Subject:	New England Exhibit!
From:	Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:43:22 -0700

Anyone within shouting distance of Boston will want to go see two great
exhibits at the Museum of Fine Arts: The Thracian Gold Show (ends in
May), and The Classical Influence On Costume Design(ends in June)

Pythia

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Subject:	Re: New England Exhibit!
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:33:50 -0700

Sounds great to me too. A Monday night in may is good as I think I will be away
during the April date you mentioned. I also have no idea how to read the Roman
calender!

Pythia

James Mathews wrote:

> RMerullo's idea has a lot of merit.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: New England Exhibit!
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:15:11 -0400
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
> Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>
> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Pythia et alii
>
> Does anyone want to try to go as a group? Audens, Cassii, Pythia? A Monday
> evening, like II Id April or XIII Kal Mai, would probably work best for me.
>
> >From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
> >
> >Anyone within shouting distance of Boston will want to go see two great
> >exhibits at the Museum of Fine Arts: The Thracian Gold Show (ends in
> >May), and The Classical Influence On Costume Design(ends in June)
> >
> >Pythia
> >
>
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Subject:	Re: New England Exhibit!
From:	Pythia kingan@--------
Date:	Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:02:23 -0700

April 12 works for me!


Pythia

RMerullo wrote:

> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Audens et Pythia et alii
>
> So much for my experiment in using the Roman calendar. I meant April 12 (II
> id April) & 19 (XIII Kal Mai), next Monday or the Monday thereafter.
>
> May is hard for me because I am expecting my daughter to be born sometime
> during the first half of the month. Maybe I should skip being present at
> the birth if it means a chance to meet our highly esteemed Augur :)? That
> would work out all right as long as I change my legal name and move far away
> within a couple of days....
>
> Anyway, between my overly long commute and the approaching birth, I cannot
> be too committed to any plans right now. Please, pick a day that is
> suitable for all of you, and I'll try to make it.
>
> Valete
>
> Gaius Marius Merullus
>
> >From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
> >
> >Sounds great to me too. A Monday night in may is good as I think I will be
> away
> >during the April date you mentioned. I also have no idea how to read the
> Roman
> >calender!
> >
> >Pythia
> >
> >James Mathews wrote:
> >
> >> RMerullo's idea has a lot of merit.
> >>
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Subject:	Re: Celebrate History
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius amcgrath@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:24:15 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
> Salve,
>
> It was my intention to attend the entire weekend of the Celebrate
> History. Unfortuantley I will be unable to attend. As some of you know
> about 3 weeks ago, my mother was in the Hospital due to Complications of
> Diabetes. Last nite she has been readmitted, for the same reasons, and
> is expected to have surgery sometime this weekend. Unfortunately her
> condition is very serious, and I am going to be there as much as
> possible.

Salve. I am sorry to hear this, Sulla. I will pray for her, for you and
for your family that all will go well.


Decius Iunius Palladius


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and how can these be signs of the end of the world?"

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Extant 331-363 A.D.

Subject:	Re: Celebrate History
From:	Steven Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 09 Apr 1999 07:34:35 -0700

Ave Sulla,

I am trully sorry to hear of your mother's further difficulties. My
maternal grandmother, of Blessed memory, was afflicted so.
In the honor of her strength, grace and faith, I shall ask my Holy Ones a
Blessing for your mother.

In Amicus et Fidelis - Venator

Subject:	Re: names and ancestors
From:	Steven Robinson amgunn@--------
Date:	Fri, 09 Apr 1999 07:40:16 -0700

Salvete Omnes!

A short note. My Roman name is a Latinized version of my Nordic name.
In re: Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator - Piparskegg UllRsson Veithmathur -
Pepperbeard Uller's Son the Hunter
Giving me a Roman identity, which pays heed to my personal religion and
cultural heritage.

Valete - Venator

Subject:	Re: New England Exhibit!
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:54:46 EDT

In a message dated 4/9/99 1:54:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< Remember Dex you are taken with Crys...LOL... :) >>

It's a marriage of convenience! I need the tax right off! : )

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Celebrate History
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:58:52 EDT

Sulla...I'm sending you, your mom, and family love and light.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: New England Exhibit!
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:22:06 -0400

Salvete Pythia et alii



>From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
>
>April 12 works for me!
>
>


In light of Audens' and Dexippus' difficulties with next week, how about
Monday April 19?

