| Subject: |
Re: Days of the week |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:17:20 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On 04/05/99 19:56:35 you wrote:
>
>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
>Salvete, omnes.
>
>The seven-day week originated in the East. Both the Egyptians and Sumerians
>had it, and the Jews acquired it from one of them, and later, in turn, the
>Christians from the Jews. The planets were thought by the Egyptians to rule
>each hour of the day, and the day whose first hour was ruled by a given
>planet was named after that planet.
What I'm waiting for is for some New Caesar to rearrange the calendar for a 4-day, 3-hour work week!
The three hours are in honor of the Roman triad of Juno, Jupiter and Minerva (a religious rationale usually works!)
Let's petition Imp. Billius Clintonius!
-- Flavia Claudia
|
| Subject: |
Re: Days of the week |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:20:07 EDT |
|
In a message dated 4/5/99 4:43:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:
<< Did the Romance languages mimic the Germanic
ones? If so, why, and, how does Thor correspond to Iuppiter? >>
Thor is the Germanic/Nordic God of Thunder. Iuppiter is the Roman God of
Thunder. They are of the same archetype. Oak was sacred to both.
--Dexippus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Days of the week |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:36:41 EDT |
|
In a message dated 4/6/99 5:17:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wr--------:
<< What I'm waiting for is for some New Caesar to rearrange the calendar for
a 4-day, 3-hour work week!
The three hours are in honor of the Roman triad of Juno, Jupiter and Minerva
(a religious rationale usually works!)
Let's petition Imp. Billius Clintonius! >>
I'm all for it!
--Dexippus
|
| Subject: |
Polytheism vs. Paganism |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete, omnes.
The fact that our public documents refer to "Roman Paganism" bothers me a
little. The term "pagan" is rather pejorative, synonymous with "heathen".
The term "Polytheism", however, doesn't carry the same baggage, and I think
in a linguistic sense, it would lend more dignitas to what we are about here
in Nova Roma. Hindus, for instance, are polytheists, but I've never heard
them referred to as pagans or heathens.
How do others feel about this? Should our public documents be revised in
favor of "Roman Polytheism?
Vale.
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
-------------
Tom and Gail Gangale
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm</a>
Mars Society California
The Martian Time Web Site
The Martian Ministry of Culture
Bunny Hill (and Catsville Too)
The National Primary System
World GenWeb Calabria
|
| Subject: |
Days of the week |
| From: |
Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:44:37 -0400 |
|
To add to Merullus' post on days of the week:
French: Lundi, Mardi, Mercredi, Jeudi, Vendredi, Samedi, Dimanche
Welsh: Dydd Llun, ... Mawrth, Mercher, Iau, Gwener, Sadwrn, Sul
Anglo-Latin from the Journals of the House of Lords: Die Lunae, Martis,
Mercuriii, Jovis, Veneris ...
Since Latin loan-words in Welsh are generally for very basic things & date
before the Saxon conquest it seems likely that the days of the week are
late-roman and my guess would be that they date from the period of mixed
paganism/ christianity in the later empire (discussed eg by Beard, North &
Price, Religions of Rome, ch. 8); it seems more likely that the
inconsistent Germanic versions
(Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday
Montag, Dienstag, Mittwoch, Donnerstag, Freitag)
are adaptations of the romanistic version than vice versa.
Tiw is, like Mars, a warrior/ fertility god; Woden was normally assimilated
to Mercury (the trickster) and Thor to Jupiter (the thunderer).
However, this is pretty pure speculation. In the run-up to the 'millenium'
there have been several books published on the history of the calendar,
though I don't have the references to hand, and one or more these would no
doubt provide the current scholarly view...
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
|
| Subject: |
Re: Polytheism vs. Paganism |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:54:59 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On 04/06/99 13:39:16 you wrote:
>
>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
>Salvete, omnes.
>
>The fact that our public documents refer to "Roman Paganism" bothers me a
>little. The term "pagan" is rather pejorative, synonymous with "heathen".
>The term "Polytheism", however, doesn't carry the same baggage, and I think
>in a linguistic sense, it would lend more dignitas to what we are about here
>in Nova Roma. Hindus, for instance, are polytheists, but I've never heard
>them referred to as pagans or heathens.
>
Then you must not have been listening to Mother Teresa, the 700 Club, the fundamentalist Christians, or the representatives of the colonial
British Empire! :-)
I cannot believe this argument is about to start again. Oh, joy. However, I have nothing against the term Polytheism. But then, I don't have a
problem with Heathen or Pagan, either. The term "pagan" becomes pejorative when used as an epithet, which is not done by practictioners, but
by opposition. I see no loss of dignitas by using the word Pagan, and I'm sorry to hear that you do.
