Subject:	Re: Ludi Romani
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:06:31 +0100

Salve Merulle et omnes

>Question: how do we observe? Is there a url to which we should point our
>browsers in order to read the textual description of the action?
Yes. It will be a chatroom like our Tavern. I will tell the address later.

>What assistance do you need?
Wrong word taken from Portuguese =))). What I meant was:
"I hereby invite all Nova Roman citizens to be present at the first
games of Nova Roma and honour in this way the Plebeian Gods Ceres, Liber
and Libera."

Nevertheless, some simple assistance is welcomed. I would like to receive
reviews of Roman-related computer games in order to be included in the Games
page.

Valete omnes

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Aedile Plebis

Subject:	Re: Kosovo, Yugoslavia, the USA and Nova Roma
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:00:28 -0800 (PST)

Salvete Omnes.

I rise in support of the remarks of our List-Domina. As a micronation, Nova
Roma is in no position to take any action whatsoever regarding the Balkan
conflict; therefore, Nova Roma must take no position whatsoever regarding
the Balkan conflict; therefore, the Forum is not the place for a citizen to
state any position whatsoever regarding the Balkan conflict.
Well-constructed historical parallels drawn between the current situation
and those faced by Roma Antiqua are legitimately within the province of our
Forum; however, let us beware of foreign entanglements.

May the Gods preserve the Senate and People of Nova Roma!

Valete.

Marcus Martianus Gangalius



At 03:08 PM 3/26/99 -0000, jane wrote:
>From: -------- <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
>
>Quoth Mike Macnair:
>
>Since I haven't yet resigned as List-Domina, I'll weigh in with my view
>here:
>
>There are many places online where we can discuss current world politics.
>There is only one - this one - where we can discuss a broad range of
>interests in the history of ancient Rome, and work toward increasing
>awareness of and appreciation for that history. Thus, this and other
>political topics are less topical than the recent historical discussion,
>for example.
>
>However, Scaevola makes a good point here:
>
>> But the parallels
>>between the informal American empire and the informal Roman empire of the
>>later Republic, and the risks to republicanism which are involved, have
>>been noticed before me (mainly by Americans!) and these are matters which
>>are of some interest to our understanding of Roman history and our idea of
>>Nova Roma.
>
>Suggestions for on-topic posts in this area might include:
>
>* A list or discussion of ancient Roman sites imperiled by the bombing
>(perhaps with information on how we as Nova Romans can help preserve or
>restore them)
>* A historical discussion of what places in the Roman Empire are in the
>area of strife. What experiences did Rome have trying to govern these
>areas, and how did the people of these areas fare under Roman rule? How
>did Rome change the Balkans?
>* Parallels between Rome and the United States, preferably with specific
>examples and references.
>
>Thanks for listening,
>Patricia Cassia
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Subject:	Re: Relevance of Balkan Discussion, was Re: YUGOSLAVIA et alia
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:01:03 -0800 (PST)

At 09:50 AM 3/27/99 -0600, Megas - Robinson wrote:
>From: Megas - Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
>
>Salvete Omnes, et Bona Fortuna Macedonicus,
>
>The current discussion does have some relevance to our Micro-Nation. We
>exist at the sufference of the Macro-Nations in which we reside. We have
>Cives who are suffering. I have a friend in my Faith Community whose Wife
>and Children were in Yugoslavia doing relief work when things heated up
>again; he's not sure if they are safe yet.
>
>Those of us in the U.S., and to some extent Canada, tend to be hesitate to
>look at the broader world around us for its effects here at home. If we
>have trouble looking at the broad issues, how comfortable will we be in
>handling the smaller personal issues of Re-Awakening Rome in the Modern Host
>Community?
>
>Mea Sententia - Venator
>
>ROMA RES PUBLICA RESURGANS!
>
>hadji wrote:(A very heartfelt on intersting posts.)
>
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Salve Venator,

With all due respect to the Quaestor, the relevance to Nova Roma that you
cite is still peripheral at best. As such, I suggest that the Back Alley is
a more proper venue for this topic. The NATO action in Jugoslavia is likely
to continue for weeks, if not months, and I doubt that most Novaromani would
care for this situation to be a principal topic of discussion on the Nova
Roma list for the duration. There are OTHER places to debate this!

Meanwhile, as an American with some Croatian ancestry, I am in the process
of responding to Macedonius privately.

Vale.

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Subject:	Re: Is Kosovo Off Topic?
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:02:28 -0800 (PST)

Salvete, omnes.

It has been said that the first casualty of war is the truth....

Requiescat in pace, veritas!

