertise on
for free and I have a few other ideas, but they need to be thought out a
little more.

I am here and ready and willing to help! :-)

Vale,

Lilia Avita Verina


On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:36:41 -0500 (EST) <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James
Mathews) writes:
>Great suggestion, the raffle. Who will take on the responsibility
>for
>taking the money, issuing tickets, keeping records of tickets,
>providing
>advertisement for the item offered, holding the item offered until
>the
>raffle is over, choosing the winning ticket, packaging item for
>mailing
>to the winner, and paying the postage. I have probably missed
>something
>here, but thats okay. I'm willing to do some of it, but I think we
>need
>some kind of admin set-up to make sure all these things are covered.
>Again the administration of the idea raises it's ugly head. Can we
>all
>agree as to who will start this off?
>
>If I will undertake the tickets, taking the money, keeping records of
>the tickets, and aranging for the local Librarian to choose the
>winning
>ticket (best person I can think of), will someone else make
>arrangements
>for holding, packaging, and mailing the item? Senator Claudia will
>you
>see that we have whatever approval we need to run this raffle? I
>think
>that we can get this idea on the road if we can get a little
>organized.
>
>Marcus Minucius Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>

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Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion (Divus Claudius)
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:06:19 -0500 (EST)

Hmmmmmm! I'm getting deeper an deeper into this raffle thing and I am
probably he last person who has the talent for it. Do I understand that
you will donate your diorama if the senior magistrates will agree to
establish or approve the establihment of a lottery / raffle
organization? Can you give me an estimate of how much it would cost to
packaage and ship if the answer to the first question is yes. Over and
above those two questions what ould you wish to see as an approved
organization before actually donating the diorama. Also how could we get
some photos of the piece should we meet your other requirements. It is
mu intention to request of the Senior Magistrate's permission to put
such an organization into effect, with your encouragement. I suspect
though, before I get permission or even a response, there will be a need
for some bait on the hook.

I hope you understand that my questions did not any any way denote a
crticism of your donation. I just did not know how those questions were
to be answered, and since I think I am a member of the NR Financial
Committee, I had not heard that we were that far along as yet.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion (Divus Claudius) Reply
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:30:30 EST

To Marcus Minucius Audens from Q. Fabius Maximus, Vale

<< Can you give me an estimate of how much it would cost to
packaage and ship if the answer to the first question is yes. Over and
above those two questions what ould you wish to see as an approved
organization before actually donating the diorama.<<
Its 4" square in a plastic case, It consits of 7 figures, all 28mm high
except Claudius who is on his horse, Claudius, 4 licters, two Guardsmen, one
Standard bearer. The ground is texured.

>>Also how could we get some photos of the piece should we meet your other
requirements. It is my intention to request of the Senior Magistrate's
permission to put such an organization into effect, with your encouragement.
I suspect
though, before I get permission or even a response, there will be a need
for some bait on the hook.<<
I'll have to take some. I'll work on that, if this is really going foward.
It weighs about 12 oz.

>>I hope you understand that my questions did not any any way denote a
crticism of your donation. I just did not know how those questions were
to be answered, and since I think I am a member of the NR Financial
Committee, I had not heard that we were that far along as yet.<<

Audens, you are much too polite. I messed up. I didn't read the post by
Reina that carefully. So the fault (if any) was entirely mine.

Salve!!

Subject:	Re: Pompeii's Insula model
From:	SFP55@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:38:15 EST

In a messa--------ated 2/10/99 7:50:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056214185146072033082190" &--------ehn@--------</a&--------br> writes:

<< Why does my humour always fail to work? This was suposed to be mildly
amusing, but it apears that no one found it amusing - why?>>

My lad, because you are a youth, and like most youths, you say things for
shock value. We are adults and are not easily shocked or amused. You sound
like a bright young man. Your future with NR can be very good if you apply
yourself to your studies, and prepare yourself for a magistrate office.
QFM

Subject:	Re: Dues? No. Planning? Yes.
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:14:46 EST

In a message dated 2/10/99 12:42:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:

<< You seem to be in accord with
Dexippus on this one, except that you are aiming at monetary thresholds to
determine status. So, what you are proposing is that we buy the patriciate.
How about magistracies? Seats on the Senate? Boy, we could raise a few
bucks by selling a consulship, couldn't we? (Sarcasm not intended as
hostile, for emphasis only) >>

Merullus,

Don't put words into my mouth. I never suggested that we charge magistrates
for being in office.

Geesh! Get a grip!

