Subject: Crys, Lapis and Family
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 06:20:51 -0500 (EST)
May your gods continue to smile upon you all as they have to date.
Congratulations Chrys in coming through this grueling experience with
the grace and dignity of a true Roman woman.

Welcome to the world of Nova Roma Lappis! You are the child of Rome in
this new age, and the world awaits you and your skills and ideas. Learn
well in these formative years young man, that in later years you may be
wise enough to take the tiller of some vast ship, or institution that
today is only the shadow of an idea in someone's active mind, and steer
it to success and glory!!!

Little Terri, you are mother's helper now, and are as my family used to
say of older sisters. "little mother." Your life will be enriched by
the comig of a brother. It will be tedious at first, just as you were
when you were tiny, but the blessing of a brother has many lasting and
sweet extensions to life and ones which it is my hope that wil grow into
bonds of love and affection.

It is very true, you all have been blessed by your gods, and I am happy
for you, as for a little sister and her family who has produced a wonder
in the world. I have been so bold as to say a prayer for you to the
forces in my life as well, but they are benevelent forces and I do not
fear that they will scorn.

All the best to you my dears; in ths world and in the world of your
gods;

Most Respectfully and Sincerely;
Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!




Subject: Re: Primus Fabius
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:16:33 -0500 (EST)
I too, have been very busy, and have been forced to resign from at least
one organization (Not NR) because of it. We are currently in te throes
of discussuions regarding fiance, auctions, dues and provincial titles
for NR appointed officers.

I am organizing not one but two re-enactment units to begin this year;s
re-enactment campaign here in the NE, and that has taken some time.

One of my re-enactment groups just won the Award for Best Historical
Presenttion for the Second Year in a row, and that took quite a bit of
preparation as well.

The Military Sodalicum has been appoved as has the Cooking and Vintner
Sodalicum and both are taking in members. Crys has had a new baby and
all are doing fine. I guess that is about all for now, sorry for the
late reply, I'll try to do better next time!

Vale;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!





Subject: Re: Speech at forum II
From: LSergAust@--------
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:17:34 EST
Friends, Romans, countrymen..er, countrypersons!

In a serious vein:

This may be one of those annoying forks in the road where the choice we
make shapes the course we take from here on out. The social and
governmental structure of Rome was built around families and tribes. All
I hear being discussed here is requiring financial support from
individual citizens. I ask that you consider making the Gens the unit
from which contributions should come, rather than from each individual
civis. There are certain advantages to this.

Firstly, it solves the problem of valuable citizens who are insolvent --
students, those in financial straits, those struggling to meet other
obligations. It would be up to their Gens to determine what should be
expected of their individual family members, because the money would be
contributed by the Gens as a unit and arranegments and allowances within
the family would remain there and not have to be public matters.

Secondly, it would provide more incentive for Rome to grow by motivating
each Gens to seek new members (to share the responsibility).

Thirdly, it would bring the gentes into a more central position in the
functioning of the state, which would be more in line with the customs of
Roma Antiqua.

Fourth, it would eliminate the necessity of providing a tax-free ride for
a citizen's first year. That would be up to their pater/materfamilias.
Their Gens would be contributing anyway.

Fifth, it would simplify somewhat the task of the magistrates who will
need to keep track of everybody's taxes or dues or whatever. They would
need only to track which gentes have paid their dues, rather than having
to keep track of the contributions of each individual citizen.

I am not aware of any significant disadvantages to doing this, although
I'm certain others will think of some.

I relinquish the rostrum.

Lucius Sergius Australicus

>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
>
>Umm Fellow Citizens of Rome, uh, To make it crystalline: Umm uh,
>is this thing on? <Tap, Tap>
>
>OK For those who fear the dues shall dissuade potential citizens
>from joining, we suggest a year's lacuna on dues, so they may
>experience all that Rome has to offer with no pressure.
>
>Now lacuna on dues means interruption, or break. So no new
>citizen would be forced to pay anything. After a year and
>getting to know and love us, they would have to decide to
>stay and pay, or quit and forfeit.
>I hope this clears up any confusion, and I, Q. Fabius, apologize
>for causing any.
>Valete!


certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)




Subject: Re: religion question
From: Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:16:35 -0600
Salus et Fortuna Patricia Cassia,

I don't know of any Greco-Roman Deity associated with cats, but I shall talk
to Freya (Germano-Nordic) and Cerridwen (Celtic). Both of these Ladies are
associated with cats (One of mine is named after Cerridwen).