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

>
>> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>>
>> Salvete Audens et Pythia et alii
>>
>> So much for my experiment in using the Roman calendar. I meant April 12
(II
>> id April) & 19 (XIII Kal Mai), next Monday or the Monday thereafter.
>>

>>
>> Valete
>>
>> Gaius Marius Merullus

From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------br>
I am presently free on the following dates in April 13, 19, 20, 22, 23,
26, 27, 28.

In May, I am free; 3, 4,10,11,13,17,18, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and
31..

Marcus Minucius Audens

From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;

In a message dated 4/8/99 4:10:21 PM EST, <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> writes:

<< Maybe I should skip being present at
the birth if it means a chance to meet our highly esteemed Augur :)? >>

Wow! I'm flattered! Gonna marry me too? : )

When are the dates for this exhibit? If it's next week, I can't do it.
Boston is a 5 hour drive for me.

--Dexippus
>>
>> >From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
>> >
>> >Sounds great to me too. A Monday night in may is good as I think I will
be
>> away
>> >during the April date you mentioned. I also have no idea how to read the
>> Roman
>> >calender!
>> >
>> >Pythia
>> >

Subject:	Illness
From:	jmath669642reng@--------)
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT)

Ave Sulla;

My best wishes and prayers to both you and your mother in this time of
need. My prayers will ask for the strength and faith that you will both
weather this unfortunate experience, and again share joy together.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	About the proposal for Comitia Populi Tributa
From:	"RMerullo" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:13:24 -0400

Salvete Avidi Tulli et alii

The proposal about which I'm writing has been posted to the message board at

<a href="http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/j/17263" target="_top" >http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/j/17263</a>

First, thanks to Avidius Tullius for crafting this proposal.

Second, I echo Fimbria's request to have the full text if possible: it is
cut off on the message board.

Third, how does the proposal fit into Article IV of the Constitution? I
assume, but cannot be sure, that the proposed comitia is meant to serve the
functions described in Article IV paragraph I. Can you confirm or deny my
assumption Avidi Tulli?

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Illness
From:	PTh0815@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:26:38 EDT

Salve Sulla ,

I am so sorry to hear about your mother. Be asured that my prayers are with
you and your family. You`ll see everythings going to be fine again soon. I
speak with some experience here, for my dear mother was a diabetic and I have
diabetes since last december, but always remember that the gods never throw a
fate upon us which we cannot cope with.


Vale

L.Caec. Metellus Scaevola

Subject:	Re: Sulla's mom
From:	missmoon@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:47:19 -0500 (CDT)

On 04/08/99 23:07:48 you wrote:
>
>From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>Salve,
>
>It was my intention to attend the entire weekend of the Celebrate
>History. Unfortuantley I will be unable to attend. As some of you know
>about 3 weeks ago, my mother was in the Hospital due to Complications of
>Diabetes.

This is terrible, Sulla. And just when it looked like she was getting better.
Take care of your Mom, and yourself too.

-- Flavia Claudia

Subject:	Sulla's Mom
From:	Gail and Thomas Gangale gangale@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:54:10 -0700 (PDT)

Salve,

Sulla,
All of our hearts here at Bunny Hill (and there are many when you count the
critters) go out to you and your family. I know it is an incredible
emotional and exhausting time for you and your family. I hope it is a
little comfort to know that so many people are sending prayers and good
thoughts to your Mom. It has always been hard for me to just sit and wait in
a hospital. I always wanted to do something that would fix an illness
instead of looking at old magazines and drinking too much really bad coffee.

I was so looking forward to meeting you this weekend but I guess we will
have to try to get together at another time. If there is anything that
Marcus and I can do or you just want to chat let me know.

Hey, you have finally made me come out of the "no posting" closet in Nova
Roma.

Gaia
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Subject:	Re: New England Exhibit!
From:	MaNPaRoman@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:18:20 EDT

In a message dated 99-04-09 09:55:49 EDT, you write:

> << Remember Dex you are taken with Crys...LOL... :) >>
>
> It's a marriage of convenience! I need the tax right off! : )
>
> --Dexippus


BOO BOO HOO!!!! I knew he only wanted me for my tax deduations!!!
MEN!!!!!!!!!