Marcus Martianus Gangalius


At 08:38 AM 3/29/99 EST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=226107192180229130130232031248147208071048" >LSergAust@--------</--------; wrote:
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=226107192180229130130232031248147208071048" >LSergAust@--------</--------;
>
>Salvete omnes
>
>I have to agree with those who have argued the appropriateness of
>discussing the events in Kosovo in our forum.
>
>According to our founding documents, we are not just an Internet group
>for chatting about Roman history and culture. We assert ourselves to be
>"nothing less than" a sovereign nation, and one that asserts a claim to
>territories in the region in question. It is certainly a matter of our
>national interest if (1) our citizens are involved, directly or
>indirectly, (2) the adminstration of territory we claim is affected, and
>(3) there is a horrendous precedent established here of armed
>intervention in the territory and internal affairs of a sovereign state,
>WITHOUT any pretext of war.
>
>I have to question whether this action is being undertaken for
>humanitarian motives. The Western powers have made a habit throughout
>this entire century of looking the other way while masses of innocent
>people were slaughtered. They've allowed the slaughter of innocents in
>Rwanda, in Cambodia, in mainland China, in Tibet, in Bosnia, in Chile, in
>Argentina, in Nicauragua, in El Salvador, in Lebanon, in Iran, in Iraq,
>in Ethiopia, in the Sudan,in Turkey (a NATO member, I believe).... the
>list is a long one. Rarely have they intervened to stop it, and then
>usually far too late.
>
>So after a couple of years of watching and making idle threats, why are
>they risking lives and resources to attack the Serbians? I suggest that
>it can hardly be for humanitarian reasons when they have such a long,
>sorry record of indifference to human suffering.
>
>I submit that it is because NATO is desparate to find a reason for its
>continued existence, and behind NATO, the military industrial complex of
>the West is desparate to keep its profits up. NATO was created to block
>the expansion of the Soviet Union into Western Europe. With disappearance
>of the SU, and the impotence of the Russian Federation, NATO, that vast
>grand military force and bureaucracy, has no more reason for existence.
>So it proposes to become the international SWAT team (or the enforcers)
>of Europe.
>
>And just as the arms industries profit by the expansion of NATO -- all
>those new members have to start equipping their forces with expensive
>NATO-compatible arms and equipment. Now the profits will be boosted even
>more by the expenditure of arms and equipment in battle.
>
>And those of us residing in the U. S. know that Clinton still needs an
>overseas distraction. The tail is still wagging the dog.
>
>It would be nice to think our nations do things for humanitarian and
>moral reasons, but I fear that just isn't true and never has been.
>
>Valete
>
>L. Sergius Aust.
>
>
>
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>
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Subject:	OOPS!!!
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:07:00 -0800 (PST)

Salvete omnes,

Please disregard my last two messages. I was sending these messages to my
w-mail address at work, but I neglected to remove <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
from the CC heading. I apologize for the incomvenience.

Vale,

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Subject:	Re: OOPS!!!
From:	Megas-Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:38:24 -0600

Vale Gangalius!

Well Come to Legio I OOPS! I have, uh, proudly served in the past. I shall
probably serve in the future.

Vale - Venator

Gail and Thomas Gangale wrote:
>
> From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Please disregard my last two messages. I was sending these messages to my
> w-mail address at work, but I neglected to remove <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> from the CC heading. I apologize for the incomvenience.
>
> Vale,
>
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Subject:	Let's talk about Peace for a minute, shall we? <G>
From:	MaNPaRoman@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:45:56 EST

Salvete all!!

I know this is WAY off topic from the conflicts reaching the news, but it is
important to me and so I will share it as you are all my family (even if I
DON'T want to admit it all the time <G>)!!

Today is the day that my precious Prima Iunia Terrelina (a.k.a. Terry) was
born!! Today is her 2nd birthday. She didn't get anything Roman for this
birthday, but she DID get the blue/purple Teletubbie (no Dex, you CAN'T have
his purse!!!) and some nice clothes.

Don's daughter made Terry some woven bracelets and she even got a baby
keyboard (musical, not computer) from Don's ex and her girlfriend.

Nothing from Terrys bio.