-- Flavia Claudia
|
| Subject: |
Polytheism vs. Paganism |
| From: |
Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:40:28 -0700 (PDT) |
|
Salvete, omnes.
If this is not a useful topic for discussion, then please disregard my
previous message. It was not my purpose to offend anyone, and I sincerely
and deeply apologize if I have.
Vale.
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
At 03:54 PM 4/6/99 -0500, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029176066112038190112158203026129208071" >m--------oon@--------</a> wrote:
>On 04/06/99 13:39:16 you wrote:
>>
>>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>>
>>Salvete, omnes.
>>
>>The fact that our public documents refer to "Roman Paganism" bothers me a
>>little. The term "pagan" is rather pejorative, synonymous with "heathen".
>>The term "Polytheism", however, doesn't carry the same baggage, and I think
>>in a linguistic sense, it would lend more dignitas to what we are about here
>>in Nova Roma. Hindus, for instance, are polytheists, but I've never heard
>>them referred to as pagans or heathens.
>>
>Then you must not have been listening to Mother Teresa, the 700 Club, the
fundamentalist Christians, or the representatives of the colonial
>British Empire! :-)
>
>I cannot believe this argument is about to start again. Oh, joy. However, I
have nothing against the term Polytheism. But then, I don't have a
>problem with Heathen or Pagan, either. The term "pagan" becomes pejorative
when used as an epithet, which is not done by practictioners, but
>by opposition. I see no loss of dignitas by using the word Pagan, and I'm
sorry to hear that you do.
>
>-- Flavia Claudia
>
>
>
>
>
>
-------------
Tom and Gail Gangale
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
<a href="http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm" target="_top" >http://www.jps.net/gangale/homepage.htm</a>
Mars Society California
The Martian Time Web Site
The Martian Ministry of Culture
Bunny Hill (and Catsville Too)
The National Primary System
World GenWeb Calabria
|
| Subject: |
Re: Polytheism vs. Paganism |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" tinnekke@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:10:56 PDT |
|
Salvete M. Martianus Gangalius et Omnes
>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
>Salvete, omnes.
>
>The fact that our public documents refer to "Roman Paganism" bothers me
a
>little. The term "pagan" is rather pejorative, synonymous with
"heathen".
>The term "Polytheism", however, doesn't carry the same baggage
Personally, I don't mind the term Pagan, but I've self-identified that
way over half my life, so I feel no stigma from it. Polytheism is more
scholarly as far as a term goes, and both are accurate in their modern
meanings. I suppose, being a Dianic, that I've developed a bit thicker
skin for some things since Dianics tend to make a conscious effort to
reclaim words that have been used negatively and perjoratively to remove
the sting felt when someone who doesn't understand calls us those
things. Whatever is decided is fine by me.
Just my two sesterces.
Valete,
Lucina Iunia Cypria
Get Your Private, Free Email at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com" target="_top" >http://www.hotmail.com</a>
|
| Subject: |
Re: Polytheism vs. Paganism |
| From: |
SDmtwi@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:13:45 EDT |
|
Salvete,
First, Hindus are pagans. They've been called that for as long as
there's been a distinction between Christian and pagan. They're also
heathens, for that matter.
That being said, the words pagan and heathen do have a wider
connotation than just "not Christian, Jewish, or Moslem." They also mean
"rude, ignorant, and irreligious." I doubt most of us would argue with the
first meaning. I would be surprised and disappointed if all of us didn't
have problems with the second. So, Gangalius has a point.
Personally, I prefer to be labelled a polytheist due to the (implied)
exclusionary nature of the words pagan and heathen. Most people see pagans
as anti-Christian. I am firmly of the belief that all Gods deserve
reverence, and that all beliefs deserve respect.
However, I don't feel strongly enough about the issue to call for our
various official documents to be revised. To those who will be receptive to
the idea, Roman Paganism carries the meaning as well as Roman Polytheism.
Those who can't abide paganism will be just as unforgiving towards polytheism.
Valete,
T. Labienus Fortunatus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Polytheism vs. Paganism |
| From: |
missmoon@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:31:34 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On 04/06/99 15:40:28 you wrote:
>
>From: Gail and Thomas Gangale <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123166234108158153184218249036129208" >gangale@--------</a>
>
>Salvete, omnes.
>
>If this is not a useful topic for discussion, then please disregard my
>previous message. It was not my purpose to offend anyone, and I sincerely
>and deeply apologize if I have.
>
>Vale.
>
>Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Are you kidding? This has turned out to be much more civilized than the last Big Discussion on this topic (before your time, and be glad of it!).
At least you're getting opinions instead of vicious flames.
-- Flavia Claudia
|