Subject:	Re: New England Exhibit!
From:	Dexippus@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:08:44 EDT

In a message dated 4/9/99 2:20:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=174166082206158174112154175101114253071048139" >M--------Rom--------...</--------; writes:

<< BOO BOO HOO!!!! I knew he only wanted me for my tax deduations!!! >>

And your wardrobe, doll! You can never have too many hats, gloves, and
shoes! : )

--Dexippus
The Flaming Queen of the Capitoline Hill

Subject:	The proposal for the Comitia Populi Tributa
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:07:37 -0700 (PDT)

Salvere iubeo Novae Romae!
Here is an e-mail copy of my proposal for the
Comitia Populi Tributa. I guess there was trouble
with the file I sent earlier, I hope this version is
better. This copy first went to the Concilium Plebis
and now it goes to the entire population of Nova Roma
for your scrutiny. think it is high time that Nova
Roma form an assembly that incorporates all its
citizens. Hopefully it will allow more people to
realize their ideas within Nova Roma.
This assembly is outlined in the constitution in
article IV. It is not designed to replace the other
assemblies but is rather designed to serve as the main
popular assembly of Nova Roma. Some things about this
assembly are a bit generalized, I hope there is some
debate over getting specific. As is the case the
Senate will have to make the final decision in some
matters contained in here. In the next few weeks I
plan to introduce a set of proposals focusing on the
popular assemblies. Once again I'll open the floor to
any and all for their ideas and observations,
afterall, we are all Nova Romans. Here is the
proposal:

The Proposed Lex for the formation of the Comitia
Populi Tributa

I. In keeping with the constitution of Nova Roma,
which outlines the Comitia Populi Tributa, I now
submit these preliminary guidelines regarding the
structure, the voting and the procedures of the
Comitia Populi Tributa - the Assembly of the Tribes in
Nova Roma. Fortuna faveat nobis - May Fortune favor
us.
I believe that the Comitia Populi Tributa,
employing both Patrician and Plebeian Tribes could
prove useful to Nova Roma and easier to implement than
the Comitia Centuriata, which is somewhat cumbersome.
Assigning tribes, voting and operational procedures
are far more simplistic in these assemblies. The
Romans in the Republic found this assembly to be of
better use to them than the Comitia Centuriata and I
too believe that the Assembly of Tribes can be put to
good use now in Nova Roma.
Historically, the assembly of the Comitia
Populi (also named Comitia Populi Tributa) assumed the
duties of the major popular assembly at the expense of
the military assembly - Comitia Centuriata. This
assembly had a more egalitarian voting structure and
the added advantage of needing less ceremony allowed
more room for deliberation in some respects. The
Comitia Populi was the assembly of the entire
population based upon their location. This Comitia
Populi may have originally been a Patrician assembly
(speculation comes due to Latin writing formulae),
mirroring the Concilium Plebis of the Plebeian Order
These two assemblies elected the various magistrates,
voted on measures crafted in the Senate or sponsored
by the magistrates. They also heard appeals involving
non-capital offenses, served as a venue where citizens
could address their elected officials and before the
assembled citizens, the Priests, Pontiffs and Augurs
made pronouncements. In the middle and late Republic,
these two assemblies likely caucused together to vote
on measures that concerned the Republic as a whole.

II. Tribes. The tribe, not the individual, was the
principal voting unit in several assemblies of the
Republic. Tribe in the Roman sense has nothing to do
with ethnicity. It might be helpful to think of the
tribes in the Roman political system as the wards or
boroughs into which some large cities are divided. I
believe the number of tribes varied but eventually
topped out around 35 in the last centuries BC.. Being
only a fraction of Rome’s population, Nova Roma needs
far less than 35 tribes. To balance the Patrician and
the Plebeian Orders, three tribes for each Order are
needed. These shall be based roughly upon locality.
The locality of the familial leader shall be used to
determine the tribe his or her gens belongs to. This
chart illustrates the system I am outlining:

Patrician Tribes Plebeian Tribes
East- 10 gentes East- 28 gentes
Central- 10 gentes Central-28 gentes
West- 10 gentes West- 28 gentes

Note that these divisions are arbitrary ones, to
facilitate a balance in the tribes, some gentes
located relatively ‘East’ may need to be registered as
‘Central’ Or ‘West.’ As this is an online community,
it shouldn’t matter that much. On a similar note, if
a familial leader should change their locale, their
tribal affiliation may not necessarily change. In the
event that familial leadership changes, however, the
gens may be required to change their tribe. Adoptions
and adrogations will change the tribal affiliation of
those involved. Transitions between the two Orders
also will result in a change in tribe. New tribes may
only be added in pairs, 1 Patrician and 1 Plebeian, to
continue the balance between the Orders. It will
likely be the duty of the Censors to assign and update
the assignments to the tribes.