--Dexippus
<<No wonder I prefer dark alleys>>

Subject:	Re: Pompeii's Insula model
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:17:27 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 2/10/99 1:41:23 PM E--------rn St--------rd Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
writes:

<< My lad, because you are a youth, and like most youths, you say things for
shock value. We are adults and are not easily shocked or amused.>>

Speak for yourself! I love the shock value (like none of you knew that
already?) and am quite easily amused

<<You sound like a bright young man. Your future with NR can be very good if
you apply yourself to your studies, and prepare yourself for a magistrate
office. >>

C'Mon...don't be so hard on him! PEOPLE LIGHTEN UP!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Pompeii's Insula model
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:11:01 EST

In a messa--------ated 2/10/99 10:50:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056214185146072033082190" &--------ehn@--------</a&--------br> writes:

<< Why does my humour always fail to work? This was suposed to be mildly
amusing, but it apears that no one found it amusing - why? >>

I found it amusing...just not enough to reply.

Now if you said something to the effect of renting it out as a house of ill-
repute...I would certainly have said something! : )

--Dexippus

Subject:	Announcement about Crys
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:16:57 -0800

Salvete Omnes..

As most of you are aware of, we are about ready to welcome the birth of
our first Roman Citizen, in the birth of Lapis Lawrence Stone Meaker.
His birth will take place at approximately 10 am Thursday. If you would
like to call Crys at home or at the hospital, please contact me. I have
both numbers available. Crys would appreciate prayers and whitlelight
or whatever. She has made specific requests for choclate and
Roses....LOL....but will be more than happy to take phone calls. :)

Valete,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanis

Subject:	Re: Dues? No. Planning? Yes.
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:33:15 -0500

Salvete Dexippe et alii



>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
>


You misunderstood me. I was pointing to the sharing of your opinion that
patricians and plebeians should be actively distinguished from each other by
some criterion. Sorry if there was anything that you found unclear there.

><< You seem to be in accord with
> Dexippus on this one, except that you are aiming at monetary thresholds to
> determine status. So, what you are proposing is that we buy the
patriciate.
> How about magistracies? Seats on the Senate? Boy, we could raise a few
> bucks by selling a consulship, couldn't we? (Sarcasm not intended as
> hostile, for emphasis only) >>
>
>Merullus,
>
>Don't put words into my mouth. I never suggested that we charge
magistrates
>for being in office.
>
>Geesh! Get a grip!
>
>--Dexippus
><<No wonder I prefer dark alleys>>
>
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Subject:	Re: Pompeii's Insula model
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:00:48 -0800

Well and this is the wrong list for that type of humor....thats why the Back Alley
is here... LOL

Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanis

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
>
> In --------ss--------d-------- 2/10/99 1:41:23 PM E--------rn St--------rd Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
> writes:
>
> << My lad, because you are a youth, and like most youths, you say things for
> shock value. We are adults and are not easily shocked or amused.>>
>
> Speak for yourself! I love the shock value (like none of you knew that
> already?) and am quite easily amused
>
> <<You sound like a bright young man. Your future with NR can be very good if
> you apply yourself to your studies, and prepare yourself for a magistrate
> office. >>
>
> C'Mon...don't be so hard on him! PEOPLE LIGHTEN UP!
>
> --Dexippus
>
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Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion (Divus Claudius)
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:27:55 -0600 (CST)

On 02/10/99 13:06:19 you wrote:
>
>Hmmmmmm! I'm getting deeper an deeper into this raffle thing and I am
>probably he last person who has the talent for it. Do I understand that
>you will donate your diorama if the senior magistrates will agree to
>establish or approve the establihment of a lottery / raffle
>organization?

Except for one teeeeeeeeny thing: a lottery is illegal in all 50 states. Unless you're the government.
I don't know how raffles get around it. Maybe they don't, but nobody wants to bust all those Sunday School kids.

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Lusitania is now growing
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:25:02 -0600 (CST)

On 02/10/99 14:01:17 you wrote:
>
>Salvete omnes
>
>I've the pleasure to announce that Lusitania is now getting new
>citizens. I'd like to ask about the naming of Legati Civitatis (Legati
>to take care of a 'Civitate' (District)). I sugest that Praetores shall
>have the right to name persons at their will to occupy the position,
>thus bypassing the Senate.


This is certainly up for debate, from a historical viewpoint. I'm in favor of just about ANYTHING that's less work
for the Senate.

It's just one darned thing after another....!