I now return you to the talk of civil unrest. <G>

Don and Crys (Mamertinius and Amethystia Crystallina)

Subject:	Duplicate messages was Re: Relevance of Balkan Discussion, was Re: YUGOSLAVIA et alia
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:46:56 -0500

Salvete Marce Martiane et alii

I suggest that, to conserve space in all our inboxes and resources in
general, we not post duplicate messages.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus


>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
>At 09:50 AM 3/27/99 -0600, Megas - Robinson wrote:
>>From: Megas - Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
>>
>>Salvete Omnes, et Bona Fortuna Macedonicus,
>>
>>Mea Sententia - Venator
>>
>>ROMA RES PUBLICA RESURGANS!
>>
>>hadji wrote:(A very heartfelt on intersting posts.)
>>
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>Salve Venator,
>
>With all due respect to the Quaestor, the relevance to Nova Roma that you
>cite is still peripheral at best. As such, I suggest that the Back Alley
is
>

Subject:	Re: Yugoslavia and Nova Roma
From:	Michael Cessna clinkerbuilt2@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:18:46 -0800 (PST)

Ave, cives!

I would like to say that I think this debate is healthy for our
nation. Unfortunately, there are those who misunderstand the point of
debating this issue.

I realize that we (NR) can have no material
effect on the outcome of this sorry episode. Even so, whether we express
an opinion or no, this is a matter of importance, that should be
debated.

If, nay, WHEN, we become a physical nation-in-being , these sorts
of questions will arise to bedevil the Senatus et Populi. It would be
better for all of us, if we learn, now, how to respond to such
situations. The only way to learn now, when it costs us little, beyond
political rancor, is to debate the issue. For us, right now, the risk is
small, as is the price. In the future, the price will be legionary
lives.

I don't mean to sound maudlin about this, but
serving in the Legio Navis of the Western Proviciae (the USMC), I've
seen too many useless, wheel-spinning operations like the current idiocy
to avoid debating
this. To be blunt, my voice in the US is but a squeak
beneath Niagra Falls. But in NR, I and my fellows, such as you, can have
a meaningful say in matters.

From a historical point, I am reminded of the
Jugurthine War: mindless, unending struggle, over a piece of turf no one
cared about, or wanted. There are those who say 'we' (the US) should
intervene, apparently out of the goodness of our hearts. I also notice
that most of these people are not, have never been in, nor have
relatives in the services. Those ivory towers must be nice.

All the same, we Nova Romans have a unique
oppotunity: here, we have a training ground in national decision-making,
a Collegium of Statecraft, being handed to us. I sincerely feel that
this is an opportunity we should not pass up.

Of course, this does not mean that debate on this
issue should consume all our time. Far from it. The doors of the Temple
of Janus are said to have been closed but three times in the history of
Roma Antiqua.
Yet, life went on. This is as it should be with us.

I do not feel that debating current events, or taking a stand on
them, will do Nova Roma any harm. Quite the contrary. I think it can
only be healthy for the body-politic.

Finally, my friends, although some of us seem to
differ on this point, I hope you understand that I bear no ill feelings.
My only concern in this matter is the health of our nation.


Valete,

Gnaeus Marius Asiaticus


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Subject:	Re: Is Kosovo Off Topic?
From:	legion6@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:59:15 -0600 (CST)

Salvete omnes...

Marius Merullus said:
>Appropriate or not, it is the subject about which everyone wants to
>talk. So be it then, let's talk about it.

...and Marius Fimbria replies:

A similar situation arose when I was in college during the L.A. riots.
The atmosphere on-campus was tense, and although Riverside is a good 70
miles inland from Los Angeles, there was some real danger that the
student body might get swept up in the ripple-disturbances taking place
only blocks away.

One English teacher took stock of the situation and, realizing that she
wasn't going to get much English taught when the students had this
other thing on their minds, did a wise and sensible thing: She
dedicated that entire classroom period to letting the students discuss
the riots, the racial tensions that led to them, and the trial verdict
that exacerbated the tensions.

I could sense the difference in the air after that period. People were
smiling (albeit tentatively) and talking to each other again (albeit
quietly)...It was a small college, and that instructor probably
single-handedly kept the place from going up in flames.

I don't think Nova Roma is going to go up in flames over this. Nor do
I want to see this List turn into <a href="mailto:kosovo@--------" >kosovo@--------</a>. But I must agree
with my kinsman here: Sometimes you just *need* to talk.
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Subject:	2 the historians
From:	MaNPaRoman@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:54:59 EST

Salvete

I have been looking all day for information on W.E.B.DeBoise. I got a picture
yesterday of "The Black Hills" - a Rushmore type with Douglas, King, Malcolm X
and DuBoise on it. Don dosen't know about DeBoise and it's been a long time
for me too.

I know this isn't Roman, but if anyone can tell me where I can find some
information (on the WWW please -- I can't drive to a library and I'd rather
not buy a book right now, even if I CAN afford it).

