| Subject: |
Annals |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:31:40 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve, Patricia.
I updated religio_romana/deities.html and via_romana/gentes.html. Also in
the Annals for the year MMDCCLI are the following articles:
The Resignation of Germanicus
Religion and the Republic
The Election (just begun)
If you (or anyone else) find errors of fact or points which should
eleborated upon, I'd be very appreciative. I have no idea what transpired
in private e-mail or in the chat room in the course of these events, so
personal anecdotes will be of great value. This will be especially true of
the period prior the the establishment of the Nova Roma OneList on 25 Jul
1998. It would be great if I could get statements from all who were present
at the foundation of Nova Roma, particularly the senators and magistrates,
as well as those who participated in events prior to the OneList.
Vale,
Gangalius
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| Subject: |
Re: Annals |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla alexious@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:26:57 -0700 |
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Salve, you can look at the archives during the Labor day holiday for Info
regarding Germanicus's resignation. And during the months of Oct. - early
december for the elections. :)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Praetor Urbanus
Gail and Thomas Gangale wrote:
> From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
> Salve, Patricia.
>
> I updated religio_romana/deities.html and via_romana/gentes.html. Also in
> the Annals for the year MMDCCLI are the following articles:
>
> The Resignation of Germanicus
> Religion and the Republic
> The Election (just begun)
>
> If you (or anyone else) find errors of fact or points which should
> eleborated upon, I'd be very appreciative. I have no idea what transpired
> in private e-mail or in the chat room in the course of these events, so
> personal anecdotes will be of great value. This will be especially true of
> the period prior the the establishment of the Nova Roma OneList on 25 Jul
> 1998. It would be great if I could get statements from all who were present
> at the foundation of Nova Roma, particularly the senators and magistrates,
> as well as those who participated in events prior to the OneList.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gangalius
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| Subject: |
Days of the week |
| From: |
"RMerullo" rmerullo@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:34:28 -0400 |
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Salvete Omnes
It seems strange to me that the Romans reckoned time as they did, by
numbering days leading up to special days, without the handy concept of a
week, while modern Romance languages have names for the days of the week
that appear to be derived from names of the Gods and Godesses of Rome.
Take the Italian names for days Giovedi and Venerdi: the former is derived
from Iuppiter/Iovis and the latter from Venus/Veneris. I seem to recall
similar names for corresponding days in Spanish: Jueves y Viernes?
It seems to be confusion on a grand scale that the Romani did not attach the
names of their own gods to days, but their largely Christian descendents now
do so. How and when did this happen?
Almost as odd is the norse god naming convention for naming days in English
("Thursday" = "Thor's day"). Did the Romance languages mimic the Germanic
ones? If so, why, and, how does Thor correspond to Iuppiter?
Valete
Gaius Marius Merullus
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| Subject: |
Celebrate History |
| From: |
Razenna razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:38:12 -0700 |
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Salvete, Quirites!
I know that the number of NovaRomans that are making it to the Celebrate History
convention in South San Francisco, California over this coming weekend (9-11
Aprilis) is finite [almost to the point of in-finite]. Just the same, I wanted
to draw your attention to their website again. The Nova Roma website is linked
on the Celebrate History list of Participating Organizations.
Here is the link to that page:
<a href="http://www.celebratehistory.com/1999/organizations/" target="_top" >http://www.celebratehistory.com/1999/organizations/</a>
The other organizations listed will give an idea what this convention is trying
to cover.
Browse on to the schedule and you'll see the First Battle of Cremona listed.
Q. Fabius Maximus is putting on that "game" as a demo. If my camera is up to
doing justice to his work I will send pix to the Eagle. L. Cornelius Sulla has
reserved an information table in the name of Nova Roma and Cassius and Audens
have a new flyer for that table. Both Fabius and Sulla also have produced some
flyers.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius
Propraetor of California Provincia
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| Subject: |
Re: Days of the week |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:56:35 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salvete, omnes.
The seven-day week originated in the East. Both the Egyptians and Sumerians
had it, and the Jews acquired it from one of them, and later, in turn, the
Christians from the Jews. The planets were thought by the Egyptians to rule
each hour of the day, and the day whose first hour was ruled by a given
planet was named after that planet.
Meanwhile, in semi-barbarous Italy, the Latins were not particularly
methodical in marking the passage of time. Unlike the Egyptians and
Sumerians, they didn't have to be concerned with the regular rise and fall
of great rivers which were the source of life in an arrid climate. For
instance, for a long time the Latin calendar began with Martius and ended
with December. Who needed winter months when no one did much during that
time of year anyway? One can see what careful thought they gave to naming
the months; after naming the first four, they just numbered the rest! Thus
it's no surprise that their way of dividing the months into Kalends, Nones,
and Ides, and counting backwards from them was, well, inconvenient. From
Numa to Caesar, the Roman calendar was lunisolar. The months were reckoned
according to the cycle of the moon, while the average length of the year was
based on the solar cycle. But whereas in the East a careful formula was
worked out for a regular pattern of 12- and 13-lunar-month years (the
19-year Metonic cycle), in Rome it was left to the pontiffs to decide when
to add an extra period of day (called Mercedonius) in the middle of
Februarius. In the last decades of the Republic, the length of the year was
manipulated for political purposes, to either lengthen the term of an ally
or shorten the term of an opponent.
This got so far out of hand that Caesar had to decree a 14-month year to put
the calendar right again. Unfortunately, when Caesar reformed the Roman
calendar based on the advise of the Hellenistic Egyptian astronomer
Sosigenes, at which time the calendar became the purely solar it is today,
he did not embrace the Egyptian seven-day week, which was by then in use
elsewhere in the Hellenistic world.
The infamous Constantinus (boo! hiss!) finally incorporated the seven-day
week into the Roman calendar in the 4th c. It is interesting that no
attempt was made at the time to move away from the names of the "pagan"
gods. I suspect, but have not read, that this was because the Greek names
for the seven-day week were common knowledge, and it only remained for them
to be adopted into Latin, in which form they would henceforth appear on
legal documents. Also, it seems likely that the Latin names had long been
used by Latin-speaking Christians:
Dies Solis
Dies Lunae
Dies Martis
Dies Mercurii
Dies Iovis
Dies Veneris
Dies Saturni
Salvete.
Marcus Matianus Gangalius
At 04:34 PM 4/5/99 -0400, RMerullo wrote:
>From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
>Salvete Omnes
>
>It seems strange to me that the Romans reckoned time as they did, by
>numbering days leading up to special days, without the handy concept of a
>week, while modern Romance languages have names for the days of the week
>that appear to be derived from names of the Gods and Godesses of Rome.
>
>Take the Italian names for days Giovedi and Venerdi: the former is derived
>from Iuppiter/Iovis and the latter from Venus/Veneris. I seem to recall
>similar names for corresponding days in Spanish: Jueves y Viernes?
>
>It seems to be confusion on a grand scale that the Romani did not attach the
>names of their own gods to days, but their largely Christian descendents now
>do so. How and when did this happen?
>
>Almost as odd is the norse god naming convention for naming days in English
>("Thursday" = "Thor's day"). Did the Romance languages mimic the Germanic
>ones? If so, why, and, how does Thor correspond to Iuppiter?
>
>Valete
>
>Gaius Marius Merullus
>
>
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