| Subject: |
Re: Money-Making Suggestion |
| From: |
Pythia kingan@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:24:09 +0000 |
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> Raffles are different from lotteries, but I don't remember the legal definitions that separate them, except that
> raffles are usually held by non-profits.
It seems to me, people are always holding "Silent Auctions" at events,
where vendors and members donate various prizes...anything from sports
tickets, to weekends away, etc....and no one needs a permit to do it so
far as I know. I will donate a suite of Roman jewelry when we decide
what to do.
Pythia
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| Subject: |
Re: Budget, capital and other considerations |
| From: |
Pythia kingan@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:28:33 +0000 |
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It would be a honour for me to enter into Nova Comanches
> tribe, for example. I know few indian words as "vigvam, how, Manitu "
> and I hope at the beginning it would be enough.
>
> Vale
>
> Alexander Macedonicus
>
I think my High School football team played the Nova Comanches.......
And, Alex...."how" is not a Comanche word.....;-)
Pythia
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| Subject: |
Re: Dues? No. Planning? Yes. |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:21:07 GMT |
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well, I for one will have to leave if the dues are that much unless my
finances change. I can't afford to keep up my Smithsonian membership
right now, and it's only twelve dollars.
L. Iunia Cypria
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| Subject: |
Re: Announcement:Sodalis pro Coqueror et Coquus |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:54:26 GMT |
|
Congratulations and welcome :)
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| Subject: |
Congratulations CRYS and WELCOME LAPIS!! |
| From: |
Pythia kingan@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:25:11 +0000 |
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Welcome to the world little one! And welcome to Nova Roma. I thank the
Gods for your safe and healthy birth, and ask that They ever keep you in
Their sight!
Pythia
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| Subject: |
Re: Crys's Birth |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:59:31 GMT |
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Salve
Send Crys my best as a fellow member of gens Iunia. :)
Vale
L. Iunia Cypria
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| Subject: |
Senate Consultas |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@--------) |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:01:17 -0500 (EST) |
|
One of the things that I have been told since coming to the position of
a Magistrate, and one which I learned long ago in Naval Service and in
Shipbuilding is that if you wait for someone else to work up a proposal
for something you would like to see, it probably won't happen, even if
it is in the best interest of the institution. Neither of the Sodalicum
waited on "the magistrates or the Senate" to make up a proposal. The
Senate and Senior Magistrates are simply too busy dealing with the
problems that must be done for the more efficient working of a very new
government to take the time for these kind of proposals.
If I may be so bold as to suggest, that if the NR Citizenship, want a
proposal to go before the Senate, then a few people should get together,
form a committee, hammer out a proposal in which all committee members
concur, and submit the proposal to the Senior Magistrates with one of
the Committee appointed to track the proposal until it is submitted to
the Senate.
We have before us two items that we are considering, both of a financial
nature, dues and auctions. We are also considering a place to meet
internationally, naionally and regionally. I suggest that we form two /
three small committees, say 3 or 4 people, appoint a Chairman, poll the
civs on the list as to what their ideas and desires are, draw up poll
questions for the Eagle for our foriegn members not on Onelist, write a
proposal from the resulting information and submit the proposal to the
Consul's for review and submission to the Senate. Unless we, as a
responsible group, get together and do this, the time span that will be
required to propose what we wish to propose will be years to forever.
Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Senate Consultas |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:58:15 -0600 (CST) |
|
On 02/12/99 10:01:17 you wrote:
>
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
>One of the things that I have been told since coming to the position of
>a Magistrate, and one which I learned long ago in Naval Service and in
>Shipbuilding is that if you wait for someone else to work up a proposal
>for something you would like to see, it probably won't happen, even if
>it is in the best interest of the institution. Neither of the Sodalicum
>waited on "the magistrates or the Senate" to make up a proposal. The
>Senate and Senior Magistrates are simply too busy dealing with the
>problems that must be done for the more efficient working of a very new
>government to take the time for these kind of proposals.