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Fannius' humor
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:34:29 -0600 (CST)

On 02/10/99 07:50:29 you wrote:
>
&--------rom: "Gehn" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056214185146072033082190" &--------ehn@--------</a&--------/font>
>
>Why does my humour always fail to work? This was suposed to be mildly
>amusing, but it apears that no one found it amusing - why?
>
>- Fannius
>
I thought it was funny, depending on how ugly your parents' house is.

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Re: Pompeii's Insula model
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:06:03 EST

<<Well and this is the wrong list for that type of humor....thats why the Back
Alley
is here... LOL>>

GODS SAVE THE PRUDES!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Fannius' humor
From:	"Gehn" gehn@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:49:55 -0800

Well, the point of the demolishing of the parent's house is to put the model
on top of the rubble, to create a nice big model hill :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> [ma--------:<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 1:34 PM
&--------To: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056214185146072033082190" &--------ehn@--------</a&-------- <a href="mailto:novaroma@onelist.com" &--------ovaroma@onelist.com</a&--------/font>
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Fannius' humor
>
>
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a>
>
> On 02/10/99 07:50:29 you wrote:
> >
&--------&--------rom: "Gehn" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056214185146072033082190" &--------ehn@--------</a&--------/font>
> >
> >Why does my humour always fail to work? This was suposed to be mildly
> >amusing, but it apears that no one found it amusing - why?
> >
> >- Fannius
> >
> I thought it was funny, depending on how ugly your parents' house is.
>
> -- Flavia Claudia
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Digest Number 269
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:32:37 -0800

What's your point? That Athene didn't have gray-eyes? I've seen gray eyes among
people of Mediterraean stock. That Odysseus wasn't brilliant, of wily? RTB
[:-)]. That Zeus wasn't cloud gathering, or delighting in thunder? Those are
attributes of the God. These are Characteristics. The terms did not apply to
just any one. They were not interchangeable. Such phrases have been said to be
an element of oral traditions. Remember the "Homeric" works were purely oral
for centuries before they were written down.

Ericius
(who wishes he was a slim waisted hero with a bright sword,
but the waist has filled out over time, just as the sword has become nicked and

tarnished beyond burnishing)

Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:42:30 -0600

Salvete Omnes!

If I may, a raffle is a good idea, BUT, many states have laws against
holding such without a permit. The gun club to which I belong holds
several
raffles a year here in Illinois. They must obtain a seperate permit for
each. Perhaps there is a Cives amongst us who lives in a less legally
bothersome state from which raffle tickets could be issued. Then it
should
work like cross border lottery ticket buying?

If the idea can get strong, steady legs under it, I shall make a pilum
to
contribute as a prize, plus the shipping and handling thereof.

Valete - Venator

Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:58:37 -0800

Well my friends at Quail Unlimited which is a Hunting and Conservation club
located in San Gabriel, are having their dinner with a raffle...and they
dont require getting permits. How do I know this, my best friend is the
President and and his wife is the Secretary and they plan the event. I can
ask them since QU is a national based organization if they must get permits
in other states.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanis

Megas-Robinson wrote:

> From: Mega--------bin--------<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015232190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Omnes!
>
> If I may, a raffle is a good idea, BUT, many states have laws against
> holding such without a permit. The gun club to which I belong holds
> several
> raffles a year here in Illinois. They must obtain a seperate permit for
> each. Perhaps there is a Cives amongst us who lives in a less legally
> bothersome state from which raffle tickets could be issued. Then it
> should
> work like cross border lottery ticket buying?
>
> If the idea can get strong, steady legs under it, I shall make a pilum
> to
> contribute as a prize, plus the shipping and handling thereof.
>
> Valete - Venator
>
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Subject:	Re: Money-Making Suggestion
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:32:38 -0600 (CST)

On 02/10/99 19:58:37 you wrote:
>
>From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>Well my friends at Quail Unlimited which is a Hunting and Conservation club
>located in San Gabriel, are having their dinner with a raffle...and they
>dont require getting permits. How do I know this, my best friend is the
>President and and his wife is the Secretary and they plan the event. I can
>ask them since QU is a national based organization if they must get permits
>in other states.

Raffles are different from lotteries, but I don't remember the legal definitions that separate them, except that
raffles are usually held by non-profits.

I know that in a lottery, if you have to pay or buy something to enter, that's illegal. That's why all those soft-drink
and Burger-King contests legally HAVE to say "No purchase necessary to enter." Any advertising person is
painfully aware of what constitutes a lottery. Raffles, though? Who knows?

-- Flavia Claudia