| Subject: |
THE AGRESSION |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:02:37 +0100 |
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Salvete Qvirites, Salvete Romans,
I would like to express my possition about NATO's agression against
indipendant and sovereign Yugoslavia. On the first sign this looks as a
problem not related to Roman history, but I do not think so.
Rome had win many wars, but finally felt, because every war created an
enemy and this enemies became more and stronger by every next war.
You know the famouse "Qui gladio ferit, gladio perit" (Who is fighting
with a sword, dies from a sword).
I write the folloing only because the war in a neighbour country is a
tragedy and not only for us here in eastern Europe, but for all
judicious and justice people all over the world.
So, I would like to present some questions, and kindly ask our american
friends to consider about.
1. In 1929 serbians were 64 percents of Cosovo's population, while
albanians 29 perc. In 1998 serbians were 9.9 perc., because of the
permanent albanian extremists terror. Why USA supports terrorist who
realize ethnic clears?
2. Who deliver weapons (incl. STINGER rockets) to albanian guerrilas?
3. Why USA supports openly terrorist guerillas and force Yugoslavia
government to recognize them as a side of the conflict?
In every country there is a legal and peaceful way to protest. Nowhere
terror was a legal way.
4. Who will secure human rights for serbians and peacful albanians,
which do not prefere millitary solution? Do albanian guerillas who kill
policemen and sivilian serbians (as it was suggested in the peace plan
created by western powers) will secure these rights?
5. Why NATO is so hardly engaged by problems in Yugoslavia, while nobody
sees and is interested by the war in Algeria, genocide of Curds in
Turkey. What will happen if somebody decides to bomb Turkey, Spain or
Great Britain becouse of the ETA or IRA.
6. Why in conflict yugoslavian areas there must be NATO trops ONLY , but
not UN peacekeepers from neutral countries as Finland, Sweden, India,
Australia, Brazilia etc.
7. Agression against Yugoslavia is presented as force against
Miloshevich. But why all the serbians support him to save Kosovo as
historical serbian land. What will Americans think about if any foreign
power decided to invade California or Maine for example, because of any
pretext there.
8. How many serbians and albanians must die by air atacks and by total
war between these two ethnics, because this will be the only result of
NATO's air atacks? Their blood will make dirty hands of your president
and your army. Do you really want that?
9. Why the state which is teaching the whole world what the laws are is
absolutely ignoring the basic principles of international laws?
I do not want to insult anybody. This is the only what can I do against
injustice and wrong step as agression against Yugoslavia is. Americans
are right to be proud of their country, but they have no right to begin
this war.
I can't believe that famouse "Quia nominor leo" (because my name is
lion) is still the only law at the begining of 3 millenium.
P.S. There is a small comparative information about the Serbia and NATO
population (in mio) Serbia - 8.5 NATO - 712.9
territory (in thous. sq km) Serbia- 102 NATO - 23 319
all millitary airplanes Serbia-308 NATO - ?
tanks and armoured cars Serbia- 1855 NATO- ?
millit. cutters Serbia-132 NATO-?
Serbian says: Serbia is dying whispering.
I honour this small brave nation, who is prepared to die for the rights
on their Father land.
This agression can't be hidden behind the hypocrasy and fals words.
I believe in justice and true.
By the first news yugoslavian radio informs about the killed women and
children in the accomodating building of yugoslavian army. Shame on air
killers.
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| Subject: |
This guy Alex I.C .... |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:41:49 +0100 |
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Salvete
I would like to exact that I am not applying for any other praenomens as
Dictator etc.etc. I just want to specify who Gaius Iulius Caesar (100
B.C - 44 B.C.) I mean in my note as this one was not the only Gaius I.C.
The misunderstanding happen because of my not good English. I am sorry.
I have not any imperial or dictatorial ambitions, but just wanted to
defens persons who have done so much for ancient Rome. I consider also
from the view point of ancient Roman provinces and common Romans, which
situation was improved by Augustus reforms. The only Roman aristocracy
was that losed some of their priviledges.
My note was not against the republic status of NR. It is clear that it
can work ONLY as a republic.
I thank you Quintus Fabius for your note. I appreciate it as very useful
and interesting.
I thank very much to Gaius Marius Merullo, who understand well what I
mean.
I would like to ask our dear Censor Cassius to name me by full or just
first name as I am registered in the citizens roll. I think it would be
beter as "this guy, that guy etc. etc." If I have got a name , so please
use it.Thank you.
Alexender Iul. Caes. Probus M.