>
>If I may be so bold as to suggest, that if the NR Citizenship, want a
>proposal to go before the Senate, then a few people should get together,
>form a committee, hammer out a proposal in which all committee members
>concur, and submit the proposal to the Senior Magistrates with one of
>the Committee appointed to track the proposal until it is submitted to
>the Senate.
This is absolutely true, Audens.
Talk is real cheap when people are bitching and moaning on the list and in the Taverna, but when it comes to
actually drafting something in writing and making the effort to get it done, things get real quiet. Except, of
course, for the folks in the Chat room going on and on about the Senate doing nothing and taking such a long time
to do it, and if they were only running things, boy, it'd be different.
The Senate can't take the discussions on the list as actual proposals: they're too scattered and unfocussed.
Someone has to distill all this and put it into a condensed form for the Senate to debate. This transforms it from a
theoretical idea to an actual proposal. If you're that interested in the issue, you should at least be interested
enough in it to make it into something coherent. The Senate definitely does NOT have time to do this for every
issue that's raised on the list.
The Vestal Order went through endless debate and messages and angry outpourings before I actually worked up
the proposal and sent it to the Pontiffs. A few flamen took the trouble to do formal proposals for their offices.
At least two Sodalicae had formal proposals submitted to the Senate.
And as for proposals to the Pontifices! Somebody writes, "I want to be priest of (insert god here)" No reason why
they might be qualified. No statement of how long they've been working with that particular deity. No outline as
to how the worship will be conducted or what research they've done (often none).
-- Flavia Claudia
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| Subject: |
Re: speech in the forum |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:23:25 EST |
|
My fellow Romans hark and attend!
I, Quintus Fabius Maximus stand before you today with Minervina Iucundia
Flavia, Propraetor of South East USA Province on my left,
and Lucius Cornelius Sulla, Praetor Urbanis, on my right. We
stand before you today, Romans, because we comprehend the Republic
has come to great crossroads in its young existence, a turning
point if you will.
The sad point of fact, is that Rome cannot continue in this way,
a way that will impede all our good, and perhaps cause the
downfall of our beloved Republic. Rome needs money! For those
who have followed my recent series of epistles, then you know
that I have asked for a dues structure to implemented, so each
Roman may contribute her or his fair share to our growing
Republic. Because running the Republic cost money. And it must
be real money, not wraithlike specie conjured up in such
preposterous events such as raffles, bake sales and car washes, what are
we attempting here, to clothe a Cohort or operate a State?
Now we know there are ones among you that recoil in horror from
such a proposal. We hear the objections falling from your lips
like spittle, "Such a proposal will cause us to lose citizens who
can't afford it," or "People that join Rome are here for a good
time, they don't want to pay," or Let the active members of Rome,
the officers and office holders pay for their privilege, just
leave us out of it," or "We can trust no one to look after the
money."
Fellow citizens, nothing in life is free. We are paying
connection fees, service charges, some of us long distance
rates, to stay with Rome, is an additional price that much more
of a burden? The other tolls I have mentioned are used to
carry out day to day living, there is nothing unique in those
charges to Rome. Rome does not receive .25 every time someone
accesses the web site. Rome does not get .1% of each Gross
National Product of its provinces. Rome gets small paltry sums
if citizens buy items in the marketplace, a tax if you will, but
this is not enough to support Rome.
We all have read letters saying that Rome needs land, Rome needs
this, Rome needs that, etc. etc. Citizens, we'll get nothing
unless we contribute something.
What we suggest is this:
A structured due system. This could be Annual, Semiannual, or
Quarterly. The amount? We would suggest that the August Fathers
appoint a Quaestor to poll the citizens to see how much "the
market will bear" what the average citizen will pay. Once this
is determined, the due should be set. We would like to suggest that the
honorable Marcus Minucius Audens, because of his love of Rome,
his acceptance by the citizenry, his unrelenting attention to
detail and the fact that his conduct is above reproach, would be
the idea choice. For those who fear the dues shall dissuade
potential citizens from joining, or lose citizens now, we suggest a
year lacuna on dues, so all may experience all that Rome has to offer with
no pressure. After the year, all will have to make a decision.