Crys (kinda ashamed at her lack of Afriican American History knowledge)

Subject:	Conquest of the Danube Region and Augustan Frontier Policy
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:54:01 -0500 (EST)

Wthin the Augustan System, which was followed by the Julio-Claudian
Emperors, a very prudent balance was held between demonstrations of
strength and diplomacy; wherever peace could be achieved by diplomacy,
that is by alliances and treaties, military measures were deemed
superfluous and avoided as much as possible. Military occupation of the
Danube frontier at the time of Augustus was a last resort, and Lentulus
was in fact the only general to carry out such a measure. "The Watch on
the Danube" even under Tiberius merely meant that legions were stationed
in a province which had the Danube (River) as a boundary, not that they
were actually stationed on the bank of the river.

{Tacitus, Ann.iv,5:ripammque Danuvi legionum duae in Pannonia, duae in
Moesia attinebant--Of these four legions only two, XV Apollinaris and V
Macedonia were stationed on the Danube, at Carnuntum and Oescus
respectively}.

A further method of consolidation, often successfully adopted under
Augustus, was the resettlement of large ethnic groups. We have already
seen reason to suspect that the migration of the Hermunduri and the
Marcomanni was brought about either at Rome's instigation or at least
with her connivance. In the first decade A.D., Aelius Catus, Commander
of the Moesian Army and possibly govenor of Macedonia, had 50,000 Getae
settled soth of te Dnube in what was later Moesia;

(Strabo vi, 3, 10)

The most significant movement of this kind, however, was the transfer of
the Sarmatian tribe of the Lazyges to the Great Hungarian Plain. This
settlement, so important for the subsequent history of the Carpathian
area, can be understood only within the context of Dacian-Romans
disputes. After Burebista's victory over the Celts the Dacians were in
virtual possession of the whole of the Hungarian Plain. The Dacian Wars
under Augustus were a clear indication that the usual methods
successfully applied elsewhere were useless against the Dacians. The
obvious thing to do was to impose a buffer state on the Plain, which
would keep the dangerous enemy at bay. The first general to come into
contact with the Sarmatians was Lentulus, who forced them to respect the
Danube Frontier

(Florus ii, 28-29)

It is possible that Lentulus was in fact the general who organized the
transfer of the Lazyges to the Hungarian Plain. At the time of the
Vinicius Campaign, at any rate, they were not yet settled in the
Carpathian Region,

(They are not mentioned on the fragmentary inscription ILS 8965.
Jordanes, Get.74, possibly refers to their location at that time,
i.e.west of the River Alutus (Olt) and south of the Carpathians.)

but by the middle of the first century they are mentioned as being old
neighbors of the Quadi.

(Lucan, Phars, iii, 94; Seneca, quaes. nat. i, praef., 9.)

According to Pliney they drove the Dacians out of the Plain and into the
mountains on it's Northern edge.

(Pliny, Nat. Hist. iv, 80. )

Their earlist settlement area was between the Danube and Tiza,

(For the earlist Iazygan finds, see A. M'ocsy, Acta Arch. iv, 1954,
124ff.)

and thus they were in a position at least to keep the Dacians away from
Pannonnia.

The great campaign to secure the Danube was launched by Augustus in AD.
6, when he dispatched Tiberius with a very strong force against
Maroboduus, king of the Maromanni.

(Vellius Pat.. ii, 110.)

This campaign was intended to pacify the strongest German power north of
the Danube. Tiberius was already deep in enemy country when the
Pannonians on the initive of Bato, Chieftain of the Pannonnian tribe of
the Daesidiates revolted. Tiberius returned immediately to Pannonia
after he had concludd a peace-treaty with Marobodus, which he later
respected until he was ovethrown.

(Tacitus, Ann. ii, 46.)

There now followed three difficult years for Roman Rule, so recently
established in Pannonia.

(The main sources for this rebellion are Vellius Pat. ii, 110 ff., and
Dio lv, 28ff.; lvi, 1, 11-17. Cf. also Suetonius, Tib. 16; Orosius vi,
21, 27, etc.)

As the cause of the revolt Cassius Dio cites the mass levyof the
Pannonian tribes imposed by the governor, Valerius Messalla. In fact up
to A.D. 6 Pannonians had not been enlisted in the Roman Army, not even
in the great war 0f 12-9 B.C. It will be remembered at that time
Tiberius had all young men sold as slaves. In the years between, boys
who had escaped slavery by reason of their youth were growing up and,
according to Velleius, they gave the Pannonians confidence th hrow off
the unaccustomed foreign yoke.

(More to follow)

Pannonia and Upper Moesia (A History of the Middle Danube Provinces of
the Roman Empire); Andr'as M'ocsy (Professor of Archaeology--University
of Budapest), Translation by Shepard Frere, London / Boston, Routledge
& Kegan Paul, 1974.

