| Subject: |
Re: Reprimand of Lucius Cornelius |
| From: |
Pythia kingan@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:15:29 +0000 |
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> Lucius wrote:
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla:
>
> You are being issued this formal reprimand by the Nova Roma Senate for
> the violation of your Magistrate's Oath:
>
Praise the name of Holy Zeus!! A Senate with teeth! Hear! hear!
Pythia
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| Subject: |
Venator Replies |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson amgunn@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 Mar 1999 01:09:22 -0600 |
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Salus et Fortuna, Salvete Omnes!
This is just fair warning to one and all,
If you should have occassion to e-mail me privately - expect $1.00 worth
of answer each time you ask a dime's worth of question.
In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator
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| Subject: |
Re: Capitoline Triad |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" n_moravius@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 Mar 1999 00:42:37 PST |
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Salvete Omnes!
> 8. Re: [religio] New Year ritual
> From: Dexippus@--------
Dexippus wrote:
>
>Wasn't Marzuvius an original member of the Capitoline Triad before
Minverva
>was added? I'm just curious as to how Nova Roma settled on Jupiter,
Juno, and
>Minerva as the Triad for our Republic. And does anyone know at what
point and
>why was Mars replaced with Minerva?
- Just a personal conjecture here. Could Minerva have arrived on the
Capitol and displaced Mars when Aeneas brought the Palladium from Troy?
(I assume that no good Roman wishes to believe the story that Diomedes
took it to Tiryns?!) Or could we be looking at a case of
iconotropy (should that be 'eidolonotropy' - any Greek scholars out
there?) - id est, an old, worn or vaguely-executed figure (like a
xoanon/tropaion) of a god with helmet, spear and shield is in time
misinterpreted as a goddess with helmet, spear and shield? Or am I (or
is anybody else) confusing Mars (in his warrlike aspect) with Quirinus?
Help!
N. Moravius Vado.
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| Subject: |
Public Apology |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:23:17 -0800 |
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I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla accept that I disgraced my office by ignoring
the
warning sign posted on the Senate's board and reading the material
there.
The basic accusation is true. Where the Senate and I differ is in the
details
of what happened afterwards. Nevertheless, I am deeply sorry that this
all
happened. I apologize to all that were inconvenienced by this lapse in
judgment. I especially apologize to my fellow magistrates. I will
endeavor
to win back their trust.
I apologize to the Gods and Goddesses of Rome, and can only hope that I
am
forgiven by them.
Finally, to the Roman people I represent, I can only say that I will
re-earn
your confidence in me by hard work, completing the tasks in which I was
entrusted by you voting me into office.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
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| Subject: |
Question about Senate's composition |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:47:45 -0500 |
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Salvete Magistratus et Senatores et Cives
I have been wondering, would not a praetor urbanus be a senator upon his/her
election to that office?
The office of praetor urbanus is a curule magistracy. In ancient Rome, I
believe that only a senator could be elected to such a magistracy in the
first place. Obviously, we do things a little differently here in Nova
Roma, but my question pertains really to two things:
1. How is it done here in Nova Roma? Article V par. 1 states that the
Senate is made up of those who have served as magistrates (and others
extraordinarily). Is senate membership automatic for all former
magistrates, some, neither?
2. Would it make sense at some point in the future to include currently
sitting magistrates in the Senate? Such a senatorial composition would
probably go a long way toward eliminating feelings of rivalry or suspicion
between the magistrates and the Senate. It may even be worth considering to
allow certain or all magistrates access to Senate deliberations as
observers. (Please note that I'm not pushing revision of Constitution in
the near future -- Hel, I'm not even done translating it yet!)
Another question, toward any of the armchair historians among us: how was
this done in ancient Rome? It seems to me that sitting magistrates did
attend Senate meetings unless they were out in their provinces wielding
imperium? Did not the magisterial hierarchy have a lot to do with
determination of the order of speakers during Senate deliberations?
Callide, Fabi, Fimbria, anyone?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Re: Public Apology |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:16:01 EST |
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In a message dated 3/4/99 12:32:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
al--------us@-------- writ--------br>
<< I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla accept that I disgraced my office by ignoring
the
warning sign posted on the Senate's board and reading the material
there.
The basic accusation is true. Where the Senate and I differ is in the
details
of what happened afterwards. Nevertheless, I am deeply sorry that this
all
happened. I apologize to all that were inconvenienced by this lapse in
judgment. I especially apologize to my fellow magistrates. I will
endeavor
to win back their trust.
>>
Well I'm glad to see that this didn't drag itself out like Monica-gate! Maybe
Barbarus Walterus will do a special with Sulla and he can snear into the
camera and force some fake tears! (boo-hoo...squish-squish...I can cry too
darling!)
<>
As Augur, the Gods and Goddesses have decreed to me that Sulla shall offer a
prayer to them during his Passover Seder! Move over Elijiah! And don't touch
that wine! LOL
<<Finally, to the Roman people I represent, I can only say that I will
re-earn
your confidence in me by hard work, completing the tasks in which I was
entrusted by you voting me into office.>>
Just do a good job and keep your nose off the senate board (or any other
private board) and all will be forgotten in time.
Ok...now...back to the important stuff...Any further news on Roman Days?
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Roman Days |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:34:36 -0500 |
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Salvete, Omnes
>Ok...now...back to the important stuff...Any further news on Roman Days?
>--Dexippus
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/events.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/events.html</a>
Roman Days will be held June 11-13 at the Marrietta Mansion, same as last
year.
Directions can be found on the current events page or by contacting Quintus
Darius aka Matthew Amt @ amt@--------
Hope to see you all there!
Valete, Lucius Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: Reprimand of Lucius Cornelius |
| From: |
"Patrick Dunn" saevvs@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:53:49 PST |
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I am repulsed, sadened, and disgusted. Where is virtue? Where is
honor? Where is *Rome*?