Bendictus et Vale - Venator

jane wrote:

> From: -------- <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
>
> I know the Egyptians attached religious importance to cats. Did the
> Romans have any particular deity associated with cats?
>
> The reason I ask is that one of my kitties is very sick. Of course I can
> ask Minerva Medica to help him, but I wondered if there were any deities
> whose attributes came closer to the situation.
>
> Patricia Cassia
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Subject: Crys Update
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:56:15 -0800
Crys is doing very well. Lapis is doing great. The lastest information
is that Crys will be released from the Hospital tomorrow. After the Dr.
does his final check up. Don will be taking her back home. Yes, Don
her fiancee arrived early Saturday Morning to be with Crys. Hopefully
when Crys comes back home she will be able to log in...since she did get
her computer back.

Oh and Crys will be moving to Texas around March 14.

Thats the latest information from Crys. So if you want to call her at
the Hospital, the number is 507-835-1210, ask for Crystal Brewton in
Maternity.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanis




Subject: Re: Speech at forum II and Studio at the Sign of the Harp endorsement
From: "Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:57:19 -0500
Salvete Orbianna et alii



:From: Diana/Orbianna <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=197212253112056209171056066140114100071048139" >--------er--------@--------</a>
:
: What it all boils down to is that I love Nova Roma, and I want Her to
:flourish. I am most willing to give my expected dues in order to see this
:happen. I am not wealthy, and to be perfectly honest, I'm just making it
:right now, but I am willing to support causes in which I believe. Nova Roma
:is foremost on my list.

Me too. But requiring dues (more accurately in this case, a poll tax) to
maintain citizenship should depress recruitment of citizens.

Before we institute a poll tax, we really ought to raise the subscription
rate on the Eagle, and end the practice of NR magistrates paying for postage
and other things out of their own pockets.

A couple of weeks ago, Audens posted a "straw man" budget to the list. Did
he submit that to the Senate? What was the reaction? Are its revenues
small, large, or more-or-less on target?

Until some kind of budget is developed, it's premature to charge citizens
taxes.

In a speech in the forum, Fabius mentioned donatives. If you, Cives Novae
Romae, love Nova Roma and can afford it, send in some donatives. Planning
to buy a gift or book? Check out the Macellum.

By the way, last year I bought several items from Pythia's Studio at the
Sign of the Harp, the only member of our Ordo Equester. I was really
impressed with Pythia's service, we're talking top-notch here, and both the
women who received gifts were extremely pleased with them (Roman flowers
neclace, hoop necklace, and fibulae). I posted an endorsement to the
message board, but unfortunately the board went comatose a day or two later.

Until the Senate comes up with a budget that shows that a poll tax is the
only way to go, these are the ways to support our Republic. Let's do it.

:
:Valete,
:Orbianna
:
Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus




Subject: Re: Speech at forum II
From: Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:24:07 -0600
Salus et Fortuna Omnes,

I would be in favor of a plan for a Gens to be"taxed" and for the Pater or
Mater Familias be responsible for their family members. Every organization
which has plans for a future existence to which I belong has some dues
structure. We must have some financial stake from the members in the future
Nova Rome plans to have.

As far as getting new members to join existing Gentes, steer any who are
more Germanic Heathen my way! Or even those who could do with a
Paterfamilias from the wilds beyond the Danube )({{;-{)

In Amicus and Troth - Venator

> From: -------- <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
>
> If we MUST have dues - and I am NOT saying I agree to that - this seems
> like a reasonable way to go about it. We have many Gentes now, and I'm
> planning to reorganize the Gentes page on the Web site with the goal of
> getting new Citizens to join existing Gentes rather than forming ones of
> their own.
>
> Patricia Cassia





Subject: Roman ruins - reconstructed
From: "Gehn" gehn@--------
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:26:47 -0800
Has anyone heard or been to Xanten or Kempten (archeological parks)? I
stumbled upon a reference to them in "Ancient Rome, An Illustrated
Historical Overview (Crash Course Series)". I looked for a website for them
and I found them, but they are in German, and as far as I can tell there is
no English translation. They seem pretty intrusting. If anyone could give me
some info on them I would greatly appreciate it.

The website urls are:
<a href="http://www.xanten.de/" target="_top" >http://www.xanten.de/</a>
<a href="http://www.kempten.de/" target="_top" >http://www.kempten.de/</a>

- Fannius

P.S. Isn't it ironic how the enemies of Rome now harbor reconstruction of
roman ruins?