Donatives. All Romans have their favorite Deities. Since we do
not have Temples to store our donatives, why not give these to
the Roman treasury? We still are sacrificing, and we are sure
that the donative will still be looked on favorably by our Deity.
Contributions. The citizens of the Ancient Republic were known
to be giving to the Republic when it had special needs. Granted,
I do not believe we will ever need money to wage war, but there
is no reason that the August Fathers cannot propose projects, and
ask the citizens to contribute money to aid in their realization.
In closing, we wish to remind you are on the ground floor of a
great endeavor, one that is almost unthinkable, yet one that is
accomplishable. We are not saying money collection will be easy
or popular. It will take sacrifice and hard work to carry it
out, yet our legacy demands it. There will be no Rome for our
progeny to inherit, if we do not uphold it now.
Velete!
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| Subject: |
Re: speech in the forum |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:27:45 -0000 |
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Salve fellow Romans
I'm very sad... Today my honour was betraied... With no intention I know,
for it was Fortuna who has chosen the moment...
The proposal to ask for money has its reasons. But isn't it too soon?
I'm now managing to conquer the first citizens of Lusitania... And many more
were to come. As Governor I don't mind to pay alone the income of my
Provincia, but I shall not ask for my citizens' money, even more because I
state (now wrongly) in my page that membership is free. I will have to
delete this sentence now, because I'm lying!
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Re: speech in the forum |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:44:23 -0500 |
|
>Salvete fellow Romans
>
>I'm very sad... Today my honour was betraied... With no intention I know,
>for it was Fortuna who has chosen the moment...
>The proposal to ask for money has its reasons. But isn't it too soon?
>I'm now managing to conquer the first citizens of Lusitania... And many
more
>were to come. As Governor I don't mind to pay alone the income of my
>Provincia, but I shall not ask for my citizens' money, even more because I
>state (now wrongly) in my page that membership is free. I will have to
>delete this sentence now, because I'm lying!
>
NO, no, no, This is only a proposal.
No one has to pay anything to be a citizen!
Please everyone, take your time. This would only happen by a vote through
one of the Comitia. Which would then have to be ratified by the Senate.
It's not gonna happen anytime soon, that's for sure.
Valete, Consul L Equitius
>Valete
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>
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| Subject: |
Re: speech in the forum |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:55:29 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes
Well, I spoke with Q. Fabius Maximus privately, and I think that I
overreacted... One year for free and then the fee (ihihih) I think is fair.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Re: Speech at forum II |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:35:36 EST |
|
Umm Fellow Citizens of Rome, uh, To make it crystalline: Umm uh,
is this thing on? <Tap, Tap>
OK For those who fear the dues shall dissuade potential citizens
from joining, we suggest a year's lacuna on dues, so they may
experience all that Rome has to offer with no pressure.
Now lacuna on dues means interruption, or break. So no new
citizen would be forced to pay anything. After a year and
getting to know and love us, they would have to decide to
stay and pay, or quit and forfeit.
I hope this clears up any confusion, and I, Q. Fabius, apologize
for causing any.
Valete!
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| Subject: |
Re: Speech at forum II |
| From: |
Diana/Orbianna <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=197212253112056209171056066140114100071048139" >--------er--------@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:34:43 -0500 |
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Salvete, omnes.
I've attempted to stay out of this discussion for a while to see what
would happen, plus I've been rather inculcated with tying up the changes
occurring in my life right now. I just wanted to take a moment to give you
a personal perspective.
I believe a dues structure is imperative to the life of any organization
like ours. To be perfectly honest I was quite surprised to find out that
citizenship was free, and that there were no dues involved at all. I would
have been willing to take on citizenship for a trial period and then paid
dues once I became involved. I've been a member of the SCA, which is quite
organized and requires only an annual gift for membership. All clubs to
which I belonged in college and national organizations such as Phi Alpha
Theta (for historians), Mortar Board (my national honor society), and the
AHA (American Historical Association) all require dues. How else are they
going to maintain themselves? The AHA has a dues structure based on income.