III. Voting. Voting in the Comitia Populi Tributa
followed the simple majority of the assembled tribes.
Each tribe voted and the majority of each tribe was
registered as the vote of that particular tribe. Thus
if a tribe in question had 100 members and say, 74
voted in favor of a proposal the tribe’s vote would be
registered as affirmative. This voting system appears
complex to many, however it is still used today as the
method the United States uses to elect its President.

Here is an example of a formal vote in the
assembled
Comitia Populi Tributa on some measure. The ‘Y’
represents votes in favor and the ‘N’ represents votes
against:

Patrician Tribes Votes in Tribe Vote of
Tribe
East- 26Y and 12N Y
Central 15Y and 19N N
West 20Y and 7N Y
Plebeian Tribes
East 30Y and 9N Y
Central 18Y and 13N Y
West 11Y and 17N N

Here the assembly votes 4 tribes ‘Y’ and 2 tribes ‘N’
on this measure, thus it would pass the Comitia.
There are many ways to proceed in the event of a tied
vote. Simple majority of the individuals who voted
may be used. More traditionally, the vote could be
taken again or the measure might be taken to another
assembly for consideration.
On certain occasions, the Patrician and
Plebeian Orders would caucus separately. This is how
they elected certain officials or took informal votes
which registered opinion or recommend action on
certain
matters facing the Republic. Here is a diagram of
what the assembled Comitia might look like and what
it’s separate groups are responsible for:

Comitia Populi Tributa
3 Patrician Tribes 3 Plebeian Tribes
elects Curule Aediles elects Plebeian Tribunes
elects Plebeian Aediles

Together these bodies elect:
Consuls
PraetorUrbanus
Quaestor
Together these bodies vote on measures
presented to them by a Consul, Praetor or
Tribune of the People
Separately, these units may vote to recommend

IV Procedures. Because this assembly is not that
big on ceremony, the procedures that it follows are
rather simple. The assembly may be summoned to order
by a magistrate with imperium, a Consul or a Praetor
Urbanus. Tribunes of the People, Quaestors and
Aediles may summon the Comitia with the permission of
the Consul or Praetor Urbanus. The Patrician tribes
may be summoned and addressed by any magistrate with
Imperium and the Plebeian tribes may be summoned and
addressed by a Tribune of the People or a magistrate
designated by a Tribune of the People. Measures for
consideration may be brought to the assembly floor
through a Tribune of the People, a Consul or a Praetor
Urbanus. Other magistrates may do so with
designation. Tribes and individuals may bring
measures to the assembly with the sponsorship of a
Consul, Praetor Urbanus or Tribune of the People.
Tribes may choose to elect a speaker from their
membership to act as a liaison for the tribe in
assembly matters and to facilitate communication
between the members of the tribe.
The Comitia Populi Tributa when summoned by a
magistrate with imperium will be presented with a
measure and asked to vote on it. The magistrate shall
present a copy of the measure to be voted on to each
tribe for its members to read and consider. The
magistrate shall set a time limit in which to vote, as
this is an online community perhaps a week or 10 days
are needed. A preselected official will keep the
votes and count them. At the end of the time limit on
voting the results will be announced. It is my hope
that a measure passed in the Comitia Populi Tributa
will be regarded as binding to all. The Senate may
want to put their final stamp on it before it is
official though, they must decide that part.



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Avidius Tullius Callidus
Paterfamilias, gens Tullia
Tribune of the People

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Subject:	Online
From:	Masterofhistory masterofhistory@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:31:58 -0700 (PDT)

Salvete omnes!

I'll make an effort to be online Saturday night
(around 8:00 CDT) April 10th. and again on Sunday
April 11th. To answer any questions or concerns you
may have regarding the proposal for a popular
assembly.


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Subject:	Re: New England Exhibit!
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" rmerullo@--------
Date:	Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:01:43 -0400

Salvete Pythia et Audens et Dexippe et alii

Oh well, back to the drawing board. Audens, Dexippe, what date is good for
you? There's a slim chance that I could make it, and the chance gets
slimmer the closer we get to May.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus



:From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
:
:Sorry, I will be away on that date, but if it works for everyone else..have
fun!!
:
:Pythia
:
:RMerullo wrote:
:
:> From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
:>
:> Salvete Pythia et alii
:>
:> >From: Pythia <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200176234108158116015132190036129" >kingan@--------</a>
:> >
:> >April 12 works for me!
:> >
:> >
:>
:> In light of Audens' and Dexippus' difficulties with next week, how about
:> Monday April 19?
:>
:> Valete
:>
:> Gaius Marius Merullus
:>