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| Subject: |
THE AGRESSION |
| From: |
hadji hadji@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:45:37 +0100 |
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Salvete Qvirites,
I was so excited to hear the latest radio news about air atacks
against Yugoslavia, that forgot to signature my late note. Please,
appologize me.
So, I am the author of this note.
Valete
Alexander Iul. Caes. Probus M.
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| Subject: |
Re: This guy Alex I.C .... |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:18:15 EST |
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In a message dated 3/25/99 3:46:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a> write--------r>
<< I mean in my note as this one was not the only Gaius I.C.
The misunderstanding happen because of my not good English. I am sorry.
I have not any imperial or dictatorial ambitions, but just wanted to
defens persons who have done so much for ancient Rome. >>
I didn't think you meant to claim yourself dictator...but perhaps just for
clarification you may want to drop "Dictator" from the name.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: THE AGRESSION |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:16:58 EST |
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In a message dated 3/25/99 3:07:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a> write--------r>
<< I would like to express my possition about NATO's agression against
indipendant and sovereign Yugoslavia. On the first sign this looks as a
problem not related to Roman history, but I do not think so. >> etc etc etc.
Ok...I'll be sure to call the White House right away!!!!!!
First off...who are you? I don't recall seeing you on this list before? Are
you a citizen?
Second...please refrain from propogating your macro-political sentiment on
this list and popularizing your anti-american opinions. This nationalism-
thread has reared its ugly head on this list before! This is a list to talk
about Ancient Rome and Nova Roma...not the macro-world and its politics. Your
post made no connection to Roma Antiqua so I find it rather off topic here.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: THE AGRESSION |
| From: |
Dexippus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:18:48 EST |
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In a message dated 3/25/99 3:50:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a> write--------r>
<< I was so excited to hear the latest radio news about air atacks
against Yugoslavia, that forgot to signature my late note. Please,
appologize me.
So, I am the author of this note.
Valete
Alexander Iul. Caes. Probus M. >>
Ok...that answers one question.
--Dexippus
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| Subject: |
Re: THE AGRESSION |
| From: |
dean6886@--------) |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:22:02 -0600 (CST) |
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I'm not so certain it is all that off-topic talking about
international politcs. As Rome has a long history of various peoples and
disputes over its long history it's interesting to talk about this
ongoing evolution of politics within our modern Nova Roma--- I'm sure
even the Vatican has had many discussions on this topic ongoing --- you
see where I'm going with this????--- I'm talking about modern issues in
relation to our modern nation and a good discussion of opinions on
things relating to all our citizens on a daily basis--- current events.
It falls into the realm of discussing international relations of Nova
Roma with the rest of the world not only just being recognized and
that's it--- does it?
I would like to comment on this posting. I don't feel that the
original post is anti-American but rather from a pro-Serbian viewpoint.
My comment on this is that I really don't believe that Nato's attack on
Serbia has a whole lot to do with attrocities or terrorism or any of
that really though there are people who really care at all levels about
any kind of attrocities and death of civilians and so forth. I believe
that Nato's involvement from the start in the region has been to prevent
this kind of conflict from spreading. What about Macedonia? What about
the Greek government somehow becoming embroiled in a regional conflict?
War spreading to Albania itself in an attempt for a greater Albania?
What if Turkey involved itself in direct conflict with Greece??? Divided
Nato members--what then??? What if ? What if?
The Kurds were mentioned in Turkey? Well, during the Iraq conflict
why would anyone think that the rest of Nato led by the US would pull
out and just barely protect the Kurdish people in Iraq? Perhaps fear of
the idea of a Kurdish nation which would possibly incite the Turkish
government to take action??? What if???? It's a powderkeg of
possibility. I'm totally neutral on this by the way. I do think it's a
good thing though when our citizens can speak openly as to their
opinions of what's going on in the world around them instead of sticking
to ancient history in our conversations. We are a living, modern nation
aren't we???
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: THE AGRESSION |
| From: |
SFP55@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:45:52 EST |
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Salve.
The area has been destabilized for years now. I have a feeling that this is a
big reason why NATO gave the ultimatum
Q. Fabius
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| Subject: |
Re: THE AGRESSION |
| From: |
SDmtwi@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:20:53 EST |
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Salvete,
First, I agree with Dex. This thread is off-topic for this list. It more
properly belongs in the Back Alley.
Having said that, I will transgress by offering a few denarii myself. For
what is, I believe, the most to-the-point and unbiased examination of the
situation in Kosovo and the rest of the world, I strongly recommend going to
www.stratfor.com and reading their Global Interest Updates. They also have a
fairly comprehensive briefing of the area, its history, and the various people
involved.
Valete,
T. Labienus Fortunatus
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