M. Gladius Saevus
Pontiff
Augur
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| Subject: |
Orientation of Roman altars |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:09:13 -0800 |
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Salvete.
I am skeptical on the matter of the Romans having been all that picky about the
orientation of their altars. (As in North, South, East or West.) I've not yet
dragged out my books, but I know from the map of Rome that is behind my eyes
that the temples on the Capitoline and in the Forum were oriented in numerous
directions. It looks more like the ever practical Romans fit the building in as
the plans and the ground allowed.
I'll look at my books, but here is my take on the subject. Maybe I'll get back
to you.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
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| Subject: |
Bonus Novus Annus Nova Roma. Bonus Natalus. |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:47:44 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete Quirites!
I was not here at the beginning, but centuries from now, will it matter that
I did not discover Nova Roma until nine months after the great rebirth?
Thank you, Mars Pater, for seeing your new children through their first year!
Let the world take note: "The Romans have returned!"
To all the nations of Terra, large and small, territorial and virtual: "You
will know no stronger friendship than to be counted an Ally of Rome!"
Mars Novam Romam sanctifica!
Roma Resurgens!
Avete Quirites!
Vivat Nova Roma!
Ave Roma Immortalis!
Roma Aeterna est!
M. Mala Gangalius
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Tom and Gail Gangale
gangale@--------
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The Martian Time Web Site
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The Martian Ministry of Culture
<a href="http://www2.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/culture/culture.htm" target="_top" >http://www2.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/culture/culture.htm</a>
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The National Primary System
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/primary/primfrm.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/primary/primfrm.htm</a>
World GenWeb Calabria
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| Subject: |
Gilbert & Sullivan's "Xena" |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:47:56 -0800 (PST) |
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Salvete.
Will whoever posted the Gilbert & Sullivan "Xena" parody please send it to
me? I just accidentally deleted it.
Gratias.
Vale,
Gangalius
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Tom and Gail Gangale
gangale@--------
Mars Society California
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/marscal/mcalfrm.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/marscal/mcalfrm.htm</a>
The Martian Time Web Site
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/mars/calendar.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/mars/calendar.htm</a>
The Martian Ministry of Culture
<a href="http://www2.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/culture/culture.htm" target="_top" >http://www2.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/culture/culture.htm</a>
Bunny Hill (and Catsville Too): Rabbit and Cat Rescue and Adoption
<a href="http://members.xoom.com/mars_ultor/rabbits/html/rabbits.htm" target="_top" >http://members.xoom.com/mars_ultor/rabbits/html/rabbits.htm</a>
The National Primary System
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/primary/primfrm.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/primary/primfrm.htm</a>
World GenWeb Calabria
<a href="http://www2.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/calabria/calabria.htm" target="_top" >http://www2.crosswinds.net/san-francisco/~marsultor/calabria/calabria.htm</a>
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| Subject: |
Fw: [novaroma] Question about Senate's composition |
| From: |
"Lucius" vergil@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:24:57 -0500 |
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Salvete, Cives
>
>I have been wondering, would not a praetor urbanus be a senator upon
>his/her election to that office?
No, the Senate Can select a Senatorial candidate from those who have
been magistrates. Most magistrates are not in the Senate. I was not entered
into the Senate last year when I was appointed Praetor Urbanus. Only after F
Vedius Germanicus resigned was I 'drafted' and then the Senate reappointed
the other offices that Germanicus held.
>
>The office of praetor urbanus is a curule magistracy. Obviously, we do
>things a little differently here in Nova Roma, but my question pertains
really to
>two things:
>
>1. How is it done here in Nova Roma? Article V par. 1 states that the
>Senate is made up of those who have served as magistrates (and others
>extraordinarily). Is senate membership automatic for all former
>magistrates, some, neither?
Senate membership is not 'automatic' for anyone. Perhaps later this year
we will add to the list of Senatores, but there are not any plans right now.
>2. Would it make sense at some point in the future to include currently
>sitting magistrates in the Senate? Such a senatorial composition would
>probably go a long way toward eliminating feelings of rivalry or suspicion
>between the magistrates and the Senate. It may even be worth considering
>to allow certain or all magistrates access to Senate deliberations as
observers.
This is the case with the current Tribune Plebis Avidius Tullius
Callidius.
>Another question, toward any of the armchair historians among us: how was
>this done in ancient Rome? It seems to me that sitting magistrates did
>attend Senate meetings unless they were out in their provinces wielding
>imperium?
From what I understand the only way to get elected was to have enough
funds to support candidacy and that pretty much meant you were from the
Senatorial Order anyway or had a powerful patron.
>Did not the magisterial hierarchy have a lot to do with
>determination of the order of speakers during Senate deliberations?
There certianly was a pecking order in the Senate with many (back
benchers) not even having the privilage of speaking. Many times there was a
'Priceps Senatus', who was entered by the Censores on the list of Senatores
first and held this position for life. This was a very influential position
for during debates he would speak first.
>Callide, Fabi, Fimbria, anyone?
>Valete, Gaius Marius Merullus
I just thought I would put in my two cents since you included 'anyone'...:-)
Valete, Consul Lucius Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: Reprimand of Lucius Cornelius |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:11:28 -0600 (CST) |
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Any room in the budget for a couple of lions to throw people to?
-lol Nova Roma has been disturbingly punitive though lately--- this
going to be a trend? Yeah I know, if everyone followed the rules...
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: Reprimand of Lucius Cornelius |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:24:20 -0600 (CST) |
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I just meant that the posts in the last few months often are
talking about punitive action against whoever. I just wish everything
ran to where the subject of discipline never had to come up and of
course we all know that will probably never be the case based on peoples
actions/human nature.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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