Subject: Re: Romans and rings
From: Pythia kingan@--------
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:27:14 +0000


jane wrote:

> From: -------- <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
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> Crystallina asked about Romans and wedding rings, and while I don't have
> any knowledge of THAT, I do know from Cassius that the Romans loved rings
> and wore them a great deal.

And here is a shameless plug! I have sterling versions of ancient Roman
rings, sized for everyday wear at
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I am also in the Macellum, and 10% of your purchase goes to the treasury.

Thanks!;-)
Pythia




Subject: [Fwd: Ancient History Newsletter]
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@--------
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:47:40 -0800
This might be of some interesting! :)

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Subject: Io Liberalia
From: "Antonio Grilo" amg@--------
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:17:28 -0000
Salvete civis

Today, March 17 is the Liberalia, festival in honour of the Roman Gods Liber
and Libera, Gods of fertility and wine. In order to celebrate this day, old
women, acting as priestesses of Liber Pater, wear ivy weaths and displaying
cakes (libia) made of oil and honey. They would sacrifice these cakes to
Liber Pater for the passersby. The inclusion of Goddess Libera, His consort,
was a later development, which brought split jurisdiction over the female
and male seed respectively. A rustic ceremony, a large phallus was carted
around the countryside to encourage fertility and protect the crops from
evil, after which a wreath was placed upon it by a virtuous matron.
Remember that according to the legend, in 496BC Ceres, Liber and Libera,
native Roman deities, were equated to the greek Demeter, Dionysus and Kore,
respectively.

Euoi Saboi
Dei Liber et Libera fertilitatem et libertatem Novae Romae concedant

Valete omnes

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedile Plebis




Subject: sigh....apoligies
From: MaNPaRoman@--------
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:08:43 EST
Salvete all,

My last couple of posts have been a bit short and I would like to apoligize.
Most of it has been my being so tired setting up a new household with the 2
year old and the 1 month old. Part of it has been honest frustration with
some of the goings on lately. I wonder if I need another hiatus??

Crys



Subject: Re: Io Liberalia
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:50:57 EST
Well...whatever anyone is celebrating today...St. Patrick's
Day...Liberalia...Bachanlia...Dionysia...LIQUOR UP!!!!!!

BTW...would someone explain the difference between Liber and Bacchus? It
wasn't until most recently that I have learned of Liber. I was always
inclined that Bacchus was the Roman God of Wine (i.e. Dionysus). Are they
just two different names or is there a difference and if so, will someone care
to discuss?

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: Io Liberalia
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:46:54 -0500 (EST)
According to the information that I have Bachus was set down in 186BC
and his temples destroyed, because the Bachanalia was said to have
become so riotous and immoral.

Liber-An Italian fertility god. As Pater Liber he was identified with
Dionysus even though Liber does not appear to have been associated with
wine. He had an important cult on the Aventine Hill in Rome, along with
Ceres and his female equivelant Libra. Liber is sometimes identified
with the African God Shadrapa. Liber had a festival day on 17 March,
apparently shared with Libera.

Libera-The female equivelant of Liber. She was identified with the
Greek Goddess Persephone and apparently shared the festival of Liber on
17 March.

Reference:

Handbook To Life In Ancient Rome
(L. and R.A. Adkins)

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!




Subject: I feel like an idiot!!!
From: MaNPaRoman@--------
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:41:39 EST
Salvete all!!

I have NO clue where I put all the addresses I had from everyone who gave well
wishes and the like. So, I am going to have to ask for them again. You all
know who you are (I hope).

Please try to get me the addresses (private email, please) by, say Monday. I
plan to get cards this weekend.

Thanks
Vale,

Crys (blushing -- I'm soooooooo embarrased)



Subject: Patricius
From: "RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:01:15 -0500
Salvete Omnes

A few questions about the man who came to be known as St. Patrick:

- Was he not Italian, living most of his life in Roman Brittania?

- Was he captured in a Celtic raid and brought as a captive to Ireland?

- When are these events thought to have happened, 350 CE or so?

- How long do you think I would live if I were to go to a busy corner in
South Boston today carrying a sign reading "St. Patrick was Italian"?

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus






Subject: Re: Patricius
From: Dexippus@--------
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:41:31 EST
In a message dated 3/17/99 3:09:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:

<< A few questions about the man who came to be known as St. Patrick:

- Was he not Italian, living most of his life in Roman Brittania?

- Was he captured in a Celtic raid and brought as a captive to Ireland?

- When are these events thought to have happened, 350 CE or so?

- How long do you think I would live if I were to go to a busy corner in
South Boston today carrying a sign reading "St. Patrick was Italian"? >>


Well, considering that I'm not a Christian...I don't think this really is a
concern for me. I think the myth of St. Patrick tells that he drove the
snakes (which is read as being the Pagans) from Ireland. So...all my drinking
tonight is in honor of Bacchus/Liber.

--Dexippus



Subject: Re: I feel like an idiot!!!
From: jmath669642reng@--------)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:23:01 -0500 (EST)
I feel like this is some where I have been before!!!! (<Grin>).

James L. Mathews
1319 Baldwin Hill Road
Gales Ferry, CT
06335-1801

All the best;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!





Subject: Re: Patricius
From: Razenna razenna@--------
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:00:14 -0800


RMerullo wrote:

> A few questions about the man who came to be known as St. Patrick:
>
> - Was he not Italian, living most of his life in Roman Brittania?

He was Welsh.

> - Was he captured in a Celtic raid and brought as a captive to Ireland?

I'm not up on how he ended up in Hibernia, but he was there as a slave.And did
he ever get even with them for that!

> - When are these events thought to have happened, 350 CE or so?

Later than that.

> - How long do you think I would live if I were to go to a busy corner in
> South Boston today carrying a sign reading "St. Patrick was Italian"?

And some people think Nefertiti was a black African, or that the Nazarene book
of myths was written in English, and all sorts of other dumb things.As an Irish
(from Ireland) pagan I knew years ago would always say:
Padraig was a pig.

Ericius




Subject: Re: Patricius
From: Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:09:39 -0800 (PST)
>At 10:01 AM 3/17/99 -0500, RMerullo wrote:
>
>- How long do you think I would live if I were to go to a busy corner in
>South Boston today carrying a sign reading "St. Patrick was Italian"?
>
>
Given that the Irish will all be too pissed (drunk) to stand, no doubt you
could look forward to playing with your great-grandchildren (I say that as
the great-grandson of a Corker on my mother's side). But just in case, you
might want to bring along my cousin (on my father's side) Guido the
Arm-breaker. He specializes in protection.

Gangalius
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