There's a student rate, below 20K, 20K-35K, etc. I think that works rather
well.
What it all boils down to is that I love Nova Roma, and I want Her to
flourish. I am most willing to give my expected dues in order to see this
happen. I am not wealthy, and to be perfectly honest, I'm just making it
right now, but I am willing to support causes in which I believe. Nova Roma
is foremost on my list.
Vive La Nova Roma!
Valete,
Orbianna
At 16:35 12/02/99 EST, you wrote:
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
>Umm Fellow Citizens of Rome, uh, To make it crystalline: Umm uh,
>is this thing on? <Tap, Tap>
>
>OK For those who fear the dues shall dissuade potential citizens
>from joining, we suggest a year's lacuna on dues, so they may
>experience all that Rome has to offer with no pressure.
>
>Now lacuna on dues means interruption, or break. So no new
>citizen would be forced to pay anything. After a year and
>getting to know and love us, they would have to decide to
>stay and pay, or quit and forfeit.
>I hope this clears up any confusion, and I, Q. Fabius, apologize
>for causing any.
>Valete!
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Speech at forum II |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> (Dean Troy) |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:05:01 -0600 (CST) |
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I agree that after a year a dues system would be great. Perhaps if
someone was in financial hardship an alternative of payment in service
might be arrangeable or even just a hardship waver as long as it was
done very privately.
I believe this also solves the problem of finding out just who is
an active citizen- who wishes to belong anyway on a continueing basis.
With the invention of the Euro-dollar now we also may find it easier to
open up just one account in Europe and leave that for European
developement. In time it seems inevitable that most or all of Europe
will use that form of currency. I don't know offhand which countries for
the time being decided not to or were for now denied to go under that
currency system. Can anyone enlighten me? Problems?
How does $12.00 per year sound? Not an extreme amount of money
and it will help us out tremendously. Of course other hopefully
tax-deductible donations will be accepted. Along with raising the rate
for Eagle subscription and aggressively pursuing our economic projects
we could be doing very well financially.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Senate Consultas |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> (Dean Troy) |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:21:16 -0600 (CST) |
|
I really like the idea of forming committees. to research sound
proposals for the senate and even possibly the pontiffs to review and
make decisions. We hear over and over again that people have lives other
than Nova Roma-- and that is understandable. How do our senators and
pontiffs feel about we the citizens doing the research along with any
pontiffs or senators who have the availabe time to help out. I'm sure
all of you see the logic in it. They are just recommendations-
non-binding at that to be decided upon. We really need to find a way of
speeding things along a little and unless someone has a better
suggestion... If this were not to work out than a good deal of
responsibility would be shifted to the general citizenry--- is anyone
tired of the complaining yet for things not being done in a timely
fashion???
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Senate Consultas |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:02:15 -0600 (CST) |
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On 02/12/99 21:21:16 you wrote:
>
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> (Dean Troy)
>
> I really like the idea of forming committees. to research sound
>proposals for the senate and even possibly the pontiffs to review and
>make decisions. We hear over and over again that people have lives other
>than Nova Roma-- and that is understandable. How do our senators and
>pontiffs feel about we the citizens doing the research along with any
>pontiffs or senators who have the availabe time to help out.
I'm all for it. I figure if you're interested enough in something, you'll do better research anyway.
We can't do a lot of hand-holding here, and shouldn't -- we're adults, fer gods' sake! The reason we joined NR was
because we're interested in Roman culture, so why wait for somebody else to learn stuff for us? If you're
interested in something -- YOU learn about it and educate the rest of us! That's where the real fun comes in, when
you're sharing something interesting with other people.
>We really need to find a way of
>speeding things along a little and unless someone has a better
>suggestion... If this were not to work out than a good deal of
>responsibility would be shifted to the general citizenry--- is anyone
>tired of the complaining yet for things not being done in a timely
>fashion???
I guess I made my position on this complaining deal pretty clear!
>
-- Flavia Claudia
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