Respectfully Submitted;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Nova Roma et Jugoslavija
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:07:45 -0800 (PST)

Salvete, Quirites.

Asiaticus refers to "WHEN we become a physical nation-in-being."

Does my friend Asiaticus have a timetable for this? If it is to be next
year, then my friends, we had all better start hitting the books. Let us
get our Political Science degrees and our International Relations degrees
and our Law degrees. We should all gain real experience in statecraft and
run for public office in the macro-world. Let us all be city councilpersons
and alderpersons and mayors. Let us all be county supervisors. Let us all
be state legislators and governors. Let us all be congresspersons and
senators and members of Parliament. Let us be prime ministers and
presidents. Let us not be unprepared for this sudden prodigy, this gift
from the Gods!

But those who foresee a much more gradual ascent to the lofty heights of
physical nationhood surely will reflect at their leisure upon the momentous
events of our time, and make of them a most careful study. Their children
or grandchildren will be the blessed beneficiaries of their patient years of
scholarship. Thus the wisdom which must attend, as a midwife, the birth of
a new nation, shall be at hand when it is required.

Asiaticus says, "My voice in the US is but a squeak beneath Niagra Falls.
But in NR, I and my fellows, such as you, can have a meaningful say in matters."

Oh, what awesome power to bellow in a closet! My good friend Asiaticus can
have a meaningful say in matters which are UNMEANINGFUL to Nova Roma in its
current infant state, as may we all. How shall this build a stronger
Republic? Are we to run marathons before we have learned to walk? Beware,
my crib-mates, for the child who walks too early can be crippled for life.
I am such a one, and all too often have I had need of the surgeon's
services. Shall we likewise cripple our Republic by demanding too much of
it too soon? Where are our laws, Quirites? Where are our Tribes and our
Centuries? Where are our Aediles Curules? Our Republic is far from
finished. How responsible is it for us to debate foreign affairs when we
have not yet completed our domestic institutions? Let us look to our own
State, Quirites, rather that squander our energies in wrangling over the
state of other States!

My friend Asiaticus says, "We Nova Romans have a unique opportunity: here,
we have a training ground in national decision-making, a Collegium of
Statecraft, being handed to us."

Yea, that opportunity was handed to us a year ago. That opportunity was
handed to us by Germanicus and Cassius. Where is our dedication to complete
what they began? What, are we so undisciplined that we will turn away from
that oh so tiresome task and seek new thrills in irrelevant diversions? For
the truth is, dear friends, the when the dust has settled in Jugoslavija,
when the last speech in our Forum has been made about Jugoslavija, we will
have settled NOTHING regarding Jugoslavija! If this crisis admits of a
solution, it will have been decided by the macro-powers. Ours will have
been an empty enterprise, and our true work will have been neglected, our
farms grown to weeds!

The purpose that brings us together IS NOT Jugoslavija. Jugoslavija can do
nothing but DIVIDE us, like the Slovenes from the Croats from the Bosnians
from the Serbs from the Albanians from the Macedonians from the Greeks from
the Turks. Is it not plain to us that these are people who have not learned
to live together in peace? Tell me, anyone, I challenge you, what can we
learn from them?

Oh, but the glistening of freshly shed blood is so seductive.... Like
motorists passing by an accident, we are strangely compelled to slow down
and gawk at the carnage, and idly remark to each other, "Isn't it awful!"

Focus, Quirites, focus on the true task before us! It is NOVA ROMA!

I address you not as the grandson of a woman who was born scarcely a hundred
miles from the killing, although I most certainly could. I address you not
as the descendant of immigrants from a half-dozen NATO nations, although I
most certainly could. I address you not as a former captain and fighter
crewmwmber in the United States Air Force, although I most certainly could.
I address you as a Novaromanus, and only that. In the marcro-world, I am
all of these other things, but here, in this Forum, I am a Novaromanus, and
only that. That is all that I need to be before you. Indeed, that is all
that I have a right to be before you. I am a Novaromanus!

May the gods preserve the Senate and the People of Nova Roma!

Marcus Martianus Gangalius
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Subject:	Re: Nova Roma et Jugoslavija
From:	Razenna razenna@--------
Date:	Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:24:52 -0800

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Gail and Thomas Gangale wrote:

> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> "WHEN we become a physical nation-in-being."
>
> Does my friend Asiaticus have a timetable for this?

<big Snip>

> Let us not be unprepared for this sudden prodigy, this gift
> from the Gods!

Why should we be different from any other country?

<HUGE snip>

Ericius

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